To the woman who claims to be a "rubbish friend": You really feel guilty that you couldn't find Claudia? You have a teeny fraction of the resources that law enforcement has, and they couldn't find her. You sound like a lovely person, and I would be grateful to have a friend like you.
Agreed, In fact her genuine distress at Claudia's loss, shows what a truly great friend she was. It also gives those of us who didn't know Claudia a clear insight into the much-loved and missed person she was. That police launched open season and countless character assassinations on her in the media, with their ill-judged insinuations about her private life, is an utter disgrace. I have no idea about Claudia Lawrence's private life. I didn't know her. But I do know this: Show me a human being who would fearlessly publish their own life story in full, without leaving out some aspects and incidents they'd rather were not publicly scrutinised, and I will show you a liar! Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone. May Claudia rest in peace and rise in glory.
The love you have for your dear friend is beyond words. You mustn’t let circumstance beyond your control dictate your life. You are a wonderful friend.
This documentary reveals that Claudia never opened or read that last text message she received from her friend in Cypus around 9.10pm on that last evening. She may very well have gone to bed early but she was an avid phone texter/user so I'm surprised she never opened the message the next morning on her walk to work. This makes me think what ever happened to her happened the night before and not walking to work the next morning.
My personal opinion is that she would never have left to start a new life in Cyprus without telling her family that doesn’t make sense.I think she was murdered after 9pm the night before probably by someone she knew who possibly knocked on her door or met her in the front of her house .Maybe someone she worked with who misread signals or was angered by her dating someone else .I just do not believe she would put her parents and friends through so much pain for a life abroad
Agree but also I imagine the expat community in Cyprus can't be that huge. Somebody would have recognized her from her high profile case. Also, if she wanted to go there, why didn't she go through proper channels?
I’m interested in the Chef who said he sometimes picked her up on his way to work but he did not go down her street because they had not arranged to pick up! So he kept going past her street, and then he said something I thought was strange! He said for some reason…then I took another route “after” he passed her street! What does that mean? He then said I could have gone down her street but I didn’t and that it was a bit of monkey on his back. Has this man been fully investigated? Has his car been checked?
100% Spot on - there's no way Claudia vanished out of the blue of her own accord, without even saying goodbye to her family and friends. She'd only fairly recently bought that lovely cottage she was so proud of. She enjoyed her job, and had everything to live for. She'd even arranged to meet her best friend in the pub the night after she vanished - and in one of her final ever phone calls she arranged to meet her Mum that weekend, to celebrate 'Mother's Day'. Claudia was violently removed from this world by a possessive, controlling man who had a sexual obsession with her. She may have had a romantic relationship with her killer past or present, and ended it. But equally she may never have returned his interest, refused to start any such sexual liaison with him, and he killed her in the classic 'If I can't have you, no one else will' scenario. Domestic murders of women by men are typically triggered by the female victim rejecting the male perpetrator, either telling him she wishes to end an existing intimate relationship with him, or not returning his interest at all. I strongly suspect Claudia Lawrence was murdered on the evening of 18th March 2009 some time after her final mobile phone activity circa 9pm, not the following morning 19th March while walking to work. The fact she totally ignored a text message from a friend sent around 9pm, never even opening it, is a huge red flag, indicating she was abducted/killed that night. I don't know any young woman who doesn't read her text messages - even if she decides not to reply! It isn't mentioned in this video, but Claudia's hair straighteners, which she always used, were also missing from her home. It seems to me she was persuaded to spend the night with her lover, and he drove her from her home address and either killed her inside his vehicle or at his home address.
Very sad Peter never got answers before passing away. Hopefully if there’s anything after this life he’s reunited with her now. Tragic all round really, no one deserves to lose their life over an affair or for having multiple partners.
They were constantly questioned. People are scared when that happens. They worry about being charged with a crime that they didn't commit. I would be scared if that happened to me.
Exactly! Pretty disgusting anyone would prioritise their own inconvenience, over a murder investigation. Claudia Lawrence was murdered at just 35 years old. Her killer is still out there, a dangerous, twisted man capable of the worst level of violence against women. People in the pub should have fallen over themselves to help police get that coward off the streets! Shame on them if they complained about multiple interviews, or were uncooperative. Her father Peter died without ever seeing justice or closure, and her mother Jean and sister Ali, and all who loved her, continue to suffer her loss. They too are victims of this heinous crime. Unless you had something to hide, why would you be hostile to the police investigation?
I think it was the way the police went about it and made them feel like they were potentially responsible and the fact they did it in public and the fact that they did it over and over
Unfortunately if this young woman has not surfaced in 10 years, in this social media age. She never will. Alive anyway. I hope her family and friends find peace.
That's not necessarily true. She could be overseas. I mean. How many people from China or some 3rd world country do you see daily on your cruise around the socials? I don't see any. . She could be being hidden by some traffickers or anything!!
Desperately sad for her poor father. And her poor mother lives on, and continues to suffer the loss of her beloved daughter every day. How horrific to know your child was brutally murdered, and her body callously disposed of somehow, and inevitably be haunted by images of her final, terrible moments in fear. My heart goes out to Claudia's loved ones. Murder creates many victims.
That's not true if the prime suspect for Suzy Lamplugh's murder, convicted killer and rapist John Cannan, is her murderer. Cannan is not 'walking around amongst us', he's serving a life sentence for the murder of Shirley Banks.
I feel so sorry for her friend, she really shouldn’t feel guilty Claudia wouldn’t have wanted her to blame herself and ruin her own life, I hope she can get over the loss of her friend.
@@helenscott-tebb406 Like the spin that betrayers & the betrayed will spin: Betrayer: I cheated on you but it's all their fault. Betrayed: You cheated on me but it's all their fault.
Very moving. Just today the local newspaper in my area reported there are 139 missing persons cases. I sincerely hope this and all the cases are solved.
Yes many murderers actually get away with it but the authorities do not draw attention to this. There is an idea of safety and that people are always caught for murder which unfortunately is not true.
It's a haunting case. Based on what I've learned before, there are several men who are suspects. It must be like a weight on the family and friends to know the one who killed her could still lving in the town? One thing is clear: the 'rough' state her fellow chef noticed and the men lurking around her home are connected. One of the men she was seeing turned out to be obsessive? Or he discovered he wasnt' the ONLY one she was seeing? Notice how that man , on CCTV, made sure not to cross pathes with the other man? Was he making sure he wasn't seen there or was the other man another lover? Or the behaviour of a killer who wasn't awware of the camera - going or coming from killing her? RIP Claudia.
So so sad. That man is truly broken. Even as he speaks his voice is trembling and shaking. The hurt stress and pain Proably sent him to an early death.
There is no way this woman would leave and start a new life and make her parents and friends suffer so this way. Her poor mom and dad. Some one took her and killed her. This is very very horrible. I hope they get answers someday. God bless them.
You could hear the pain in Peter's voice. Very sad. R.I.P. Peter. She's dead. She was killed the day she disappeared. I've always felt she was killed by someone she knew.
Claudia would be 50 years old now. It is hard to understand why no new clues have ever been found, regarding her disappearance. My heart goes out to her family and friends as the not knowing must be unbearable. Claudia will never be forgotten. I hope one day we know what became of her..💕💗💝
Someone out there must know something; somebody must know them; maybe had feelings things were not quite right or questions they would have wanted to ask or ideas as to what might have happened…
@@rhonddajohnson8240 yes, definitely. The police always hope that with time, people's loyalties change, and then those who know something, will come forward.
Seems like a copyright issue to do with the background music, so they have to cut it out. Sometimes they use a filter that isolates the narration, which is why it goes a little 'fuzzy' at times.
Its unfortunate that they trashed her reputation.. she was 35, had no children. I would not be surprised if she was pregnant with the father being a married man, who didn't want the responsibility or his wife/family to find out. It is ridiculous that the cops would even consider her missing intentionally
That kind of totally unsubstantiated and sensationalist speculation is exactly the kind of garbage that has successfully 'trashed' Claudia's reputation! You just added to it, you hypocrite - shame on you. Her late father Peter and her mother Joan suffered and continue to suffer terribly, as a result of cruel rumours and gossip exactly like that, which only pile on the agony for her loved ones. Cut it out! At the time of her abduction and murder, Claudia Lawrence was a single woman with no attachments. She was entitled to date whoever she liked, she had made no wedding vows of fidelity. Her private life was exactly that - her private life. It's shocking that in the 21st Century females are still judged as 'virgins or whores' - when you can bet if this had been a single man in the same tragic circumstances, the media would have treated him as the victim he/Claudia was. The double standards around single females are disgusting. The appalling misogyny and character judgements that have been hurled at murder victim Claudia Lawrence since she became the victim of a heinous crime are an utter disgrace.
If Claudia was spending a lot of her time in a particular are of York leading up to her disappearance, you would expect her two friends to know why that was. The fact that they presumably don’t is suspicious.
Keeps returning to her two friends. Claudia would have confided in her friends. Yet no admission from either. They need to be cross examined in a court. But CPS have blocked that route. Her friends know I feel sure so who might they be covering up for.
BINGO! Police have formally interviewed Claudia Lawrence's killer more than once (as Google pretty much confirms). They know exactly who he is, but were unable to bring murder charges following his arrest, and had to release him through lack of evidence. Statistically speaking, Claudia was highly unlikely to have been killed by a total stranger. Even the circumstances/timeline of the crime don't support that scenario. The killer was someone who had a romantic interest in or relationship with her, which may have been over when he killed her. Abusive men frequently kill women after they end the relationship, as a violent reaction to female rejection. The fact her home was forensically clean, indicates she was not killed there but elsewhere - I suspect in a car. Her body was then disposed of. The killer had luck on his side not to have slipped up and got himself caught. I believe it's entirely possible he will be charged as time moves on, and loyalties change. An estranged wife may come forward in future with crucial information - she may even withdraw a previously given alibi for the prime suspect in Claudia's murder. I don't believe that guy has any reason to sleep soundly, his days of freedom are numbered.
@@ChandlerBinge Yes Claudia's car was at a garage, that's why she planned to walk to work the next morning. I believe the killer abducted and murdered her in his vehicle.
You are NOT a rubbish friend. You couldn't have done anything to protect her. It breaks my heart to see what these people are going through. There is nothing worse than not knowing what happened to your loved one.
York’s my home town , emigrated a while ago , I remember this well pretty shocking because as rule such things don’t happen there , appreciate the update on the arrests as I did not know this !! Must admit I thought she must be in heaven and I’m sure this must of took a toll on Peter Very sad for the family, I really hope one day the truth is found
Where did you emigrate too? My aunt & Cousins live in York, I was always there when I was younger, can always remember sadly, watching the Minster burn
@@ianpilkington2037 I remember it burning but did not see it , I moved to Portugal Ian , lived most of my life in Haxby , we had a murder there if I recall the late 90s that was shocking too , and not too far from where I lived
Why did the sound go off in some instances? My heart went out to Claudia's dad Peter, so sad for a father that feels the need to always want to protect his daughters and feels so helpless when this sort of thing happens. RIP Peter. So sorry you did not get closure.
That friend, I didn't know her but im pretty sure she wouldn't want you to feel this way. Im sure you was a great friend to her, you can't blame yourself. My heart goes out to you and all those who loved Claudia.
oh her friend is heartbreaking.. she probably wont see this, but you are NOT a rubbish friend, noone could find her, and you did all you could, even the police didnt do any better than you to say she would have made a better life than you did, is just punishing yourself for no reason, you loved her and i cannot imagine the pain of never knowing, but you were a loving and caring friend and please live happily for both yourself, and for claudia
The assumption is she went to bed early after talking to her mother. Its entirety possible she went out with someone or invited him in that night and switched her phone off to not be bothered. And something went wrong
Not buying the starting a new life theory. The girl spoke to her Mum every single day, that’s not the kind of relationship you have where you just leave your Mum for good without explanation. She had a massive asset in being a home owner - she would have sold the house. Taken personal belongings. Used her passport. Too many reasons to dismiss that theory I’m afraid.
I live in Cyprus all my life and unfortunately I never heard about this case. Cyprus is so small and I am sure if she was here she would be found. I sincerely wish she is well wherever she is and give a sign to her loved ones soon ❤
What about her phone records?!!!?! If she was abducted/killed by someone she was intimate with (married lover) surely she would've been in contact with them using her mobile in the days/weeks prior to her disappearance? Did I miss the part about the police combing thru her phone records for suspects?
Because it's an open and active case police will not make comment other than to say they have been through the records and have the (a general area) location where her phone was of the last few calls and texts from cell mast pings but will not release that information to anyone including family.
Incorrect ...She didnt simply dissappear , the police know who is responsible , they know who is lieing to them and have stated this in the media.They have made numerous arrests ... Failure to gain a conviction or obtain a confession or even persue a prosecution is extremely frustrating ..But ther are people in that community , amongst her social circle who know , and the police know they know ..
That phrase is intended to mean the victims do not choose to disappear - they disappear because someone has deliberately killed them, and successfully hidden their body.
Surely they’d have checked his alibi early on. Although I did wonder when he said he took the other route that morning I couldn’t help but think, did you though? Hope they checked that. Also his mentioning she kept to herself a bit at work didn’t seem to ring true to me as others described her a little more outgoing than that
This is a story i have followed from day one. It's a tragic case, and the father never tired looking for his daughter, until the day he died. If there is case that needs a podcast to break it wide open, it's this one./ Someone, somewhere, knows something. RIP Claudia.
It baffles me that police thought that she left the country to start a new life. When the closest to her clearly state its completely out of character, then police should listen. She never left the UK.
Why did that idiotic copper mention her sex life?! That part of her life had NOTHING to do with her family or friends. As if she's gonna tell them what she got up to in the bedroom department 🙄😡
Exactly how many people really go to their parents and talk about their sex life there’s people that don’t even talk to their friends about that I don’t some people like to keep that stuff private. To me it was very poor, taste that he mentioned that.
Unfortunately the policeman was correct. What she did in her private life is very possibly the key to this mystery, undoubtedly the police think so. Lots of people do drop hints to their friends about their lovers(though not their parents, I’d expect). The question is: do you really want answers? If so, you have to be honest, not squeamish, in the face of difficult subjects.
It was mentioned because her killer was most likely one of her many sexual partners. Not only did she not mention it to her family, she also didn't talk about it to any of her friends, it was like she was living a double life.
She was well known locally for having multi affairs with married men. The answer lies with one of them or a wife. You quite frankly have no idea of this investigation.
Honestly I remember thinking the media was bloody ridiculous! I couldn't give a crap if she was having numerous affairs, this woman needed to be found. Its a 35 yr old woman who deserved to be happy, healthy and safe! It doesn't make her a bad person. I hope she is found one way or another for all those who loved her and deserve answers. And hopefully justice because I don't think she would have just left like this.
Her having lots of affairs gives a possible motive for the killer, that's the point. No one is saying she deserved to be killed because she slept around ffs, why make that up. But sleeping around and having affairs with married men could provide a motive that could help catch the killer. She could have been killed by a jealous ex lover, an ex who had become obsessed and a possible stalker or a married man who didn't want the wife finding out etc. motive is everything in a murder case.
Unusual, it seems, for very talented and thorough English investigators not to solve a case like this. She was clearly abducted and, at some point, killed, probably while walking to work early in the morning, whether by a stranger or someone she knew. So often there is CCTV that helps solve the case--and there is some in this case, but apparently nothing that truly helped solve the case. I would have thought police could have tracked down the two vehicles that were thought suspicious--the car that braked near her house early in the morning of her disappearance or the van--but they were not tracked down.
Have you watched CZcamsr ARRIN STONER's videos on this case? He's done some excellent deep dives, and studied/analysed the available security video, with fascinating insights. His original research on many infamous crimes is incredibly in-depth, and he shares everything he discovers with the relevant police forces. I believe the police know the identity of Claudia Lawrence's killer, but lack the evidence needed to bring murder charges. That could change at any time - all they need is for her body to be found, or a disgruntled ex wife to come forward with some new evidence, and they will nail him. I believe Claudia's murder will be solved - it's just a shame her father Peter, who died in February 2021, won't be here to see it.
It is not always easy to trace cars etc on cctv footage, it is not like in tv shows where they can zoom in and identify the number plate, or that it had a little sticker in the rear window!
The killer or maybe jilted lover must not have been to Claudia’s when they met up as there is no trace of him there, no tooth brush or dna or prints.perhaps they’d recently broke up hence no tooth brush....
@@janetpendlebury6808 Very true, if only security cameras were better and actually picked up vehicle registration plates - it would be a huge help to police in solving crimes like this one. It is an outrage to think that the maniac who murdered Claudia Lawrence in cold blood walks among us, having enjoyed 15 Christmases with his family as a free man. Sickening! He did it once, he could do it again. Those people out there who know he brutally ended the life of that defenceless young woman, should search their conscience and speak to police. He is a danger to females, and belongs behind bars - this is a huge public safety issue, alongside justice for the victim and her loved ones.
@@rebekahTee-er3rz Police have known who killed Claudia Lawrence for at least 10 years. They've interviewed him under caution multiple times. He will hopefully be charged at some point - if he doesn't die of old age first.
People talk. They talk on their deathbeds. They talk when they're drunk. They talk when they're trying to intimidate someone else by bragging or insinuating that they've done something. People talk
Am I the only one who doesn't give much credit to the gibberish about the man stopping to magically avoid the person who clearly could see him for the previous 20 seconds or more?
I know this is a bit of a stretch, but something is better than nothing. In the 2009 CCTV grainy footage of the guy seen twice near to Claudia Lawrence's house, he has to me a clear limp of his right leg. Like it's deformed or a false leg from the knee down. I am disabled. I have the same walk/stride due to me having one leg shorter than the other. I noticed this right away. Then I saw a woman on another video about Claudia saying exactly the same thing. I agree with her. The guy seen twice in that footage near to Claudia's house has a right leg limp for sure. Now, six months later. 2009. Alan Wood was murdered. The guy they are keen to find who was seen at ATM cash machines also has a significant right leg limp. This could be the same guy. In the absence of new evidence involving both crimes, a small clue might be helpful and could lead to the culprit being caught. If I was a police officer, I would look at both cases and possibly link them due to the coincidence that both CCTV videos show a guy with a prominent right leg limp. I hope this helps in some small way. No detail can be overlooked. Even if it seems unlikely.
If it is true that she was "well known in the area for multiple sexual partners who were married," then this has to be seen as an important line of enquiry, not "victim blaming." She was 35 and single. I note she made remarks about being a "spinster," which is a negative word to use about being unmarried. At her age, time was running out. It is not unusual for a woman in this situation to have become pregnant as a desperate attempt to have a baby and/or get a man to leave his wife and marry her. This has led to married men murdering women. I'm afraid I think this is the most likely thing to have happened to her. I would chase down any married lover with money and status. Partly because he would have more to lose and partly because he has obviously gone to considerable lengths to hide the body. This indicates that he knows how the system works. I bet the police do have an idea who murdered her but can't get enough evidence. The fact that the men arrested were not mentioned also suggests a more powerful man is involved in this. The only thing that puzzles me is if gossip had it that she was "well known" to have multiple married lovers surely it would be possible to discover them all? I wish her family and friends peace. Claudia is at peace now.
They have to mention it, it was probably one of the men that was involved in her disappearance. Blame the journalists for blazing it all over papers and beefing it up to sell more of them.
It actually does matter what people do in their private lives and what kind of person they are and/or were. Relative moralism is a slippery slope Gabrielle
I think it all happened on her way to work because she had plans to walk out of work when her shift finished looking her very best. She packed her bag with straightners. After every working shift shes got to change into her normal clothes, I've never known any type of catering where you're allowed to start or finish and in your catering clothes. So imagine (regularly after every shift) she's just done a shift, got into her normal clothes,took off her hat and hair net that shes had on all day. She takes pride in her appearence as we can all see from years of photos and she doesn't stike as a person who'd have messy hair regardless of anything. Looking at the texture of her hair im sure it'd get a kink in it after wearing a net and hat . Even if she was just walking home from work, theres the possibility that she would see someone she knows or maybe even stop off somewhere and wanting to look her best self . Claudia packed her bag that morning just like she did every shift with her straighteners ready to leave work looking as good as she did when she first walked in. She had plans to walk out of work that day im certain. It might seem insignificant but us ladies do little things like this if we are creatures of habit and ones that take pride in our appearence 100% of the time and all the time . I don't believe this fleeing for a new life theory but i do believe that the locals have kept tight lipped about what they know.
Very sad story. I feel for her parents and friends. They love her very much and they need closure. I really hope they will be able to find something soon and find peace. I’ve been following this case for years. Sometimes, out of the blue Claudia comes to my mind and I search for news about her and the case and always find nothing is new. Light and hope to those parents, it is the worst nightmare for a parent to loose a child in such circumstances. 😢😢😢
The convicted killer who tried to lure her into his car would have been the prime suspect would he not? How often does that happen? The police reasoning about him living 'some distance' away sounded very weak to me. A 30 or so-minute drive away is not 'some distance'.
I don't understand why they had to mention Claudia's sex life. It's as if they want to run her character down for everyone to see. I hope her family get answers soon.
Because it was most likely someone from her secret sex life that abducted and murdered her. The whole investigation was hampered because she had kept that part of her life secret from her family and friends, so the police didn't find out there was another side to her life for a few weeks, that meant it was very hard to chase up possible leads. Also, as she kept it so secret it was hard to find the people she knew from that life.
@@nlwilson4892in contrast, wasn’t the investigation hampered because these men kept the secret, even knowing that Claudia was missing? They could have and should have come forward
I think as hard and shocking as it was to hear for her family and friends it was relevant to the case. Maybe the police had hoped if it was the married man who’d done something to Claudia or knew something he may be worried they were onto him and hoped he’d come forward first before they found him. Who knows?! It certainly wouldn’t have stopped me from coming forward to help if I could have done. What a single woman gets up to in her own time is none of mine or anyone else’s business quite frankly. Let’s face it, had she been a man she’d have been getting a pat on the back for having “multiple partners”!
To me, there is a pattern. Claudia was seen on video the day and evening before but not in the morning. Her phone was on and turned off in her local area. Her body was never found. To me this sounds like she never went home but went to another house in the local area in the evening and never left. Police should look into any houses in the area that had excavation/building works at that time in her local area.
I feel so sorry for her dad. I can only imagine the pain his going through not knowing what happened to her, whether she is alive or dead. Every day he must be suffering. The mother doesn't seem bothered at all.
God bless the family and friends and I offer condolences. I just read the story and I feel burdened in my heart. She has never been located in 15 years now.. I do think in the next world we see each other, and I believe the parents and France will be reunited in the mystery solved for them each and everyone🙏
Only two issues i have with this case: 1). The friends were clearly expecting her in the pub but neither rang nor texted her nor walked the few steps from the pub to her door to check. Jen lives in the same house and after work did not check to see why she never came. Nor checked her after work. Yet claudia told her mum she was going to bed early. That fits with her being tired from the night before with this other man according to Peter Oxer her co-worker. So why didn't the friends check up on her. So was Claudia lying to her mum and not going to bed early or lying to her friends to say she was joining them but then wasn't. So that didn't make sense. 2). Peter Oxer clearly has a close friendship with claudia to note she had a rough night with someone who was not her normal boyfriend. So who was her normal boyfriend. Was Peter indiscreet to her normal boyfriend and would this boyfriend be jealous. Could that be the man hesitating going to get a bag from his car, pausing so he is not seen and going to her house. I also found it interesting Peter Oxer communicated at 7.27 offering to lend her his car the following morning. Did he offer to lend his car or did he offer to pick her up? Because he says earlier what if I had turned left... But then he says that hadnt been arranged... But the night before surely he would have offered a ride instead of his car. Why didnt he offer her a lift home that day at work. Why didnt he offer her his car that day at work or a lift for the following day. The man in white has the build and stature of Paul Oxer when the man in black hesitated. Did Paul go to offer her his car in person and then by phone. Did the man in black see him and become jealous. At 7.27pm whoever faltered, returning to get a bag is already acting suspiciously. Had his mind been made up. Was he stalking Claudia. Was he the boyfriend she had a rough night with. Was she pregnant by a married man? But none of it adds up. Shes expected in the pub with friends but tells her mum she is tired and going to bed early. She would tell her friends she wasn't coming. Let us assume her friends are telling the truth, were expecting her, didn't feel the need to check up on her, thought she had cried off or met someone else, then she either met up with a boyfriend or opened the door to someone she knew. I believe her mother when she said she was going to have an early night. But she gets off work early is home shortly after 3pm. Who is she with between 3.15 and 7.15 and what is she doing. And Peter Oxer is curious. Offers her his car but doesnt offer her a lift in the morning and goes a completely different way. Why did he go a different way? Why dud he avoid her address by rerouting? And what if Claudia did decide to go out and see her friends in the pub. Was she dying and straightening her hair? That would explain why her white work outfit was gone. She didn't want to ruin her outfit or get dye on her clothes so she wore it to dye her hair. And the two things used in doing her hair are gone. The work outfit and the tongs. So the tongs could be a murder weapon and the clothes link the suspect to the crime perhaps because of transfer of DNA. The shady dark man... Does he look anything like the landlord. Who would call that early. So 7.15 strange man seen skulking 7.27 Paul Oxer offers his car 8.30 Claudia speaks to her mum 9.12 Claudia fails to respond to a text. 05.00 to 05.40 landlord seen near house Curca 6pm car brakes suddenly Paul Oxer is definitely a person of interest, so is the landlord, so are the friends
Alleyway man is Alistair cooper both times ….. She was taken out the back straight into the back garden of the house behind hers that gets searched continuously and owned by the usual suspect …his brother was living there at the time …she probably went there by choice…. The house with the coded key lock next to the front door on Heworth place….. you probs know but PR as well as owning a lot of property around where Claudia lived lives in a house across the heworth road in front of her house opposite with her mate Jen King though they have now split up…. Time will tell 🤞
What if Christopher HallIwell had something to do with this disappearance i heard somewhere he went to York the heartbreaking thing as a parent is not knowing where your child is
well.. she was working the morning shift Id say.. so she took her rack sack. what was found at home? credit card and something .. maybe she took a few dollars with her to work and that was enough.. left her personal property at home.. just going to work then returning straight home. so need to take everything to work?
This is good to hear. In most murders it's often those that are close. They don't say what men she was seeing. I'm sure she would be in contact if she was alive.
100% correct, very poor police work, and blatant misogyny and victim-blaming in their own media briefings, and in subsequent news reports. Claudia Lawrence was vilely defamed as an adulteress - when she had been the victim of a heinous murder, and was not even alive to defend her reputation. These scurrilous attacks on her character piled additional agony onto her parents, sister, friends and loved ones. Her private life was exactly that. She was a 35 year old single woman - she had made marriage vows to no one! It sickens me how double standards are applied to the sex lives of women and men. I guarantee had a man vanished in the same circumstances as Claudia, the police and media reports would have presented him as the blameless murder victim he/Claudia was. There would have been no victim blaming or 'slut shaming', as we saw directed at Claudia. How sad her father Peter, who worked long and hard to secure justice for his murdered child, died in 2021 without seeing justice for her, or closure for himself and all who loved her.
There is true evil in this despicable world, i have worked amongst people i thought ok but found them to be the epitamy of pure and utter evil. I've met more in other walks of life the majority more evil than good and trust no one. The lady who was her best friend is an exceptional person, you can see it in her . Hope her lovely dad can get peace im same age as him and feel for him x
This case has always been one that i keep coming back to. Feel so bad for her parents. I always had a feeling that a female was involved in what happened to Claudia.
She had her work clothes and her phone which she usually took in a backpack. She presumably also had her house keys. There would be no need for another bag.
No one deserves to be missing or murder! The pain of losing a family member is always there and it is horrendous! I would not wish that on my worse enemy!
After this long it does seem like she may have been murdered and her body disposed of somehow (either burned or buried) making it difficult to find her. I hope that is not the case.
To the woman who claims to be a "rubbish friend": You really feel guilty that you couldn't find Claudia? You have a teeny fraction of the resources that law enforcement has, and they couldn't find her. You sound like a lovely person, and I would be grateful to have a friend like you.
Well said 👏🏻
Agreed, In fact her genuine distress at Claudia's loss, shows what a truly great friend she was.
It also gives those of us who didn't know Claudia a clear insight into the much-loved and missed person she was.
That police launched open season and countless character assassinations on her in the media, with their ill-judged insinuations about her private life, is an utter disgrace.
I have no idea about Claudia Lawrence's private life. I didn't know her. But I do know this:
Show me a human being who would fearlessly publish their own life story in full, without leaving out some aspects and incidents they'd rather were not publicly scrutinised, and I will show you a liar! Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
May Claudia rest in peace and rise in glory.
@@glamdolly30 yes a lovely friend ❤
Amen….
The love you have for your dear friend is beyond words. You mustn’t let circumstance beyond your control dictate your life.
You are a wonderful friend.
This documentary reveals that Claudia never opened or read that last text message she received from her friend in Cypus around 9.10pm on that last evening. She may very well have gone to bed early but she was an avid phone texter/user so I'm surprised she never opened the message the next morning on her walk to work. This makes me think what ever happened to her happened the night before and not walking to work the next morning.
Great point and observation. My thoughts exactly. Clearly cops have not exhausted all possible avenues here. Frustrating!!!
Exactly what I thought. Whoever killed her that night then dumped her bag the next day so probably someone she knew
My thoughts too
She is no longer alive. This cold case needs to be re-opened and re-worked. It is solvable.
@@cocokel1359 Too bad they were more interested in her '' dirty laundry'' than solving the case.
I will always think of this story 😢 her father never stopped till the day he died ! RIP PETER X
It was him all along!
My personal opinion is that she would never have left to start a new life in Cyprus without telling her family that doesn’t make sense.I think she was murdered after 9pm the night before probably by someone she knew who possibly knocked on her door or met her in the front of her house .Maybe someone she worked with who misread signals or was angered by her dating someone else .I just do not believe she would put her parents and friends through so much pain for a life abroad
Agree but also I imagine the expat community in Cyprus can't be that huge. Somebody would have recognized her from her high profile case. Also, if she wanted to go there, why didn't she go through proper channels?
I’m interested in the Chef who said he sometimes picked her up on his way to work but he did not go down her street because they had not arranged to pick up! So he kept going past her street, and then he said something I thought was strange! He said for some reason…then I took another route “after” he passed her street! What does that mean? He then said I could have gone down her street but I didn’t and that it was a bit of monkey on his back. Has this man been fully investigated? Has his car been checked?
@@jonfomaw756 I agree that also stood out to me
100% Spot on - there's no way Claudia vanished out of the blue of her own accord, without even saying goodbye to her family and friends. She'd only fairly recently bought that lovely cottage she was so proud of. She enjoyed her job, and had everything to live for. She'd even arranged to meet her best friend in the pub the night after she vanished - and in one of her final ever phone calls she arranged to meet her Mum that weekend, to celebrate 'Mother's Day'.
Claudia was violently removed from this world by a possessive, controlling man who had a sexual obsession with her. She may have had a romantic relationship with her killer past or present, and ended it. But equally she may never have returned his interest, refused to start any such sexual liaison with him, and he killed her in the classic 'If I can't have you, no one else will' scenario.
Domestic murders of women by men are typically triggered by the female victim rejecting the male perpetrator, either telling him she wishes to end an existing intimate relationship with him, or not returning his interest at all.
I strongly suspect Claudia Lawrence was murdered on the evening of 18th March 2009 some time after her final mobile phone activity circa 9pm, not the following morning 19th March while walking to work. The fact she totally ignored a text message from a friend sent around 9pm, never even opening it, is a huge red flag, indicating she was abducted/killed that night. I don't know any young woman who doesn't read her text messages - even if she decides not to reply!
It isn't mentioned in this video, but Claudia's hair straighteners, which she always used, were also missing from her home. It seems to me she was persuaded to spend the night with her lover, and he drove her from her home address and either killed her inside his vehicle or at his home address.
Her passport was left behind it makes no sense to enter Cyprus illegally, she didn't leave England sadly
Very sad Peter never got answers before passing away. Hopefully if there’s anything after this life he’s reunited with her now. Tragic all round really, no one deserves to lose their life over an affair or for having multiple partners.
JESUS IS THE WAY
Yes, I felt so sad when I heard he had died. Just tragic for her whole family.
No, Krishna is the way@@yahswayorthehighwayarise4450
Do not make light of getting involved with someone who's already married; this is very destructive in many ways.
Comical how the folk in the pub were “pissed off” about being questioned. Surely they’d want to help.
They were constantly questioned. People are scared when that happens. They worry about being charged with a crime that they didn't commit. I would be scared if that happened to me.
My thinking was just the same! Harsh words
Exactly! Pretty disgusting anyone would prioritise their own inconvenience, over a murder investigation. Claudia Lawrence was murdered at just 35 years old. Her killer is still out there, a dangerous, twisted man capable of the worst level of violence against women.
People in the pub should have fallen over themselves to help police get that coward off the streets! Shame on them if they complained about multiple interviews, or were uncooperative.
Her father Peter died without ever seeing justice or closure, and her mother Jean and sister Ali, and all who loved her, continue to suffer her loss. They too are victims of this heinous crime. Unless you had something to hide, why would you be hostile to the police investigation?
I think it was the way the police went about it and made them feel like they were potentially responsible and the fact they did it in public and the fact that they did it over and over
Someone there knows something imo.
Unfortunately if this young woman has not surfaced in 10 years, in this social media age. She never will. Alive anyway. I hope her family and friends find peace.
She wont sadly. Her poor father.
It's rare but there are people who have been gone longer and still eventually escaped their captor or otherwise reappeared.
That's not necessarily true. She could be overseas. I mean. How many people from China or some 3rd world country do you see daily on your cruise around the socials? I don't see any. . She could be being hidden by some traffickers or anything!!
@hippiebits2071 that's what I'm saying! Let's keep hope alive ❤
Its nearly 15 years now, this is a bit old.
RIP Peter, hoping he's reunited with with his beloved Claudia 💙🙏
Poor man. His voice choked with grief. Awful for any father to bear 🥹
@@joannethomson2761 Yes, so sad.
Died not knowing where his daughter was. Heartbreaking 😢
Desperately sad for her poor father. And her poor mother lives on, and continues to suffer the loss of her beloved daughter every day. How horrific to know your child was brutally murdered, and her body callously disposed of somehow, and inevitably be haunted by images of her final, terrible moments in fear. My heart goes out to Claudia's loved ones. Murder creates many victims.
She disappeared in 2009, it will be 15 years in March 😢
Her lovely, tortured father was just destroyed by this. I'm so sad he never got to find out what happened.
Yep the poor soul went to his grave without knowing.
Her father left a legacy before passing.... "Claudia's law".
Whoever is responsible and also for Susie Lamplugh, these people are still walking around amongst us..😢
That's not true if the prime suspect for Suzy Lamplugh's murder, convicted killer and rapist John Cannan, is her murderer. Cannan is not 'walking around amongst us', he's serving a life sentence for the murder of Shirley Banks.
John Cannan prime suspect for Susie Lamplugh. Locked up thankfully for another murder. Hopefully never to be released.
Maybe not Maybe in jail Maybe gone .. If they're alive it'd be nice for their conscience to break so they can come forward 🤞🏼🙏✨️
Suzie lamplughs killer is in jail still thankfully. But I get you :-(
There is a really interesting documentary on here about her it's called 'truly criminal'
I feel so bad for the parents especially the father. so sad really.
Her dad passed away a couple of years ago sadly...
awwww really well maybe they with each other now on the other side @@pnklady3788
Must be tough for a dad to accept his daughter was a bit of a slapper. Poor old guy.
Some people are truly sick in the head with their comments
@@nigelwilliams9307 Grow up.
I feel so sorry for her friend, she really shouldn’t feel guilty Claudia wouldn’t have wanted her to blame herself and ruin her own life, I hope she can get over the loss of her friend.
The media really is toxic at times
People in general can be toxic.
Social media in general is toxic, 'thanks' to self-entitled users bashing & insulting people they've never met---because there are no consequences.
the question is WHEN the "media" were NOT toxic.....
@@helenscott-tebb406 Like the spin that betrayers & the betrayed will spin:
Betrayer: I cheated on you but it's all their fault.
Betrayed: You cheated on me but it's all their fault.
Her dad was clearly so, so broken by this, poor man, I hope he’s resting in peace.
How sad.
I’m fairly sure her dad was in the missing person choir on BGT a few years ago.
He was in the choir., sad he passed with out ever knowing…
Hopefully they are reunited now ❤❤
P
Yes he was.
Heartbreaking hearing her dad speak, clearly broke the poor man, sad he never got to find answers, hope justice is done for her one day
Very moving. Just today the local newspaper in my area reported there are 139 missing persons cases. I sincerely hope this and all the cases are solved.
Be strange if one man took several or more women. A serial killer 😳 😕 you just never know
Yes many murderers actually get away with it but the authorities do not draw attention to this. There is an idea of safety and that people are always caught for murder which unfortunately is not true.
What a great father, friend and mum…you have done your best.
Such truly good, kind, and loving people.
This is a very sad story, for the family and friends. Her dad and 1 friend really touched my heart.
Me too, that poor lady feeling guilt and saying That confirms I'm a lousy friend 🥺, and her life would've been so much better than mine 😢😪
It's a haunting case. Based on what I've learned before, there are several men who are suspects. It must be like a weight on the family and friends to know the one who killed her could still lving in the town?
One thing is clear: the 'rough' state her fellow chef noticed and the men lurking around her home are connected. One of the men she was seeing turned out to be obsessive? Or he discovered he wasnt' the ONLY one she was seeing?
Notice how that man , on CCTV, made sure not to cross pathes with the other man?
Was he making sure he wasn't seen there or was the other man another lover?
Or the behaviour of a killer who wasn't awware of the camera - going or coming from killing her?
RIP Claudia.
If someone is cheating on a spouse, it's THEIR FAULT, THEIR CHOICE.
I would bet, the married men who were seeing Claudia had been seeing other women too.....cheaters generally have multiple affairs
When you're very close to your family, talk to them daily, you are not just going to move away and not take anything or tell them
Feb. 2024. Pray there is resolution to this mystifying case for Claudia’s dear mum.🙏🏻
🙏🤍
The pain in his eyes is so desperate and helpless. Sending hope & prayers. So tragic
Sadly he passed away
@@3rrlia661 So sad. Tormented and restless, aching to know something til his end. I can't imagine the pain. RIP
So so sad. That man is truly broken. Even as he speaks his voice is trembling and shaking. The hurt stress and pain Proably sent him to an early death.
There is no way this woman would leave and start a new life and make her parents and friends suffer so this way. Her poor mom and dad. Some one took her and killed her. This is very very horrible. I hope they get answers someday. God bless them.
You could hear the pain in Peter's voice. Very sad. R.I.P. Peter.
She's dead. She was killed the day she disappeared. I've always felt she was killed by someone she knew.
The man she was having the affair with. Pregnant with his child. She was going to tell the wife. He got angry. Ruin his life.
@@dawnjeanballard2874I feel she was going to move to Greece and bring the child up there
@@dawnjeanballard2874 Exactly! This happens more often than we know.
Claudia would be 50 years old now. It is hard to understand why no new clues have ever been found, regarding her disappearance. My heart goes out to her family and friends as the not knowing must be unbearable. Claudia will never be forgotten. I hope one day we know what became of her..💕💗💝
Someone out there must know something; somebody must know them; maybe had feelings things were not quite right or questions they would have wanted to ask or ideas as to what might have happened…
@@rhonddajohnson8240 yes, definitely. The police always hope that with time, people's loyalties change, and then those who know something, will come forward.
Did the sound go in parts for anyone else? Particularly at the end of around 2 minutes?
Yes. That's the 2nd video from this channel that loses sound at the end.
Seems like a copyright issue to do with the background music, so they have to cut it out.
Sometimes they use a filter that isolates the narration, which is why it goes a little 'fuzzy' at times.
Her dad was on BGT lost people choir, it was very emotional and upsetting. I remember so sad and now he’s passed away without ever knowing.
You can hear the heartbreak in her dads voice. 😢😔
It's awful poor man💔. He's at peace now
I feel so badly for her friend/roommate, who blamed herself and feels so guilty, when she didn't help them find her.
Yeah, she is so broken up inside. I hope people in her life saw this and rallied around her
Same feeling I have... it's beyond sad that she feels that way 😭 she is a true friend ... I wish we all had friends like her ❤
So do I, and she has absolutely nothing to blame herself for.
Its unfortunate that they trashed her reputation.. she was 35, had no children. I would not be surprised if she was pregnant with the father being a married man, who didn't want the responsibility or his wife/family to find out. It is ridiculous that the cops would even consider her missing intentionally
That is exactly what i thought...
Bingo.
That kind of totally unsubstantiated and sensationalist speculation is exactly the kind of garbage that has successfully 'trashed' Claudia's reputation! You just added to it, you hypocrite - shame on you.
Her late father Peter and her mother Joan suffered and continue to suffer terribly, as a result of cruel rumours and gossip exactly like that, which only pile on the agony for her loved ones. Cut it out!
At the time of her abduction and murder, Claudia Lawrence was a single woman with no attachments. She was entitled to date whoever she liked, she had made no wedding vows of fidelity. Her private life was exactly that - her private life. It's shocking that in the 21st Century females are still judged as 'virgins or whores' - when you can bet if this had been a single man in the same tragic circumstances, the media would have treated him as the victim he/Claudia was. The double standards around single females are disgusting.
The appalling misogyny and character judgements that have been hurled at murder victim Claudia Lawrence since she became the victim of a heinous crime are an utter disgrace.
Agree!
If she got to 35 without falling pregnant why would she?
I can't believe it's been 15 years already.
Very very sad 😢 so many monsters hiding in plan sight around us 😢
My heart with the friends and family, hope she is found, been following her case for ages, thanks for a nice docu X
If Claudia was spending a lot of her time in a particular are of York leading up to her disappearance, you would expect her two friends to know why that was. The fact that they presumably don’t is suspicious.
Keeps returning to her two friends. Claudia would have confided in her friends. Yet no admission from either. They need to be cross examined in a court. But CPS have blocked that route. Her friends know I feel sure so who might they be covering up for.
If they truly didn’t know why she was spending time in that area then what was Claudia hiding from them . If they do know, then what are they hiding ?
Many times the police know or have a very good idea who did it but are simply lacking the evidence.
True
BINGO! Police have formally interviewed Claudia Lawrence's killer more than once (as Google pretty much confirms). They know exactly who he is, but were unable to bring murder charges following his arrest, and had to release him through lack of evidence.
Statistically speaking, Claudia was highly unlikely to have been killed by a total stranger. Even the circumstances/timeline of the crime don't support that scenario. The killer was someone who had a romantic interest in or relationship with her, which may have been over when he killed her. Abusive men frequently kill women after they end the relationship, as a violent reaction to female rejection.
The fact her home was forensically clean, indicates she was not killed there but elsewhere - I suspect in a car. Her body was then disposed of. The killer had luck on his side not to have slipped up and got himself caught. I believe it's entirely possible he will be charged as time moves on, and loyalties change. An estranged wife may come forward in future with crucial information - she may even withdraw a previously given alibi for the prime suspect in Claudia's murder. I don't believe that guy has any reason to sleep soundly, his days of freedom are numbered.
@@glamdolly30 wasn't her car getting fixed?
@@ChandlerBinge Yes Claudia's car was at a garage, that's why she planned to walk to work the next morning. I believe the killer abducted and murdered her in his vehicle.
@@glamdolly30 thanks, I misread your initial comment, do you think Claudia had been in this car before?
You are NOT a rubbish friend. You couldn't have done anything to protect her. It breaks my heart to see what these people are going through. There is nothing worse than not knowing what happened to your loved one.
York’s my home town , emigrated a while ago , I remember this well pretty shocking because as rule such things don’t happen there , appreciate the update on the arrests as I did not know this !!
Must admit I thought she must be in heaven and I’m sure this must of took a toll on Peter
Very sad for the family, I really hope one day the truth is found
Where did you emigrate too? My aunt & Cousins live in York, I was always there when I was younger, can always remember sadly, watching the Minster burn
@@ianpilkington2037 I remember it burning but did not see it , I moved to Portugal Ian , lived most of my life in Haxby , we had a murder there if I recall the late 90s that was shocking too , and not too far from where I lived
Why did the sound go off in some instances? My heart went out to Claudia's dad Peter, so sad for a father that feels the need to always want to protect his daughters and feels so helpless when this sort of thing happens. RIP Peter. So sorry you did not get closure.
The sound has probably been muted to avoid getting a copyright infringement strike. This is a Channel 5 program.
I have to admit that this story brought a tear to my eye... RIP Peter.
That friend, I didn't know her but im pretty sure she wouldn't want you to feel this way. Im sure you was a great friend to her, you can't blame yourself. My heart goes out to you and all those who loved Claudia.
oh her friend is heartbreaking.. she probably wont see this, but you are NOT a rubbish friend, noone could find her, and you did all you could, even the police didnt do any better than you to say she would have made a better life than you did, is just punishing yourself for no reason, you loved her and i cannot imagine the pain of never knowing, but you were a loving and caring friend and please live happily for both yourself, and for claudia
I hope she reads what you and others have written here.
You can see the pain on Peters face, his heart was broken, he never gave up. RIP Peter 💐
The assumption is she went to bed early after talking to her mother. Its entirety possible she went out with someone or invited him in that night and switched her phone off to not be bothered. And something went wrong
Not buying the starting a new life theory. The girl spoke to her Mum every single day, that’s not the kind of relationship you have where you just leave your Mum for good without explanation. She had a massive asset in being a home owner - she would have sold the house. Taken personal belongings. Used her passport. Too many reasons to dismiss that theory I’m afraid.
I live in Cyprus all my life and unfortunately I never heard about this case. Cyprus is so small and I am sure if she was here she would be found. I sincerely wish she is well wherever she is and give a sign to her loved ones soon ❤
What about her phone records?!!!?! If she was abducted/killed by someone she was intimate with (married lover) surely she would've been in contact with them using her mobile in the days/weeks prior to her disappearance? Did I miss the part about the police combing thru her phone records for suspects?
Because it's an open and active case police will not make comment other than to say they have been through the records and have the (a general area) location where her phone was of the last few calls and texts from cell mast pings but will not release that information to anyone including family.
They will know the content of the text messages won't they? And who she would have messaged.
I imagine this would have led to the arrests.
That would probably one of the first things they checked: her phone.
Anyone who says 'people do not simply disappear without a trace' should take note. They do and this is but one real life example
Quite a few including Andrew Gosden.
Incorrect ...She didnt simply dissappear , the police know who is responsible , they know who is lieing to them and have stated this in the media.They have made numerous arrests ... Failure to gain a conviction or obtain a confession or even persue a prosecution is extremely frustrating ..But ther are people in that community , amongst her social circle who know , and the police know they know ..
That phrase is intended to mean the victims do not choose to disappear - they disappear because someone has deliberately killed them, and successfully hidden their body.
@@Joe-rv6jr name the names then big man.
@@user-uc3gl1ce3t That information is freely available, and in the public domain. Google is your friend, big man.
David O mentioning Claudia not sleeping well after going out with a unknown man could've been shifting the attention away from himself ??
He smiles and laughs inappropriately when discussing Claudia.
@elspethcoogan1499
Glad I'm not the only one. Dupers delight. He gave me the chills.
He also resembles the dark clothed person in the CCTV carrying the bag who stopped short when someone walked past. 🧐
Surely they’d have checked his alibi early on. Although I did wonder when he said he took the other route that morning I couldn’t help but think, did you though? Hope they checked that. Also his mentioning she kept to herself a bit at work didn’t seem to ring true to me as others described her a little more outgoing than that
I thought same
This is a story i have followed from day one. It's a tragic case, and the father never tired looking for his daughter, until the day he died. If there is case that needs a podcast to break it wide open, it's this one./ Someone, somewhere, knows something. RIP Claudia.
It baffles me that police thought that she left the country to start a new life. When the closest to her clearly state its completely out of character, then police should listen. She never left the UK.
God her friend and her dad seem so broken. I hope her dad found some peace before he passed. I hope her friend is doing okay too. Very sad.
No one really totally knows their children and all the secrets they hold
Fantastic without loud distracting music
Why did that idiotic copper mention her sex life?! That part of her life had NOTHING to do with her family or friends. As if she's gonna tell them what she got up to in the bedroom department 🙄😡
Exactly how many people really go to their parents and talk about their sex life there’s people that don’t even talk to their friends about that I don’t some people like to keep that stuff private. To me it was very poor, taste that he mentioned that.
Unfortunately the policeman was correct. What she did in her private life is very possibly the key to this mystery, undoubtedly the police think so. Lots of people do drop hints to their friends about their lovers(though not their parents, I’d expect). The question is: do you really want answers? If so, you have to be honest, not squeamish, in the face of difficult subjects.
It was mentioned because her killer was most likely one of her many sexual partners. Not only did she not mention it to her family, she also didn't talk about it to any of her friends, it was like she was living a double life.
She was well known locally for having multi affairs with married men. The answer lies with one of them or a wife. You quite frankly have no idea of this investigation.
@@bieni78women need to stay away from married men period smh
Honestly I remember thinking the media was bloody ridiculous! I couldn't give a crap if she was having numerous affairs, this woman needed to be found. Its a 35 yr old woman who deserved to be happy, healthy and safe! It doesn't make her a bad person. I hope she is found one way or another for all those who loved her and deserve answers. And hopefully justice because I don't think she would have just left like this.
Well said ❤
Her having lots of affairs gives a possible motive for the killer, that's the point. No one is saying she deserved to be killed because she slept around ffs, why make that up. But sleeping around and having affairs with married men could provide a motive that could help catch the killer. She could have been killed by a jealous ex lover, an ex who had become obsessed and a possible stalker or a married man who didn't want the wife finding out etc. motive is everything in a murder case.
@@pietropes1322 Who was it who claimed she slept around and had affairs with married men?
You've just demonstrated why you would be clueless as a police detective ...
The co worker ...anyone find his story odd?
Yea if u were goin ur usual route to work and u cudnt c ur work mate on route why wod u change course, she might have got a taxi or a lift to work
You weren’t a rubbish friend
No you were not a rubbish friend at all x
Unusual, it seems, for very talented and thorough English investigators not to solve a case like this. She was clearly abducted and, at some point, killed, probably while walking to work early in the morning, whether by a stranger or someone she knew. So often there is CCTV that helps solve the case--and there is some in this case, but apparently nothing that truly helped solve the case. I would have thought police could have tracked down the two vehicles that were thought suspicious--the car that braked near her house early in the morning of her disappearance or the van--but they were not tracked down.
Have you watched CZcamsr ARRIN STONER's videos on this case? He's done some excellent deep dives, and studied/analysed the available security video, with fascinating insights.
His original research on many infamous crimes is incredibly in-depth, and he shares everything he discovers with the relevant police forces.
I believe the police know the identity of Claudia Lawrence's killer, but lack the evidence needed to bring murder charges. That could change at any time - all they need is for her body to be found, or a disgruntled ex wife to come forward with some new evidence, and they will nail him. I believe Claudia's murder will be solved - it's just a shame her father Peter, who died in February 2021, won't be here to see it.
It is not always easy to trace cars etc on cctv footage, it is not like in tv shows where they can zoom in and identify the number plate, or that it had a little sticker in the rear window!
The killer or maybe jilted lover must not have been to Claudia’s when they met up as there is no trace of him there, no tooth brush or dna or prints.perhaps they’d recently broke up hence no tooth brush....
@@janetpendlebury6808 Very true, if only security cameras were better and actually picked up vehicle registration plates - it would be a huge help to police in solving crimes like this one.
It is an outrage to think that the maniac who murdered Claudia Lawrence in cold blood walks among us, having enjoyed 15 Christmases with his family as a free man. Sickening!
He did it once, he could do it again. Those people out there who know he brutally ended the life of that defenceless young woman, should search their conscience and speak to police. He is a danger to females, and belongs behind bars - this is a huge public safety issue, alongside justice for the victim and her loved ones.
Loads of missing people in the UK have never been found
This is probably one of those cases which unfortunately sad to say will never be solved. All completely sad for her family and friends.
It was solved by someone recently..the police just refuse to take statement and prosecute.
What happened to her
@@rebekahTee-er3rzplease elaborate
@@rebekahTee-er3rz Police have known who killed Claudia Lawrence for at least 10 years. They've interviewed him under caution multiple times. He will hopefully be charged at some point - if he doesn't die of old age first.
People talk. They talk on their deathbeds. They talk when they're drunk. They talk when they're trying to intimidate someone else by bragging or insinuating that they've done something. People talk
Am I the only one who doesn't give much credit to the gibberish about the man stopping to magically avoid the person who clearly could see him for the previous 20 seconds or more?
I know this is a bit of a stretch, but something is better than nothing.
In the 2009 CCTV grainy footage of the guy seen twice near to Claudia Lawrence's house, he has to me a clear limp of his right leg. Like it's deformed or a false leg from the knee down. I am disabled. I have the same walk/stride due to me having one leg shorter than the other. I noticed this right away. Then I saw a woman on another video about Claudia saying exactly the same thing. I agree with her. The guy seen twice in that footage near to Claudia's house has a right leg limp for sure.
Now, six months later. 2009. Alan Wood was murdered. The guy they are keen to find who was seen at ATM cash machines also has a significant right leg limp. This could be the same guy. In the absence of new evidence involving both crimes, a small clue might be helpful and could lead to the culprit being caught. If I was a police officer, I would look at both cases and possibly link them due to the coincidence that both CCTV videos show a guy with a prominent right leg limp. I hope this helps in some small way. No detail can be overlooked. Even if it seems unlikely.
If it is true that she was "well known in the area for multiple sexual partners who were married," then this has to be seen as an important line of enquiry, not "victim blaming."
She was 35 and single. I note she made remarks about being a "spinster," which is a negative word to use about being unmarried. At her age, time was running out. It is not unusual for a woman in this situation to have become pregnant as a desperate attempt to have a baby and/or get a man to leave his wife and marry her.
This has led to married men murdering women.
I'm afraid I think this is the most likely thing to have happened to her. I would chase down any married lover with money and status. Partly because he would have more to lose and partly because he has obviously gone to considerable lengths to hide the body. This indicates that he knows how the system works.
I bet the police do have an idea who murdered her but can't get enough evidence. The fact that the men arrested were not mentioned also suggests a more powerful man is involved in this.
The only thing that puzzles me is if gossip had it that she was "well known" to have multiple married lovers surely it would be possible to discover them all?
I wish her family and friends peace. Claudia is at peace now.
👏🏼
@Michael-bf1dt Thank you, Michael. It is important to recognise that the vast majority of men feel as you do. I appreciate your comment.
A most mysterious case indeed ✨
I was anticipating hearing the conclusions at the end of this documentary when the sound and subtitles mysteriously stops!
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How dare they, it does'nt matter what she did in her private life, she was missing.....
....are you really that thick?
They have to mention it, it was probably one of the men that was involved in her disappearance. Blame the journalists for blazing it all over papers and beefing it up to sell more of them.
It actually does matter what people do in their private lives and what kind of person they are and/or were. Relative moralism is a slippery slope Gabrielle
Well said x
I feel so sorry for the parents being in such suspense and horror mixed with hope day in and day out.
I think it all happened on her way to work because she had plans to walk out of work when her shift finished looking her very best. She packed her bag with straightners. After every working shift shes got to change into her normal clothes, I've never known any type of catering where you're allowed to start or finish and in your catering clothes. So imagine (regularly after every shift) she's just done a shift, got into her normal clothes,took off her hat and hair net that shes had on all day. She takes pride in her appearence as we can all see from years of photos and she doesn't stike as a person who'd have messy hair regardless of anything. Looking at the texture of her hair im sure it'd get a kink in it after wearing a net and hat . Even if she was just walking home from work, theres the possibility that she would see someone she knows or maybe even stop off somewhere and wanting to look her best self . Claudia packed her bag that morning just like she did every shift with her straighteners ready to leave work looking as good as she did when she first walked in. She had plans to walk out of work that day im certain. It might seem insignificant but us ladies do little things like this if we are creatures of habit and ones that take pride in our appearence 100% of the time and all the time . I don't believe this fleeing for a new life theory but i do believe that the locals have kept tight lipped about what they know.
Very sad story.
I feel for her parents and friends. They love her very much and they need closure.
I really hope they will be able to find something soon and find peace.
I’ve been following this case for years. Sometimes, out of the blue Claudia comes to my mind and I search for news about her and the case and always find nothing is new.
Light and hope to those parents, it is the worst nightmare for a parent to loose a child in such circumstances.
😢😢😢
her poor old dad, its all taken a huge toll on his health, 15 years on and he's so broken
He passed on
The convicted killer who tried to lure her into his car would have been the prime suspect would he not? How often does that happen? The police reasoning about him living 'some distance' away sounded very weak to me. A 30 or so-minute drive away is not 'some distance'.
it's pretty much next door if you have a car. Some distance would be a several hour drive.
Is it now 15yrs since poor Claudia disappeared,RIP Claudia!!!!!
Claudia's father made me cry when he said Claudias law soo sad and heartbreaking to watch
Who was the woman singing Ave Maria? She sounded absolutely amazing..so, so beautiful. Bless Claudia and all those missing in the world.
I don't understand why they had to mention Claudia's sex life. It's as if they want to run her character down for everyone to see. I hope her family get answers soon.
It's because there has been a local wall of silence over the many married men she had affairs with. The truth lies with one of them.
Because it was most likely someone from her secret sex life that abducted and murdered her. The whole investigation was hampered because she had kept that part of her life secret from her family and friends, so the police didn't find out there was another side to her life for a few weeks, that meant it was very hard to chase up possible leads. Also, as she kept it so secret it was hard to find the people she knew from that life.
@@nlwilson4892in contrast, wasn’t the investigation hampered because these men kept the secret, even knowing that Claudia was missing? They could have and should have come forward
I think as hard and shocking as it was to hear for her family and friends it was relevant to the case. Maybe the police had hoped if it was the married man who’d done something to Claudia or knew something he may be worried they were onto him and hoped he’d come forward first before they found him. Who knows?! It certainly wouldn’t have stopped me from coming forward to help if I could have done. What a single woman gets up to in her own time is none of mine or anyone else’s business quite frankly. Let’s face it, had she been a man she’d have been getting a pat on the back for having “multiple partners”!
@bn8089 Yes, even rumours it was a disgruntled wife. The Police could never win with this case - too many folk locally have an idea what happened.
This case has always intrigued me
Sorry, but no property landlord goes round to inspect their property at 05:07 am. Not a chance. Further investigation into this man needed.
Problem is he is dead.
I know like wtf at 5am
Why do your videos keep losing sound?
Such a sad story. What lovely parents and friends Claudia has.
To me, there is a pattern. Claudia was seen on video the day and evening before but not in the morning. Her phone was on and turned off in her local area. Her body was never found. To me this sounds like she never went home but went to another house in the local area in the evening and never left. Police should look into any houses in the area that had excavation/building works at that time in her local area.
Definitely
I feel so sorry for her dad. I can only imagine the pain his going through not knowing what happened to her, whether she is alive or dead. Every day he must be suffering.
The mother doesn't seem bothered at all.
God bless the family and friends and I offer condolences. I just read the story and I feel burdened in my heart. She has never been located in 15 years now.. I do think in the next world we see each other, and I believe the parents and France will be reunited in the mystery solved for them each and everyone🙏
Only two issues i have with this case:
1). The friends were clearly expecting her in the pub but neither rang nor texted her nor walked the few steps from the pub to her door to check.
Jen lives in the same house and after work did not check to see why she never came. Nor checked her after work.
Yet claudia told her mum she was going to bed early. That fits with her being tired from the night before with this other man according to Peter Oxer her co-worker. So why didn't the friends check up on her.
So was Claudia lying to her mum and not going to bed early or lying to her friends to say she was joining them but then wasn't.
So that didn't make sense.
2). Peter Oxer clearly has a close friendship with claudia to note she had a rough night with someone who was not her normal boyfriend. So who was her normal boyfriend. Was Peter indiscreet to her normal boyfriend and would this boyfriend be jealous. Could that be the man hesitating going to get a bag from his car, pausing so he is not seen and going to her house.
I also found it interesting Peter Oxer communicated at 7.27 offering to lend her his car the following morning. Did he offer to lend his car or did he offer to pick her up? Because he says earlier what if I had turned left... But then he says that hadnt been arranged... But the night before surely he would have offered a ride instead of his car. Why didnt he offer her a lift home that day at work. Why didnt he offer her his car that day at work or a lift for the following day.
The man in white has the build and stature of Paul Oxer when the man in black hesitated. Did Paul go to offer her his car in person and then by phone. Did the man in black see him and become jealous.
At 7.27pm whoever faltered, returning to get a bag is already acting suspiciously. Had his mind been made up. Was he stalking Claudia. Was he the boyfriend she had a rough night with. Was she pregnant by a married man?
But none of it adds up. Shes expected in the pub with friends but tells her mum she is tired and going to bed early. She would tell her friends she wasn't coming.
Let us assume her friends are telling the truth, were expecting her, didn't feel the need to check up on her, thought she had cried off or met someone else, then she either met up with a boyfriend or opened the door to someone she knew.
I believe her mother when she said she was going to have an early night. But she gets off work early is home shortly after 3pm. Who is she with between 3.15 and 7.15 and what is she doing.
And Peter Oxer is curious. Offers her his car but doesnt offer her a lift in the morning and goes a completely different way. Why did he go a different way? Why dud he avoid her address by rerouting?
And what if Claudia did decide to go out and see her friends in the pub. Was she dying and straightening her hair? That would explain why her white work outfit was gone. She didn't want to ruin her outfit or get dye on her clothes so she wore it to dye her hair.
And the two things used in doing her hair are gone. The work outfit and the tongs. So the tongs could be a murder weapon and the clothes link the suspect to the crime perhaps because of transfer of DNA.
The shady dark man... Does he look anything like the landlord. Who would call that early.
So 7.15 strange man seen skulking
7.27 Paul Oxer offers his car
8.30 Claudia speaks to her mum
9.12 Claudia fails to respond to a text.
05.00 to 05.40 landlord seen near house
Curca 6pm car brakes suddenly
Paul Oxer is definitely a person of interest, so is the landlord, so are the friends
Alleyway man is Alistair cooper both times ….. She was taken out the back straight into the back garden of the house behind hers that gets searched continuously and owned by the usual suspect …his brother was living there at the time …she probably went there by choice…. The house with the coded key lock next to the front door on Heworth place….. you probs know but PR as well as owning a lot of property around where Claudia lived lives in a house across the heworth road in front of her house opposite with her mate Jen King though they have now split up…. Time will tell 🤞
@@RobertLeroyParker-fi2xn Who is PR?
The sound is missing in some portions
I always pass her house through work. I hope this case is solved one day.
What if Christopher HallIwell had something to do with this disappearance i heard somewhere he went to York the heartbreaking thing as a parent is not knowing where your child is
Someone in the comments mentioned that she wouldn't have gone to work without her handbag. EXACTLY !!! She was probably murdered the night before.
well.. she was working the morning shift Id say.. so she took her rack sack. what was found at home? credit card and something ..
maybe she took a few dollars with her to work and that was enough.. left her personal property at home.. just going to work then returning straight home.
so need to take everything to work?
Unwashed dishes, her phone and chef uniform missing. She left for work.
The audio keeps dropping out!!! Its such a good documentary, but maddening!
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This is good to hear. In most murders it's often those that are close. They don't say what men she was seeing. I'm sure she would be in contact if she was alive.
So tragic. My heart breaks for her family
Badly handled from the beginning. Photos released showed her with different coloured hair. Her character maligned.. victim shaming at its worst.
100% correct, very poor police work, and blatant misogyny and victim-blaming in their own media briefings, and in subsequent news reports. Claudia Lawrence was vilely defamed as an adulteress - when she had been the victim of a heinous murder, and was not even alive to defend her reputation. These scurrilous attacks on her character piled additional agony onto her parents, sister, friends and loved ones. Her private life was exactly that.
She was a 35 year old single woman - she had made marriage vows to no one! It sickens me how double standards are applied to the sex lives of women and men. I guarantee had a man vanished in the same circumstances as Claudia, the police and media reports would have presented him as the blameless murder victim he/Claudia was. There would have been no victim blaming or 'slut shaming', as we saw directed at Claudia.
How sad her father Peter, who worked long and hard to secure justice for his murdered child, died in 2021 without seeing justice for her, or closure for himself and all who loved her.
well said.
Hope Claudia and her Dad are now together.
There is true evil in this despicable world, i have worked amongst people i thought ok but found them to be the epitamy of pure and utter evil. I've met more in other walks of life the majority more evil than good and trust no one. The lady who was her best friend is an exceptional person, you can see it in her . Hope her lovely dad can get peace im same age as him and feel for him x
So true,got to be on your guard. So many rotters becareful who you meet.
My life motto: trust no one.
@@same5952 absolutely 1 million percent
The sound kept going off and on!
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The poor dear father seems to damaged by the whole terrible ordeal.
He has passed away.
My heart hurts for him, never found the truth before passing
she would not just disappear and not tell her mum and dad,, no money or card movements,,
So utterly sad and heartbreaking.
Clearly she is dead. There is no way she went abroad on her own accord without telling her family.
You'd need your passport to fly abroad.
This case has always been one that i keep coming back to. Feel so bad for her parents. I always had a feeling that a female was involved in what happened to Claudia.
Definitely. Loads of female jealousy
Yes but qwho goess to work without their handbag?
Only people wh don't own a handbag.
She had her work clothes and her phone which she usually took in a backpack. She presumably also had her house keys. There would be no need for another bag.
She was carrying a rucksack
No one deserves to be missing or murder! The pain of losing a family member is always there and it is horrendous! I would not wish that on my worse enemy!
After this long it does seem like she may have been murdered and her body disposed of somehow (either burned or buried) making it difficult to find her. I hope that is not the case.