Gravitas | Raisi's Chopper Crash: The final moments & the last phone call | WION
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- In an interview with Iranian media, the Chief of Staff of Iran's late President Ebrahim Raisi recalled the final moments before the chopper ferrying Iran's President disappeared. The official says there was no fog that day, the weather was clear, and they were able to get in touch with one of the passengers of the ill-fated chopper after it disappeared. Gravitas brings you the details.
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They launched $100 million worth of missiles in Israel, but they had him flying in a 45-year-old helicopter?
They have no one to blame but themselves.
Blame US instead, by blocking helicopter maintenance parts and technicians, also blocking Iran from buying modern helicopters.
Why did they not buy them from other Allies. Russia would sell the helicopters. Excuses
😂😂
@fahey7335 Could they not build their own then, obe wonders. But, these old ones are obviously vèry trustworthy. 😊
😂😂😅😅
So just to be clear no one has the foggiest idea of what happened.
Well said !
😂😂😂
😢😢😂😂
I know the truth: It was a new weapon from Israel called DAVID´S FART (is not David´s Sling). This new one is much more terrible.
lol
The Chief of Staff saying there was no fog or clouds directly contradicts the video that has been made public. This is exactly what happened to Kobe Bryant.
You know you’re dead when Kobe helps you get out of the chopper and escorts you to hell.
@@soonerfrac4611Lucifer would take care if that....such irony as Iran referred to US as the great Satan
No fog??? The video showed fog so thick could hardly see a thing.
Can you trust the video? The most detailed weather accounts for that region for the day have been ‘removed’ why? If there’s nothing to hide
@@melmorrison1400 NASA has satellites that detect fires around the globe. They did not spot the fire which means either fog or thick clouds. OR there was no sustained fire, but that opens an entirely new scenario…
Looks like heavy fog & the leaders look like they know what's coming.
@@TerryButterfield do you trust ‘Not A Space Association’ 😉
The narrator wants to cloud the issue by throwing out vague conspiracies. There was thick fog as happened in the case of the Kobe Bryant copter crash.
Every time something happens you try and blame Israel you make me sick. That man was disliked by his own people and he was killing his own people nothing but evil.
1:30
TRUTH. The SOB is in his new heated abode, no air conditioning neither...
130 ???
al lah knows best
Yeah. Shouldn't blame Israel. After all they are just dropping food all over Gaza. Why did the food explode? Perhaps there was a mistake somewhere.
Why are they blaming other countries? Why not look inside their own first?
They want to blame someone besides their own incompetence! Period
For the sheep they don't know the history they believe everything on their local news reported and that is their truth and nothing else !
because the clear cut evidence is hard to sidetrack
@@foxtrott26 how is it clear evidence when you guys only go by what America said ?
@@rashidabdur-rahim1012 havnt u been paying attention 3 world leaders lives were attempted on this week drc Congos slovakias and irans. 2 failed wake up
Former chopper pilot and technician. Noted: This larger version was design with a 4 blade roter. But pictured with only a two blade roter. This would limit both speed of lift, maximum altitude and speed. Further noted, that load capacity would also be affected. The number of souls on board were listed as maximum for a 4 roter chopper but only had two.
So what likely happened. Chopper could not gain altitude as quickly as necessary, foggy conditions made finding a way across the area difficult but impossible!
Yes. The pilot in the president's copter was calling for the helicopters above him to climb so he could climb, just before the crash. Perhaps the downwash from the copters above were interfering with the one below and they ran out of time, could not gain altitude and hit a mountain.
IT WAS an MI-17 variant Mikoylan RUSSIAN helicopter. ie, Look at tail plane at crash site AND the small side window panel shown in some wreckage.
Sounds right they don't know how to fly in formation with helicopters above cause the helicopter with President underneath them two helicopters crashing in to mountain.
*ROTOR
NOT "roter".
Thank you for your explanation. Very sad no matter what.
It was the red Sea scenario that played out in the sky. The mysterious fog stands for the sea, the chopper stands for the chariot while the president is of course the Pharaoh.
Fairytale.
@@elisabetesuzana truth
Amen .God's judgement .Israel God is same Yesterday today forever .
Divine justice
Exodus 14:13-14 I will fight for you and you shall hold your peace ☮️
pish posh
Read Israelites history lately ??
you are speaking of Satan
Amen
Revelations 2:9
Perhaps there's a supernatural angle to this
Amen
You might be right.
We don't know
God's plan to every individual
AMEN 🙏
I even think this is very possible..
“The weather was perfectly clear above the CLOUDS.”
Yes and above the clouds ☁️ is the almighty God
Luckily he didn’t go up but down.
Sounds like a miraculous act of God
He shouts "death to America" but he crashed in an American made helicopter. 🤷♂️
W rosyjskim. Nie rozsiewaj klamstw. Bog to widzi.
Ironic. 😆
Hahahaha most times we put our foot in our own mouth
Good one ..there should not use American this
That's what happens when you steal a helicopter from the US. 😂😂
Why should you blame others on your accident???
That's the mentality of idiots to point finger to others of their failures 😅.
They want war that’s why
1. Look into the word 'enemy' for its meaning.
2. And there is a clear mishap here.
Act of God to save His people of Israel and to maintain His promise.
Right.
Doesn't add up
There were fog during the search, obviously it was a foggy day
The pilot was carried away by instructing others behind.
If the second helicopter pilot knew the position then why did it take so much time to locate the crushed helicopter.
Good question,that need answer
That's what I'm thinking too.
True. Someone is lying.
Unless there's an internal cover up!
Good question.
"All warfare is based on deception "
Sun Tzu
I will bless those who bless you and I will curse those who curse you it is written
Ibrahim Raisi must have found out to his dismay that there are no 72 virgins and that Allah does not exist.
He has also found out that the one true God of the universe is the God of the Jews that he hated so much.
So unfortunate for him.
so well said amen
yup amen Bless you ABBA Father, Jesus Christ And Holy Spirit for protecting Israel!!
Amen
Jejejejeje religious fanatic thoughts...better to think it was HUMAN HAND involved.. CIA.Mosaad.or any internal enemy .
There WAS FOG!! We are not blind
There was not; suddenly it appeared from the top of the mountain and stood until the chopper went down then disappeared.
@@revanknight7316 act of GOD
She just added to the mystery with more speculation.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
l admire her so much, she is brilliant, you can T.H.I.N.K. for yourself, she's giving you R.E.S.P.E.C.T.❣️
Act of God!
They have GOD too. So it's war of 2 Gods?
@java1221-sv7bh there are 3,000 God's, but the only one is the one of Moses, Abraham, and Issac
The Hand of God …. He Used a tiny cloud to destroy evil like what he did in Egypt with Pharaoh… Blessed be the One Who does justice
Justice will bring to Palestine.God is not any nation's property
Stop with the tales.
😂 do you really beleive that
@@catsareamazing884God will not bless Nations that serve a Demon God called Allah. You ever noticed that everything Islam touches turns to $#@t?
NONSENSE
Hes NOT dead - just moved out of sight - to a safe place.
Belize 👍🏻
Lols you are delusional!
To a safe place with 72 virgins 😂😂and ultimately the very safest place Hell ,as per the Koran 😂.
Hmm…
That sounds more probable since lots of his terrorist comrades are being hunted down and executed. He probably is in hiding.
You ascended for 30 seconds. Your President didnt. God is Good.
:)
This lady is brilliant, making up her own stories
l admire her so much, she is brilliant, you can T.H.I.N.K. for yourself, she's giving you R.E.S.P.E.C.T.❣️
NO FOG DURING CRASH.....A LOT OF FOG DURING SEARCH
Exactly, all videos shows fog all around
Gravitas, you are out of your mind…..
and the mountain bears all ate well
@jukkao.parviainen8669 .... Hence you are saying the quotations are false ??
They are looking for someone to blame. They will blame Israel and America
The Iranian president died just after an attempt on the life of the Prime Minister of Slovenia, who did not want to destroy the economy of his country in favor of US. 2+2=4 guys.
=3
"for thus says the Lord of hosts - He send me after glory, to the nations which plunder you .. for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye"
All rotting apples are covered in apeel! How did the apple rot? How many times did the apples rot? Read.
The first problem that I picked up was that the Commander of the Fleet was at the controls. Commanders spend a lot of time at the desk, in meetings and not in the air. I remember after covid there was some concern over pilots getting rusty and maybe needing some sim time before being allowed to fly full time again.
The guy says that there was a patch of cloud just over a cliff and that it appeared to be localized. This sounds like a cloud formed by orographic lift. It is what happens when air flows over rising terrain. It is cooled, and clouds can form. Weather & geography people should be able to explain this. You will also need to talk to pilots, perhaps even people in the glider community to tell you if the lack of turbulence in a cloud generated by orographic lift is normal or not.
Now, I am presuming that they were already in the cloud when the commander gave the instruction to increase altitude. In the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash, the pilot was in the midst of low cloud conditions and trying to get out of it. When he thought he was rising to get above the cloud he was in fact descending. And the reason he might not have been aware of that, was because he inadvertently put the helicopter into a turn. The g-forces of the turn were misleading. And because he couldn't see the horizon, there was no way he could tell that unless he noticed his altimeter going the wrong way. And based on the air traffic control recordings, who he was talking to at the time, there is no indication that he was aware that he had done so. He was probably just focusing outside to see when he broke cloud cover instead of focusing on his instruments.
Was the commander rated for instrument flying? When was the last time he practiced this?
When they got onto Hashim, it sounds like they had already hit the terrain. The helicopter had broken up in the process and he was already flung out in the trees and badly injured. The rescuers would need to confirm that they did find him among the trees and the state of his injuries.
Maybe you should try to get some retired people to interview to verify if what I have said is possible or not.
he is flying vfr in non ifr chopper. (that's why must fly clear from cloud. since he was not flying ifr he may not take note of the MSA,
1. but if fly vfr, he suppose to know elevation to clear the ground between vor stations
1. did he got clearance before ascending?
2. there must be separation between those 3 helis
3. don't tell me the other choppers didn't see it getting into the cloud.
4. if they were flying at the same altitude they must be able to see one another
5. tired of typing
Very professional advice sir. Very educated.
😂😂😂. Forget about the theories. It's an old outdated helicopter that killed Raisi.
Why on earth would a president use outdated helicopters North Korea ,test drive their Rockets on a daily bases
@@abduraghmanederies2924because of sanctions...
North Korea also have Sanctions but theirs Rockets are Top Class and Modern
Made in indian
An Old American Helicopter made in Montreal Canada
Genesis 12:3, “I will bless those who bless you, And I. will curse him who curses you; And in you, all the. families of the earth shall be blessed.” This is as true.
Even the clouds hate them.
I guess she is telling us hers personal opinion instead of telling us the news 😅
She's number 1 on wion for making people dislike India. She's smug and full of herself. All the other reporters are great. Her reports also promote Russia which of course will not defend them from China as she insults the west and others.
just another fool reading words from a teleprompter - wonder if she knows what the words mean
She quoting what has been said , do you have difficulty in reading and hearing?
@@cass6885 she's smug and ignorant
I love her opinion and the delivery of it
The God of Israel neither sleeps nor slumber.
Yep, ever ready to inflict punishment. Demonic indeed is your delusional belief system.
Israel used those fog making machines .
But died on the cross?
@@slacker2747, it was prophesied and written in the Holy Bible so it must be fulfilled, and it was.
@@efrendeaustria7325 shouldn’t you be saying god of Israel neither sleeps nor slumber but died since you say it’s prophecy?
You live by the sword you died by the sword,
Fog + invisibility + mountain = ACCIDENT
Well spoken
:)
You forgot to add the age of the junk helicopter!
Act of God !!
You're delusional. He doesn't even stop the trafficking of 8 million children every year. Grow up!
Truth will prevail
Yep
The cloud that covered Israel under heat of the sun during their exodus from Egypt to Canaan is the same cloud that covered this helicopter to fall down.
He is Dead in His Own Country so No one can Blame to No one .. And Why IRANIAN are Celebrating for His Dead ..?? So Stop Blaming
To ascend through fog or clouds in the mountains is suicide .
It looks like he was going UP as the mountain hit them, nosed in and tail flipped upward above crash.
THAT'S HOW YAHUWAH PLANS HIS THINGS.
Don't mess with ISRAEL 😊
@@jacquelinebourque8041 If YHWH did this, he should do a lot more things that the people need. And why he didn't save the 6 million innocent jews in the 1940s? See, it makes no sense. There does not seem to be any God anywhere. Probably this event was pure luck.
So, "a tracker cloud" snatched the chopper carrying Iranian president?
This must be the handwork of a wizard of first order.
smh
Dumbledore!
Logical conclusion
Deuteronomy 32:39
“See now that I EVEN I AM HE and there is 👉🏿no god 👈🏿with
ME 👉🏿I kill, 👈🏿and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of MY hand
THEE MOST HIGH YHWH יהוה IS THEE CREATOR OF LIFE AND DEATH .
Twas 👽
👽 ALIENS RIDE PAST EARTH & LOCK THEIR DOORS! 👽.
Divine intervention
What a mysterious cloud!! Comsider that.
"There was no fog" LOLOL Even though all video show thick fog you cant even see 20 feet.
Brain fog
Wasn't the video of the following morning?
Ok, no no fog...then its pilot error right.A 40 year old chopper cannot just fall out of the sky just like that right.Maybe the Iranians blew it out of the clear sky,only for reasons known to them
Tell us where the videos we saw were taken tell us when it was taken tell us how far away it was from the crash site and tell us was it ground fog or more. That will be very interesting.
I guess the news anchor had been to a mental hospital once in her life, she has cataracts in her eyes, she can't see what all of us could see when watching live breaking news of the accident. That's why she believes and gives false news of heresies from someone who wants to appear good to authorities. The one making phone calls was talking to dead people?
Evil will never prevail. That is it and that is all.
Wow you are so deep but yet so partial. I wonder if you really believe that it applies to all evil or just some.
The weather was absolutely clear . . .
After we ascended above the clouds we could no longer see the helicopter
🤷♀️🤷♀️🤦♀️🤔
If this pilot told all the other choppers to climb above the clouds but he himself didn't then my question would be who was this pilot?
Conspiracy Theorists say he was an Israeli "sleeper" agent!!😂😂😂❤
@@user-vb3lu3lm1c. The Israeli agent’s name is Eli Koptor.
This could be the hand of God😢
It is
Indeed
HAND OF GOD OF ISRAEL
Yep! I believe
I guess he made the mistake of creating Raisi because he was not aware of Raisi's choices in the future. Not all powerful after all.
You know the site of the crash but it took you so many hours to locate the same site, so why didn't the other choppers descend on the side?
He was shocked,
They put 9 ppl on a chopper needing a 4 propeller power. It only had 2.
It's the exemplary sign of the hand of God in protecting his chosen people against evil persons.
Plain and simple. No need for further investigation or speculation.
BIG ... AMEN!!!
Double Amen!
👏👏🇵🇹🙏🇮🇱
Isreal god is the true and living God,who doesn't sleep,and see all the evil iran has done to Isreal over the years
Israel god is a very violent and unjust god!
What about the genocide that is going in Palestine, Israel God doesnt see that. You fool
Amen
What evil?
Can you list them
Israel has been keeling Arabs and Iranian for decades violating their airspace and playing victim 😂
Amen Amen
WION please rest, stop trying to dig up what does not exist.
One thing is that the mountain bears all ate well that evening
I hope the bears are all OK.
So this means u can be walking with many guards but thy can't save ur life but if u walk with God nothing will harm you
This is ridiculously crazy !! This is creating social chaos and intrigues .. STOP.!!
It's teaching you to T.H.I.N.K. for yourself again. l admire her so much, she is brilliant, you can T.H.I.N.K. for yourself, she's giving you R.E.S.P.E.C.T.❣️
How irresponsible to put the possible blame on someone else. Stop creating hearsay. Maybe you did it to create a story.
Come on we all know whats happen
Be patient, Iran Regime is always find the way to blame someone else but themself.
Yes.
It was allas will .it was his time .he decides who lives and dies how can they blame anyone else .no fog clear day and they didnt see the helicopter they were protecting go down .
How about ,after the meeting, complaining about not feeling well, what about the pilot , maybe his not feeling well too , resulting from his error of flight judgement...we can say , they ate something that affects their mobility , condition and judgement...we can't rule out that possibility...like what was done by this anchor , writers....
Why is the news on Gravitas full of question marks? Instead of reading the news to us the news caster keeps asking us questions.
She expects us to find and report to her so she can broadcast!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love her, she is brilliant, you can T.H.I.N.K. for yourself, she's giving you R.E.S.P.E.C.T.❣️
@@rejibab1830 love her, she is brilliant, you can T.H.I.N.K. for yourself, she's giving you R.E.S.P.E.C.T.❣️
@@AndyN.Jamesii001 love her, she is brilliant, you can T.H.I.N.K. for yourself, she's giving you R.E.S.P.E.C.T.❣️
We never know when our time 🕙💀is up⌛
Why do helicopters don't have parachutes!??
Ask the victims families who he unjustly murdered in the name of islam...God does not sleep..
True
the sad thing is there are people still supporting him, the butcher of Tehran
Killing in the name of religion is the hallmark of Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam).
Allah, is helpless as usual. Allah does not exist.
👍👍👍👍👍
We were told no one survived then how the phone call was answered? The helicopter burned to level of no recognition.
Copter can burn out completely later....this is very much possible
I was watching from pretty much the beginning, and they did mention that call that he didn't feel very well but didn't know where he was.
It was the MOSSAD! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Maybe it was one of the mountain bears that the rescue team saw feasting on meat at the crash site?
GRAVITY IS GREAT!
they called all of them to see if there is still survivors and when no one answered they say mission accomplish.
seems like the cloud, which suddenly appeared, is to blame
It's a "Trump" Cloud.
You can only mock the God of Israel until our Father says ENOUGH!!
I don't understand you when u say this man mocked the God of Israel, how? Just say u are a cruel infidel who rejoices in the death of those who resist your dominance. This world belongs to all of us. But I am sure, the truth will come out and it will attract the most deserving response whether your 'god' likes it or not - your Brutal 'god'. I am a Christian, and the God I believe in is one of Marcy and Love - I don't understand your brutal 'god'. But as it is written, Mark 12:17 (NKJV) “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”. When all is done and dusted, Ceaser will receive what belongs to Ceaser. AMEN
Galatians 6:7 and Genesis 12:3
God of Israel?🙄 God is not confined to any nation.every soul shall test death
This has nothing to do with G-D , G-D is not that simple as you think
So Israel's God was born in 1948? Riighht............
Probable it was too late for the pilot to do the ascending. The chopper might have hit a tree or the tip of the mountain because the portion was covered with a small patch of clouds and did not realized that he was too close to the ground or tip of the mountain.
Don't try to blame other countries.Look at your own.
Why did the president, who's so high profile, fly in a helicopter that's over 40 years old.
You people you talk nonsense we see thick fog
Which day ?
Kobe Bryant
@@optimusprinceps3526 Yup. 💯
I don't know what elevation they are at. Perhaps the cloud was forming and got enormous by the time the search started. 🤷♀
Either way, like the Kobe Bryant crash, it is likely that the pilot accidentally banked the helicopter and slideslipped straight into the ground when he thought he was gaining altitude. Clearly, the guy they talked to had no idea what had happened and was already badly injured from being flung out on impact.
@@idaerasmus9617If the place was clear the helicopter which turned back should have seen the crashed plane and they kept searching till the next day!!
MUST OF BEEN A UFO FROM SPACE
It was the supreme leader’s decision Poor guy had no chance to live 😅😅😅😅😅
God has spoken. 🙏🙏🙏
The logic is, if all choppers were flying at the same altitude, fowl play would clearly be observed. However, with the other choppers above the chopper in question, observing the trail of events below becomes considerably difficult.
Really sad for not included Khamenei.
❤ 😆
😂
Of course not because it was Khamenei's in house job. Not the first time.
@@AnonymousTraveler-ze2vmDo you mean the ayatollah of rocknrolla ?
That gentleman's name at 07:52 caught her off guard.
It was thick fog in Raisi last video and rescuer area
Thick fog. Mountainous terrain. Pilot error. Great opportunity for Media speculation with no evidence.
Sure was
All Power Belongs To Jesus.
It was at this moment, the Iranian Huey pilot said, I fucked up, moving on.
No fog? Then could it be engine failure ?
Putin will defenitly find out
Deep down, Putin doesn't care.
He will hire a ream to protect him from that possible scenario.
This is all lies. Several parts make no sense. We all saw fog so thick you couldn't see 10 feet in front of you on rescuer video.
These are all lies. Is correct sentence😂
@@sagar11222 This, as in this video.
Uhm you do know that fog can come later?
And why was all the weather data removed on the day of the crash?
Like Dick Cheney on 911 telling the Pentagon to turn off all the cameras........?
Yep true
WHEN ?? the day after? 🤔
If Hasem wouldn’t answer the phone call he might would survive, but since they know he survived they send clean up team to finish him off and than they reveal the location, it was supreme leader who is behind the crash , he is trying to make hard right turn toward west , that’s why Chinese and Putin got very upset
Why do you feel the need to pause after every sentence, it is very annoying, sorry don’t mean to be disrespectful
I personally think Iran itself knows something, but they do not want the world to know. That is why the case is complicated 🙃
They are afraid and also afraid to admit it. If I was them, I would be very afraid because they do not realize WHO they are messing with. Israel's Husband is The Living God! His name is Jesus Christ. Turn to Him today!
At least this will make a great story line for a Hollywood block buster movie and based on true events .
Staring cluunie as the president.
Thanks for your comments.
This is so tragedy
Iran's president said in his final words "Bless Israel"
AGREE WITH YOU. Bcoz israel is blessed people and other people's are whole world except isrealis are AMALEK.
he said death to is*ael.
😂😂😂😂😂
😂
Stop the bulshit. Were you there???
There is One God above all the strength of mankind in this world...He knows the future...leave it to the God of wisdom...
ALLAH UNABLE TO DEFEAT ISRAEL
This guy had a lot of internal enemies. I don’t see why it all of a sudden has to automatically go to blaming Israel. Iranians had been literally begging the international community to take out their government, so it sounds like they’re a lot of people on the inside who were very happy to see him go
Cruelty pays off
Handsomely 😂
You got to be cruel to be kind
Not yet ...,
The truth will prevail, then you can have a view. Let them complete all investigations.
@@awgatsheni6598
*Nothing To Investigate*
@@fiaw6952 Russia has offered the assistance. It will be investigated, and you'll be exposed.
How burned people talk? It was announced that they found burned bodies of occupants.
Maybe he talked to the soul of the Imam, who hadn't yet realized that he was outside of his burnt body.
@@suichinggo8236 that's what I thought, it should be cleared up by time stamps if crash had already occured.
What is the real meaning that costs the crash
HIS LAST WORDS: "AAAAAHAHHHHHHHH!!!!!! I'M GONNA. D......."
The pilot of the President's helicopter was preoccupied talking on the radio and instructing others to ascend above the clouds. Meanwhile a passenger looking out a window, was seeing nothing but trees and no other helicopters.
Too late...crash!
Nio conspiracy, no foul play. Just pilot error. To his credit, the pilot did save the other two choppers, who immediately followed his instructions and ascended.
In this case, the mountain of the Lord, rose-up to meet the "anointed one."
Condolences.
And a 40 years old chopper.
Enjoying 72virgins n alcohol now😂😂😂😂
@@alexgomel5805 A 40 yr old helicopter with altimeter, but no forward-looking radar. VFR rating at best. They were actually lucky they didn't loose all the helicopters.
And straight to hell he descended! To praise his God, Allah The Great Deceiver!
Pilot error, but still finding someone to be blame because of what happens just to escalate things 🤔
There is no Antennas in the mountains to pass telecommunication radio signals. How could he phone and reach the people of the other hellicopter?
That makes sense
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I guess they use satellite signal , not ordinary cellphones.
I think,the fog was so thick. How could anyone, see through that fog?
Those within who may be against Raisi becoming the spiritual leader may be responsible instead of looking without they should look within.
The tone and the presentation of the purported facts simply shows this news channel is siding with those coming up with these conspiracy theories..
i find thier news nonsense
let them act hindi movies
Your right, we should just assume it was the weather and not question anything! At what point is it a conspiracy theory, and not just a theory?
@@kingshark247when you blaming someone is behind the accident you got a conspiracy
@@RandySnarsh even if it's true? So you are saying that another country being involved is outlandish why? Not even Iran is sure if there was foul play at hand. To theorize the US or Israel was involved is not crazy at all. They are both countries who see Iran as their enemy. But you say that just because Israel and US have not claimed responsibility then it is a conspiracy to suggest so? Have you ever seen a child do something they shouldn't have then say "I didn't do it"? Obviously US/Israel would keep an assassination secret...it's not wrong to theorize while the evidence is coming out. Any detective solving a case is allowed to have a "huntch" as they investigate. It is too coincidental that Iran attacked Israel just a few weeks ago