THEORY: Is The Joker Actually Hyper Sane?
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What I think is important to point out is that with hypersanity also comes an indifference towards rules, laws, and the social contract. It's all a joke to him, and he stands above such petty human inventions. Insanity is indeed the emergency exit because it's the only exit. Joker doesn't see a light at the end of the tunnel of life, he sees a concrete wall. That's why life is so meaningless to him: Because it's finite. Hypersanity means using your own logic, which leaves no room for laws or social rules. This is why so many people simply can't understand his reasoning, and just call him insane. It's why people can't diagnose him because he's something else entirely. His way of thinking is barely human because we have certain things ingrained in our DNA (which harkens back to the brilliant observation in the video that Joker changing his personality is literally in his DNA). We will never understand him completely because we don't allow ourselves to do so. Once we figure him out, he's won, because there is simply no way back from such a revelation. He's a rabbit hole.
The joker is one answer to the absurd. The other one is becoming an archetype, a symbol, a legend, an embodiment of justice and sacrifice, the Batman! A man that follows a consistent set of moral values, not for the sake of society, not because he learned it in school, but because he has internalised those values and transformed into an eternal and infinite source of meaning, the dark knight. The batman and the joker are similar, because both are a type of super sanity. One answered with meaning, the other one with complete nihilism.
I completely see where he (the Joker) is coming from, I’ve actually had the same thoughts about life and rules and yadda yadda yadda
I really feel for him, because he’s so misunderstood and he’s always blamed and accused
I think super-sanity is actually the madness or insanity (as we all know it). He’s just on a completely other level of thinking. I’d say he was right when he said that all it takes to be like him is one bad day. There is madness (super-sanity) in every one of us. But not all of us get to experience it.
@@EwingAmaterasu You don't even know what you are talking about.
@@EwingAmaterasu I'd actually say Batman is insane while The Joker is hyper sane as The Joker differentiates right from wrong but commits horrible atrocities anyway because nothing matters to him existence in his reality is all just one big game to him and when you combine that with the fact that The Joker consistently breaks the 4th wall and is actually aware of the real world as well as the readers (similarly to Deadpool) it drove him to believe he's insane when he's more sane than anyone in DC or at least that's how it goes with most versions of The Joker while Batman recruits 12 year olds to fight crime with him on the crime riddled streets of one of the most dangerous fictional cities ever and even plots ways to defeat every single hero he's ever met in case they ever went evil so he's preparing for day that never comes which doesn't sound very sane does it? He isn't able to differentiate right from wrong and even Batman questions his morality very often
Basically Batman = insane
The Joker = hyper sane/super sane
My conclusion, the Joker Hyper sane but it's this hyper sanity that drives him insane. He sees the world with such a clarity thus making his outlook so far gone from the rest of the world, that it created this feeling of isolation, and isolation after a certain period of time can drive anyone mad. It would make sense that he made attempts at stand up comedy because comedians are some of the most tortured souls you'll ever meet. The laughs that they generate is a coping mechanism for their inner turmoil.
doug cunningham
The Joker personality is the personification / incarnation of our moder civilization, this modern world which is consumed with wars corruption hatered inequality & Aggression, the joker Hyper-sanity perceive it all & he can't handle it , our sanity are madness, the joker can't handle it so he faced mental breakdown , he projecting all what he perceive it as chaos & destruction.
Extreme form of autism. The artistic mind can't accept the figurative. And the worst? Best part is that he knows it.
That's what I'm leaning towards.
doug cunningham this is exactly what it is I’ve realized that with Rick from Rick and morty he knows he in the a tv show
Cool but plz stop I’m going down a philosophical rabbit hole and I can’t stop
No, his behaviour is logical when you take into account how volatile and random the universe is, he perfectly reflects this and is in tune with it, he is the genuine article and represents the highest form of a man, unbound free will at work, pure kinetic energy flowing. The normal person is insane because they strive to see regularity, logic and pattern in an unstable explosive universe that is constantly expanding and exploding into existence. He seems insane from their limited vantage point.
He Knows he is a not real
He knows that he is in a comic
Maybe we are as real as he is. Maybe that's why he's always laughing.
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Maybe he knows, that his creator's persona is too just "written" by someone....that there is no real "me/I" at all.
Where did you learn/mimic your language, morals, culture? From someone else.
...just a funny thought.
So his actions have no consequences
@@JonervaK Maybe you need to know sentence structure and grammar.
I think in this context Hyper sanity means that the joker knows that he's in a comic book
He does.
Obviously.
and so he just doesn’t care abt comic characters because…they’re just comic characters
Exactly
Yeah pretty much
I think that the Joker has seen into the abyss, and knows the world he lives in is an illusion, and therefore thinks one should treat it as such and give a grand performance, which of course is why he loves Batman so much, because he sees Batman as a master performance artist just like himself, only Batman doesn't see it like that at all, and takes his role seriously. What's great about the meta-nature of the Joker, and makes him a far superior character to someone like Deadpool for instance, who just outright says he's in a comic book, movie, or whatever, is that while the Joker knows he's in a fictitious or illusory world, it's not clear what world that is, meaning sure, maybe he knows he's in a comic book or a movie, or maybe he just knows that what we call "society" or even "reality" is just as fictitious in nature as those things, rendering the specifics of his meta-awareness irrelevant, as one is always merely a character giving a performance regardless of the medium, so you might as well not be a bland and unoriginal character like most people are, at least as how he sees it. "All the worlds a stage, and all the men and women merely players; they have their exists and their entrances, and one man in his time plays many parts." - William Shakespeare
excellent analysis you should have more likes
I belive the Joker has super sanity. He sees the world at it is.
What is super-sanity, though? I didn’t really understand.
@@2elss kinda late but some people say that the joker is aware that he is part of a comic and he should be doing bad things so he doesnt get forgotten and gets killed off theres some videos explaining it
He could be hyper-aware, but exactly him realising all this deep stuff drives him crazy. And he goes through all the crime, etc because he realises it means nothing in the large cosmic scale and it helps him cope.
I look at it like the Ultra sane Joker is the only one in that SPECIFIC society ( I talk about the rules and laws that form gotham city or DC universe in general) that realize he is part of something above the coomprehension of everyone in his universe, to be precise their existence in a comic book
Maybe he is still taunting Batman with his actions for the sole reason of revealing/showing it to him, cause he knows he is part of something fictional and nothing will really affect him or anyone else in any ways
I think that when he breaks the 4th wall is just for telling the reader that he knows about our existence
Summing up
The Jokers is the only one that realizes the truth of being a comic character like everyone else in DC, his actions are just him showing everyone that everything that happens there is actually meaningless to them, but for the fact that they are only comic characters they can't aknowledge it.
Sorry for my bad english but I barely speak it
He's so san he knows he is a comic book character. He observed what was around him, identified the patterns and realized none of that could be real, it all had to be a creation of someone's mind
No wonder that made him appear made. Imagine if you thought that or worse had 100% proff or belief in that
It will be very interesting to add Joaquin Phoenix's portrayal of The Joker into this theory! Also I liked what you said about the Joker becoming whatever he needs to be on a regular basis. That statement is a cool contrast to what Batman said at the end on TDK, "I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be."
Awesome video! Also, the Joker creating himself every day also relates, in a way, like you briefly mentioned, to how every time a new writer writes the Joker, he changes, and it's the same with all comic characters, only the Joker is aware of it, and he is the one who does it.
Thank you! Definitely, the Joker can change so drastically, but always feels like the Joker. He's whatever HE needs to be, and what the WRITERS need him to be
Great video Owen! I also really like the idea of the Joker creating himself everyday, it's a great excuse for writers to do they're own version of the character.
Thanks, man! Yeah that's the point I wanted to get across - this idea of the Joker recreating himself means that each writer can really put their own spin on the character, both in comics and in film.
I think there are no three Jokers. They are merely three of many of Joker’s personalities: the Criminal, the Mischievous Clown, and the Remorseless Killer.
I think the Joker is so complex, he even has the Mobius Chair confused.
Fantastic video. The editing was on point. You go, Owen!
Thanks a lot Martin, this was such fun to edit!
The editing on this video was amazing, and really on point! Regarding, "hyper-sanity" and the "clock example,"
You could say that the Joker has reached some form of "enlightenment" as in the video it did mention his sensory output/input is far greater and more complex than any "normal" persons. This "enlightenment" could be driving his nihilistic actions and views to help better cope with all the "information" he is receiving. Take the "clock example" for instance, Owen, you said he is watching the clock tick, on a far deeper level, could that prove that his actions, though not justifiable, could have more significant value? Heath Ledger's Joker did say, "I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the game," his hyper-sanity must've given the Joker some "clarity" altering his view, meaning, we don't see, what the Joker "sees," Take, Daredevil, for instance, the way of "seeing" must be far different from our own, so some variation of that has affected the Joker. He clearly has a better understanding of "the bigger picture," maybe, as the reader, we just don't see it. Love the videos, Owen!
Great video deserves more views
Very interesting that the imagery axes made a video like this a few months before this video came out
This is why I love the joker.
:)
I love the editing in this video.
Thank you, editing this video was a lot of fun.
I get the idea of how Joker picks a new personality to live by each day but that still makes him insane. If he truly can't deal with the noise of the outside world and chooses a random behavioral personality to find escape and release, then he has no control over that part of his mind. Insane by definition.
I agree with this. It's why I can enjoy all interpretations of the Joker and not pit one against the other. They are all the Joker to me.
Fantastic video!
Thank you!
Great as always
Thank you Wally, I appreciate that!
He’s been trying to tell people for years they’re in comic book but they never listened and called him insane which drove him mad
Very well done. Thanks. I was meditating on the levels of sanity for a story that I'm writing and I thought about hyper-sanity as the penultimate level one must achieve just before the mind breaks under its own weight or the pressure of too much lucidity. I'd thought that the next step would necessarily be insanity since I'd read many clinical psychology books in my many years and being imbued with too much lucidity ultimately never ended well for an individual. Psychosis typically follows which is why forgetting should be considered an art form. I'd heard of super sanity but I'd never heard of hyper sanity and I'd so much hoped that I'd coined the phrase. But, alas, after I Googled it I saw a link to this video and realized that I was not the first to use it. I have not read a comic book since the late 1960's. Now some of them are called graphic novels, like The Walking Dead. Anyway, the definition of hyper sanity that I found here is somewhat as I intended for in my story. It's full of psychological insights many of which I never considered. I think that we all can relate to the kinds of odd psychological characters that we encounter daily either in real life or in fiction (The Joker is one fictional example and Donald Trump is one real character). Some people are larger than life while most of us struggle to just be self-aware and in control. Control is the mask that we must all wear to fit in socially with our peers. Take off that mask and we all risk becoming outcasts or worse, being seen as insane. If everybody took off their masks could civilization -- the world -- survive?
Another great video dude
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
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Nice vid dude. SUBBED
Thank you! Got another Joker video dropping today.
@@OwenLikesComics Can't wait.
In this vid, I liked how you closed it, that no matter what form he takes joker gets the last laugh... made me realize how many forms and interpretations there are of joker, and so varied in behavior and look. Can't think of another character in comic mythology that's like that. Very nice observation.
All the worlds a stage and the people are merely characters- Shakespeare
Imaginary axis has a video about how is super sanity works
2:03 Remember that interrogation scene in 1984 with O'Brien. Cause this really brings me back to that.
“You are a slow learner, Winston."
"How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."
"Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”
"what you're seeing now is my normal state.. and this is a super sane... next.. is a super sane ascended beyond a super sane.. or i guess you could call it super sane 2.. and this is what it's like to go beyond even that... behold super sane 3"
what do you make/edit your vids with?
Isn't it where he realizes he's in a story ...and breaks the 4th wall. it's how he doesn't care about death and expects to come back (as shown in multiple forms of media)
Yea pretty much. That is why he doesn't care about death or pain because he knows the writers wont kill him off because if they do, people wont buy comics or watch the movies anymore. Maybe that is how he brainwashed Harley..by telling her that it is all a fictional comic book and that he is a bad guy who needed her to become his side kick.
@@Caedyst More like he acts as outrageous and memorable as possible as a form of immortality. He knows that people crave sensationalism; that's Joker's contingency plan. Like how people can't look away from a car crash, but he adds his own touch to that car crash to make it something people will remember, talk about, and meme the living daylights out of.
And the part about him reinventing himself every day, that's how he keeps himself "fresh", so that he doesn't become some one-trick pony in the eyes of readers.
You mean media awareness.
However, it doesn't properly filter through his limited mind, which is why he acts the way he does. It's why he sometimes seems unsure of himself, like in the Killing Joke. He's not quite sure if the input he's getting is real, or if he really IS insane. He has Doubt, which allows him to be a genius. He's probably considered that he may be insane, but has used logic and reason to realize that he doesn't quite meet the legal definition. He has no way to really peer review what he's experiencing, which is why he acts out the way he does: he's basically asking "Is anyone else seeing the shit I'm seeing?!"
It may explain his fixation on Batman: someone who is intelligent and rational enough that he's the closest to Joker's super-sanity. He just needs enough of a "push" to get to that same mental state. THEN Joker would have someone to verify what he's experiencing.
Like how, years ago on Sesame Street, Big Bird was frustrated that he was the only one who saw Snuffy, who'd always walk offstage before anyone else would see him. The rest of the cast thought Snuffy was just an imaginary friend, or that Big Bird might have gone cuckoo. This went on for years before anyone else saw Snuffy, and realized he was real.
i dig this theory a lot
Great video loved it is a subscription and hit that notification Bell and the Like Love The Joker great job proving that I love you no homo LOL
Shane Walsh was also Super Sane
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stranger...
Another line that could potentially support this theory, from Young Justice: "I have practice juggling my multiple personalities." Reinventing and creating himself every day? I could be wrong, people didn't even like that version of Joker. But it's a thought...
Yes, I think you are right.
I think that's your best video yet!
I think the way the Joker has been handled and written has been overly wanky and getting wankier by the year, but your observations were really great to listen to.
Thanks a lot Harry. That's a fair point, I can see what you mean; the Joker has become really overly complex over the last decade after Morrison's run, then Snyder writing him as an Immortal, and now the whole 3 Joker things... can we not just have Joker?
Owen Likes Comics heaters got to hate I guess if I said that about any other characters u would said the same thing
Harry Black you do realise that every character in comic and in Manga gets wank to the shithouse not just a Joker you can't go there Spider-Man Superman Batman they're the ones that get wank the most
now i get harleys obsession with the joker
I feel like im missing something. If 'is' doesnt necessitate 'ought', then joker could be the sanest person ever, but that shouldnt dictate his actions. In fact joker never justifies his actions directly, but instead justifies why he does the actions.
For example he might say 'you would go crazy and kill people too if you lived like me or came to the same realizations as me,' but he never says, 'killing is good because abcd.'
He wasnt wrong, hes just ahead of the curve, above the cattle.
The imaginary axis?
I look at it like the Ultra sane Joker is the only one in that SPECIFIC society ( I talk about the rules and laws that form gotham city or DC universe in general) that realize he is part of something above the coomprehension of everyone in his universe, to be precise their existence in a comic book
Maybe he is still taunting Batman with his actions for the sole reason of revealing/showing it to him, cause he knows he is part of something fictional and nothing will really affect him or anyone else in any ways
I think that when he breaks the 4th wall is just for telling the reader that he knows about our existence
Summing up
The Jokers is the only one that realizes the truth of being a comic character like everyone else in DC, his actions are just him showing everyone that everything that happens there is actually meaningless to them, but for the fact that they are only comic characters the can't aknowledge it.
Sorry for my bad english but I barely speak it
I feel I’m Super Sane as well
Deadpool and joker will be a good pair!
Honestly if the joker hadve been more focused on this theme and question I think it would’ve been a much better movie
(Over dramatisation ahead. - excuse the English, not my first language)
The vision inside is much better, the imagination creates such ideal pictures, but the awareness that reality will never be that ideal picture keeps breaking the mind. What is anything worth at all?
One needs those pictures to survive but to be all to aware of reality at the same time eventually melds the two.
The fulfilment from one ideal image becoming reality makes no difference after that. Just emptiness and do-overs again and again, your home becomes your own head, the games you play are against yourself. That is who you picture as your fight back in the real world.
Play it, win it,
So basically Dr. Manhattan but without the powers🤷🏽♂️
Doesn't this go hand in hand with the theory that jocker is aware that he is in a comic book, I'm not even sure if it was a theory or something proven in a comic book.
He has a delusion that hes a comic book character.
This makes him delusional on one level and enlightened on another.
He creates a persona to match the story hes in so the stories keep being written.
Imagine we were a computer simulation and one of the characters developed a delusion that he was a computer simulation.
That person would then begin to notice the glitches and the patterns in the program.
His delusion causes him to see things the rest of us miss.
After a while he reasons out the purpose of the simulation and uses that information to his advantage.
Joker knows that as long as he remains Batmans greatest foe he will be immortal, that the stories he lives in will continue to be written.
So he strives to be an entertaining and fascinating villian and have as much fun along the way as he can.
He knows Batman will always win.
He also knows that it's irrelevant if his crimes succeed because he'll always be back with whatever resources he needs for the next adventure.
Sometimes he tries to let Batman in on the joke , to let him see that the only thing that matters is making a good story.
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so basically if he's very aware that just makes him perverse in other words more hate-able less likeable villain
4:25
I mean he is aware of what he is doing and he is far from a stupid criminal...
Me and joker are really the same
Sure
Nah, he’s insane.
IT's not what super/hypersanity mean.
The joker knows that reality is a hologram and that the universe is a simulation so there’s no point in anything since it’s all fake
Joker is an Absurdist
beyond absurdist. I think I'm starting to get him. But the thought of it makes me insane literally. because he takes everything into account
Joker's behaviors are in contrast to basic human survival instincts and self preservation, i.e. against his own health. Intelligent? yes. Hyper Sanity? no.
Embrace your Darkside will to power > Will to life
I think he embodies the trickster myth more than anything
Joker is a 4th dimensional being. He can see the reader.
Too bad he too will expire into Oblivion and irrelevancy.
Can I get a reference
Sure thing! What are you looking for?
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In the latest Harley Quinn season, Joker became a stay-at-home dad, won a free and fair mayoral election, & introduced progressive tax & healthcare policies in Gotham. How much more sane can you get?
It would be a mercy to kill Joker just saying.
It wouldn't help since he knows his death isn't real he'll just reappear again when they wanting to the only way to get rid of him is to get rid of Batman
couldn't the joker be seen as kind of a satire on nihlism?
Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fact: the latest Joker actually hyper sucks. (Jared)
*Opinion
An opinion that kinda misses the point of this video's conclusion.
its called bipolar disorder :))))
There different things bud
Hossein Mohammadi that’s definitely not what joker has buddy 😂
Joker has something called “Whatever-Personality-He-Wants Disorder”.
Crime sucks HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The joker is normal. I, just like most people, constantly feel the urge to kill and torture. It is a natural human urge that most people supress because it isn't socially acceptable. If we were to act on our urges more we would have live happier lives.
I never liked this theory. It ruins the character in my opinion
How ?
@@hauntologicalwittgensteini2542 People want the Joker to be quite literally insane - not sane, let alone hyper-sane.
Or....maybe it's just lazy writing
Nah the hyper sane thing woulda been lazy he’s simply just insane