MC90 Mon Calamari Cruiser vs Allegiance Star Destroyer | Star Wars: Who Would Win
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- A Mon Calamari Cruiser vs an Imperial Star Destroyer... Could it get more classic than that? Today's video features two Star Wars legends ships: the New Republic's MC90 Mon Calamari Cruiser, the first dedicated Mon Calamari warship, and the Allegiance Star Destroyer, a very large and well-armed upscale of the Imperial I Star Destroyer. Who will win in a one-on-one space battle? Find out on today's episode of Star Wars: Who Would Win!
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Remember, the superstructure on Imperial Star Destroyers are HUGE where the bridge is just a tiny room when compared to the size of the superstructure. The superstructure on the MC90 is much more exposed and vulnerable.
That would be true if the bridge wasnt on the exterior
@@snugglecity3500 Or practically Center of mass
Zann Consortium Aggressor Class Star Destroyer vs. Imperial 2-Class Star Destroyer.
Fun fact: the aggressor class star Destroyer was originally an imperial project, but when the rebels destroyed the death star in the battle of Yavin IV Tyber Zann found the plans when he was searching for information about the Emperors vaults
Imperial II wins because the Aggressor has no shields.
dragonstormx
the aggressor was the one with the large ion and particle gun in the front. Not the cross shaped one with mass driver turrets. (I forgot the name of it)
Last I checked, most of the Consortium big ships have no shields.
They do, the kelbade and aggressor have shields only the vengence frigate doesn't have it.
That was a great game
Something you left out in the starfighter section is the fact that during this period of the New Republic they fielded E-Wings and K-Wings. These were built side by side with the new dedicated capital ships built for the New Republic.
CIS HYENA-BOMBER
VS
IMPERIAL TIE-BOMBER
Raul Geerman the Hyena bomber would slaughter a tie bomber it's faster, and more maneuverable, the Tie may be more heavily armed but it's to damn slow
No the tie would win.
T_REX1014 I can respect the choice, but explain man, lol don't leave me wandering around in the dark
soundedsilence32 explain to u what?
T_REX1014 why the tie wins
With fighter support, the MC90 wins every time. The Allegiance just has too few anti-starfighter emplacements to counter the MC90's ordinary embarked compliment of starfighters. Without fighter support, the Allegiance probably eight times out of ten since it was designed to be a capital ship killer. Not even MonCal shields would survive the sort of battering an Allegiance can delivery.
MC-ISD: While designed by the Mon Cal, the aesthetic is distinctly Imperial, as befitting an imposing policing vessel of the Galactic Empire. Design elements will include superior Mon Cal shielding & engines, and internal command bridge.
About 1200m. Distinctive wedge shape. No massive bridge structure.
Three-tier dorsal superstructure starting at about halfway down the length of the hull and scaling back in thirds.
Top tier serves as an observation, communication & fighter control bridge.
Middle tier serves as a platform for _anti-starfighter_ quad laser cannons, twenty to each beam.
Lower tier has _dual-purpose_ twin turbolasers, ten to each beam.
Mounted directly to the hull flanking the superstructure are quad _heavy_ turbolasers, five to each beam.
Two twin _super-heavy_ turbolasers are mounted forward of lower and middle tiers with twin ion cannon mounted immediately forward of superstructure on dorsal hull ridge.
Armament pattern repeats on ventral hull with three-tiered superstructure serving as enclosed armour for the otherwise exposed reactor dome.
Forward of ventral superstructure is a large open hangar/berth space to accommodate some manner of escort vessel (such as Raider-Class corvette).
In beam trenches along after half of vessel are two flight hangars for embarked wings of starfighters, allowing faster deployment than is typical on an ISD from less obvious kill zones.
Along beam trenches in forward half of vessel are (quantity undecided, likely five each in alternating positions) twin ion cannons and twin super-heavy turbolasers in wide angle casemates.
Additional uniform anti-starfighter armament (quad laser cannons) is scattered across forward dorsal and ventral hull.
Can you do a video explaining the difference in starship weapons. Ion cannons, proton torpedoes, turbolasers, turbolaser batteries etc.
+Benjamin Schröder good idea
That would be a good idea Benjamin Schroder.
ye would love dat to
I like that
@@EckhartsLadder I agree!
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The imperious class stardestroyer vs the nebula class please.🙏
Thank you
EckhartsLadder
Mandator Class Star Dreadnought vs Executor Super Star Destroyer
as u said about the SD the mon calamari would make the MC Galaxy Order Class Star Destroyer,
It is 1500meters, has standard ISD mk 1 and 2 life support and etc,
the sheild are better than any other imperial non battlecruier and ssd classes.
it would have 40 ion cannon in 1-4 cannon per turret on the ships upper hull.
it would have 12 octuple turrets like the allegiance and 10quad turrets in the section under and in front of the bridge and in the fron of the ship.
it would have 2 hangars like the venator class on each side and a hanger under the ship it would have 60 TIE fighters 25 TIE inteceptors and another 25 TIE bombers mainly located in the hanger under the ship for planetary bombardment.
it would have the same form as most imperial star destroyers but have some bulb like areas like the mc80-90 has on the ships and the sheild would be stronger than an ISD 2......
and another thing i am not a native English speaker i am student from Norway and pls keep the series going
EckhartsLadder executor ssd vs the mon cal equivalent known as the viscount it was made to directly match up to the ssd
Hammerhead Corvette vs CR90 (5th try)
AdmiralSupreme I wanna see this too...
Think the hammerhead would win, tougher and more armed larger too
He is talking about the Hammerhead from rebels i think not the Cruiser from KOTOR.
If it was the Cruiser Instead of the Corvette version it would be a stomp.
AdmiralSupreme I'd say it's the rebels version so it would be stomped
chris pearson But the hammerhead Corvettes were modified after SWRebels...
Eckharts Ladder The new republic use b-wings and K-wings. The y-wings where phased out a out a year after the formation of the New republic. Also they used e-wings occasionally.
They still had Y wings in reserve fleets and outer rim battle groups
the e wigns were still used in large numbers
To destroy an Allegiance you would just need to stay behind and beneath it, and able to remain there vs. the Allegiance's pitch and yaw rates. Its guns count for nothing if its superstructure is always in the way.
I would totally donate to a patreon. It doesn't matter that this isn't your full time job. You put out content on a consistant basis, thus you deserve some degree of income off it.
Also, thanks for featuring Otaking's TIE Figher short! It is amazing and deserves so much more attention than it has recieved.
PELICAN VS LAAT GUNSHIP
yes pls
i would like 2 see this as well i think the pelican would win tho
Sadly the LAAT is really powerful. The Pelican would be salughtered
A.K.A Matt which pelican from which game tho
Halo 4 pelican gunship- that would give the LAAT a run for it's money I think-no shields on either of them-so the SPLAZER would basically be a 1-shot KO-not to mention the missile turrets, the cannon, and machine gun. LAAT may have lasers and missiles-but the splazer I think would destroy it before it got in range
Allegiance + Quasar = 100% victory
A Quasar as support vs an MC90... nope two Ton Faulks... which puts 8 TIE Sqn, 2 TIE/Int Sqn and 2 TIE/SA Sqn as back up to the Alkegiamce vs 10 SQN of Alliance fighters and bombers backing up the MC90
I want to know how an MC90 gutted of its fighters in battle would stand up to Allegiance arriving fresh into the fight
Disagree with you on this. The Allegiance went away from fighters to go with super heavy shields. They wanted to go with a style of. "Fights can not hurt us." Type shielding. Fighters and bombers would get fried getting to close to the ship. They would have to wait for the MC90 to take out the shields before they could really do anything to the ship.
But weve seen time and again in the movies, legends and video games that fighters can often fly through deflector shields and deal damage while skirting the hull.
@@paulwasilewski9030 rebel propaganda :D
Harrower Class Vs Gladiator Class
Sith Empire's Finest Dreadnought Vs Galactic Empier's Smallest Star Destroyer!
Ok i think i suggested it 3-4 times Covernant Cso-class Supercarrier vs The executor class star destroyer
IRun iix this will get done once the new Halo reference book comes out.
EckhartsLadder ok when will it come out
August
EckhartsLadder perfection
The covenant super carrier is a whopping 28.96km.
Dude that TIE Fighter short you showed is one of my favorite videos.
lucrehulk class battleship vs. imperial 2 class star destroyer
Lucrehulk would win every time
anno 2070 fan 22 to be honest one isd is enough for it
caleb carithers Well, it depends on which variation, however the ISD still loses because of the amount of Star-fighters Every Lucrehulk ship has (1500), compared to 72 Star-fighters the ISD carries. Furthermore the ISD II doesn’t have a point defense, further playing into the 1500 Star-fighter advantage of the CIS ship. In all honesty though, the only way the ISD can win, is if they can use all their firepower to destroy the ship before it launches its fighters, which will be very unlikely.
anno 2070 fan 22 I can tell you the answer right now
No
Awesome video, very happy to see Versus make a big comeback on the channel lately!!!! :D
as soon as i have the money, i'd happily follow you on patreon. every time i see a new video from you it makes me smile. i love how well you take apart each ship or character and put them against each other. it's like death battle, but simplified in a fun appealing way. keep up the good work, and as soon as i have some money i'll pitch it your way. i know how it feels to need new equipment xD
TIE Interceptor vs Droid Tri-Fighter
The inset turrets on the edge of the Alleigance-class is actually quite clever. It forces any craft attempting to attack those turrets to either enter their field-of-view or at least be exposed to topside or underside turrets.
I vote for the Allegiance Star Destroyer, I'm feeling kinda Imperial today, enjoyed the match up! 😉👍
It wasn't bad Jacen Starhunter.
Allegiance is stronger ship. It has some fighters alongside shuttles but help from escort carrier will be adequate.
I love these series!
WOW, watching this almost 3 years later, INCREDIBLE how much the video quality has improved over the years
nj
Please do the A-Wing vs the TIE Interceptor. That is a very good matchup.
Do a "Z-95 (as it excited during the clone wars) vs. the TIE fighter (as it existed during the galactic civil war)"
I am not giving up
You said the MC-90's better maneuverability wouldn't really help. But you also said that one of the MC-90's disadavantages for heavy weapons was that it was designed more for broadsides. Wouldn't the better manueverability help with that?
Amazing Video!
Could we see a three part/topic video:
1) About The Killiks VS the Trade Federation.
2) Dart Ships and Nest Ships VS Vulture droids and Lucrehulk-class battleship.
3) As well as Killik Troops VS Battle Droids if ether side tried boarding the other.
The Imperious class star destoyer vs the nebula class
Providence class vs Victory II class please
I think this goes to the Providence. A Providence wins against an Venator, its only weakpoint in this battle ist the extreme starfighter support of the Venator. A Victory has much stronger weapons, maybe even stronger than a Providence, but not much Starfighers (TIEs). Hes kinda equal to the Venator. So it would be like that: The Providence gains air supperriority fast, then uses its starfighters AND firepower to destroy the Victory.
can you do General Grievous's Flagship the Invisible Hand vs an Imperial 2 class star Destroyer.
I feel the the mon calamari also can concentrate fire power like the imperial star destroyer, just they some will be blocked by the ship, so it's a hybrid. It does not have a pizza shape, but the turnip shape still help it to concentrate fire power, although the angle is not good
Very cool man 😎 I love this
You forgot in the first episode of the clone wars a C70 was able to tank more then a dousen turbolazer shots from two munifisent frigates
1. Inexpugnable-class tactical command ship VS Lucrehulk-class
2. Venator-class Star Destroyer VS Harrower-class dreadnought
3. Kom'rk-class fighter VS X-wing starfighter
4. Victory I-class Star Destroyer VS Harrower-class dreadnought
5. Kom'rk-class fighter VS StarViper-class attack platform
Actually, the 3D model created by fractalsponge has a visible docking bay. It is positioned at the exact same place as the secondary bay on regular star destroyer. If the ship was hangarless, it would be impossible to bring personnel into it while in space. Even if it's not big I suppose it would be capable of holding, at least, a diminutive fighter complement, as well as some transport shuttles.
I've seen you kinda question this before, but a full wing of fighters is 72. A full wing = 6 squadrons. For instance, a standard Imp SD carries a wing of TIEs, as does the MC90.Just sharing information. Love the series!
Recusant Class Light Destroyer vs Assault Frigate Mark I.
Liked the vid. One big problem I have with the comparison though. A smaller more agile ship would definitely try to get into a blind spot of its opponent provided it had the staying power to get there and its opponent had one. Lets take a look at both ships again...
Keldabe-class battleship vs MC80A (wingless). Should be a 'fair' fight.
The main problem for the Allegiance is that it has no anti-fighter capabilities. To me this gives the MC90 a clear advantage. Even if the MC90 is out-gunned it could stay largely out of range and wait for it's bombers to do the job.
Secutor-Class Star Destroyer vs MC-80 Home One or Resurgent Class or another Carrier like ship
tough one this , great video, id say Allegiance Star Destroyer
how about an episode about any planet based fort fighting ships in space via planetary guns? wouldn't it be better to fortify a planet than build a fleet?
Harbinger Class Hammerhead Cruiser vs Thranta Class Hammerhead Corvette ((Or modern hammerhead vs Thranta))
You gotta love those Mon calamari starships
how does one get off and on the allegiance class if there is no hanger
2:52, what was on the front of that X-wing picture? If I look up experimental x wings will I find out?
The hanger is on the bottom. It's probably the same size as that on the Imperial class, which makes it look smaller on the larger star destroyer.
Look toward the front of the ventral axial batteries. It has blast doors, but there it is.
Does that change your calculus on this matchup?
A good question...for another time
Those structures don’t look like point defense emplacements, but more like structural supports.
Bellator star destroyer vs covenant assault carrier, I thought this would be interesting 👌
@eckhartsladder have you seen the write up that is on Fractalsponge's page about the actual level of weapons systems found on the Bellator, Allegiance, etc? It's a lot more than was originally published.
community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/243600-ship-stats-fractalsponges-imperial-capital-ships/
@@jtonguam Interesting. It states that the Allegiance still has the smaller secondary hangar bay on the forward side.
No hangar? How the hell do you stock and supply it? I can't see it all being while in spaceport
The star fighter of the mon calla would tip the balance every time. May the force be with you
Hey Eckhart long time listener. Was going to ask about a more convoluted versus. A VS of the best rebel fleet you can think of versus an imperial both of moderate size and close tonnage.
probably irrelevant but those heavy guns are quad turbolasers, not octuple
The Valor Class Cruiser vs the Venator Class??
As they both rely on their fighters and neither are super strong anti-capital ships.
Love the videos man :)
Hammer Head corvette vs Marauder Cruiser, because why not!
You should do a tank/walker equivalent to this series. Start with forest teddy bear tripwire vs all the imperial walkers
MC90: *Launches all its fighters > Never even closes to gun range*
this is hilarious coming back considering how big Eck has become
B-Wing vs K-Wing. It would be interesting to see how a battle between two heavy assault starfighter would be.
Harrower - class dreadnought vs. Acclamator - class assault ship
Harrower wins with relative ease
Hey can you do one about The Borg Cooperative an The Borg Collective of Star Trek though they've never actually met in battle. An exclude the fact the Borg Cooperative were just random individuals that lost their Cube ship in the episode of "Unity" ( Star Trek Voyager s03e17 ). I'm thinking of this a years later scenario an they've become a force to be reckoned with. Please inform me if you intend to make a video an when it will be available?
Providence carrier vs imperial type 1 star destroyer
What is the circular thing on the underside of the star destoyer?
I mean V-19 vs. Tie fighter
I see you're learning the intricacies of primary armaments.
do a video of what would happen if a perfect copy of the first Death Star would use the death star laser against the first death star (death star firing at the death star) that would be pretty interesting
can you try to get the prize for the ships? as a new category?
Well done.
Can you explain what “the pride of the core” ssd is?
Plz do the mandator 2 class dreadnought from the republic vs super star destroyer from the imperials
I do agree with your assessment of the battle.... and in answer to your question.... I would expect a pickle shaped, well shielded, advanced star fighter carrying version of our beloved Mon Cal ships, but firing green instead of red... The ONLY reason I can think of the Mon Cals agreeing with such an alliance with the Empire is if Vader was there signing a treaty to exterminate the Quarren....
the tie advanced vs the inquisiters tie or 2 or 3 wut ever you think is equel vs a star destroyer
or a gozanti class cruiser vs c r 90 corvete modifiet to carrie a wings
X83 twintail vs. Tie defender pls and thx for the great videos
And what about the 4 proton torpedo launchers of the MC90?
I mean it could cause even more damage to the Alligeance
Ah, the enjoyment to be found in early Eck videos
how about the Bulwark mk2 vs the MC80 Home One plz
The 6 turbolasers on each sides are in fact quad heavy turbolasers and the 3 turrets on top are ion cannons
I got a lower decks ad on this vid
dont forget the moncalamari cruisers can rotate on their axis to expose shields and weapons systems so the shields can recharge when turned away
please I would really like to see a video about the eclipse versus the Death Star
I bet these ships would put up a hell of a fight before they go down.
Please start making more of those videos
The Mon Calamari Star Destroyer would be of normal size, between 1.5 und 2km long, carry a heavy fighter wing, alot of Landing Crafts and also very very strong armor an shielding. Also it would be sleeker and faster then normal imperial ships. Basicly it would be a bigger Venator class with round lines and the combination of carrier capabilities and Star Destroyer Firepower.... it would be called the “the Kraken Class“ and it would exclusively be in use against targets on which sea food is consumed.
Terminus class Destroyer vs Interdictor class Cruiser
Mon Cal engineers working for the Emoire would likely build ships similar in shape to ISDs and SSDs, but with all the sharp edges rounded off and weapons blisters scattered all over their hulls. More angular and scary-looking than what we see in Legends and Canon, but with their signature flowing style.
And scary tough shields.
And hanger bays chock full of highest quality TIEs (Defenders, Punishers, Advanced, Phantoms, Hunters, etc.), all with Mon Cal shielding as well.
They'd be badass, but make the Empire that much harder to overcome. Imperial Arrogance, Overbearance, and Hubris allowed the Rebel Alliance to form and eventually defeat the Evil Galactic Empire.
Doesn't those spherical turrets contain ion cannons?
I know this was an old video and this comment most likely won't be read at all but still, you asked a question. The Mon-Calamari Star Destroyer would be called the Fish, It would look like a giant, sideways statue of Ackbar and it would use the head as a battering ram. It would also have some turbolaser emplacements but they would have limited range due to the aforementioned shape of the ship.
Also, my vs request would be of characters: Darth Jar Jar (from the theories, not the literal Jar Jar) vs Darth Sidious. Would be funny. Specially since no one would suspect Jar Jar in-universe...
...being Snoke! XD
What about a _MC80 Home One type Star Cruiser_ vs a _Nebula-class Star Destroyer?_
God eckhart that's scary but id imagine that they would build a SD similar to the resurgence class give take a little and it would definitely be a front lines vessel
With the lack of hangar spaces and the cheap TIE fighter you would think that the Gladiator would be a staple ship in the imperial arsenal and act as an escort vessel for every single ISD, battlecruiser and dreadnought.
I think that a battle between the Death Star and the Star Forge would be the ultimate clash of titans. A battle of quantity versus quality of weaponry and a rather impressive sight
Death Star fires it's superlaser and destroys the Star Forge, sure it would still have a significant support fleet, but the Death Star is covered with turbolasers. I don't think they'd be able to destroy it.
@@keldabecc with the benefit of hindsight, I'm largely inclined to agree with you. I think the DS wins the majority of the times, but it could also depend on the location and prep time, since unlimited resources could make it difficult to get to the SF in the first place.
Regardless, though, I have to commend your commitment to respond to a random comment with no likes six years after the fact. Honestly just impressive
actually, the bulk of the mc-90's main weaposn can fire forward, they can also broadside with a lot of their guns too, the ship might have an odd shape, but it follows a very similar design philosophy to the triangle shape star destroyers in that almost all of it's fire power is pointed down the nose.
Do the Death Star vs the eclipse star Dreadnought
Stargate's BC-304 Daedalus class vs. Imperial II class Star Destroyer plz