PBM Spread Pricing for Generic Prescriptions Explained

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  • čas pƙidĂĄn 31. 07. 2024
  • PBM Spread Pricing Explained:
    AWP = Average Wholesale Price
    AWP - 'Discount' = What Plan Pays PBM for the Prescription
    MAC = Maximum Allowable Cost = What the PBM Pays the Pharmacy
    What the Plan Pays PBM for Drug - MAC = 'Spread Price' Fee That PBM Keeps
    NADAC = National Average Drug Acquisition Cost = What the Pharmacy Pays to Buy the Drug
    MAC - NADAC = Fee that Pharmacy Keeps
    Example: Amlodipine (common generic blood pressure medication)
    AWP = $2.38 AWP - 80% = $0.48
    MAC = Proprietary (Unknown)
    NADAC = $0.019
    So the Plan Pays 48 Cents a Pill for a Drug that Costs 2 Cents a Pill!!
    Sources: www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1... www.46brooklyn.com/research/2...
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Komentáƙe • 14

  • @peterrao1
    @peterrao1 Pƙed 22 dny +1

    Thanks for the video! Brings to light the fact that these PBMs increase the cost of drugs in the US!

  • @supratikbhattacharya9185
    @supratikbhattacharya9185 Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci

    In this hypothetical example, the Pharmacy's acquisition cost is 1.9 cents. Then what can be the Wholesaler acquisition cost? And what is the percentage of profit of the wholesaler? And in that case what is the cost of goods (manufacturing cost of the pill) for the drug manufacturer? If the drug manufacturer's profit is so less, how would they pay the admin fees and rebates to the IDNs, GPOs and PBMs? Your numerical examples are good to understand the scenario you explained, but raised these questions to me. Appreciate if you can explain or point out where my understanding went wrong.

  • @winningvote
    @winningvote Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Great job. I have been studying pharmaceutical supply chain over the past few months and your video was very helpful.

    • @ahealthcarez
      @ahealthcarez  Pƙed 2 lety

      Super! Thank you for watching and for your feedback.

  • @24dballard24
    @24dballard24 Pƙed rokem +1

    Great video. I used to think that the patient’s script cost could vary by pharmacy because the PBM has different MACs with different pharmacies. But even if a PBMs has different MACs with different pharmacies, that wouldn’t be why the patients out of pocket spend could vary, right?
    I work in health insurance and am looking at the PBM addendum for one of health plans I work with. For any generic drugs, the plan pays pays 16.90% of AWP. If that is the agreed upon price paid by the plan, why could the patient’s coinsurance vary, assuming they go to an in-network pharmacy? I don’t see separate AWP discounted prices for each in-network pharmacy on here, and I think that would be needed.

    • @24dballard24
      @24dballard24 Pƙed rokem

      I see in the appendix that “discounts are based on the actually NDC-11 dispensed on the fill rate”. Does that mean the plan isn’t technically paying the discounted AWP price?

    • @ahealthcarez
      @ahealthcarez  Pƙed rokem +1

      Great question. There are different dispensing fees at different pharmacies that end up changing the total cost
 that difference is also reflected in the coinsurance.

  • @bobhea
    @bobhea Pƙed 3 lety +2

    A transparent PBM passes all negotiated ingredient costs and fees with the pharmacy to their client. If the NADAC price is two cents and the reimbursement or cost to the employer client of the PBM is $.48 per their agreement who is the real villain here? It isn’t as simple as the good Doc has explained here. Now if your talking about a PBM that has a “spread pricing model” those entities should be held more accountable...

    • @ahealthcarez
      @ahealthcarez  Pƙed 3 lety

      Thank you for watching and for the comment.

  • @hobsond.carroll5180
    @hobsond.carroll5180 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Dr. Bricker - thanks for putting this up and the great links. You have done an excellent job of showing us what "is" for this example (which is of course just a sample of how much of the system works). My question, as always, is the "why" of the starting information? How is it that the original AWP to NADAC is allowed to be what it is? Why shouldn't we have a sort of "value added" transparency at each level for every pill bottle label produced and slapped on the bottle (or box)? This would show that true starting point (which isn't actually the "true" cost of production of the Pharma company making the pill either) NADAC figure, and how each intermediary (Pharmacy, PBM) adds on to it to arrive at the final number, the difference at each level being compared or evaluated as the "value added" by that intermediary entity. Oh, and of course we have to get rebates factored into the whole thing as well. The basic question simply is, what good is the AWP (the full AWP) if the employer plan/insurer is paying, typically, only 20% of it? This is worse than Medicare inpatient where the national ratio (excluding Maryland, of course) of Billed Charges to Medicare Allowed is 450-500%. How can we ever expect to properly measure the true "cost" of medical care/products if the initial ruler we are told to "measure" that cost is so out of whack with reality?

    • @ahealthcarez
      @ahealthcarez  Pƙed 3 lety

      Thanks so much for the detailed comment. Yes, AWP is highly counterproductive.

  • @lalita2688
    @lalita2688 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    How did you calculate that pbm gets .23 cents and pharmacy gets .25?

    • @ahealthcarez
      @ahealthcarez  Pƙed 2 lety

      Hypothetical for illustration purposes. I also don’t know the MAC.
      Thank you for watching.