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Mr Steele..... Hdzero is the most under rated tech in the Hobby.
For the subjective opinion it’s analog 2.0… most people don’t care about the latency issue. I fly fast and use several fast corrections during each flight with no issues with Dji. Imo the latency is a placebo effect. That being said I bought the hdzero setup and sold it in 2 months time. It’s a GOOD product but had no home in my fleet.
@@creationlabsinc.189 interesting.... just shows how different we all are.
I sold my dji gear and only fly Hdzero.
Just prefer it. Colours are nicer and I prefer how it breaks up as a easily readable indicator of when to turn around.
@@creationlabsinc.189 The most important aspect of HDZero for me beyond it's excellent visuals...Is the fact it plays well with others and was designed from the outset as such....dji not so much....
Dunno if it's just me but by just looking at reviews HDzero has the clearer image and better details than DJI.
@@kdta91 it’s clearer in the sense that it doesn’t blur, blotch and smear as dji compression does. But the image quality is not as sharp as Hdzero sends less information back to the goggles than dji.
I agree.. If the vtx was smaller, if it had audio and the goggles were out, it would be a done deal. I get what you mean with going up against giants like DJI or Fatshark now, but HDZero has that underdog passion, which the community really digs. That's where Carl did great. He's letting the community do testing, and he's taking the feedback and actually using it. Which feels like the opposite of what Fatshark did, considering their vtx is 25x25 mounting, 5s capable goggles, yadda yadda 1st world problems, you get it.. It's like they asked the community what they wanted, then did the opposite lol. I like that Carl Zhou is interested in what fpv pilots want.
Yeah, there's currently a lot of compromise with HDZ. I really enjoyed the audio in DVR footage, especially when I stuff the mic into a piece of foam. Then there's all the downsides to the VTX units. You've got low output on most of them, they get insanely hot even at 0mW, and they're kinda big. Sorta makes me wish there was a way to get an advanced version of analog. That said, the image is worth all the trouble.
I like the way HDZero works. Will switch from analog a bit later, when the war ends...
Also tried DJI setup- and it's meh. I though it would look much better since everyone is so happy about it. I've seen some compression artifacts even on 50mbit mode, too dark shadows under the trees (Vista setup) And i'm even not saying about variable latency
Also the helmet is made for aliens, ultra uncomfortable and pretty heavy.
the dji fpv drone has the insane quality you're expecting. like mind blowing, looks like gopro footage. but that drone sucks to actually fly, so...
Great discussion! Lots of good points. I've got the stuff to give hdzero a try and will be in short bit. After seeing this, even more interested in giving it a try
What a surprising video, here I thought he hated the system. I was thinking this system was perfect for his style of flying with it's fixed near zero latency but never did we hear him give it a thought since he tried byte frost back in the day. who knew he actually appreciate it for what it does well after all. Slime line goggles are coming and audio I believe is in the works, only thing you're not going to like is the penetration in comparison to dji/walk snail. Otherwise, you're golden
I had pretty good analog video and switched to hdzero. Quite pleased with the switch. I fly freestyle mostly at night at an office park with no issues.
I’ll say as someone who spent a decent bit of time with hdzero, that when the goggles come out, I’m for sure going to make the switch for racing. It plays nice with analog and its detail retention are pretty amazing!
Yooo funny to see you here!
Mr.steele, the type of guy to make sure he has tested everything and voice his thoughts and concerns on all of the systems. I love the raw video and the honest questions and answers about the system. Truly based, love it.
switching to hdzero right now, for me it was an compelling option because I already had hdo2s and so it wasn't an to expensive option.
the open source part is actually big. because divimath/hdzero wants to sell mainly the chipsets in the future and every manufacturer who wants to develop an compatible vtx/camera is able to use a community driven reference design. it basically opens a whole new ecosystem - where you don't have to relie on one manufacturer to purchase your stuff from.
This is why I'm glad that I bought goggles with an HDMI input. Eachine 300o, so not necessarily the highest end hardware, but I was able to buy that RTX in the video that's now unavailable, and add it on. I will absolutely be buying more race VTX modules and Runcam micro V2 cams for my other quads
@@jmckenna2k10 I really can't understand that fatsharl ditched all inputs from their new flagship goggles. I really hate vendor lock in. even DJI thought about adding an analog input...
@@derrogers it's a bad design on their part, but I'm guessing they did it for the same reason that manufacturers made things like tv/vcr combos. They know that a ton of people won't care that it's a horrible idea, because it's a smaller product that serves both needs. Or computer motherboards with built in graphics cards and no option to add a 3rd party card. The larger part of their market doesn't care.
But, freestyle FPV is not a huge market anyway. Designing aio products that don't support future upgrades seems like a VeryBadIdea for this market. Then again, things like aio FC/ESC/RX/VTX boards do sell for whoops. And it seems like a great idea until you realize you can't upgrade that spi ELRS Rx without a full betaflight firmware update that THEY built based on a custom target, etc. Proprietary hardware is absolute ass
@@jmckenna2k10 yeah, but those aio boards cost 40-60bucks and serve a specific purposes. goggles are way more expensive and should last you longer...
fatshark was a small company with good customer service and -relations. But since they are part of Redcat it's going downhill fast...
@@derrogers agreed that they're a very specific use product and they have their place. It was more of an example of how specific use products aren't always the best for every situation.
In the car of some of those AIO boards, they've crippled their usefulness by integrating the Rx firmware into the firmware for the FC. Fine, if you're not worried about upgrading either betaflight or the RX Independent from one another. ELRS upgrade path moves WAY too quickly for that to be a good solution, since it's still in a state of relative infancy compared to long standing Rx protocols
Coming from analog with 8yrs FPV'n I'm just getting into digital. I bought DJI Avata with their new goggles 2 and Im blown away how clear and freak'n rage!! The future of digital is here to stay and it's a great time to FPV'n.
LOL loved the way you described the WalkShark system, very interesting post flight conversation. I can see this being the standard for racing within the next year or so.
I like your question process.
good stuff
Carl at HDZero has ❤ that is why I went with HDZero. I couldn't give my money to DJI, though I know it's better in a lot of scenarios. I am using Fatshark Scout HD goggles for now until the HDZero goggles are released. I still fly analog as well, HDZero just edges out my best analog setup in video quality, range and penetration.
I went HDzero as I am not a fan of DJI way before they had a HD system but what really cemented the love for hdzero is Carl's commitment to the community.
I bought an Hd-hero, just for the Whoop vtx. Set Hd-zero vtx+ antena+ camera= 7 grams it can be put on a 65mm drone and it will fly well with a good picture
This is probably the best explanation for newbies I've seen so far. And the video looked good!
Good honest run down of the setup 👌
It's wild how much has changed since this video went up, but also how much stays the same. It's still complex for newbies but gotten so much better.
Interesting view points, I wasn’t aware how the chip shortage and lack of ccd sensors was impacting your setup. Pretty crazy 🤔
I started on analog and switched most everything to HDzero. It’s pretty good now, I’m super hopeful for the future.
Thanks for doing this video!
Sub 250g is another thing.
Once remote ID starts being enforced the smaller HDzero whoop options are going to become even more appealing and I can see more people going this direction.
I just can't see DJI ever bothering with proper micros, though maybe Walksnail will.
F remote ID
HD0 output to monitors is pretty freaking clear I have to add in. I'm impressed with it for how good it actually looks. It's best use for me would be in tiny whoops (1s) but I'm not buying.
That old Sharkbyte receiver does actually fit right into the original HDO2 case. I never remove it, not even when I'm out with an analogue quad. Based on that, I assume the new version will fit as well.
I switched from analogue to HDZero, so no experience with DJI, but I LOVE the detail and latency (I finally don't crash into branches I didn't even see). I usually fly at the edge of a forest, around bushes and long grass, and I fit through gaps that I don't even dare go close to with analogue. :D
The availability was awful last year, when they broke up with Fatshark, I waited months for a VTX, but it's pretty good now, apart from the receiver.
Hey Steele,
HDZero are making the VRX now, which is available to buy and connect to your existing goggles.
HDZ will be releasing the goggle later this year.
Pricing is comparable to DJI for the VTX and Camera. However it’s cheaper to get into if you have existing Analog goggles. More expensive if you start from scratch.
VTX’s are “smaller”
- The 1W VTX you tried for Freestyle Quads,
- 200mw Whoop VTX that works on 1S,
- Race VTX is better designed for racing,
HDZ is available on 65mm and 75mm whoops that don’t have much of a weight penalty
Camera options are
- HDZ Runcam Micro V2
- HDZ Runcam Nano (same sensor as v2)
- Foxeer Digisight v3
The easiest way to describe it is high resolution analog with full 720p
The other key thing to note fixed latency which is why you get the rainbow breakup
Sick Video. I love your straight talking One Love
Initially I was a bit shocked that Steele was so uninformed about HDZero, like the fact that it's used for racing. Then I thought, well what do you expect from a guy who still romanticizes CCD cams? Truth is he's a nonconformist at heart, he does follow the crowd...just look at his FPV style, it really hasn't changed over the years i.e. he doesn't really do any of the newer tricks. But that's fine, he's still an amazing pilot, just not (IMHO) someone who is easily accepting of new technologies or ideas. 🤷♂️
Jeah no shit he needed years to try out dji the dude literally hates new tech
This felt like an honest review and I really appreciate that. Even though this had nothing to do with the new sharksnail system it gives an honest perspective on what to expect compared to another system.
HDZero shows a lot of promise and with the new goggles coming out and other manufactures been able to build their own VTX's and VRX's It will get better and smaller. And yes please to audio, that was a good view on HDZero.
Got to be an audio add on.
Anyone know when the hd zero goggles are coming out
@@junkheadrc7397 Later on this year sometime after October.
I had HDZero on a few quads, swapped them back to analog because I couldn't stand the weight of the VRX on my goggles, even picked up the ScoutHDs and got sick of having two different goggs to tote around. I don't dislike HD0, but I'll come back later when things are ironed out because it's a gorgeous image IMO
That's how I feel about DJI analog module. Building up muscles in neck is good idea but ...my god!
😱😱😱 I can’t wait to watch this!
Sick flight!
Probably the best truthful opinion of HD zero I have heard .
My HDO2´s fit in the case with the module mounted and I even have the upgraded TrueRC crosshairs! And IMO it looks a lot better than analog!
I’m deff getting into Hdzero. I’m just waiting for the goggles to come out and for everything to be in stock lol
‘A water color painting’ lol best description I’ve heard yet 🤣
I love the fact that you approached this from an angle of "who should use this? why should I buy or not buy?"
And the quality is like analog at it's best. I love it. My confidence while flying it was massively boosted as well because I could see wtf I was flying around. My favorite clip from my first flight with it was of me powerlooping a power line from the street to the house and snacking the line square on as I came over and down. (New quad frame that handles like a whale because it's not at all tuned yet)
In my goggles I could actually see the individual twists in the power line during the crash. I was like "THAT'S FUCKING AWESOME! I hope I didn't destroy this brand new shit, but it looked great".
During that same run, I crept through the branches of a tree with barely enough room for the quad and was able to see every leaf and twig clearly enough that it was a clean pass through fairly dense obstacles. Three thumbs up.
I never fly much further away than I want to walk to retrieve my smoking pile of destruction if I crash, so the race and whoop 200mw VTX is plenty powerful enough for my needs. Long range flight isn't my thing. But I was still getting a decent signal directly in front of me about 150 yards away and on the other side of power lines and a sheet metal roof.
I'm definitely getting HDZERO with the new goggles out. I'll probably still fly my dji quads sometimes.. but I'm excited about the 540p 90fps mode!
Thank you for asking these questions for us new guys. We need competitors to DJI.
The osd board thing is a tough one as I know they basically ran out back when COVID hit. It took me a long time to figure out a replacement, but find using my remaining regulator board to feed a secondary BEC at 7 volts and then feeding my VTX @ 5volts with everything grounded to itself and a flywoo mic mostly makes up for it. It’s not ‘better’ cause it’s a lot of work to do, but the video has been solid since I started making it and at least I can still mostly unplug and repair as needed without soldering to the FC. But I know people aren’t as patient as I am to make such a thing lol. The new issue is getting the Fettec G4 with osd as they just ran out of that now, so now I might look to KISS ultra if I can find some
was that the kwad screaming at 4:08 hahahaha!!!
setup lookin good bre!!
This is one of the first hd zero videos i've seen where it looks noticeably better than a solid analog setup.
I have HDzero system and I hope they include audio on it! will be the analog killer..
This is like a BBC interview. Questioning, critical, but fair and educating.
Rad vid bro 👌 just what I needed to hear. I'm still thinking bout upgrading my fatshark attitude 5's too hdo2's.lol rapidfire is good for me, as is ccd cams!!🤣🤣🤣 too expensive to upgrade in my opinion...at the minute anyways.haha
I'm using a sensor drone, but the FPV keeps dragging...😭 It's cool to see you fly freely👍👍
Hey, I've got a bunch of CCD cameras here Steele... whatcha looking for? 😀
The data sheet for the divimath chip used in hdzero says it has audio input. Hopefully we'll get a vtx with mic.
Open-source will eventually beat DJI, it just takes some time. Just like open-source ELRS beat TBS on RC links, and open-source Betaflight beats KISS flight software. Yes, open-source stuff is more complicated for incompetent users, but if you know your shit it's so much more versatile and better in almost every aspect. Some people just develop and share developments out of pure passion and some just monetize the shit out of stuff that isn't even all that great. You of all people should be appreciative of this, and support it.
Once they back engineer it and clone it ;) hahhahhhahhha. Kidding. It’s hard to compete with the CCP my dude..
Everything you just stated is completely subjective. Betaflight doesn’t beat kiss. Many pilots from over a year ago would agree. Kiss as we knew it isn’t kiss anymore. Open source projects many times in business are dumped really fast.
@@MrSteeleFPVThe ccp/dji probably did the same with video tranmission systems used in Formula1 race cars. Since almost all western technology is produced in china they have an easy time cloning the designs. In that sense the whole FPV game is just a clone of commercial and military tech.
@@creationlabsinc.189 It isn't subjective. BF can do anything KISS can do, but KISS can't do all that BF can. Sure, some projects stall, like OpenTX, but it's not like it's gone, you can still use it if you want. If you do want improvements you can use EdgeTX. It's called a fork.
I heard the walksnail is a lot better now after the updates. It should be better than DJI later after updates, cause it uses the H265 codec, and DJI uses H264.
An updated walksnail software test would be cool heard they fixed the blurry image
that was actually pretty damn informitave
"dang bro, living in 1984" 🤣🤣
Steele, have you ever considered manufacturing your own special step down converter power board to replaced the Impulse RC one? It would be great if we can get different versions and sizes for smaller quads making analog perfection actually attainable for those who still run it, I fly both dji and analog and would love a reliable solution. Maybe something built into a vtx or esc, or a separate board, I don't think theres much demand for actual OSD boards nowadays. It would be especially cool if a solution like this can be made small enough to work on small toothpicks where digital isnt an option without adding a lot of weight relative to their size.
This is what I'm waiting for! The goggles to come out then make the jump from analog to hdzero. Heard September on goggles not sure though
As far as who needs this, maybe me. Flying for about 1.5 years on fatshark scouts, starting to get frustrated with scraggle/clarity as i get better with my flying and go into tighter spots.I cant afford to upgrade my fatshark scouts right now, but when i can afford it this might be the new setup. Its almost good for me that i cant afford the upgrade now cus theres alot of new options making it hard to choose. hopefully it will be sorted out and tested by next summer and it will be a bit easier for me to decide.
Steele look more into HDZero you will love it! It's right up your alley brother!
They fixed the new VRX prior to release, so reception is as good or better than the old VRX.
goggles with receiver fit in the Ethix hd goggle pouch :)
Development will get there eventually on the size of the hardware, the goggles, audio, etc. We’ve already seen hardware specifically developed on the basis of popular demand. I wish every company listened so well to their customer base, but only HDzero does. I don’t fly bandos very often so I’m pretty happy to support this format.
Either way: for now it still easily looks way better than the Walksnail video you posted the other week. I’d recommend beginners to go with an analog whoop or something like that, and not buy anything digital till at least the end of the year considering the relationship between Caddx and DJI if there is any left, and all things coming out until that time: between the current DJI, Walksnail, the HDzero goggles (that also does analog) and DJI v3.
someone in my face book group said this: "Hi all.. I keep seeing and hearing the hdzero goggles are fully open souurce and you can make your own with a 3d print..
THIS ISN'T THE CASE. The 3d cad files are there to maake design modifications to, they are not there to make your own goggles at home.
Please try and educate people on this topic, people with a good social media backing are starting to mention this."
The goggles aren’t completely open source, but they released the design files for the case.
The goggles will just be a product you can buy but hopefully other companies will jump on board with the open source stuff
You can easily find it. It is improving. If you have goggles with HDMI it is much less expensive. The Goggle is coming. Hope I can find it and afford it! I still fly analog too. Try the new whoop board and camera. Tiny but good at 200mw. Just get a module to add to your backup goggle fly it some. with a TPU mount it pops off the goggle for storage. Still smaller than DJI. Maybe Carl can keep the CCP out of it too.
So, now that the googles are out, the VTX lite is small enough (but there are still improvements that could be done there + have audio), have you tried the 90fps setup yet?
Is the frame dropping only visible in the recording? There are a few spots where it looks like it skipped a frame or two but you say at that point that you're not noticing anything going wrong.
There is a DVR bug that causes that. It is either fixed or rare in the current firmware.
Yeah, it's smooth and clear during flight. Maybe an occasional frame stutter when signal gets real bad but not like the dvr. I'm not sure why he had so much in the recording.
I feel the analog pain. I am slowly trying to stay up to date and getting fettec and analog stuff is impossible. I would love an updated analog setup video showing how you setup your apex power supply board with fettec stuff, but its all obsolete like you said...
@ Mr Steele - Would be great to hear your thoughts on the new goggles running the latest stuff. Cheers.
As someone to whom DJI has never been an option I welcome all the alternatives, although stocked up on analog gear as well.
After coming back to the hobby from 5 years I’m getting the goggles and analog module
I got both dji and hdzero. Hdzero made me stop using analog all together. Love dji quality, but the smaller drones hdzero is awesome. Just wish penetration was a bit better.
DJI is not an ally to recreational RC pilots though. Good enough reason for many to not go with DJI no matter how good they are.
me and this guy are the 2 people in the hobby still using the qx7 lmao
Nice. Was the stuttering experienced in the live feed or is that a recording issue?
This video is uploaded in 30fps, not the 60fps that the DVR records in.
Apparently the latency of the system with the new goggles will be about 6 milliseconds glass to glass, so it will crush analog in that area as well.
Time will tell
It’s supposedly 3ms tested as of right now. Not that it’s a huge difference, but that’s crazy low.
I’m holding out for the HDzero goggles myself. Getting back into it after taking a break and selling most of my gear. DJI resolution was great, but Oled screens look better. And the fit of DJI goggles were horrible for me.
Hdzero is for people that fly REALLY FAST.
The other digital systems have variable latency that can fuck you over and the real time temporal compression on there codecs cant handle Big differences between the frames caused by high speed flying.
Oh the new module has a local mic for recording commentary etc during flight but I do wish they added a mic its good to hear the quad to check everything it running ok.
I fly really fast and with no issues with Dji… at the end of the day everything in this hobby is subjective.
The vtx size is no issue at all !! If you have a 30x30 put the vtx over the esc and then a 20x20fc in the back. Done !
And Availibility is no issue !
ill stay on my analog stuffs!!!
Analog for the win!
That's clear OSD!
I thought you would like HDZero, I'm sure if you ask Carl on the HDZero FB page he will give you audio, he's listens, and does what's asked.
I may stay with analog for a long time! 💵💲
🤷🏽♂️ just my opinion, but if you ask me HDZero and FS where designing a goggle in tandem. That relationship broke down while the HDZero/FS goggle where still in design phases. I say this because of the small similarity in the newest Dominator and the released HDZero goggle shell.
I point your attention to the diopter and adjustment knobs. IMO, the breakup happened somewhere in that phase, I think HDZero already has what they need on the goggles side to
Make it happen.
Time will tell!!
I'm giving it a couple years before I even try it. Analog is fine for now...
Who else started to fpv because of mr steele
Wow nice
Shame this video has been uploaded in 30fps, because it makes the DVR look very choppy and gives the random stutters, when it actually records in 60fps.
Was the DVR also screen captured instead up edited direct from the file? Only asking because at 4:10 the video player controls pop up...
There were a few spots where the HDZero feed was stuttering a bit (when he hit the ground and when he was behind the building) and it wasn't even breaking up that much... Something dodgy is going on there 'cause I've seen a lot of HDZero videos including where they go to the edge of the range and it never stuttered - it eventually dissolves into grey static like analog does, but never stutters.
it's probably some kind of interlacing problem with the hdmi input, happens to me also every 10-15 min if i don't reboot the goggle. This will be gone with the new goggle
@@tiefflieger9712 What about those of us who already have analog goggles and plan to get the add-on HDZero receiver? It's a bit concerning that this is happening and almost no-one seems to be mentioning it...
@@tiefflieger9712 Mainly what I'm concerned about is, is this what Steele was seeing when he was flying, or is it just what was being recorded? 'Cause he didn't mention the stuttering at all, even though it would've been a bit hard to fly with that stuttering? If it was just the recording that was affected, then that's not such a big deal...
@@Vousie it is also in live feed for 2 seconds every ~15 min.
But i still have to rule out the sd card or rather the dvr recording for this problem.
But on Discord i heard some people accuse this interlacing problem of the goggle/hdmi. Then this isn't the fault of HDZero and no way to fix it beside get a good goggle :3
@@tiefflieger9712 So this only happens with certain goggles? 'Cause it may not be a HDZero thing at all - have you tested your goggles with other HDMI inputs?
Most people have already got a pair of goggles
Yes, Oscar Liang is the FPV standard. Release the new goggle already HDZ!
Very interested in HDZero
Big downside not covered yet:
HDZero is fine, BUT: On the HDO/HDO2 goggles, the HDMI ports are dying one after the other!
The HDMI input ports are just crappy quality, I am sending my HDO2 in now for repair. Really sux.
Glad I still have analogue backups...
HDZero is like super analog.
i noticed in the dvr footage some of the frames freezing. i assume this is the dvr recording and not being seen in the goggles?
i love your videos
Mr Steele Fly the new update on the Walksnail and post a new review ! I know you'll get the unreleased firmware that Cricket just flew and loved. The ground being washed isn't a thing anymore. HD Zero says maybe Oct for the goggle.
Competition is healthy!
It doesn't need to be a specific frame. I run the Freestyle VTX in a standard Apex without modifications now no problem
This sounds weird, i don't know why but when I switched from analogue to dji hd, I soon stopped flying so much altogether?🤔 - might try both again, and do a bit of analogue again too, just like the old days.
Live Audio for v1/2 is available 😄
Biggest thing holding HDZ back right now is hardware and power output. It’s either big, bulky and annoying to mount or it’s tiny and has 0 power.
3:28 is the goggle footage freezing only in the recording?
I really enjoyed this discussion. Right now, the industry seems to be in flux. I'm personally waiting to see what happens with HDzero and their new goggles (if it happens) and where DJI goes next with the new goggles and digital system which will hopefully be out before the world goes to total shit...(You know, Orwellian dystopia kinda shit) But, at least there will be plenty of bandos to fly. ;-)