Four Perspectives on the Israeli Palestinian Conflict | Carnegie Connects
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- Violence between Israelis and Palestinians escalated alarmingly last week spiraling across three fronts: within the city of Jerusalem; throughout Israel between its Arab and Jewish citizens; and in an escalating conflict between the government of Israel and Hamas.
Join us as Daniel Kurtzer, Tzipi Livini, Marwan Muasher, and Khalil Shikaki sit down with Aaron David Miller to discuss the implications of the recent escalation for Palestinians, the Arab world, Israel, and the United States.
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Daniel Kurtzer is a former U.S. ambassador to Egypt and Israel and current S. Daniel Abraham professor of Middle East policy studies at Princeton University’s School of Public and International Affairs. He also served as a speechwriter and member of secretary of state George P. Shultz’s Policy Planning Staff and served as deputy assistant secretary for near Eastern affairs and principal deputy assistant secretary for intelligence and research.
Tzipi Livini is the former vice prime minister of Israel, minister of foreign affairs, and minister of justice. She served as a member of the Israeli National Security Cabinet and was Israel’s chief negotiator for peace between Israel and the Palestinians during the last two rounds in 2008 and 2013.
Khalil Shikaki is a professor of political science, and director of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) in Ramallah. He is also a senior fellow at the Crown Center for Middle East Studies at Brandeis University. He is a co-founder of the Arab Barometer and the Arab Reform Initiative and a co-author of the annual report on the Arab Democracy Index. Since 1993, Shikaki has conducted hundreds of polls among Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and, since 2000, dozens of polls among Israelis. His research has focused on Palestinian state building, public opinion, security sector reform, transition to democracy, and the impact of domestic Palestinian politics on the peace process.
Muasher is vice president for studies at Carnegie, where he oversees research in Washington and Beirut on the Middle East.
Aaron David Miller is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, focusing on U.S. foreign policy.
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What everyone forgets is this:
A UN Commission in 1947 recommended to the General Assembly a partition of the land between the Jews and the Arabs.
Neither side would get all it sought, but a division would recognize there were two
populations in the land - one Jewish, the other Arab - each meriting a State of it’s own.
Later in 1947, the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution 181, known as the Partition Plan.
Acceptance of the Partition Plan would have meant the establishment of two States.
(For past 20 years, anyone remember talk of a two State solution as the best remedy to end the conflict?)
Israel accepts the Plan.
But the surrounding Arab States vehemently rejected the proposal and instead began a Genocidal War to eliminate the 650,000 Jews living in Israel.
The Arab/Palestinians have refused to recognize any Jewish claim to any part of the Jews ancestral homeland and have chosen War to drive the Jews out - then and now.
This refusal has always been at the heart of the conflict - then and now.
Thank you so much for such excellent program. We only have access to these discussions through institutions like Carnegie. It's a shame how the media fails to call on experts to discuss important issues.
The reality is do we want peaceful solution and to start progressing or continue fighting.It will result in more losses .
Mr. Aaron David Miller, I'm very happy to listen your opening about Morality and Good vs Evil in the conflict. This is exactly what I see in every actor playing a role in the conflict.
Many high level intellectuals have been warning that the type of things going on in the territories are widely known and there needs to be something tangible not rhetoric.
I find it oddly curious that only about 1% of the 13k viewers ‘like’ this video.
The fact of only 34 comments - as of 4/20/22 - to this video is therefore not surprising to me.
If interested, read my reply to one of the commentators.
This was streamed so one explanation could be that most of the 13k views are from the live stream itself.
Instead of suppressing Israel we should help them to solve the Palestinian ‘s genuine problems .we cannot snatch their houses .Instead you develop the area and let them settle down.
First Perspective.
If I don’t steal your cheese some other rat will.
Yaqub🐀 🇮🇱2021.
For solving the internal problems you are inviting the third party solution.Civilians will search new help against the president bor prime minister.Leaders will also make new international relations for monetary and military help.
I sense a bit of a homas bias
Giving political reasons for killing unarmed people is inhumane and a crime to be punished.
Oh, but the Hamas terrorists are very well armed and have been shooting hundreds of missiles into populated areas of Israel with abandon. They certainly don't care about the Palestinian people, and It is YOU, therefore, who are badly informed.
@@tonalharmony9266 I’m not sure who they is referring to, but what your saying is true. The people of Hamas are indeed armed and shooting missiles at Israeli buildings. And so Samira Asem does need to do more research. Part of why we don’t see many Israelis dying is because of the iron dome initiated by Israel, which basically sshoots incoming missiles with other missiles, making it so they don’t blow up cities and people. In addition the reasons for this conflict is not just because of political things, and while it is pretty inhumane for both sides to do things like that I can assure you that the larger scale of things conflict is not just for political reasons.
Thank you dear, its not about "Hamas", its about the innocent people who are losing their houses in sheikh jarrah for the settlements and for innocent people who are dying with no guilt.
Look at the history of Islam...it is full with the blood of non Muslims ...now don't play victim card game
@@rescuemeal-4262 That's why Jews expelled from Spain and other countries in Europe consistently sought REFUGE in Muslim countries.
It's not very complicated to be honest, it's easy truly.
It's most definitely NOT easy. Jews want a state of their own and the Arabs also want a state of their own. All of the land is under dispute not just part of it.
@@brendonfernandes2877 Is it so unacceptable to split it? Part for the Jews, part for the Arabs?
@@MalcolmBlk Partition has been proposed 4 times so far. Each time rejected by only one side - the Palestinians.
In 1948 the land was partitioned and was vetted by the UN. The Jews accepted the partition but the Arabs not only rejected it but ganged up and tried to wipe out the Jews. After winning a lot of land after being attacked repeatedly Israel proposed two more partition plans one at Camp David and the second at Camp Taba. Both were rejected again. Finally Donald Trump again proposed a partition plan which again was rejected.
@@brendonfernandes2877 Try again then. Also Trump's proposal was a joke
@@MalcolmBlk I will agree with you that the Trump proposal was not a worthwhile proposal but no proposal has been accepted by the Palestinians and Israel has got no reason to push for a settlement so unless the Palestinians swallow their pride and lower their expectations things aren't going to get much better for the Palestinians.
I ask the one lord who has witness the story of prophet Joseph and how his brothers bring his shirt with blood to his father Jacob, the one who has witnessed his shirt being cut from the backside due to the women, I ask him who has witnessed the bringing of the shirt to his father to gave him the good news. I ask you Allah who you witness everything to protect the children and old man who has been kicked out of their homes and surrounded in stripes ...Amen
Humanitarianism vs Zio-Fascism.
To hell with views from the Carnegie Endowment and their so-called experts! I support Israel and her right to exist without the constant threat of violence from evil actors in the neighborhood.
As the discussion says. It's about Human rights. You can't cage people up in small enclaves with limited means to escape and then expect those people to be happy and content with their lives when they live under occupation.
@@brendonfernandes2877 ….
In my opinion, you seem to be implying that the only people whose human rights have been abused, are the Palestinians.
What about Israeli human rights?
What about the War in 1948 that the Arab States began, and who waged a War towards Israel’s destruction?
Arab countries began this war in defiance of UN Resolution 181, known as the Partition Plan.
Acceptance of the Partition Plan would have meant the establishment of two States.
This was the original two State solution.
But the surrounding Arab countries vehemently rejected the proposal.
The War’s aim was the Genocide of the 650,000 Jews in the new State of Israel.
Their refusal to recognize a Jewish claim to any part of the land, has been at the heart of the conflict - then and now.
Do you agree or disagree with my perspective?
Respectful replies are welcome 🙏😊
@@aaronfarkas6890
- You speak with much confidence about the Arabs' reasons and intention in 1947/8 (did not want to share any of the land/wanted genocide). How confident are you that these were in fact their reason and intention, what is your best evidence in support of this confidence?
- Generally, 2 wrongs don't make 1 right. Let's say your story is 100% fact, how does it justify the current abuses?
@@MalcolmBlk Best evidence is they rejected the partition plan. If they actually wanted peace, they wouldn't have waited till 1993 to do Oslo. There would have been a Palestinian state after 1949. Infact, the palestinians were perfectly happy to be under Jordan-Egypt rule until Israel took it all in 1967.
Don't forget the PLO was formed in 1964 when West Bank was under Jordan and Gaza was under Egypt. So what palestine did PLO want to liberate?
@@MalcolmBlk their leaders wanted to implement the final solution on the jews, they said so. The Nakba originally meant the failure to genocide the Jews,
Where there are low fertility rate there are much more peaceful environment, Is this a coincidence