Yeah the American and western version are kinda twisted in that sense. I would argue that it is just fiath that saves us but true faith produces works.
@Ssamuel Vf This is what i mean. We are not saved based on what we do. however if we love him we will keep his commands. A natural reaction for somebody who has layed down their life for you and is the God of the universe is to listen to what he says.
I guess half of the people don’t understand christianity properly..By faith only u receive the spirit, by spirit only we can do works..without spirit u cannot do anything good by urself..jesus said im the vine , you are the branches, without me you cannot do anything..
@Ssamuel Vf ..i was saying generally..Our body dont hv the capacity to do the commandments, we have to receive the spirit by faith..spirit will guide us holy..Commandments were given not for salvation but to know the sin..God prepared jesus for us even before the world began..By jesus’s death old covenant has been changed, we are now under new covenant.
@@hamzz6824 Read James 2😬 “What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.” Although you are no entirely wrong, this will explain more. It’s a two way street🥲
@@hamzz6824 wrong. Look at James 2:14-26 “14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? 17 So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 Indeed someone may say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. 19 You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble. 20 Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. 23 Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.” 24 See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route? 26 For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.”
@@stonerhistory8742 Chimamanda is not being antisemitic. Ben is incorrect in his statement. Telling a Jew he is incorrect regarding another religion is not antisemitism.
@@powerofGod788 that's the problem with Christianity they interpret things how they wish, No we interpret scriptures how God commanded through prophet's.
@@teefx5681 You mean the moral law or the Jewish law? Because a common fallacy is telling Christians to follow Jewish law when Jewish law is, well, for Jews.
@@mphumelelomchunu1461 Your doctrine is also based on the Original Testament. The Marcionites were a sect that denied Tanach and were considered heretical by Christians themselves.
Said it better than me, God bless! The Gospel is the good soil, the seed is our faith in the Lord Christ, the good fruits come only from the seed planted in good soil.
Christians please answer Are all your sins forgiven trough the sacrifice or do you have to do good works ? And how many good works exactly ? I often saw Christian’s making down under religions who have to ,,work” for heaven while they are all forgiven so what now
As a Jewish believer in Jesus, I am more than surprised since I have previously agreed with just about everything Ben has said. His take on the difference between Christianity and Judaism demonstrates at best that he is significantly uninformed on this matter. A stark contrast to how informed he is otherwise. Yes, we must trust and believe in Jesus for our salvation, but if this is all there is, then how shallow and self serving this would be. But, the Good News for Ben and the rest of us is, Christianity is about so much more! This is based on the eye witnessed and documented examples that Jesus taught and lived out. As Jesus confirmed, the second greatest commandment is to love our neighbor as ourselves. What does this look like? As God and man, Jesus perfectly demonstrated this for us as He lived out His sacrificial mission while considering and caring about the interests of others before His own. Unlike all of us, everything Jesus did was for the sake of others and was motivated by His pure love. Why? Because God is love (1 John 4:7-21). As believers in Christ / Messiah, we are called to live a life worthy of the calling we have received (Ephesians 4:1-3). Jesus was (and still is) the way, the truth and the life who was also the Master at demonstrating what a life of love, service, and purpose should look like. He equipped those who trust in Him with the Fruit of the Spirit so we can bless others on God's terms and not our own. As believers in Christ, we are called to live out His will not only in our lives, but also in ways that He wants to use us to bless others. Ben covered the first greatest commandment, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." Since Jesus immediately followed up with confirming the second greatest commandment because of how important it is to Him and for us to live out, I hope Ben will look into, consider and become informed about the other parts of what Messiah Jesus was and still is all about. As was and is the case for me and all of humanity, if Ben will one day choose to admit he could be wrong and in need of God's forgiveness, then pray and ask God to reveal the truth to him, Ben will then be ready to begin his worthy journey. But, only if he does so with an open heart and mind, as free of other agendas as possible. In this case and as Ben stops leaning on his own understanding so he can receive God's (Proverbs 3:5,6), it will be impossible for this journey to not change his heart and life for the better and forever.
Does Loving your neighbor apply only to loving them if they're Christian? Or only white? Or only American? Or only if they're Republican? Do Palestinians count as "neighbors?" They're not the ones fighting. They're the ones being massacred though. Not ONE Palestinian has lifted a gun to an Israeli, yet Israel still murders them with Christians blessing them, with Christians telling them that they support them. Support the Jews? Who believe that Christians are Pagans and Idol Worshippers and who are going to Hell? That Muslims will go to heaven but Christians are ALL going to hell? You support them? These people who have murdered thirteen thousand children in just four months. In the Russian/Ukrainian war, that has been fought over two years, 500 children have been killed. The world condemns it. Terrible, Horrible, etc. 500 children. 13 thousand children killed in four months and not a damn word from ANY of our so called leaders? Wow. Oh I guess killing thirteen thousand children is okay cause they're "God's Chosen" right? Right!!!
Catholic Christians believe in Faith and Works. Both. Essential. We need to back up our faith with works. St James tells us - "Faith without works is dead."
Catholics aren't right in that aspect. To get into Heaven you need to have total faith in Christ and "be saved" as many call it which we know by the fruits of a person. Have they not been saved, they will not bring good fruits. Have they been saved, they will bring good fruits (keep the commandments and so on).
Lee, to be fair an awful lot of Christians are basically clueless about Christianity. It's a broad spectrum of belief and comprehension ranging from 'Jesus saved my soul and expects me to do good' all the way down to 'Jesus died for my sins so now that I'm saved I can do anything I want.'
@@shmataboro8634 Yes but you haven't understand is that they're not all Christianity. Christianity requires three things of a person and if you don't meet those requirements or at least try to strive toward them not really a Christian you're disclaiming to be. There are people who are just clueless though
@@mukhumorJews aren't religious. The ones who are , are nice people. They Don't Accept Jesus but they believe in Non violence and follow the commandments truthfully. While Christians claim to be Religious but don't follow anything that the Bible talks about . The Greek Bible is totally different from the King James version. About Palestine.. we see that the kingdom of Israel did exist in the middle East but was SUPER TINY. Jews were taken to different Countries in search of Jobs or Slaves. So ye they don't own Palestine or 70% of the other territory they own.
As a Christian I have faith. I also understand that a real Christian that obeying God and following the example that Jesus taught expresses your live for God and Christ. If you live them you will obey them.
Woah I love Ben but this isn’t biblically correct. The word says countless times to act accordingly becoming a new man and leave the things of the world behind, James 2:24 says “…that person is saved by works and not by faith alone”
@@Yep809 Sure but his point was that Christians think its not about works but instead, rely on God's grace which is not at all what the new testament actually attempts to say even though his point is factual in that most Christians do think you don't have to show works. My point was and is that as a christian to really believe that messiah came as Jesus you will have many changes that will impact how you behave and in the things you do.(works) If you say you're a christian but there's nothing that separates you from this world you may not truly believe and you cannot be saved unless you truly believe. Hence my original comment, he may not know but christians are supposed to show works. Blessings!
@@tiredcandy3009 Paul, a writer of 1/3 of the new testament, does argue that faith without deeds is what Christians should do instead of faith with deeds. He also is noted in the new testament as arguing with the other apostles very often, so clearly he didn't get along with them on things.
@@Bittzen i dont think thats true. If you can provide scripture that would be great. the bible does talk about salvation cant be obtained by woerks or deeds in ephesians 2 but in james it says that you show your belief by works. All these things are said by those who dont like true christianity and also by christians that use these same narratives to remain the same way and to not make any sort of change.
@@tiredcandy3009 Paul addresses people who believe that their works are preeminent and make them worthy. We must have faith in God, and our work is to satisfy His commandments, and glorify Him.
I'm Catholic and know that many Protestants are adamantly "faith alone" but they still make acts of charity and good will. I think they don't want to take any credit for their salvation, all glory to Jesus alone. It's part of our doctrine so we preach it and teach it but we know there is no salvation outside Christ
Ben Shapiro is actually talking about the protestant view point of christianity and many people are not bothered to check about the catholic and orthodox view point that contains the teachings of early christian theology and beliefs.
When he says "Everything flows there from" I think he gets it right. The idea in Christianity is that only faith is necesary to accept the free gift of salvation and then the salvation is transformative of the person's life. You are accepting the transformation that will change your life rather than performing it as you do in Judaism.
@@ZIbroweed ive heard a few rabbies give advice on tv and in person where they say to be a honorable, kind , and truthful person and youll be fine in life and in the end you'll have nothing to worry about. Ive never heard that from anyone but maybe a few Buddhist, Hindus and thats it. The fact that a god desires attention over actions says their god is a modern independent woman that wants to spend your money.
In Christianity, there are two separate issues - faith and acts. First is the issue of salvation, which is by grace through faith alone in Jesus, God’s righteousness. Second is obedience, acting like a child of God, albeit imperfectly, which is why we need a Savior in the first place.
@@InhabitantOfOddworld it is the same. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 …
@@ojokagiso219 No, they're not the same. You badly misunderstand what those passages are saying if you're a faith-only heretic. You bear good fruit through works, not mere belief
Ben, you are SO close. What you are missing is that we still follow the commandments, but through Spirit instead of Flesh. Flesh states eye for an eye, Spirit states forgiveness through love. Love God and Love your neighbor, these actually cover ALL of the Law.
That’s just what I was thinking. This is the same guy who said that the civil war was an apology. The South fought to death to apologize? He’s the last person in the world that should talk religion. He just doesn’t strike me as a loving person.
@@altasaunders8605You make no sense you need both to make sense into both.Jesus had to show compassion and love and action to cure the sick I rest my case.
@@powerofGod788 He made perfect sense! He never contradicted you, he simply stated the opposite of the Love'worshippers! As you stated, God is both an emotion/attitude and an action of fulfillment of the emotion/attitude. Most people get really hung up on the emotion/attitude part. Altasaunders was simply counterbalancing it. The vast majority of people stay to one extreme or the other, either all emotion or all action. its about the balance, as you correctly suggested.
As a christian, It is widely misunderstood. By accepting / Believing in Jesus, You will follow the teachings and act the way God sets us to be (Loving / Forgiving). you can always act loving / servicing / Forgiving, but accepting / Believing in Jesus will Naturally take over your life and your actions, ways and persona will change, in Jesus Name!!! That my friend is a Force from above that is unexplainable Love yous all God Bless!!! 💙
Saying you believe in Christ , going to church, and putting some cash in the basket is easy. Changing your behavior and acting / living in a Godly manner everyday, is not. The world is full of pretenders. It takes effort, patience, understanding and a true love for God to consistently serve others without any benefit to yourself. That does not come naturally imho.
The point is that Jews think people go to heaven or purgatory based on how they behave in life, not what label they wear and what aesthetics they pray to. They don't even think being Jewish to begin with gets them any perks over a Hindu or an atheist who lived by good principles and did good works. Christians think only people who wear their label get to heaven and others go to permanent hell even if they lived by good principles but just stuck with Hinduism instead of Jesus.
@Skytube not all Christians think exactly the same way. Christian Catholic s follow up Jewish tradition on purgatory as well, mainly because Roman, Orthodox, Coptic Christians don't follow the Bible modified by just one German man in XVIth century.
Jews don’t believe in Jesus. The main difference. Jesus gives the gentiles a chance to get to god through him. Jews last messenger was Moses. You worship a pagan god in Jesus to them. You’re closer to Islam than Judaism. Lot of killing and forced military service. So nice knowing these holy people uphold the commandments
The difference between Judaism and Christianity is Jesus, Christianity believes Jesus was the messiah and son of god while Judaism believes that Jesus was not the messiah. 💯💯 other than that both religions are strikingly similar.
100% asgree, I was being a little facetious. I love Ben, but his self righteousness is saddening. I would love to see him come to Christ and recognise his Messiah. @frazieromondi9331
@frazieromondi9331Through the blood of Jesus. God cannot ignore his justice because he's graceful. That's the whole point of animal sacrifice, the animals dying in our place whenever we sin.
This might be what Ben meant when he said "Everything flows there from." Also, I would argue that Christians don't "have to" live out their faith through actions so much as Christians believe that through faith they are offered a new life by which they can stop living in death and start living in life. To not live out your faith is to simply not live the gift you were offered and instead live the life you were saved from having to live.
This is basically the problem I see with any religion trying to explain another person's religion, they all seem to get it wrong. Accepting Christ as our savior also means striving to be Christ like, following the teaching of Jesus and loving all as Jesus taught, we all fall short of this, God knows this and is why he sent his son to shed his blood for our short comings which brings us back to believing in Jesus Christ as our savior and redeamer...
You think Ben Shapiro hasnt read the bible? He may be wrong, or misinterpreting something, which MANY people of all faith, including Christians do. But u seriously think he hasnt read the bible? Lol. And dont call people"bro" it makes you sound completely unintelligent
@@user-wr9ej6xe4jBen wouldn't agree that Bar and Ben both mean Son. He only wants to believe that Ben means son, yet nobody has ever had a Benmitsvah before. 😢
This is just one of the ways that people like Ben Shapiro demonstrate that they aren't as "smart" (according to someone in the comments) as they want to protray. I really can't defend those christians who DO go around saying that Christianity is only faith based, but this are mostly protestant evangelicals, and that denomination does not keep most of the christian tradition. But christianity from it's origins has been about both faith and works.
We as Christians believe that righteousness does not come from the Law. All your righteous acts are like filthy rags before God and does not take away your sin-guilt and eternal punishment. It's only through faith in Jesus Christ in which His perfect righteousness is imputed to you, so that God will see you as righteous. I suggest that you read both the book of Romans and Galatians.
that's the difference between judaism and *protestant* christianity, you've still have catholic christianity and orthodox christianity, which are action based as well
If you called yourself Christian read this and follow Ephesians 2:8-9 (UKJV) For by grace are all of you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Where the church cherry picks and chooses which deeds you need to perform and not perform, which laws to follow and not follow from the old testament. Also, that seems to contradict what Paul, the writer of 1/3 of the new testament and the author of the earliest writings of the new testament, Paul talks about faith without deeds being better than faith with deeds. He literally goes on talking about Genesis where Abraham was going to offer his son Isaac to God and somehow ignored that God says in the text that Abraham was considered righteous by the display of his faith in God by doing what God says and going up to offer his son, as God commanded.
@@teefx5681 He did say father why have you forsaken me.He clearly says many times that he has a father.Have you ever even read the Bible clearly you have not?
@@powerofGod788 he calls Israel my first born, he calls David my Begotten son he calls moses God he calls the devil God. They are not literal. Westerners never understood the culture of middle east, Asia and Africa so they enforced western views on a scriptures. Go Asia everyone calls strangers uncles and girls big sister if they are elder doesn't make it literal just as respect was of addressing.
Actually... the big difference is whether or not they believe the Messiah has already come. The Jewish people who aren’t Messianic Jews just haven’t accepted Christ as their Messiah. Many Jews have accepted Christ as the foretold Messiah who takes away the sin of the world. The Jewish Messiah has come and His name is Jesus!!
Christianity is acts and faith based. Two things can be true at once. We are saved by grace through FAITH and not by works lest you should boast. But, AFTER we are saved and in the sanctification process of salvation, "FAITH without works is DEAD". So SALVATION is by grace through faith. The EVIDENCE of having been saved is a change in behaviours or works. And SANCTIFICATION is the ongoing process of becoming more Christ like and enduring to the end. Don't confuse the event of salvation with the ongoing process of sanctification.
Wrong again little man. Christianity is about Christ's perfected work and the free gift there of, something you nor any man can acheive. All men fall short of the glory of God. The wages of sin is death but the gift of grace is eternal life. Only through the Lord Jesus!
When you accept Jesus, you literally are so grateful for the grace of God, Christians willingly want to follow the laws, not because they need to, because they love God and want to obey with their heart.
I see it less as an act of gratefulness and more the reality of salvation. As I see it what you are being saved from isn't just the after-death penalty for sin but from a lifetime of living in that same kind of death. If at the point of salvation you don't want to live a better life then you don't understand what you're being offered salvation from. Sinful actions are infused with death and destruction, so living in them is like a nearly drowned person whose been fished out of a stormy sea and into a dry boat going back for a quick swim.
This is probably the first time I've ever disagreed with Ben. Christianity is not just based on faith. He has a very limited understanding of Christianity if he thinks that.
As a Christian, I have to agree: we are accepted by Jesus, and, as he said to the woman caught in adultery, "Go, and sin no more." The acceptance of Christ is not the be all and end all, but the first step on the road to perfection. The difference is, that we become part of the family, first and forever, then work out 'the bugs' in our characters. Been working on it for 50 years and I'm better, but not there yet.
In other words Judaism is works based, as they strive to perfect themselves by way of The Law. In Christian, Christ fulfilled The Law; no longer are Temple sacrifices necessary because Jesus is the eternal sacrifice. The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Jews continue to strive towards perfection by maintaining The Law, while Christians strive to live a more perfect life by following the one who has kept The Law to perfection, the One Who is The Word made flesh (John 1:14)!
I want to add something to that. Works are indeed part of the Christian walk as well showing that God has truly done a work in our life! It's very refreshing to hear you be able to describe what both Judaism and Christianity focuses on. It's important we get back to the Christian Judeo ethics!!
Luther's idea of removing books from the original Bible, introduced great divide between Jewish tradition and followers of Jesus. Luther considered these 7 books " too Jewish" for Christians to follow. Catholics and Orthodox church still keep the original Bible.
@Nexus Inc. Good question! Many folks ponder the same thing. Perhaps start with Jesus' "Sermon On The Mount"? His words might shed a bit of Light on your query. 🙏 🤲
He's talking about the by faith alone doctrine that's adopted by many non denominational and protestant churches but most churches believe that faith without works is dead
Christians also have free well, when we receive God's grace, and it is like a compass that directs us through our life and it is joy filled, rewarding, path. We never lose our given ability to choose, we are not lumps of coal once we receive Christ. We are alive in Christ making great decisions and choices.
@@powerofGod788 that's her entire point that people have free will even as Christians and we don't become, as she put it, lumps of coal. No, he didn't get directed or guided by Jesus to make the choice he made, but he did have the free will to choose his sin over Jesus Christ and over his wife. God doesn't force anyone to do anything.
@@powerofGod788 We are forgiven. God has forgiven our sins past, present, and future. That's what Romans chapters 6 through 8 is talking about. How we are saved and we are forgiven but that doesn't mean we should just do whatever we want when we want and sin all the time and not care. Some people care a lot about having a personal relationship with God and it pushes them to try to live better, and some people don't. Christians accept the free gift of eternal salvation and afterwards how they act and live is their choice, buy God will never redact salvation or His love for us. We are forgiven, and that is a beautiful thing that we should all be eternally grateful for. 'Hall pass' or not
@@ssbekind You must pass thru the father to get to Jesus stop your ignorance.Jesus did say keep my father's commandments your ignorant hall pass won't fly.The son clearly is just the right hand he has given us a chance but not a hall pass.Christians are misled with one scripture read more seriously.He came to try and make us to be successful like him not treat his death as a game.Thats why most Christians sin because of this loop hole.Seems something was changed to comfort mans sin.But I'm not buying your religions hall pass.This why I'm not choosing any religion why?Well God has no religion he will not care if you was a Christian period.
As a Christian, a Catholic to be specific I disagree with the notion that Christianity is purely "faith based". Maybe Ben needs to study Catholicism so he can get that concept of his corrected.
The Catholic Church has taken it's time to kill Jews, non-Catholic Christians, Muslims, Pagans, etc. He would just look at this fact, laugh, and leave.
So glad, we can dialogue, christians are called to live our faith and deliver all Praise to God. Thanks for all your open conversation , this brings all The Lord's children home🙏
@@stonerhistory8742 what facts did he say he's clearly just saying what he knows and btw we're are not allowed to sin. Jesus said in Mathew 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Jesus also said in Mathew 6:5 When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most certainly, I tell you, they have received their reward.
Ben is talking about certain Christians who get so hung up on the doctrine of faith that they talk like he says. It's just as true there are other Christians who dispute that oversimplified view. Ben is a guy who actually listens and tries to understand other people. How many Christians try to understand the Jewish view of the Old testament as opposed to the Christian view of the Old testament?
You mean like how Christians go all over the world telling people their religion is incorrect and they need to convert? As if everyone before Christianity burned in hell for their beliefs?
Judaism talks about offering (act) similarly Christianity talks about having a genuine feeling to make offering (also act but with it coming from place of repentance)
That's one of the best (or the best) comments thus far......but you must be born again Jesus said, (baptized) into the new covenant or your not in (HIS KINGDOM of salvation through faith.
@@starriseskylool, "saturn deity" yeah right, and athiesm is about? Pluto worship?? Lol. Thankfully Muslims don't worship or represent God as a Black cube, nor do we have alot of rituals, just praying and Hajj. Saturn is all about hardwork and discipline?? Since when did Saturn have virtues? Do u think saturn is alive? Or do you take him as your god? 🤣
@@starrisesky i mean, Not in the slightest? Cus we also pray in the direction of the Ka'ba, pretty sure the planets don't pray to them. And there nothing mentioned about Saturn in Islam lol. And the fact that such a Book like Qur'an exists, which is filled with miricles, right from the fact of the atom, to modern day embryology, how baby is formed, to the earth, moon and suns orbits around the milkyway, the eloquence and the baffling language, the incredible predictions. I mean This "saturnist" Religion is a clear truth then XF
@@starrisesky welll but if we really worshipped Saturn, why woudlnt we just... Worship the PLACE where Saturn is RIGHTNOW?? There are apps like starwalk2, which gives you the live data of all planets where the sun is Etc. Just out of curiosity, since we to the tawaf roun the Ka'ba, how is it that we don't worship the ",sun" wE rEPreSeNt ThE pLaNeTS orBitInG tHE sUN" Lol, Brother. I am a muslim, and i know who I worship, GOD Almighty Alone, ALLAH Subhana-ta'alah the creator of the world's. Legislator of the day of judgement, The creator of the heavens and the galaxies, the Sun, creator of Saturn, Of Jupiter, ruler over All the dimensions that exist.known and Unknown. He gave us a test, which was to be In this world,do Good, Worship him. That's our only purpose.
Impossible by our own strength yes but we should still try to live like our Lord Jesus in righteousness so we can be more like Him cause were the Body of Christ
Wrong. Jesus christ is trash. And doesn't teach yall anything but death. YAHUSHA the Hebrew Messiah says different. Matthew 5:48 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father(YHVH/YAHUAH) in heaven is perfect.
He sums it up really well, but I’d like to mention that 1: once you have accepted Jesus, you start doing the right thing since you have the spirit to prompt you, and 2: no amount of works can ever be enough without faith bc we aren’t perfect
I’m glad Ben brought up this point. I feel as if a lot of Christians have not read the book of James. (James 2 for those that wanna read it and yes, you need to read this whole chapter for full understanding. I’ll put the last verse of James 2 below this) James 2:26 RSV • For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead. •
No Christianity requires acts to evidence the faith and willingness to follow the commandments. Without a desire to work with God to follow the Commandments we wouldn’t be sorry for breaking them. If we don’t have a desire to try to follow the commandments then we wouldn’t be repentant for sins; without repentance there is no forgiveness and therefore no salvation. Justification: God considers you sinless and saved when you accept the truth and agree to follow Him Sanctification: we work with God (God gives us power) to try to keep the 10 Commandments and over time our character improves
I think Ben gets it more or less right here. When Jesus taught he focused on faith and taught that a transformed life (also known as salvation) would flow from a genuine faith. The good works are a gift from God to humans in Christianity. God awards salvation from evil to those who have faith. In Judaism the good works are a gift from humans to God. They are the source of the relationship rather than the outcome of it.
@@wip3z531 Yes, but the covenant as laid out in the New Testament in some ways over-writes the covenant with Israel in the Old Testament. This is evidenced by Peter being offered the sheet full of unclean animals and being instructed to "kill and eat." The new Testament sets out a new rule set that includes gentiles and doesn't require the careful following of every letter of the Old Testament law as Paul demonstrates when he is more lax with certain aspects of the law while ministering to Greeks and as Jesus demonstrates when he regularly disregards strict practice of the formal law while holding an even higher moral standard for interpersonal relationships and internal dialogue. In the new Testament faith in Christ in central and good works flow naturally from that faith without the rigid structure that was previously required. I think part of what creates the divide is that some of the earliest books of the Old Testament were the people of Israel's civil law. They were the legal standard required for a nation to operate somewhat functionally without a formal government. In the new Testament they were all living under Roman civil law, so while many of the principles still applied they didn't need the extensive codification and could start living based on principles rather than Biblical litigation.
As a Christian, I respond to the sacrifice of love Jesus showed to me by dying for my sins. My response is to allow His spirit to Dwell in me and love others through me. I accept His plan for my life and live for Him.
Funny how he doesn’t mention who “killed” Jesus obviously he knows yet wants to ponder on why there is no difference between the 2 when in reality they killed Christians god “Jesus”
Yes, that is the difference between them..... Christianity is faith based. Judaism is works based. With Christianity, when you have accepted Jesus and have faith, the natural outflowing of the faith and love for God/Jesus is the natural desire to help others, to do as Jesus speaks about in the bible for others. So.... both do good things for others, but one pours out from their acceptance & faith of the Lord, the other is definite decisions to do things in order to be accepted by the Lord in their belief.
As a Jew, Jesus taught the Tanakh, kept the Jewish Sabbath. After his death the Jewish Sabbath was taken from them exchanged for Sun god (halo) amun-ra the black sabbath sacrificed children. As We do. For our viewing pleasure we now have on hand in Washington d.c. straight from Babylonia, the arch of Baal, and the children are the sacrifice. We fight the same battle today. Ignorance of God's plan. Our priests are no priests, priestlings they are called
There are so many Christians and also Catholics that think just accepting Jesus as your savior is enough for your salvation but when you are born again and you take the name of Jesus, your actions are supposed to be that of Jesus.
Read the books that Jesus read. And as a Jew Jesus followed one God and he has one Sabbath. That Sabbath was stolen from the Christians by the first Roman emperor Constantine. They were encouraged to rest on the day of the Sun God amun-ra and to work on The Jewish Sabbath as is still the case today. Stolen Souls worshipping and being taught by rote, is God, Sun god,Amun-ra, Baal.
I feel if someone is Jewish, Christian, Islam, etc. It ultimately shows they are looking for truth and self improvement.. And shouldn't be persecuted for it. Force in religion only causes chaos.
No, religion 100% separates from God and is no evidence for seeking out truth and self improvement. We are all born with a conscience, meaning with knowledge, and we reject reality and truth and degrade our conscience when we worship religion and created rather than the creator. Jesus never came here for theology - He came for cardiology.
When different religions ime together a honest conversation would go like this... I think your going to hell I think your going to hell I think your going to hell
The funny thing about this is that Christianity says you cannot earn your way to to heaven by good works, but still expects followers to do the good works. Your good works will show people how great Christianity is and maybe get people to follow your faith.
Faith without work is dead -book of James New Testament
Yeah the American and western version are kinda twisted in that sense. I would argue that it is just fiath that saves us but true faith produces works.
But James was a follower of Jesus.. Pauls theology is different
@Ssamuel Vf This is what i mean. We are not saved based on what we do. however if we love him we will keep his commands. A natural reaction for somebody who has layed down their life for you and is the God of the universe is to listen to what he says.
I guess half of the people don’t understand christianity properly..By faith only u receive the spirit, by spirit only we can do works..without spirit u cannot do anything good by urself..jesus said im the vine , you are the branches, without me you cannot do anything..
@Ssamuel Vf ..i was saying generally..Our body dont hv the capacity to do the commandments, we have to receive the spirit by faith..spirit will guide us holy..Commandments were given not for salvation but to know the sin..God prepared jesus for us even before the world began..By jesus’s death old covenant has been changed, we are now under new covenant.
Christians aren't just about faith alone, people!
no ben is right stop being antisemitic
“…and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast” (Eph. 2:8-9). Faith alone
@@hamzz6824 Read James 2😬 “What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.” Although you are no entirely wrong, this will explain more. It’s a two way street🥲
@@hamzz6824 wrong. Look at James 2:14-26
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What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
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If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,
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and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?
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So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
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Indeed someone may say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
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You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
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Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
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Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
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You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
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Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.”
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See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
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And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?
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For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.”
@@stonerhistory8742 Chimamanda is not being antisemitic. Ben is incorrect in his statement. Telling a Jew he is incorrect regarding another religion is not antisemitism.
Being a Christian is believing in Christ and also following his commands. It's not just faith based.
Well most believe the apposed look at the reality it's sad glad you do works.
Never met a Christian who follows the old commandments
@@teefx5681 New doesn't mean your correct how you interpreted it.
@@powerofGod788 that's the problem with Christianity they interpret things how they wish, No we interpret scriptures how God commanded through prophet's.
@@teefx5681 You mean the moral law or the Jewish law? Because a common fallacy is telling Christians to follow Jewish law when Jewish law is, well, for Jews.
He talks about Christianity as if Christianity is Protestantism alone! We, Orthodox and Catholics believe that faith and works are one.
Christianity does allow it for Salvation, only in the great white throne judgment - for Rewards in Heaven
Christians aren’t just about faith alone. You show faith to your lord & savior through your actions & you way of living.
Spot on explanation, show God through yourself in everyday life
Then why don't Christians keep the Shabat and eat cosher?
@@davidcohenboffa1666 One thing I feel many people forget or just don't know about Christianity is that our doctrine is based on the New Testament.
@@mphumelelomchunu1461 Your doctrine is also based on the Original Testament. The Marcionites were a sect that denied Tanach and were considered heretical by Christians themselves.
And that is???? With all love I ask
Faith is the tree and acts (works) are the fruit.
Works meaning the law Jesus abolished.
@@PatientPerspective Jesus did not abolish the law.
@@PatientPerspective
Jesus completed the law
Said it better than me, God bless! The Gospel is the good soil, the seed is our faith in the Lord Christ, the good fruits come only from the seed planted in good soil.
Christians please answer Are all your sins forgiven trough the sacrifice or do you have to do good works ? And how many good works exactly ? I often saw Christian’s making down under religions who have to ,,work” for heaven while they are all forgiven so what now
As a Jewish believer in Jesus, I am more than surprised since I have previously agreed with just about everything Ben has said. His take on the difference between Christianity and Judaism demonstrates at best that he is significantly uninformed on this matter. A stark contrast to how informed he is otherwise. Yes, we must trust and believe in Jesus for our salvation, but if this is all there is, then how shallow and self serving this would be. But, the Good News for Ben and the rest of us is, Christianity is about so much more! This is based on the eye witnessed and documented examples that Jesus taught and lived out. As Jesus confirmed, the second greatest commandment is to love our neighbor as ourselves. What does this look like? As God and man, Jesus perfectly demonstrated this for us as He lived out His sacrificial mission while considering and caring about the interests of others before His own. Unlike all of us, everything Jesus did was for the sake of others and was motivated by His pure love. Why? Because God is love (1 John 4:7-21). As believers in Christ / Messiah, we are called to live a life worthy of the calling we have received (Ephesians 4:1-3). Jesus was (and still is) the way, the truth and the life who was also the Master at demonstrating what a life of love, service, and purpose should look like. He equipped those who trust in Him with the Fruit of the Spirit so we can bless others on God's terms and not our own. As believers in Christ, we are called to live out His will not only in our lives, but also in ways that He wants to use us to bless others. Ben covered the first greatest commandment, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." Since Jesus immediately followed up with confirming the second greatest commandment because of how important it is to Him and for us to live out, I hope Ben will look into, consider and become informed about the other parts of what Messiah Jesus was and still is all about. As was and is the case for me and all of humanity, if Ben will one day choose to admit he could be wrong and in need of God's forgiveness, then pray and ask God to reveal the truth to him, Ben will then be ready to begin his worthy journey. But, only if he does so with an open heart and mind, as free of other agendas as possible. In this case and as Ben stops leaning on his own understanding so he can receive God's (Proverbs 3:5,6), it will be impossible for this journey to not change his heart and life for the better and forever.
hallelujah !! very well said 🕊💕🙏🏻💯
You cant be a jew who accepts Jesus. If so then you’re a christian
Does Loving your neighbor apply only to loving them if they're Christian? Or only white? Or only American? Or only if they're Republican? Do Palestinians count as "neighbors?" They're not the ones fighting. They're the ones being massacred though. Not ONE Palestinian has lifted a gun to an Israeli, yet Israel still murders them with Christians blessing them, with Christians telling them that they support them. Support the Jews? Who believe that Christians are Pagans and Idol Worshippers and who are going to Hell? That Muslims will go to heaven but Christians are ALL going to hell? You support them? These people who have murdered thirteen thousand children in just four months. In the Russian/Ukrainian war, that has been fought over two years, 500 children have been killed. The world condemns it. Terrible, Horrible, etc. 500 children. 13 thousand children killed in four months and not a damn word from ANY of our so called leaders? Wow. Oh I guess killing thirteen thousand children is okay cause they're "God's Chosen" right? Right!!!
you are brilliant! thank you for this comment- god bless you!
simply search up Rabbi Tovia Singer if you care about the TRUTH
The difference is GRACE. One lacks it, the other possesses it.
Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Grace preceded Judaism.
Exactly Jews fundamentally believe they are superior to other people. They believe they are Gods chosen people.
You hit the nail on the head with this one. Exactly right.
Catholic Christians believe in Faith and Works. Both. Essential. We need to back up our faith with works. St James tells us - "Faith without works is dead."
There is no such thing as a 'Catholic Christian'
Catholics worship a different jesus. Period
@@toolegittoquit_001 keep telling yourself that
Catholics aren't right in that aspect. To get into Heaven you need to have total faith in Christ and "be saved" as many call it which we know by the fruits of a person. Have they not been saved, they will not bring good fruits. Have they been saved, they will bring good fruits (keep the commandments and so on).
❤❤❤ Exactly!❤❤❤
@TooLegit ToQuit Yes we do. The real Jesus.
Not the one based on King James' changes to our Bible.
It's peculiar how someone so smart like Ben Shapiro completely missed the point of Christianity.
Lee, to be fair an awful lot of Christians are basically clueless about Christianity. It's a broad spectrum of belief and comprehension ranging from 'Jesus saved my soul and expects me to do good' all the way down to 'Jesus died for my sins so now that I'm saved I can do anything I want.'
Ben is fantastic at missing points. His whole shtick is based on being “selective” about which points to miss.
He has to if he wants to remain a Jew.
There's absolutely no point to be missed 🤣
@@shmataboro8634 Yes but you haven't understand is that they're not all Christianity. Christianity requires three things of a person and if you don't meet those requirements or at least try to strive toward them not really a Christian you're disclaiming to be. There are people who are just clueless though
I was taught as a Christian that we follow the commandments too
'Ixrael is full of people who don't believe in god but believe god gave them Palestine'. Illan Pappe.
@@mukhumorJews aren't religious. The ones who are , are nice people. They Don't Accept Jesus but they believe in Non violence and follow the commandments truthfully. While Christians claim to be Religious but don't follow anything that the Bible talks about . The Greek Bible is totally different from the King James version.
About Palestine.. we see that the kingdom of Israel did exist in the middle East but was SUPER TINY. Jews were taken to different Countries in search of Jobs or Slaves. So ye they don't own Palestine or 70% of the other territory they own.
As a Christian I have faith. I also understand that a real Christian that obeying God and following the example that Jesus taught expresses your live for God and Christ. If you live them you will obey them.
Woah I love Ben but this isn’t biblically correct. The word says countless times to act accordingly becoming a new man and leave the things of the world behind, James 2:24 says “…that person is saved by works and not by faith alone”
Yeah it might say that in the New Testament but Jews don’t accept it because in the Torah the New Testament is contradicted. So yeah…
@@Yep809 Sure but his point was that Christians think its not about works but instead, rely on God's grace which is not at all what the new testament actually attempts to say even though his point is factual in that most Christians do think you don't have to show works. My point was and is that as a christian to really believe that messiah came as Jesus you will have many changes that will impact how you behave and in the things you do.(works) If you say you're a christian but there's nothing that separates you from this world you may not truly believe and you cannot be saved unless you truly believe. Hence my original comment, he may not know but christians are supposed to show works.
Blessings!
@@tiredcandy3009 Paul, a writer of 1/3 of the new testament, does argue that faith without deeds is what Christians should do instead of faith with deeds. He also is noted in the new testament as arguing with the other apostles very often, so clearly he didn't get along with them on things.
@@Bittzen i dont think thats true. If you can provide scripture that would be great.
the bible does talk about salvation cant be obtained by woerks or deeds in ephesians 2 but in james it says that you show your belief by works.
All these things are said by those who dont like true christianity and also by christians that use these same narratives to remain the same way and to not make any sort of change.
@@tiredcandy3009 Paul addresses people who believe that their works are preeminent and make them worthy. We must have faith in God, and our work is to satisfy His commandments, and glorify Him.
Yeah but he didn’t described Christian’s
Yea he did
Exactly
He pretty much described Protestant Christianity
I'm Catholic and know that many Protestants are adamantly "faith alone" but they still make acts of charity and good will. I think they don't want to take any credit for their salvation, all glory to Jesus alone. It's part of our doctrine so we preach it and teach it but we know there is no salvation outside Christ
Ben Shapiro is actually talking about the protestant view point of christianity and many people are not bothered to check about the catholic and orthodox view point that contains the teachings of early christian theology and beliefs.
The greatest gift isn't even Faith, it is Love.
Finally someone said it.
He just wrongfully simplified Christianity big time… it’s faith and acts actually
Doesn't Bem believe in Jesus?
@@pepedestroyer5974 not really, Jewish don’t believe Jesus is God in flesh.
Wrong. The idea that acts can help in salvation is considered a heresy in Christianity. Christian salvation is exclusively faith based.
When he says "Everything flows there from" I think he gets it right. The idea in Christianity is that only faith is necesary to accept the free gift of salvation and then the salvation is transformative of the person's life. You are accepting the transformation that will change your life rather than performing it as you do in Judaism.
@@ZIbroweed ive heard a few rabbies give advice on tv and in person where they say to be a honorable, kind , and truthful person and youll be fine in life and in the end you'll have nothing to worry about. Ive never heard that from anyone but maybe a few Buddhist, Hindus and thats it. The fact that a god desires attention over actions says their god is a modern independent woman that wants to spend your money.
In Christianity, there are two separate issues - faith and acts. First is the issue of salvation, which is by grace through faith alone in Jesus, God’s righteousness. Second is obedience, acting like a child of God, albeit imperfectly, which is why we need a Savior in the first place.
Only according to protestants is it through "faith alone"
@@InhabitantOfOddworld nah, it is the same.
@Ojo Kagiso
No it's not. Catholic and orthodox say that it's through faith *and* good works
@@InhabitantOfOddworld it is the same.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 …
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No, they're not the same. You badly misunderstand what those passages are saying if you're a faith-only heretic. You bear good fruit through works, not mere belief
You know the beauty of knowing that God is talking to it's not the religion it's the experience of the communication that you have with him
Ben, you are SO close. What you are missing is that we still follow the commandments, but through Spirit instead of Flesh. Flesh states eye for an eye, Spirit states forgiveness through love. Love God and Love your neighbor, these actually cover ALL of the Law.
Love without action is meaningless
That’s just what I was thinking. This is the same guy who said that the civil war was an apology. The South fought to death to apologize?
He’s the last person in the world that should talk religion. He just doesn’t strike me as a loving person.
Actually action without love is nothing
@@altasaunders8605You make no sense you need both to make sense into both.Jesus had to show compassion and love and action to cure the sick I rest my case.
@@altasaunders8605 Never thought of it that way… very interesting! Thank you!
@@powerofGod788 He made perfect sense! He never contradicted you, he simply stated the opposite of the Love'worshippers! As you stated, God is both an emotion/attitude and an action of fulfillment of the emotion/attitude. Most people get really hung up on the emotion/attitude part. Altasaunders was simply counterbalancing it. The vast majority of people stay to one extreme or the other, either all emotion or all action. its about the balance, as you correctly suggested.
As a christian, It is widely misunderstood. By accepting / Believing in Jesus, You will follow the teachings and act the way God sets us to be (Loving / Forgiving).
you can always act loving / servicing / Forgiving, but accepting / Believing in Jesus will Naturally take over your life and your actions, ways and persona will change, in Jesus Name!!! That my friend is a Force from above that is unexplainable
Love yous all
God Bless!!! 💙
Saying you believe in Christ , going to church, and putting some cash in the basket is easy. Changing your behavior and acting / living in a Godly manner everyday, is not. The world is full of pretenders. It takes effort, patience, understanding and a true love for God to consistently serve others without any benefit to yourself. That does not come naturally imho.
Many people who claim they're already saved, do wrong things. Just because Jesus died for us, doesn't mean we don't have to do anything
The point is that Jews think people go to heaven or purgatory based on how they behave in life, not what label they wear and what aesthetics they pray to. They don't even think being Jewish to begin with gets them any perks over a Hindu or an atheist who lived by good principles and did good works.
Christians think only people who wear their label get to heaven and others go to permanent hell even if they lived by good principles but just stuck with Hinduism instead of Jesus.
@Skytube not all Christians think exactly the same way. Christian Catholic s follow up Jewish tradition on purgatory as well, mainly because Roman, Orthodox, Coptic Christians don't follow the Bible modified by just one German man in XVIth century.
God bless you 💙🙏
"Its not just about accepting God" is all you need to know right there about Benny boy. ITS ALL ABOUT ACCEPTING GOD.
I think he framed the difference between judaism and protestantism. This difference gets a lot slimmer with traditional Christianity.
Amen
Ben's initial caveat blunder is, "...when you hear from JEWS... that Judaism is acts based..." 🎬 TO his credit he's usually less biased.
@@blessings2you435 Its very, very dificult to appreciate the context based on such a small excerpt.
Jews don’t believe in Jesus. The main difference. Jesus gives the gentiles a chance to get to god through him. Jews last messenger was Moses. You worship a pagan god in Jesus to them. You’re closer to Islam than Judaism. Lot of killing and forced military service. So nice knowing these holy people uphold the commandments
@@blessings2you435Jews don’t believe in Jesus. You are a gentile who worships a pagan god to them. Why doesn’t he just say it how it is?
The difference between Judaism and Christianity is Jesus, Christianity believes Jesus was the messiah and son of god while Judaism believes that Jesus was not the messiah. 💯💯 other than that both religions are strikingly similar.
For Christians, faith is the beginning. Charity is the end.
With how smart Ben is, I’m surprised he’s still looking for the messiah. Spoiler alert: it’s Jesus 😂
Proof?
@@user-wr9ej6xe4j Nope. No proof. Ya gotta just believe what you're told to believe.
Unfortunately, Ben doesn't see his need for a Saviour, he's too busy perfecting himself. 😔🙏
100% asgree, I was being a little facetious. I love Ben, but his self righteousness is saddening. I would love to see him come to Christ and recognise his Messiah. @frazieromondi9331
@frazieromondi9331Through the blood of Jesus. God cannot ignore his justice because he's graceful. That's the whole point of animal sacrifice, the animals dying in our place whenever we sin.
Christians have to live out their faith through actions
This might be what Ben meant when he said "Everything flows there from." Also, I would argue that Christians don't "have to" live out their faith through actions so much as Christians believe that through faith they are offered a new life by which they can stop living in death and start living in life. To not live out your faith is to simply not live the gift you were offered and instead live the life you were saved from having to live.
You couldn’t be more incorrect Christians must perform works giving of their time talents and treatures
This is basically the problem I see with any religion trying to explain another person's religion, they all seem to get it wrong.
Accepting Christ as our savior also means striving to be Christ like, following the teaching of Jesus and loving all as Jesus taught, we all fall short of this, God knows this and is why he sent his son to shed his blood for our short comings which brings us back to believing in Jesus Christ as our savior and redeamer...
Wrong bro hasn’t read a bible to the end clearly. You can’t just accept god and that’s all you need to do as a Christian
You think Ben Shapiro hasnt read the bible? He may be wrong, or misinterpreting something, which MANY people of all faith, including Christians do. But u seriously think he hasnt read the bible? Lol. And dont call people"bro" it makes you sound completely unintelligent
Maybe he has read more books of the old Testament than you did?
@@user-wr9ej6xe4jBen wouldn't agree that Bar and Ben both mean Son. He only wants to believe that Ben means son, yet nobody has ever had a Benmitsvah before. 😢
Ben needs to talk to some faithful Orthodox Christians.
Ah yes, the least fun demographic ever.
You're right!
Facts☦☦☦
This is just one of the ways that people like Ben Shapiro demonstrate that they aren't as "smart" (according to someone in the comments) as they want to protray. I really can't defend those christians who DO go around saying that Christianity is only faith based, but this are mostly protestant evangelicals, and that denomination does not keep most of the christian tradition. But christianity from it's origins has been about both faith and works.
We as Christians believe that righteousness does not come from the Law. All your righteous acts are like filthy rags before God and does not take away your sin-guilt and eternal punishment. It's only through faith in Jesus Christ in which His perfect righteousness is imputed to you, so that God will see you as righteous. I suggest that you read both the book of Romans and Galatians.
that's the difference between judaism and *protestant* christianity, you've still have catholic christianity and orthodox christianity, which are action based as well
If you called yourself Christian read this and follow Ephesians 2:8-9 (UKJV) For by grace are all of you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Pope is no no
@@thebreaker4404
Not sure how that refutes Catholic-Orthodoxy. We don't claim to be saved by works
Where the church cherry picks and chooses which deeds you need to perform and not perform, which laws to follow and not follow from the old testament.
Also, that seems to contradict what Paul, the writer of 1/3 of the new testament and the author of the earliest writings of the new testament, Paul talks about faith without deeds being better than faith with deeds. He literally goes on talking about Genesis where Abraham was going to offer his son Isaac to God and somehow ignored that God says in the text that Abraham was considered righteous by the display of his faith in God by doing what God says and going up to offer his son, as God commanded.
@@_Gaby_950 yup, you claim be saved by the process of synchronization.
What you say is important, but what you do really demonstrates what you believe.
As a Christian, I'm supposed to exhibit faith-based works, but not works-based Salvation.
Ben doesn't understand at all. I hope he realizes that Jesus is the Messiah his people have been looking for. Its sad, he is such a smart guy too.
Not trying to be rude, just simply posing a question to your statement. So why do people still do terrible things?
JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD CLEARLY GOD CANT BE A PERSON AND HAVE A MOTHER.
@@powerofGod788 son not literal, during that era a person who was righteous was called son of God
@@teefx5681 He did say father why have you forsaken me.He clearly says many times that he has a father.Have you ever even read the Bible clearly you have not?
@@powerofGod788 he calls Israel my first born, he calls David my Begotten son he calls moses God he calls the devil God. They are not literal. Westerners never understood the culture of middle east, Asia and Africa so they enforced western views on a scriptures. Go Asia everyone calls strangers uncles and girls big sister if they are elder doesn't make it literal just as respect was of addressing.
Actually... the big difference is whether or not they believe the Messiah has already come. The Jewish people who aren’t Messianic Jews just haven’t accepted Christ as their Messiah. Many Jews have accepted Christ as the foretold Messiah who takes away the sin of the world. The Jewish Messiah has come and His name is Jesus!!
Amen
Christianity is acts and faith based. Two things can be true at once.
We are saved by grace through FAITH and not by works lest you should boast. But, AFTER we are saved and in the sanctification process of salvation, "FAITH without works is DEAD".
So SALVATION is by grace through faith. The EVIDENCE of having been saved is a change in behaviours or works. And SANCTIFICATION is the ongoing process of becoming more Christ like and enduring to the end.
Don't confuse the event of salvation with the ongoing process of sanctification.
Wrong again little man. Christianity is about Christ's perfected work and the free gift there of, something you nor any man can acheive. All men fall short of the glory of God. The wages of sin is death but the gift of grace is eternal life. Only through the Lord Jesus!
When you accept Jesus, you literally are so grateful for the grace of God, Christians willingly want to follow the laws, not because they need to, because they love God and want to obey with their heart.
I see it less as an act of gratefulness and more the reality of salvation. As I see it what you are being saved from isn't just the after-death penalty for sin but from a lifetime of living in that same kind of death. If at the point of salvation you don't want to live a better life then you don't understand what you're being offered salvation from. Sinful actions are infused with death and destruction, so living in them is like a nearly drowned person whose been fished out of a stormy sea and into a dry boat going back for a quick swim.
Most people that call themselves 'christian' don't have any idea what it actually means to BE one...
I talk fast. It means I'm smart. -Shapiro
This is probably the first time I've ever disagreed with Ben. Christianity is not just based on faith. He has a very limited understanding of Christianity if he thinks that.
I was pronouncing Judaism wrong-
There can be acts without faith but there can be no faith without acts
As a Christian, I have to agree: we are accepted by Jesus, and, as he said to the woman caught in adultery, "Go, and sin no more."
The acceptance of Christ is not the be all and end all, but the first step on the road to perfection. The difference is, that we become part of the family, first and forever, then work out 'the bugs' in our characters.
Been working on it for 50 years and I'm better, but not there yet.
You follow the commandments BECAUSE you have faith. Faith always precedes works. Jesus is Lord.
In other words Judaism is works based, as they strive to perfect themselves by way of The Law. In Christian, Christ fulfilled The Law; no longer are Temple sacrifices necessary because Jesus is the eternal sacrifice. The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Jews continue to strive towards perfection by maintaining The Law, while Christians strive to live a more perfect life by following the one who has kept The Law to perfection, the One Who is The Word made flesh (John 1:14)!
ben is fundamentally wrong because the way you show you have faith in something is through your actions
Thats Islam my friend
The brothers of jacob&Ismael serve One God, Christianity has 3 persons , correct?
Scamssss
No that's Judaism my friend, that was around longer than your religion.
Ikr lol ,they must've skipped on the 25%worlds population religion XD
Jews are also action based
I want to add something to that. Works are indeed part of the Christian walk as well showing that God has truly done a work in our life! It's very refreshing to hear you be able to describe what both Judaism and Christianity focuses on. It's important we get back to the Christian Judeo ethics!!
Luther's idea of removing books from the original Bible, introduced great divide between Jewish tradition and followers of Jesus. Luther considered these 7 books " too Jewish" for Christians to follow. Catholics and Orthodox church still keep the original Bible.
Sometimes it's difficult to know what actions you're supposed to be taking
@Nexus Inc.
Good question! Many folks ponder the same thing. Perhaps start with Jesus' "Sermon On The Mount"? His words might shed a bit of Light on your query. 🙏 🤲
He's talking about the by faith alone doctrine that's adopted by many non denominational and protestant churches but most churches believe that faith without works is dead
Christians also have free well, when we receive God's grace, and it is like a compass that directs us through our life and it is joy filled, rewarding, path. We never lose our given ability to choose, we are not lumps of coal once we receive Christ. We are alive in Christ making great decisions and choices.
My friend is a Christian so he got directed into a strip club?While his wife was pregnant I warned him he still went in Jesus guidance?
@@powerofGod788 that's her entire point that people have free will even as Christians and we don't become, as she put it, lumps of coal. No, he didn't get directed or guided by Jesus to make the choice he made, but he did have the free will to choose his sin over Jesus Christ and over his wife. God doesn't force anyone to do anything.
@@ssbekind Agree but most Christians claim there forgiven so let's keep sin close🤦 seriously look at the reality of this hall pass.
@@powerofGod788 We are forgiven. God has forgiven our sins past, present, and future. That's what Romans chapters 6 through 8 is talking about. How we are saved and we are forgiven but that doesn't mean we should just do whatever we want when we want and sin all the time and not care. Some people care a lot about having a personal relationship with God and it pushes them to try to live better, and some people don't. Christians accept the free gift of eternal salvation and afterwards how they act and live is their choice, buy God will never redact salvation or His love for us. We are forgiven, and that is a beautiful thing that we should all be eternally grateful for. 'Hall pass' or not
@@ssbekind You must pass thru the father to get to Jesus stop your ignorance.Jesus did say keep my father's commandments your ignorant hall pass won't fly.The son clearly is just the right hand he has given us a chance but not a hall pass.Christians are misled with one scripture read more seriously.He came to try and make us to be successful like him not treat his death as a game.Thats why most Christians sin because of this loop hole.Seems something was changed to comfort mans sin.But I'm not buying your religions hall pass.This why I'm not choosing any religion why?Well God has no religion he will not care if you was a Christian period.
As a Christian, a Catholic to be specific I disagree with the notion that Christianity is purely "faith based". Maybe Ben needs to study Catholicism so he can get that concept of his corrected.
Wouldn't that take years?
@@othername6345 does not matter as long as he eventually gets it, hopefully before he dies.
The Catholic Church has taken it's time to kill Jews, non-Catholic Christians, Muslims, Pagans, etc. He would just look at this fact, laugh, and leave.
Most people think protestant when hearing christian and put Catholic in its own category
Ben is a little off here. Christianity demands good works and faith, and ties good works toward growing better and closer to God.
Ah yes, everyone knows the 10 commandments don’t apply to Christianity as well after all 😂
He met too many Protestants
Doesn't Bem believe in Jesus?
"Faith without works is dead" if you have no acts, you have no outflow of faith, thus your faith is null.
Like how a good boss doesn't care whether we like him or not but what is important is our actions, our work, our qualifications
no Judaism is simply the denial of Jesus Christ the King
Then for Catholics its faith and good works ☺️
Sounds a little more responsible.
So glad, we can dialogue, christians are called to live our faith and deliver all Praise to God. Thanks for all your open conversation , this brings all The Lord's children home🙏
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
There’s way more to it. Love Ben but disagree here
Ben is a genius, not sure how you disagree with this man when he speaks only facts...
Let me guess your from the lbgtq community arent you?
bens is correct,you are going to hell
@@stonerhistory8742 what facts did he say he's clearly just saying what he knows and btw we're are not allowed to sin. Jesus said in Mathew 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Jesus also said in Mathew 6:5 When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most certainly, I tell you, they have received their reward.
Whoa nothing like a Jew telling us what their view or version of beliefs of Catholic parishioners 😊
Ben is talking about certain Christians who get so hung up on the doctrine of faith that they talk like he says. It's just as true there are other Christians who dispute that oversimplified view. Ben is a guy who actually listens and tries to understand other people. How many Christians try to understand the Jewish view of the Old testament as opposed to the Christian view of the Old testament?
You mean like how Christians go all over the world telling people their religion is incorrect and they need to convert? As if everyone before Christianity burned in hell for their beliefs?
Judaism talks about offering (act) similarly Christianity talks about having a genuine feeling to make offering (also act but with it coming from place of repentance)
Acts don't get you into heaven but when you love with the Love of God you will love your neighbor and do for others.
That's one of the best (or the best) comments thus far......but you must be born again Jesus said, (baptized) into the new covenant or your not in (HIS KINGDOM of salvation through faith.
He missed Catholics.
And Orthodox.
Congratulations,youve just discribed what a muslim is!
@@starriseskylool, "saturn deity" yeah right, and athiesm is about? Pluto worship?? Lol.
Thankfully Muslims don't worship or represent God as a Black cube, nor do we have alot of rituals, just praying and Hajj.
Saturn is all about hardwork and discipline?? Since when did Saturn have virtues? Do u think saturn is alive? Or do you take him as your god? 🤣
@@starrisesky yeah, I'd recommend you Look up Daniel Haqiqiatjou, A graduate from world's best University,of Harvard, majoring in physics.and Md Hijab
@@starrisesky i mean, Not in the slightest? Cus we also pray in the direction of the Ka'ba, pretty sure the planets don't pray to them.
And there nothing mentioned about Saturn in Islam lol.
And the fact that such a Book like Qur'an exists, which is filled with miricles, right from the fact of the atom, to modern day embryology, how baby is formed, to the earth, moon and suns orbits around the milkyway, the eloquence and the baffling language, the incredible predictions. I mean This "saturnist" Religion is a clear truth then XF
@@starrisesky welll but if we really worshipped Saturn, why woudlnt we just... Worship the PLACE where Saturn is RIGHTNOW?? There are apps like starwalk2, which gives you the live data of all planets where the sun is Etc.
Just out of curiosity, since we to the tawaf roun the Ka'ba, how is it that we don't worship the ",sun" wE rEPreSeNt ThE pLaNeTS orBitInG tHE sUN"
Lol, Brother. I am a muslim, and i know who I worship, GOD Almighty Alone, ALLAH Subhana-ta'alah the creator of the world's. Legislator of the day of judgement, The creator of the heavens and the galaxies, the Sun, creator of Saturn, Of Jupiter, ruler over All the dimensions that exist.known and Unknown.
He gave us a test, which was to be In this world,do Good, Worship him. That's our only purpose.
@@starrisesky you worship pegan god so dont say non
Where is the full video.
Then they should accept Muhammad Salalahu Alayhi Wa Salam.
It’s amazing. Jesus fulfilled these laws for us because it is impossible to live a perfect life.
Impossible by our own strength yes but we should still try to live like our Lord Jesus in righteousness so we can be more like Him cause were the Body of Christ
SO exactly TRUTH !!!
Jesus says that His yoke is easy and His burden is light. He doesnt ask for perfection!
Wrong. Jesus christ is trash. And doesn't teach yall anything but death. YAHUSHA the Hebrew Messiah says different.
Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father(YHVH/YAHUAH) in heaven is perfect.
Felt the Holy Spirit while reading that. Needed to hear that! Thanks brother 🙌
He sums it up really well, but I’d like to mention that 1: once you have accepted Jesus, you start doing the right thing since you have the spirit to prompt you, and 2: no amount of works can ever be enough without faith bc we aren’t perfect
I’m glad Ben brought up this point. I feel as if a lot of Christians have not read the book of James. (James 2 for those that wanna read it and yes, you need to read this whole chapter for full understanding. I’ll put the last verse of James 2 below this)
James 2:26 RSV • For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead. •
No Christianity requires acts to evidence the faith and willingness to follow the commandments. Without a desire to work with God to follow the Commandments we wouldn’t be sorry for breaking them. If we don’t have a desire to try to follow the commandments then we wouldn’t be repentant for sins; without repentance there is no forgiveness and therefore no salvation.
Justification: God considers you sinless and saved when you accept the truth and agree to follow Him
Sanctification: we work with God (God gives us power) to try to keep the 10 Commandments and over time our character improves
By their fruit they will be known.
For Gods Sakes its both works and faith.
I think Ben gets it more or less right here. When Jesus taught he focused on faith and taught that a transformed life (also known as salvation) would flow from a genuine faith. The good works are a gift from God to humans in Christianity. God awards salvation from evil to those who have faith. In Judaism the good works are a gift from humans to God. They are the source of the relationship rather than the outcome of it.
@@ZIbroweed we just follow both the old testament and new testament.
@@wip3z531 Yes, but the covenant as laid out in the New Testament in some ways over-writes the covenant with Israel in the Old Testament. This is evidenced by Peter being offered the sheet full of unclean animals and being instructed to "kill and eat." The new Testament sets out a new rule set that includes gentiles and doesn't require the careful following of every letter of the Old Testament law as Paul demonstrates when he is more lax with certain aspects of the law while ministering to Greeks and as Jesus demonstrates when he regularly disregards strict practice of the formal law while holding an even higher moral standard for interpersonal relationships and internal dialogue. In the new Testament faith in Christ in central and good works flow naturally from that faith without the rigid structure that was previously required.
I think part of what creates the divide is that some of the earliest books of the Old Testament were the people of Israel's civil law. They were the legal standard required for a nation to operate somewhat functionally without a formal government. In the new Testament they were all living under Roman civil law, so while many of the principles still applied they didn't need the extensive codification and could start living based on principles rather than Biblical litigation.
As a Christian, I respond to the sacrifice of love Jesus showed to me by dying for my sins. My response is to allow His spirit to
Dwell in me and love others through me. I accept His plan for my life and live for Him.
Funny how he doesn’t mention who “killed” Jesus obviously he knows yet wants to ponder on why there is no difference between the 2 when in reality they killed Christians god “Jesus”
The difference a little more nuanced than that. Christians do works out of their faith, Jews do their works to gain salvation.
Yes, that is the difference between them..... Christianity is faith based. Judaism is works based. With Christianity, when you have accepted Jesus and have faith, the natural outflowing of the faith and love for God/Jesus is the natural desire to help others, to do as Jesus speaks about in the bible for others. So.... both do good things for others, but one pours out from their acceptance & faith of the Lord, the other is definite decisions to do things in order to be accepted by the Lord in their belief.
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@@tristanmcguire4820 as a Jew, I agree with this
Judaism has One God.
@@cynthiapapavasiliou7024 so does Christianity
As a Jew, Jesus taught the Tanakh, kept the Jewish Sabbath. After his death the Jewish Sabbath was taken from them exchanged for Sun god (halo) amun-ra the black sabbath sacrificed children. As We do. For our viewing pleasure we now have on hand in Washington d.c. straight from Babylonia, the arch of Baal, and the children are the sacrifice. We fight the same battle today. Ignorance of God's plan. Our priests are no priests, priestlings they are called
I converted to Judaism after deeply studying the Bible in both the NIV version and in the Hebrew Bible. It was the best decision I have ever made ✡️
That is another reason why I am a Messianic "Jew", I must have faith in Yeshua and follow his commandments.
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He's 100% WRONG.
In Islam we believe in the act of worship aswell as believing in God
True Christians know we can't separate faith from deeds, true faith projects itself into deeds.
There are so many Christians and also Catholics that think just accepting Jesus as your savior is enough for your salvation but when you are born again and you take the name of Jesus, your actions are supposed to be that of Jesus.
You'll know them by their fruits. Says one thing do another.
Read the books that Jesus read. And as a Jew Jesus followed one God and he has one Sabbath. That Sabbath was stolen from the Christians by the first Roman emperor Constantine. They were encouraged to rest on the day of the Sun God amun-ra and to work on The Jewish Sabbath as is still the case today. Stolen Souls worshipping and being taught by rote, is God, Sun god,Amun-ra, Baal.
Sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.
Judaism = Acts based
Christianity = Faith based
Islam = Truth Based.
When you know the truth, actions and faith align.
This like hearing Tom Cruise talk about how only a scientologist would help someone who's car is broken down by the road.
I feel if someone is Jewish, Christian, Islam, etc. It ultimately shows they are looking for truth and self improvement.. And shouldn't be persecuted for it. Force in religion only causes chaos.
No, religion 100% separates from God and is no evidence for seeking out truth and self improvement. We are all born with a conscience, meaning with knowledge, and we reject reality and truth and degrade our conscience when we worship religion and created rather than the creator. Jesus never came here for theology - He came for cardiology.
When different religions ime together a honest conversation would go like this...
I think your going to hell
I think your going to hell
I think your going to hell
I went to Catholic schools for 12 years. My understanding is that believing in Jesus means you believe in his teaching, and obey the 10 commandments.
The funny thing about this is that Christianity says you cannot earn your way to to heaven by good works, but still expects followers to do the good works. Your good works will show people how great Christianity is and maybe get people to follow your faith.
He thinks he’s smart but he’s talking about fairytales