The Real Reason Wrestlers "Duck"

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  • čas přidán 18. 02. 2024
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  • @brenttonjohnson8132
    @brenttonjohnson8132 Před 4 měsíci +23

    Ain't nobody walking up to Tom Brands talking about "hey coach we got Penn state this week, I'm undefeated right now so I was thinking I could play it safe and sit out this meet" 😂

  • @tropicalterrarium1742
    @tropicalterrarium1742 Před 4 měsíci +13

    Any experienced wrestler knows it is usually harder to beat a good wrestler twice than once.

  • @brenttonjohnson8132
    @brenttonjohnson8132 Před 4 měsíci +13

    Wouldn't this fall on the coaches in the end if it was considered ducking? They make the final call on the lineups.

    • @StarcraftDr
      @StarcraftDr Před 4 měsíci +1

      Seems like a good point to me… HC has the final say I would assume

    • @brenttonjohnson8132
      @brenttonjohnson8132 Před 4 měsíci

      It's all just a build up to those final brackets. The drama and anticipation makes for a better final show.

  • @ashurany
    @ashurany Před 4 měsíci +10

    If it ducks like a duck, it's ducking...no matter how much folks want to explain it away.

  • @elvisalcomb2098
    @elvisalcomb2098 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Thanks for saying this man, people miss matches for different reasons

  • @theriskid
    @theriskid Před 4 měsíci +2

    If I can't say "duck" anymore, I'm gonna start calling a duck-under a coffee grinder.

  • @sbjaimz224
    @sbjaimz224 Před 4 měsíci +8

    No. It’s wrestling. Quit duckin smoke.

    • @shogunjobu
      @shogunjobu Před 4 měsíci +3

      Boom. If a coach and/ or wrestler is offended/ triggered by the word. That too tells you something

    • @jomama969
      @jomama969 Před 4 měsíci

      Go be a coach then if you think it’s that simple.

    • @shogunjobu
      @shogunjobu Před 4 měsíci +1

      @jomama969 it is that simple. Ya gotta wrestle.

  • @terryklender4209
    @terryklender4209 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Cael said Nagao is sick, it’s been going thru the team.

  • @colesmatteo
    @colesmatteo Před 4 měsíci +2

    people miss matches for different reasons, sure, but how many guys are sitting out versus somebody they might consider an easy win? and how hurt can you really be if you think you're well enough to wrestle an unranked guy but not well enough to wrestle a top ranked guy? you can exacerbate an injury either way.
    fear of losing is real and anyone who's followed the sport knows that the top guys are wrestling fewer matches than they did even ten years ago.
    maybe the ducking discourse is a good mechanism for limiting ducking.

  • @shogunjobu
    @shogunjobu Před 4 měsíci +4

    Also a fans perspective is we buy tickets to see the big name. Give kids a bigger incentive for wrestling throughout the year

    • @Jacknippleson1
      @Jacknippleson1 Před 4 měsíci

      They don’t care about the fans if they are sick or injured man, why risk your post season for a dual if you’re not 100%. These people dedicate their lives to this.

    • @shogunjobu
      @shogunjobu Před 4 měsíci +1

      @Jacknippleson1 as a former competitor. I'm aware of the nuances of the sport. I get what you want to mean. While in the competition mist you can't worry about outside noises, you have to be hyper focused. Big picture though the sport. Not individual wrestlers the sport better worry about fan support and participation. I also think fans of wrestling need to be better at supporting the sport. Just my thoughts

  • @chrisreetz4117
    @chrisreetz4117 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Ducking is the name of the game in college wrestling the past few years 8-10 years ago if a guy didn't have at least 25 matches before there conference tournament it was strange now 12-15 is the norm & 25 is rare. Psu & iowa haven't wreastled a major tournament since 2020 psu was always at southern scuffle. Iowa midlands. Nebraska & ohio state have gotten a good amount of matches.

    • @shogunjobu
      @shogunjobu Před 4 měsíci +1

      Some valid points. I personally think there needs to be a bigger incentive for wrestling throughout the year..

  • @albertalexander2347
    @albertalexander2347 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Maybe the athletes aren't playing the game, but coaches are and they have to; in order to get back ups/future wrestlers matches as well as for seeding reasons...
    And I believe McGee beating Barnett give Iowa reason to sit Ayala against Wisconsin and Van Dee beating Ragusin gives Cael reason to sit Nago against Michigan.. These things go into coaches decisions for sure..
    It's a long season... let's not act like seeding doesn't carry any weight.

  • @donthomas4793
    @donthomas4793 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Yeah, if someone’s legitimately hurt or ill, but if you fit and ready to go, this is wrestling not badminton.

  • @iangalt6899
    @iangalt6899 Před 4 měsíci

    I think they should do seeding based purely on counting stats to influence the top guys to wrestle more. I hate that duals are so often wrestled with swiss cheese lineups of backups. Duals are probably my favorite part of wrestling, as a spectator it's so much fun to go and watch. Lehigh vs Cornell. Vito sat out, didn't wrestle Crookham. Maybe toss in a match requirement for NCAAs. I hate seeing NCAA Finals where someone's record for the entire year is like 12-1 or 10-0 or some shit. Require someone to wrestle in an open tournament and all but one or two duals or something. Have seeding points. My county in high school would base seeding off of counting stats (ie 4 points for a win at a dual, 1 point per win at a tournament and some more points for placing). Would like to see that. Or national duals where the seeds for that are based off of conference dual records or something so Penn State doesn't sit their entire lineup because they got a paper cut doing their homework

  • @CharlieB-gs5uk
    @CharlieB-gs5uk Před 4 měsíci

    Did Nagao or Ayala weigh in?

    • @TimM-wk1zx
      @TimM-wk1zx Před 4 měsíci

      Ayala wasn’t in the building supposedly

  • @benjaminminton3811
    @benjaminminton3811 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I am sorry to burst your bubble but the only criteria to seeding in the NCAA is previous podium place winners always get the seed before rankings & records. Freshman should not get a seed.

    • @kristopherwilson506
      @kristopherwilson506 Před 4 měsíci +1

      this is wholly untrue lmao. the criteria is conference tourney finish (each conference gets a certain amount of auto bids) and RPI (your win%, opponent's win%, and opponent's opponent win%, I believe).
      "Freshman should not get a seed" what does that mean? Even though they wrestled during the year like everyone else, they should be randomly drawn into the bracket? Where's the logic in that? Imagine if Lee wrestled Suriano or if Yianni wrestled Meredith in the first or second round of NCAAs in 2018? Wouldn't make much sense if a freshman that beats the best guys at the weight was randomly drawn into the bracket or seeded lower than them

    • @increasearmadillo3032
      @increasearmadillo3032 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Than why did Brooks get the #3 last year

  • @BadWolfMMANashville
    @BadWolfMMANashville Před 4 měsíci

    They aren’t ducking to gain seed advantage. They are ducking to not destroy the confidence of one wrestler and to not boost the confidence of another wrestler.

    • @brenttonjohnson8132
      @brenttonjohnson8132 Před 4 měsíci

      Like I said it falls on the coaches if someone does have the opinion that a wrestler is "ducking". The coaches run the team not the wrestlers.

  • @bilbobaggins7095
    @bilbobaggins7095 Před 4 měsíci

    Tom Brands often has his guys duck because he thinks his guy is worse the 2nd time out because maybe they have a tricky slide bye that works the first time but not the second.

  • @joeyfung-i
    @joeyfung-i Před 4 měsíci

    Idk, my opinion Nagao could have went either way. As a Penn St I hope not because Cael would have had to play a part. I believe the sickness.
    On the other hand, there is def ducking going on in NCAA

  • @jesusrojas5628
    @jesusrojas5628 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Ridge Lovett ducking sasso and yianni by redshirting

    • @kristopherwilson506
      @kristopherwilson506 Před 4 měsíci +1

      yeah but technically he ducked everybody by redshirting😂

  • @steveellis8980
    @steveellis8980 Před 4 měsíci

    I’m not sure why you’re defending this. Ducking happens. There are many advantages to it. When seeding time comes for conference tournaments, or for the big tournament in March, the number of wins and losses makes a difference, the record against shared opponents, makes a difference. If you’re number three, you don’t have to wrestle the number one guy until the finals. Seeding makes a difference. Do you honestly believe Ramirez is the only one who has ducked this year? People duck.

  • @increasearmadillo3032
    @increasearmadillo3032 Před 4 měsíci

    It’s definitely not for seeding. I mean Brooks was a 3 seed last year because he didn’t “wrestle enough”

  • @christianpyles1820
    @christianpyles1820 Před 4 měsíci +1

    It's not a duck if you aren't available! Do you agree?

  • @djp3525
    @djp3525 Před 4 měsíci

    Yeah but what if it’s a Super Duck?

  • @joebuck4957
    @joebuck4957 Před měsícem

    They duck becuase they have fragilie ego's and don't want to take a loss.

  • @suspiciousneighbor4799
    @suspiciousneighbor4799 Před 4 měsíci

    Ducking is killing the sport just as flow is

  • @OneCraZyWhoDat
    @OneCraZyWhoDat Před 4 měsíci +2

    Ayala ducked him.

  • @richardrockie5475
    @richardrockie5475 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Ayala clearly ducked Barnett and you have Tom Brands to thank for that !

  • @haynwarrior2k2
    @haynwarrior2k2 Před 4 měsíci

    How about Arnold calling out Starocci saying he’d see him and then not seeing him?
    Isn’t that a duck?

    • @thestrongestnerd4284
      @thestrongestnerd4284 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Arnold’s been hurt so unfortunately he only got cleared recently to wrestle again

    • @haynwarrior2k2
      @haynwarrior2k2 Před 4 měsíci

      @@thestrongestnerd4284 ah okay, didn’t hear about his injury.

    • @mattcary8075
      @mattcary8075 Před 4 měsíci

      @@haynwarrior2k2and he should be able to wrestle him next year

    • @haynwarrior2k2
      @haynwarrior2k2 Před 4 měsíci

      @@mattcary8075 Is Starocci coming back?

  • @rickemery7186
    @rickemery7186 Před 4 měsíci +2

    A legitimate duck was when Arnold was in street clothes at the Penn state dual and didn't compete against Carter. All smoke. Yes he's talented, but show up and get humbled.

  • @josephthurston1
    @josephthurston1 Před 4 měsíci

    Has Christina Pyles Ever Wrestled

    • @TimM-wk1zx
      @TimM-wk1zx Před 4 měsíci +1

      He said on show 1000 he jumps in the air if his wife happens to meet him in a doorway….He doesn’t look physically like he could wrestle a subway sandwich.