8.6 Blackout Intro Out To 500 Yards
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In this video we take a look at the new 8.6 Blackout. We look at the good, some challenges the round will have to overcome, and some initial performance that we had with it.
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To date, this is the most informative video in 8.6 blk yet.
Really appreciate that man! That’s what I was striving for, good info and cut out the fluff. Thanks for watching!
I am of opinion we now have to keep spamming ammo manufacturers with requests of making more of ammo - namely Hornady and S&B to get reasonably priced training stuff to get more ppl interested in builds etc. as when ammo is available even conservative gun makers will react eg for new CZ600 you only need 8.6 barrel and it is easy to swap.
Damn straight my friend!
Lol 😂 indeed.
I can definitely see 8.6BLK subsonic being used for special operations when shooting through barriers like walls and windows and so on. Garand Thumb did a downrange comparison video of the sounds of subsonic and suppressed rounds going overhead - and it was WILD how little sound both 300BLK and 8.6BLK make in subsonic form.
The quest for subsonic toys created a long, super high twist rate round I have wanted for years. Solid cooper doesn’t fly apart at extreme twist rates. Longer was always better but lead never could hold up.
Next, We need small caliber 55-grain bullets with high twist rates at blazing speeds. Shooting needle like bullets are the future. The first company to figure it out will change the battlefield forever.
I’m all for it! Thanks for watching!
none of this is really new. SSK industries was developing this as well as the 300blk for years referred to as the 300 whisper which under the reloading users name of 300/221, which became the 300 blk.
300 whisper(300blk), 338 whisper(8.6 blk).... etc.... were all developed by SSK. I'm all for things being available on the commercial user market, but there have been several people that have claimed to have "designed it". if trimming a case down like a thousandth or so counts as "designing" I guess.
@@hunterromano5562 Big bullets going subsonic isn't new. Bullets so long that they require 1 in 3 twists are what is new.
Maker Bullets now has a 8.6 subsonic in 300gr and 350gr . early gel tests show wicked expansion and twisting of the petals along with outstanding accuracy at subsonic velocities .
I'm glad you got this done brother... DEFINITELY looking to wrench them up this evening! We unloaded 144 joints of barrel material las5 night... we're going all day and night again, lol... typing and eating for a hot minute. I had suggested to " __" about a rifling we have used in the past for " special projects & testing " such as these barrels... 12 are on the KERN as I type , also we are setting up for a few separate runs of them right now for the PVD chambers... a couple sets run in 70's tiger stripe, a couple in Rhodesian Camo, and a couple in an AMBIENT AGED COPPER mix... that simulate a " very dark flat black " look... along with their billet actions, trigger shoes, bases rings, and two final runs on 3 ( not 8.6 ) barrels and actions with a " RED... as in Red Cornellison... C. F. wrap with a " new " weave that looks like Candy Apple Red " for a NBRSA contender coming out of the autoclave soon... this is the 5th run... maintaning top level accuracy... these bbl's all shoot in the .100's... every time. KUDO'S brother for another video that proves that you all are " killing it " AS USUAL.... gotta run, will check in when I can breathe, lol! Seth
AP2020 is the man! And so are you! Gun community is the best!
this round is great cause im an elk hunter in colorado. This rounds ranges and capability seems perfect for the woods here.
Too slow. You get exponentially more energy with more velocity.
There are supersonic loadings available, I just didn’t feature any because they don’t excite me as much as the subs. Thanks for watching.
I think that would be awesome man! Thanks for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal I understand that is the genius behind the round. However, I don’t think Merk meant he wanted to use supers on elk.
I haven’t seen the energy numbers but it seems like .308 would deliver more energy than 8.6 blackout supers from the velocity alone.
@@coreymoyers i did mean i wanted to use supers, the farthest shot ive had on an elk anywhere ive hunted is 200 yards. Short package even when supressed shooting supers is perfect. And the 8.6 def has the same if not more energy than 308 👍
8.6 Cosby was the first name.
But blackout makes more long term sense.
Keep up the amazing videos and content!!!
I think Cosby is fitting since he caused a lot of blackouts
to me it makes a lot of sense. i shoot 338lm and have a bunch of bullets stocked up. the 300blk was good , but lacked real energy on target. especially at range. a 300 or 340 grain .338 projectile is a large increase of terminal energy.
8.6 blackout seems like the perfect military round from 150-350 yards.
As always nicely done, great detail and depth. Thank you. I've only shot a demo gun in 8.6 and it didn't run reliably.
Thank you for taking the time to watch man!
awesome video - as always....Thanks for taking us along., AA.
Really appreciate you taking the time to watch!
@Alabama Arsenal very nicely produced video. Absolutely love the narration. Thank you for the shout out! Someday I'll make my way down to Alabama with my high speed slow motion video camera in tow! Just promise that we'll go hog hunting!!💯🇺🇸💥
Make it so!
Solid video as always AA. I have an AB Raptor can chambered for .375 that I was using for 9x39 before it dried up and now I’m sorely tempted to put an 8.6 build together…
In Arnold voice "DO IT!!!!"
Love my Arken EP5! Excellent glass choice. Once this picks of steam on the reloading front, I’ll have to pick up a barrel for my TL3.
Very happy to see you do a video on 8.6 and can’t wait for your reviews on the guns in this video!
Thanks man! We're working on it! Thanks for watching!
AA with another phenomenal review. I hope this takes off. It’s a super 300 blackout and looking at the terminal ballistics and energy transfer this would be a great home defense round as well as hunting in a sbr ar10 platform even while subsonic.
Yes indeed, it has a lot of cool attributes. I hope someone can figure out how to make the ammo a little cheaper but I guess you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Thanks for watching!
I'll support that AR10 SBR all day long.
Get rid of that NFA and a SBR in an eight in barrel with a 1:3 twist and I am in
@@robertpollard3512 you'd be on board with aaallllllll the money it would cost to run this system but you're sweating a tax stamp?
BIG
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@UrMomGhEy No ma'am. I am sweating a violation of my God given rights. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is in black and white. The NFA is a strict violation of said rights. Anything else you'd like to know or would you like to continue sounding ignorant?
The 1:3 twist takes some getting used to. Do not use lead core bullets especially with a suppressor. The bullet will immediately start to explode upon leaving the barrel and will take the business end of the suppressor with it. I speak from experience!
I also learned that most brass conversion (308 to 8.6) requires neck turning to < 0.015”. If greater than 0.015” expect to be frustrated with stuck cases in the chamber.
So only solid copper or brass ? This round is now off my list
Bonded bullets are recommended. Sticking with subsonic velocities around 1K works well. Im also having great accuracy and luck with cast bullets 310gr. Faxon's load data for supers is over pressured and needs to be approached with extreme caution
The verdict is still out on weather the non-bonded bullets are good at subsonic velocities. Q/Faxon say it is, but after destroying my can with the non-bonded Hornady ELDs, I’m not going to risk it. That said, I have shot non-bonded bullets without the suppressor to fire-form my brass. I just have to use extra pre-caution because nothing is safe forward of the muzzle when the bullet comes apart. I saw ceiling tile and wall strikes caused by my exploding rounds.
Lastly, I have had a lot of success shooting 198grain Zinc cast bullets without them exploding. I wish I could explore the terminal effects of the Zinc bullet. I’m sure it’s more of a penetrator round, good for poking holes and things.
@@bobborlog1677 it’s pretty expensive staying with monolithic bullets and there’s not much verity. The none bonded sub-sonics work, but have questionable terminal efforts on hogs.
@@EagleEyeShooting czcams.com/video/GRaZWmiC3IA/video.html
I'm loving the 12" barrel I put together. It's a thumper!!!
Man. I have moved away from Hornady/Winchester brass for my 6.5 over to the Lapua. I have a metric ton of twice fired brass.........My wallet just coded! Great video sir
Beautiful. Amazing build, great video, and a very cool cartridge
It is a very impressive subsonic cartridge. Thanks for watching
1-3 twist with a .338LM bullet, which basically only has high BC bullets, will make it very accurate. A low twist rate is useful for stabilizing at subsonic speeds. Usually the .338LM has a 1-10 twist. If I would get this it would be as a bolt action for hunting.
Thank you.
In my opinion 8.6 Creedmoor is the supersonic round.
8.6 Blackout is the subsonic round.
Very excited to see how this thing performs and hits the market over the next couple years. As always demand will be stupid high right out the gate, give it time it’ll simmer. I’ll be ready to snag one in a year or two. Really looking forward to it
Awesome video,guns ,& content as always!! Can’t wait to hear more about the caliber specific can.
Oh you’ll definitely be hearing more from that, I assure you! LOL. Thanks for watching man.
Been down the BO road for a while. Was an early adopter of both the 300 blackout and 458 socom. When the 8.6 can compete with the subsonic 400 grain expanding I am shooting in my socom, I might ride this train too. I just do not see enough information out there yet on the subsonic terminal ballistics. If you know of some please point me in that direction.
I still haven't finished 8.6 blackout Remington 700 but I have everything but the suppressor now so I'm gna finish assembling it during this hurricane Ian. I'll post a video on my shitty little channel after I finish it.
@Invalid Characters I understand that it’s the same as .338
@Invalid Characters I got the Silencerco Hybrid 46m for my build because it can pretty shoot anything under .46 caliber with 8.6 being a .338 caliber. There's several .46 caliber suppressors out there and the Silencerco 36m which is like a rifle rated 9mm suppressor or you could get a dedicated 338 suppressor.
Once again, you've made my retirement nest egg even smaller. I'd love a 12.5 AR-10 version of this round.
I don’t understand why so many people count out a subsonic hunting rifle: most 12ga slugs become transonic around 100 yards and are still deadly (I wouldn’t recommend using it at those distances not because of its drop but because of the loss of accuracy).
This is for sure a niche round, but as you said in the video, it serves that niche very well: hunters that want to hit medium sized game up to 500 yards while keeping everything as quiet as possible in a familiar platform.
Man I gotta say, your taste is phenomenal. Never thought a murdered out Woox chassis could look so good!
Great video as always. Keep up the amazing work. You answered a lot of questions for a lot of people.
That bolt action is nice!
Scar 17 sbr/fal sbr/mk14 ebr etcetera in 8.6 blackout are now on my dream gun list
LOL! That would be awesome!
AR10 though, part commonality and all
If we're dreaming, then my pick is the Mk48.
Your vid’s are simply awesome sir, 8.6 is one of my dream builds ever since I heard about it. Like a big turbo in a little Honda…that is what I see when I hear and see 8.6
You guys teach me smart stuff 😉 Mos def one of the best 2A channels on Y.T!!
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
Looks like a whole lot of fun,,,
Awesome video as always brother! 🙌 This is really exciting stuff and we're are so thrilled to see Callaway loading 8.6 now! 🔥
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
Ah man that GQ Paladin 10 is sweet
Your content is always so professional. I can’t believe you don’t have more subscribers. Great video. Thank you.
8.6 gives you 2 hunting rifles for the price of 1. With a rack of the bolt you go from a deer rifle to an elk gun
Very good point! Thanks for watching!
That bolt gun is awesome. Great build
The reason why I am interested is that we are getting closer to something like 12.7x55 in more common semiautos. MDR in 8.6 BLK would be awesome.
Cool video thanks.
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
Now I want someone to make a 50 Blackout. I saw Diligent Defense is game to make a suppressor for such a thing. Let's make this happen!
There’s actually something called a 510 whisper, but going 50 cal creates issues like I discussed in the video. Also if you use like a 50Beowolf 50 cal you don’t have a very good BC. Thanks for watching
@@AlabamaArsenal oh I know, it probably has to be made from 300WSM brass, and then it would only work in bolt guns. But I bet you could break the 1000ft-lb barrier with subsonic loads, which would be awesome!
@@letsgobrandon416 it uses cut down 338 LM brass. Sooooooo 510 whisper is a very expensive round! It was also created by the guy who invented the 310 whisper(before AAC stole it and called it 300 blk) But it is 1000 yard capable and had a shit ton of energy.
@@MichaelStroup that guy died during covid right? used to see him at the show in Conroe TX in the late 90's when he first developed 300 whisper..he was working with Robinson Arms back then on their early piston AR before it went to trials
guy was a sweetheart and knew his shit
those old guys were pure gold...they don't make em like that anymore 😔
@@joshuamitcham1519 J.D. Jones is still very much alive.
That bolt gun is amazing
Appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
Glorious work, gentlemen!
Appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
What elevation did you have to dial for the 525yd shot?
Great, now I want an 8.6blk battle rifle...
Lol! They’re pretty cool! Thanks for watching!
Hickock and DemRanch are throwing rocks in comparison. Well Done!
I’ve been waiting for 8.6 Blackout for years now lol
Twist rate stabilization is more dependant on bullet length than bullet weight.
Still think that 338 blackout would have been a cooler name. But I will have one in a few years when ammo becomes more a available
Yeah the ammo is an issue at the moment. Thanks for watching!
MCX Raptor in 8.6 BLK will put big high caliber on the map.
I actually got notified several hours after the video was released. I did not see this video in my feed immediately. I wish you were also on other platforms like Rumble, Odysee, and Utreon.
Man you should work some kinda voice actor your voice comes me down so much you don’t even imagine sometimes I’ll just play one of your videos to go to sleep and awesome videos as well. 😊
LOL! Really appreciate that ! Thanks for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal my pleasure!!
I swear man you have the best channel for info and quality.. this channel should have way more subs and people supporting it... keep up the good work man I'm wanting to get a 12 inch barrel for one of my ar10s and try it out but I love the way the bolt guns look too so I'm making my mind up thanks for all the info brother..
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
I am behind I just got locked into my 6.5PRC will watch from the sideline.
6.5PRC is a phenomenal round! Might be a good move waiting on the sidelines, maybe someone can figure out how to get the ammo cost on this down. Thanks for watching.
Less than 0.2% of the overall energy is created due to rotational kinetic energy of the bullet (even with a 1 in 3 twist).
If the bullets were supersonic you might achieve just under 1% of the total energy. An 8.6 Blackout bullet has about 950 J of energy at subsonic speeds.
Thank you 😊
Thank you for watching!
Nicely Done Brother! 8.6 Excites Me
Thanks man! And appreciate you watching!
Great video and summary! Appreciate the shout out 😉
I missed what tripod setup you’re using…but sure am interested in your recommendation. Superb videography and content as usual!
Really appreciate that man! Its a Two Vets Sporting Goods No Name tripod, I've been extremely happy with it. Thanks for watching!
i want to see more on that paladin 10!
I like the idea of the cartridge, but for me it's just another chambering I can't afford to indulge, no less stockpile. At the prices that I see on the shelf for other 338 ammo, I wouldn't be surprised to see a box of 8.6 selling for a hundred bucks or more. Maybe someday I'll look at it, but not now. Great video, though.
Love your great reviews!!!😉👍🇺🇸👊
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
Awesome video. Dropping all the knowledge
Do the subsonic rounds have cold bore 1st round flyers? If you let the barrel cool, would the first shot still impact the plate at 500".
Nice looking rig
Appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
Excellent Wild Hog Round. Mid Range Urban Sniping However Longer Ranges It Drops Far To Much For Consistency In Accuracy When So Many Others Do Long Range So Far Superior To The 8.6 & The Ammo Is Ludicrous For Most.👍😀🇺🇸
Now try the 8.6 BO Killer… the .375 Raptor!!
Cheap barrel and convertible brass is all I needed to hear. Wish they threaded them 5/8-24
I was looking to see if I could find an 8.6 blk barrel for a Howa 1500 I have had for a few years and I came across a company called MOS-TEK that looks to be willing to make 8.6 blk barrels for a good variety of rifles and with a fairly decent selection of threading options. I realize that they are definitely not cheap depending on what options you select. However the price doesn't seem unreasonable to me for a custom barrel. I'm thinking about ordering one in a few months for that Howa I got for a steal a few years back.
@@flintrivermonster2773 I thought howa’s were the same thread pitch as rem 700? I thought that was what faxon’s bolt barrels were? I could be wrong. Have you checked with X-caliber? I think they do custom barrels for reasonable money. Good luck!
@@jeffhuntley2921 I have not checked X-caliber. I believe that Howa uses a metric thread that is different than the action threads used on the Remington 700. If they were the same I would definitely be all over one of the Faxon 700 barrels.
Nice gun!
Do you think a primary arms 300blk/ 762x39 scope could possibly line up with 8.6 blk give the amount of drop 8.6 has
Not exactly, the drop isn’t the same. Thanks for watching!
I’m assuming you guys are FFL/SOT bc it’s the only way I can see you getting these brand new cans so fast unless u are putting in paperwork way before they are launched. Love this channel
Matt
Awesome video. Would love me an 8.6 in AR10. Keep up the great work and content.
I hope the subsonic rounds only cost $5 a round this way my range expenses can be 10k a year lol.
First video suggested in a while, been subbed for years. As always quality content- just missing the old music....
For the new crowd, the old jam starts 3 mins in.
LOL! I actually just won a long disputed copyright battle for the old music. Really long story but some of it may be coming back a little with some of the newer stuff too. Thanks for watching and so glad CZcams gave me a recommendation!
I really enjoyed your breakdown. Good job! As a safety concern, the shooters not wearing eye protection is disconcerting. You're not going to get many dates if you're wearing an eye patch.
Top quality videos at all times ❤
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
Other than the 1:3 twist doesn’t seem much different than a 338 federal
Good info
Sweet!
Love your videos. They are so Awesome and informative. Keep Rocking it guys.
Will you make a review video on the Arken EP-5?
The 160 grain bullet pushing 2250 from a 12 inch barrel isn't exactly slacking
With the little bit of data gathering for the OAL I am glad I will not have to purchase 100 doll hair AICS mags for extra long rounds.
You shouldn't, although at some point I'm sure someone will come up with a load that requires it. but from what Ive seen on several of the current loading you should be good. Thanks for watching!
Also wondering why you didn’t try it with the cgs Hecate can? The rec silentium seems like a solid lower price can for 338. Bore size doesn’t really seem to effect the price.
Air gun report , 500 yard plus range , sounds like a party to me.
Very in depth review, thank you. I had a question about the arc rings you are using. Are the hinge pins anodized black? Also, how do you like them?
I just found your channel super impressed and subscribed
Welcome aboard! Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
Great stuff as always Brother
Appreciate you watching brother!
Terrific review, sir, as always. 8.6 BO .... someday.
So, what you’re telling me is that I can switch barrels in my POF Revolution and I’ll have an 8.6 Blackout rifle…. Merica!
I thought the same thing but was told by POF that it wouldn’t work due to their proprietary barrel. 😢
To my understanding the upper to barrel extension fitment is small frame/AR15 sized Not Large Frame/AR10.
As only items that are interchangeable w/ar15 are CH/Carrier, Saftey, Trigger/trigger pins& maybe the rail?
I believe the ReceiverSet/Bolt/Barrel are all a proprietary kinda deal on POF Revolution/POF Revolution DI.
As the only thing that pissed me off is after 2years of researching & reading/watching any review I could find, not a single person mentioned feed ramp BS. As why POF doesn’t simply just address this issue w/factory polishing/offer discounted feedRamp Polishing ect,
As a gun leaving factory that can’t cycle any load is bs. At first min would destroy 168g eld match from Hornady by wedging between bolt & jamming Bullet into feed ramps locking up action.
POF’s Solution to my cycling issues, as to end them a non-reliable rifle I had to pay 300 over msrp to even get my hands on. Thus, THEN They Told me the malfunction was NO issue/couldn’t be replicated. As if I wanted it to cycle the. Don’t feed it soft Point rounds, I’ve never one even bought much less loading into mag n fired. So THEIR “solution” was to not fire an ammo I never fired. You, know or they could simply offer it properly functioning direct from factory so I didn’t have to worry about USPS trying steal that Bush A Gain.
that gun gives me wood
LOL! Thanks for watching!
Roll with the 300. 8.6 and 458 socom
Why did you not use any of the Q products? They invented the round and have one of the best rifles for this bullet.
If you want Q products seen on the channel please tell Q. But actually this particular video was made before any Q products were actually available, I believe. Thanks for watching!
Nice
Appreciate you watching brother!
Sweet ..