MY EXPERT OPINION 179: VAN LATHAN TALKS LOSING EVERYTHING, TMZ, SLAVERY & HIPHOP LEGENDS
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#MathHoffa - Hudba
I hear you Hoffa and I understand 100%. And to take it a step further...You're right!
Some people lead, some get by, some sink. History of all shows this, for all people.
🐶💔
you cannot say you chose to be a slave if you didn’t rebel, things in life are not just black and white. They were also not in the position we are in today. They couldn’t read they had no access to information, they were literally ONLY taught to be slaves, and never knew of a life outside of it. Those that did run away were taught that there was a life other than slavery. You cannot choose when you are unaware that there are options to choose from.
Also if you go by the black and white logic of everything is a choice, then you 100% also believe that a child being r**** is a choice because they didn’t say no.
@@123reletive123 1000%...
Street knowledge does not always apply in life...
How simple minded are toy that you pin 1 of thw only comments that support you.
Just ignore ALL the others saying how ignorant and unable you are to mature amd suck up knowledge with an unbiased mindset!!!!
@@123reletive123 Life indeed, is not binary. However, basic instinct is not compatible with slavery. This phrase that Kanye said, probably for this exact reason, is provoking. It isn't that anyone chose to be a slave, it's that once they found themselves in that position, they either chose to make the most of it, or reject it. A baby or child may not be capable of voicing their issue, but basic science has proven that even the youngest baby has an inherent sense of what is fair and what is not, what they like and do not. That example is not even remotely similar and completely ill thought out.
Someone had to be the first to rebel. Someone had to be the first to teach themselves how to read against the wishes of their oppressor. Those that chose were not guaranteed/recorded to be in a more favorable position either. Same for many other historical figures of note. Not even to mention what they had to face once they made that choice, which is almost always guaranteed to be worse than if they had not. Which is why those that DID not, chose note to. Someone always has to choose differently to make change. Period. It isn't a slight against those who didn't choose, but to discount or equivalate the two is just preposterous. That those who chose did, is what makes them exceptional and worth note. They literally set aside/transcended their human instincts of self preservation and fear of death/repercussions to bring long term change to an untenable existential state. That is what drives true/long lasting progress that actually affects future generations, not just temporary or incremental change that may or may not benefit direct lineage.
Van’s patients with Math is legendary
*Patience
I didn’t realize Math was such a bozo and actually thinks what he’s spitting is right.
I thought it was the only one who noticed....nigga was doin to much
Epic level of patience
True. Math isn't usually like this but it was completely blatant watching this episode. I don't think this was Math's intention and perhaps he just got excited and wanted to get his points out but it did seem disrespectful to Van Lathan.
Van is punching below his weight class talking to Math. I felt secondhand embarrassment for Math. They not on the same level. Thanks for trying Van.
#Facts
Hes not ,Math can have his own opinion...
@@johnnieqdavisjr.4045you forgot to add foolish in front of opinion.......
@@johnnieqdavisjr.4045but what is that opinion Math never made a coherent argument... All he did was yell the whole time and leaves out the fact that even if a slave was like nah son they would do it to em anyway so where is the choice? It's an assinine argument. At least presented by Math
@@johnnieqdavisjr.4045anybody can have an opinion. But an opinion based on a lack of knowledge makes your opinion ignorant. So what do you do when you lack any credible knowledge about a particular topic? You shut up and listen… That’s what Math should’ve did.
I always knew Math was ignorant, but this conversation here really solidifies it. He deadass said his ancestors are from England - I would've signed off right then. We need patient intellects like Van to break down this kind of mental ineptitude and colonialized belief systems that keep us divided.
Dawg he sed and my roots come from Ireland after dat from his forefathers 😩😂 dis nigga yooo
What do you expect from a dude that made his career off of battle rapping.....do you honestly believe math not to be ignorant
Math is very ignorant in this episode. He literally ignore facts and approach the discussion without lateral thinking and context - arrogance won't change the fact that your decendants of slavery. I'm an African born and raised in Britain and I could tell Van had points aligning with everyone in the room other than Math.
He’s ignorant most of the time… I’m literally here just for Van. It’s otherwise hard to stomach… AND the sound is disgustingly amateur.
@@lotus550 Same lol. I have no clue who this dude Math is and I don't plan on trying to figure out who he is afterwards lol
You are so right. Math is strong and wrong throughout this conversation. Very hard to watch.
all of you guys are the problem. too uppity. you throw away your own people over opinions and think you're too intelligent. but none of ya'll are doing anything with your intelligence to stop the murders
Insightful comment. I'm British of Jamaican heritage. I fully appreciate you're point of view.
Black people and our diaspora throughout the world are so varied.
The black communities in Europe probably have more influence and success now than we ever have had so far. My Grandparents and parents,RIP to all of them now, would have been astonished at what has happened since say 2001. First Black President. First Asian British Prime minister etc.
I know Math has said he's been to the UK 🇬🇧 and had a great time here.
Loved the fans, people. Perhaps he can travel here again soon.
Interact with the locals even more.
Sometimes I feel more time abroad can change one's perspective.
I can listen to Van speak for ever. This man is so smart and wise beyond his years. I am in love with his intelligence.
Math you gotta let my boy land. 😂 Van was speaking some real shit. I still learned some valuable information, I just wanted to hear more.
Intelligent man Van. I appreciate his knowledge and wisdom able to bring forth an understanding. 💪🏿
Math doesn’t full comprehend the full scope of the historical and social context of slavery nor is his ego tripe enough to understand Van’s valid points.
Maybe Harriet didn’t either… cuz she chose. Period
@@Mathhoffa I rocks wit u Math but off on this one...If u do some real deep research, Harriet Tubman could have been a government created character...that's why Van said she never said that so called quote...
@@lajikaln9ne933 which was a lie.
@@Mathhoffa confirmed by who?
@@Mathhoffa Harriet did not say that quote! Simple research will show you she didnt say that. The issue is you would rather believe lies to try to prove you are right than accept true facts.
Just realized that when Math is wrong and you're speaking truth, he interrupts and tries to correct himself in an argumentative way. Love the podcast and what you guys are doing for the culture 😄
Laughing and looking around, getting loud - Di&khead shit....And I like and respect Math.
This is a perfect interview of someone that knows and someone that thinks they know lol 😂. Education is a must. The problem in the black community is people don’t know how to shut up and listen and admit when their wrong. The pride and ego of black people keeps them from elevating and learning. Personally I refuse to waste my time explaining it to a know it all. Salute 🫡 to VAN 💪💯.
Pride n ego exist in all people. Stop saying that, he’s just miseducated and stuck in his ways. He may not let his guest speak, understandably annoying, but all points still get across
Depends..on what you're being educated!!!
trail & error...works just as well!!!
@@khamikhoward5962but..there are a lot
of hard headed know it all" MF's out here
I'll tell u what'!!!
@@descolabandz8855 yeah that’s true, just want people to stay saying only the black community is full of negative pride n ego
Is it your Community?
Math wasn't ready for any of this interview that was outside of TMZ and hip-hop, VAN ran a master class on Black society in America.
hats off for referencing the Mystic Era of Black history in America
Smh why is it so hard to believe I rather be like the ones who rebelled than be a “surviving slave?” What part of that suggest ignorance? Ignorance of fear or being terrified? What part of what I’m saying suggest ignorance? Cuz you rather be a survivor than fight for freedom?
@@Mathhoffa so my only question is would you 100% fight for your freedom knowing you were at a major disadvantage as well as knowing the consequences of you losing could lead to everyone in your family being tortured or killed? That's the "Choice?!?!"......
What math is saying through his beliefs is that he rather die and the people around him just because he playing checkers instead of chess 🤔
To be fair... His name is Math Hoffa...not History Hoffa.... His ignorance is warranted
@@Mathhoffa you and Van are honestly agreeing but he's incorporating you points to a bigger picture though. It is rebelling but it's also reading, learning and doing everything the oppressors didn't want us to do which was live and be great and especially independent. You are on the same side it's just there's a bigger agenda.
The best episode by far because Van is speaking real knowledge about our people if u don’t know what u are talking about just be quiet sometimes and listen
noticing mecca listen to a like minded individual in silence is golden..refreshing in today's media
Math knew he was about to talk himself into Van’s point when he brought up the black panthers. He shifted immediately.
Math doesn't understand that he is the descendent of slaves who managed to survive, since the ones who openly fought back were killed or tortured. Surviving IS rebellion.
No it is not.
@@Mathhoffa Emulating Nat Turner isn't the lesson. It's not becoming the next Nat Turner is the goal. Success is measured by the sustainability of the effort. You should seek to not repeat failed attempts.
@@Mathhoffa then how the fuck did you get here then? Lmfao
@@Mathhoffa Black freedmen are the ONLY ethnic group in the US that never fled their homeland and fought for their freedom and liberties that all other groups take advantage of today. You can’t say that about Jamaicans, Haitians,Asians, Europeans, Africans, nobody else, it’s only the black Americans you claim were too weak to fight for their independence
Slim really boutta die on this hill instead of reading some books
I agree with Van. Math is being willfully ignorant for the sake of 2023 sensibilities. He isn't necessarily educated on the slave thing.
How can you say that if we praise the ones who made a choice to rebel?
@@Mathhoffabut those same ones won't back you up in your statement and ideology
@@Mathhoffa brother you were trying to make a poignant point for us in 2023. Van, who has obviously studied the period, was trying to make a more nuanced point. You weren't trying to hear him. It was annoying but I was cool because I fuck with you. And I think you were drunk lol
@@humble_haplo He is continuing to try to make his points in the comments. Don't blame it on the alcohol
@@Mathhoffa typical battle rapper mentality
Math should educate himself on certain topics before trying to debate with a knowledgeable person
knowledgeable people aren't in the hoods preventing homicides, they're on youtube putting down their own kind for being "Wrong". lol.
Kudos to Van for not becoming very condescending after realizing how dumb and remedial Math is. You have a grown man entering a debate without having read a single book, and lacking critical thinking, the second hand embarrassment was so excruciating.
Lmao, you're too intelligent for your own good. What are you personally doing to stop our systemic genocide, gangbanging issues, and our high homicide rate? What are you doing to influence a poor black youth with drug-addicted parents to be all they can be so they can grow up to use big words like you? Nothing. You're on youtube giving props to a clown for using flowerly language. Van is getting props for how he talks, Math is in the streets watching dead bodies before he films his podcast. He's touching the people, showing them they can go from crime to glory. Ya'll "intelligent" folks are on youtube criticizing your own people. You're just as deadly to our community as the gangsters.
Unfortunately Math is not on an abandon island all by himself. Too many of our people think, reason, and rationalize like him😢
Math didn't want to answer those hard questions. Math always wanna be right
💯💯🤦🏾♂️
And that his major problem
Yall really jus don’t understand the thought process of somebody that stands for something no matter what. Its coo tho everybody not built the same💪🏽
@samc9495 If prison is modern day slavery, what Math who was a thug & drug dealer?
@@aaronbrown944 what’s your problem ? Or do you know math Hoffa more than you know yourself ?
Van keep pushing that knowledge bro whoever don’t wanna hear let them be a fool for the rest of their lives but u keep preaching about our people bro we need a Van Lathan show fr
Armchair quarterbacking SLAVERY is insane
Tru cause his crew was shut down bowing heads n all. Niggaz wanna keep they job😂
If Dr. Umar came on Math's podcast, there's no way in hell Math is gonna interrupt Dr. Umar on slavery. That's definitely a show I would watch intensely and attentively.
Loudly over talking someone doesn’t make you right.
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
Which is why Van should shut up.
Self-hate doesn't make you look cool on youtube. Van attracts an intelligent crowd of people to the comment section, and I bet none of them use that intellect to change things in our community. Ya'll abandoned the hood and got the nerver to criticize it.
Van is dropping gems regarding the topic of success doesn’t only happen under the shade of a select few colors within the black community. The field of view needs to expand beyond just being a rapper, CZcamsr, etc. There are black people in the tech industry damn near making a quarter mil and living a very quiet life.
Im 52 mins in and all i can say is that i feel bad for Van having to try to explain very simple things to these slow men
Unfortunately I'm always in this very situation
If your cup is full,
there is no more room for knowledge.
Math expand and learn from all.
Strong opinions are great just be willing to keep learning.
In my best Kendrick Lamar voice - Be Humble 💛 🙏
I love Van. I could hear him speak all day!!
what about actions? speaking isn't going to stop the self-genocide. that's the problem with you uppity folks, you love to talk, but don't do anything but "Analyze" things. intelligence isn't going to fix things.
Van is a very Sharp and intelligent dude.....Might be Wise for Math to listen and learn sometimes, or this type of guest might not wanna come on his show....
Facts, I had no clue who he was before this podcast but he was dropping a lot of jewels.
Exactly! Math made a complete fool of his self.
@@Miguelperry411Yep, Van called it too earlier in the episode. He said he was gonna look crazy when this aired
Van is a godsend
Math got on all of my nerves in this episode..EVERYTHING VAN SAID WAS 100% ON POINT AND 100% TRUE..OUR ANCESTORS ARE THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THE LITTLE FREEDOMS WE HAVE TODAY..MATH WAS A WHOLE CRINGE…
Van Lathan, thank you for your informed discourse. We should all aspire to be this prepared for a debate.
it'd be better to not debate, and to use all that intelligence to actually fix our issues. van isn't doing that. he's on youtube talking down on his people's handicaps, but he's not doing anything in real life to fix those problems with his influence/celebrity. how's that admirable? you're saying thank you to a man who spends all his energy and income with non-black people. you're thanking a man who does absolutely nothing to create another Van. you're thanking a man who abandoned the youth in his community. lol. and you guys think you're so right too, that's the funny part
@@sabot4ge Drink some water man. Relax. I know lil about Van, I'll admit that. If what you're saying about him is true then I'm on your side. It is definitely better to be in there helping than out here...but at least he's helping the thought process of us out here. Thank you.
My ancestors once said : Knowledge precedes Statements & Actions ✊🏽
Anecdotal is the perfect word to use with math on this one
Been waiting on this whole interview and its 3hrs.. After seeing van killing it in the clips i can only imagine...
I thought the point that Van stated about slavery very eloquently came across VERY well, but Math refused to hear it. I get debating/discussing it, but Math is being extremely bullish and very condescending to everyone who came before us. I love having different types of guests on bc it creates great conversations and talking points.
🤔 I'm not even going to try to figure out why Math was being an extreme antagonist to Van. It feels like Math was going at Van like he was being paid to do so.😮
Unemployment check went from $ 650 a week to $ 75 a week , when being honest goes wrong smh. LoL
I can imagine 200 years from now people saying that injustices imposed against black people (racial profiling, police brutality including the killings) and us black people going through it over and over again is a choice. They may look back and be like what were y’all doing, why weren’t you doing anything?
Facts
You time traveling with this comment bro that's crazy u right
Shout out to Champ for trying to hold his man down when he sees he's taking a L 😂😂😂
Van Lathan Part 2 *FEATURING BIGGA* make it happen Hoffa!
Damn math I'm very disappointed on your stance on this Van was tryna educate you and you chose ignorance
Educate me on being docile? That’s not me
@MATH HOFFA it's ignorant for you to say that because you can't even begin to imagine being born a slave and the mental and physical abuse being endured from birth to death. Educate yourself on the atrocities committed against us man
@@cothegr8 yes, it's really sad. I usually agree with Math never thought I'd disagree with him about SLAVERY of all things. Kinda look at him different.
This was not this show best interview, you have to let Van make his point and then counter.
Van killed it loved this conversation...
One of the most important characteristics of wisdom is listening. Math, you have to learn how to genuinely listen. Respectfully.
Van navigated through every wall Math put up perfectly.
Math we support your show bro but you’re coming with different confrontational hosting energy towards extremely important topics. I challenge you to read The Slave Narratives as well as Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome. Keep grinding and doing your thing King. Salute 👑
Maths Slavery take and not knowing his ancestors is CRAZY! This man really showed how ignorant his level of thinking is. Mad respect for Van he gave em that light history lesson but he really wanted to give ‘em that ol grandpa beating
Emotion vs factual is hard to watch in debate form
Math is thinking only one way, Van didn't get to finish his thought, but when teaching someone to read or knowing how to read could lead to your death, than that act (of learning or reading) is revolutionary. Van is right, it's a spectrum, no different than people of today. Some people are going to accept the situation and do nothing, some are gonna go from 0-100 and go all out, but most are in the middle, doing small, but significant things that may not seem revolutionary on its face, but in context of the time and the consequences, were extremely revolutionary. The fact that Math doesn't know if he is a descendant of slavery is enough for him to be quiet dare I say, get the vitriol some are rightfully giving him.
Very insightful. Well said and great comment.
Math always comes from the angle of the reformed robber. And carries that over into most conversations
Most of us weren't criminals math
Love convos like this. 💯
Math was really disappointing during this exchange....he overtalked and it's disturbing he doesn’t truly listen to have a discussion amd share his point of view. He's almost antagonizing for no reason!!
Took me about 58 mins to realize he way to smart for this show I hope Mecca start debating soon
Math always cuts Mecca off when he speaks
@@369pendulum he gonna see that a lot in these comments Hoff didn’t like him it showed but Van smart as shit didn’t know brother was that educated
Praying for million subscribers 🙏 all love. Great interview
Math was ducking that Black Panther question like a bullet
Maths opinion falls in line with lots of BLACK FOLKS that are suddenly ASHAMED of slavery and have chosen to package it in a more palatable way for their ego. SLAVERY was a survive, thrive or die scenario and ALL ASPECTS were needed and necessary and if you can’t respect it you might not be worthy of respect. ✊🏽 Many roads to freedom.
Math not understanding the cruelty of the situation during those times we only speculate from what was told and found the atrocities that where done to our ancestors and people want to victim shame them when they're put in that position fight or flight may kick in some of the strongest people in the world been proving to be the weakest.....
Very good show Math. Van def cooked this episode & major shout out to the dialogue. I think the lesson to take from this is that you have to have proper context & comprehension we you are trying to explain your points. Dope ass show though
I think the lesson is black people are divided. The intelligent black people are in the comments calling Van a superhero and the other "wrong" and "stupid". That's slavery. We're divided. Once the intelligent folks and working-class folks unite, we can fix our issues. But that heir of supremacy will hurt us just like being ignorant will.
Van is a real one. Mecca looking like....Math! Let the brutha speak!
This is a testament to the difference of thinking of ppl that grew up in NYC (which is the rare place on the earth) and there lack of understanding of the south and the rest of America. I’ve live both places and love NYC with all my heart but sometimes talking to New Yorker don’t understand the structural constraints of places outside of NYC.
The way Van explained slavery made me really understand where he was coming from this go around.
Damn Math getting 30'd in the comment section 😂
38:22 I lost it when he said they’re from England 😭😭😭😭
Our own Formal Gala would be 🔥 In the past we had Lou Rawls Parade of Stars to provide Scholarships to HBCU'S & Tom Joyner's Party w a Purpose Annual Cruise. There's room for all to contribute❤
So much in this interview, we need more conversations like this with a little smarter people apart of the discussion.
Good Job Van🤝 Excellent Point of view 🤝
Great Convo!
Excellent!!! Very informative conversation, I truly learned alot. Van Latham is a very intelligent Dude!!!
GREAT INTERVIEW 💯💯💯💯
first time here because I follow Van lathan... This host Math has no bandwidth for such black awareness conversations he passionately engages in.
Math was outclassed when Van sat down!
Math and Crew are killing the game!!!! Thank you guys so much for the great content and interviews you provide for the culture!!!! Salute KINGS!!!!!
I have a lot respect for Van after this interview
Great Episode Math Hoffa & Da Crewmen ,👏🏻💪🔥🔥🔥
i peep Meeca was really into what Van was saying but Math kept over talking Van and Mecca didn't look pleased
Love what y’all doin keep it up
I became a member again just for this episode 😂
I got Love for Math but you need to update your knowledge on Slavery and this is coming from a guy from VA were it all started. Would love for you to have this discussion again. There are a lot books on “slaves who didn’t have an issue with slavery” Much needed discussion in the future and salute to your podcast!
A WISE MAN ONCE SAID NOTHING AT ALL
Down the line hoffa need to take all the episodes and put together one big ass compilation of all the “pause”moments. Would be hilarious
JBP is independent and has been since Joe turned down Spotify they one of the highest-ranked podcast as well. People try to take jabs at Joe but I remember a time no one wanted a podcast especially rappers who felt like they still have a rap career and no one was doing it at the time but Combat Jack (rip) Joe Budden and then Taxstone. Shout to Math and the team the rise has been amazing to watch especially after people tried to make you fall.
Math's whole demeanor on this is horrific. England? I thought he was joking. He wasn't. I also couldn't believe none of his co-hosts or challenged him. The culture just lost so much respect for this show.
I loved this interview definitely top 5
Van is so intelligent. Some people choose not to educate themselves. Some people choose to think poorly of Black Americans no matter the facts. 🤦🏾♀️
Math handles discussions like a chick somethimes; he won’t shut up long enough to digest what’s being said to him.
What’s to digest?
@@Mathhoffa the problem is that just like a chick, you listen to speak, rather than understanding 😂 … so you don’t even know
@@Mathhoffa The info the guest is explaining to you. It appears that you dismiss an opposing view point before actually considering if it makes sense or not.
@@mefilmmaking 😂😂😂
This show will be my favorite for a long time coming! Been watching for sbout 2 years and way less than that for the membership but since finding this show…. Jewels and jewels have fallen from the skies continuously! Keep up the great work MEO!!! All love to you kings!(pause)
van floored math and math got emotional and refused to listen. you can champion your heroes without discrediting the people that survived those circumstances for years. living through hell and dying in an attempt to escape takes the same heart sometimes. math is speaking in terms of today's perspective of not being taken advantage of.. two totally different points
GREAT EPISODE!
Appreciate the discussions and Math opening with his honest opinions that fostered such progressive talks about slavery and the black experience.
The dialogue was excellent.
This is a delicately crafted symposium on the American black man who values in-depth conversation vs the American black man who values impulsive clout.
Van handling objection after objection gracefully, and Math raising the objections in grown men’s hearts. Great episode.
The Like button has been smashed!!
Math & the young man in the blue contradicted themselves. They said it was a choice to get cuffed and not fight the police when they police came. In the same breath you said he was a choice and was fine w this. But mad and giving their opinion on slaves… the ones who literally have no where to go, no language, no weapons. Harriett Tubman didn’t go for freedom at 5, 10. She had to wait and see when she could, there were hundreds of slaves before her. Like stop dogging our ancestors
Thank you. You cannot think or choose your way of a system. Whatever choice you make is determined by what you're given. He seemed to understand that for drug dealers but not for slaves who had even less to work with.
Peace Math, the screen time shit got me filling out these job applications a little more. Grind mode.
🍻 Good job Tay 👑
Bet if Math was in Harriett's position he would want ALL the credit
Happy bornday my brother 🙏🏾💯
Respect to Van for this one ✊🏿