The State of Warhammer 3
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2023
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"Industry standard" the "military grade" of the gaming world.
Also known as "made by the lowest bidder, minimum viable product"
I cringe every time someone says military grade.
"Bish, have you seen what we work with?"
@@FaithfullyPatriotic at this point everyone knows what it actually means so you don't have to worry anymore
Just a way to remove accountability and appeal to popularity
@@xsision5513 i live in florida. i wish i had your optimism.
19:00 "CA is not supporting TWW. TWW IS SUPPORTING CA!"
Couldnt have said it better myself!
I picture this in Rorschach's voice
they've only got until October before Pharoah releases. I'm betting that they'll compare that game's sales to Shadows of Change and decide from the results whether or not to drop support for TWW, only way for TWW to stay is for Pharaoh to flop harder (which probably won't happen because everything I hear about the game is supposedly good).
we'll likely get Thrones of Decay either way, maybe it'll even be a final chance for CA to see that TWW is worth supporting, but if that also does bad compared to Pharaoh sales we can say goodbye to support.
For real, I wouldn't have bought the game in February if people hadn't been singing its' praises. And then the professional-looking roadmap came out, which is the sort of thing that a company with decent leadership and a good vision for the future makes...but it was all smoke and mirrors.
People need to quit this shit and need to stop supporting CA until core leadership changes. The company is going to continue to treat its' products like trash and its' consumers like subhumans until the managers with these sociopathic tendencies get thrown out on their ass. There should be a video that comes out with every DLC that reminds people of the issues the company has had, it should be naming the people who are causing it, and it should explain the patterns that we're likely to see in the future due to those people. People need to be outraged and demanding NAMES, out for BLOOD (politically-speaking) and essentially digitally protesting until bad actors are forced to step down and be replaced by reputable industry names or fellow CA coworkers with much better plans for the company.
@@Eclipsed_Embers I pitty the fools that pay for an obvious cash grab like Pharaoh.
@@slickysan I've heard that Pharaoh is looking actually good. the team making it has a pretty good track record, especially in terms of listening to the fans. they're the ones that made the last 2 Rome II campaign packs and Total War Saga Troy (a perfectly decent Total War game practically murdered by that 1 year exclusivity deal with Epic). on the whole I doubt it's a cash grab
the real cash grab that CA is wasting resources on is Hyenas, but I'm starting to increasingly believe the theories I've seen going around that Hyenas was basically forced onto CA by Sega without CA having much say of their own on the matter.
The whole "premium DLC" thing was beyond ridiculous. Here's how I imagine the conversation went between the executives:
"The players aren't liking the new DLC. They say it's poor value for money."
"Okay. How can we do as little as possible to raise that value?"
"Let's call it a premium DLC. That'll fix it."
"Genius."
sounds like Vermintid2 DLCs
"Thrones of Decay" being the next DLC title is absolutely poetic, its almost scary and makes me think they planned all this.
Ikr. Shadows of change: evil and malevolent forces moving in the dark and the shadows (the executives) into thrones of decay: the rot and downfall of old kingdoms (CA and wh3) and the fact in the end of the patch notes they say it’s getting decayed and shakey like my conspiracy theory mind is going wild like the devs are calling out for help lmao
Ive made and seen similar comments on this before. It is poetic. Slaanesh DLC 'Revelling in the pain' which is the dying game, Khorne DLC 'Raging' about the failure of the entire trilogy would make it a cosmic joke on par with Tzeentch's schemes.
Lets hope it doesnt come to that, though.
Right after "Shadows of Change", things changed all right.
Yeah hope they keep it coming and make the Slannesh one ‘Pissing on their own Grave’ 😂
Imagine if after Khorn dlc it's a vampire dlc "Into the Grave" lmao
It really makes me sad. WH3 could be such a fantastic game if it was given the same love as WH2.
I’m literally still playing WH2, haven’t bought WH3 at all due to how it released and the multiple steps backwards with things that were patched in Warhammer II, but returned as bugs in Warhammer III because they didn’t patch up the development codebase they used. I’ll wait for a 70% off sale after it is patched up. Only fully-functional, content-rich games with compelling gameplay get purchased on release for anything close to full price, now. I’m only paying for early access if I know I’m paying for early access.
Im not defending ca but come the fuck on. When w3 released it still had content for 100+ hours and thats more than almost any game today. It would not surprise me if youve bought starfield and was thinking that trash is a good deal.
@@ASHFAR578 Yes, but what good is 100+ hours of content if that 100+ hours content is a buggy, laggy, bad campaign with minimal faction changes which for the most part was worse than wh2? For most people who have jobs and responsibilities they want quality over quantity. Elden ring, Baulder's gate 3, Zelda TOTK, all games that had 100+ hours of content at launch and was actually of quality.
@ASHFAR578 dodgy you play wh3 on release? I waited a year before I touched it again and another 8 months before I played it regularly
It's not a matter of love or passion, it's about upper management realising they can squeeze more money out of it.
There isn't going to be a TWW4, any good will they leave on the table isn't going to help sell the next game (it's not like Warhammer fans are going to start playing historical once Warhammer ends, or like historical fans will have any alternatives). Any good will they leave on the table is a wasted resource, it's free money that they aren't cashing in.
There's a lot of love, passion and talent that's going into the game, but it has to contend with the business-side of the company that demands infinite growth.
See the annoyance I had is that I was actually comfortable with the price rise for the Warriors of Chaos pack being £12, and the chaos dwarf pack being £20. If SoC came out at £12 I would’ve gobbled it up, but I ain’t paying Faction prices for a Lord Pack, that’s mental.
Champions of Chaos had more content than the Chaos Dwarfs imo WoC is literally one of best campaigns in the game rn
@@deusvult6164They just needed six years to make WoC good
Agreed. If this DLC had been 15 USD there wouldn’t have been much outrage. CA shot themselves in the foot, whichever executive made that decision can go f*ck themselves
@@GargoyleDX lmao this.
But thats the thing, CA was just dipping their toes with the Chorfs DLC price hike, which was already outrageous. It offered less content for a much higher price. You realize shit's going downhill when a fucking DLC costs half the price of the base game.
What we are witnessing is the “enshitification of everything”, which is what inevitably happens to all good products and companies when the bean counters and golf bros take over. Once you’ve got a corporate management consulting team or executives who sit on the boards in multiple companies at the helm, you know you’re eventually destined for an iceberg so that they can collect on the insurance.
The inevitable decline of everything under capitalism
Yup.
@@NMahon Not necessarily capitalism so much as the natural problem that arises when anyone gets too powerful/unaccountable (which can happen in any system). It gets to a point where the only thing that matters and is rewarded is acquiring more wealth and more power through any means possible. Cue wall street and the majority of politicians regardless of party.
@MrRawrCEO admirable of you try to explain economics to a commie bro
These suits have been running CA for nearly two decades now, this isn't like they brought in a whole new corporate team the last couple of years. What this really is, and what it is 90% of the time a company sees a drop in product quality, is that talented employees are leaving. Most of the people who made Warhammer 2 aren't working for CA anymore, and they are struggling to fill those positions. This is why employee retention is so important.
As both a Total War: Warhammer and Deep Rock Galactic fan. The Developer - Community relationship between those two games are like night and day.
Not very rock and stone of CA
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
ROCK AAAANNNDDD STOOOOONE
@@Dr.AvenVonRock and Roll and Stone!
@@Dr.AvenVon We who are about to Rock and Stone, salute you!
You've perfectly highlighted why so many AAA developers were personally offended by Baldurs gate 3 without even realizing it; you pointed out how that game has shown people what a AAA developer can do in contrast to what they have been doing for years and it's started to wake people up to how dogwater the standards in this industry are.
I remember a lot of developers being similarly pissed when Elden Ring released and people loved it. I have never played Elden Ring and i dont like the soulslike genre at all but that was pretty funny.
Sadly, knowing how much you're being mistreated as a consumer doesn't count for much if there's only one real game in town. Just look at Madden players.
However good Baldur's gate is (and from what I can tell, it is very good) it doesn't satisfy the army-based RTS itch. Only Total War currently does that, so we're either stuck with them or have nothing.
Funny, cos BG3 is worse than, say, Dragon Age Origins in every possible regard, besides graphics. Yet DAO used to be the expected standard, it released among tons of excellent games. Yet today, a far worse game is triggerring everybody.
@@kforge2847you are insane. I have over 200 hours in DAO, and it holds but a candle to bg3.
@@kforge2847 I disagree, its better than DAO tbh. BG3 has so much more depth to it, so many ways to do things. The impact of the things you do etc. bg3 has way deeper lore and better atmosphere, music, environments, richer characters, and some amazing dialogue. I loved DAO but yeah for me BG3 clears it. AAA don't want to have to compete with games like this. It embarrasses them and it should.
Everyone back to frothing over the alleged "fixes" this week. How many times have CA just straight up lied about fixing things, and yet everyone now praising them for allegedly releasing two hotfixes. Goldfish memory community.
I can confirm that at least HALF of the second bugfix list is outright false.
It is the nature of the outrage machine. The entire system feeds itself & we feed it by engaging with this kind of content. The only real answer is not engage at any level. Most people are always trying to get back to their favorite properties regardless of how said property treats them. It is cope but here we are!
@@ekothesilent9456can you imagine my surprise hearing that
@@ekothesilent9456 Could you elaborate what exactly has gone unfixed so the feedback can be forwarded to people who actually fix shit?
@@YeetThyBabyimagine my surprise reading it and realizing I have to touch up some of my mods that would be affected only to look under the hood and realize they straight up lied about making the changes. I’m not saying they tried to fix them and failed but that they didn’t try. they didn’t change the related scripts and triggers at all. It’s like they forget that people have access to call them out. Bet they’ll probably take away the creator toolkit temporarily because they got caught QUICK
I think the loss of FLC Lords is a pretty big thing and I’m glad you mentioned it. It gave some players a reason to jump back in, and remain invested, even if they didn’t buy the DLC straight away. It means they are more likely to buy it in the future. I fall into this camp myself.
Boris Todbringer, The Red Duke and Sarthorael are already in the game and would make for easy FLC Lords.
Just give them unique voice actors, Items, quest battles, mechanics and probably a new start position for Sarthorael.
agreed i really don't feel the legendary heroes really have the same feeling as legendary lords. a legendary lord adds a lot more to the game in replay value and well some of the FLC they have released have been amazing like imrik and rakarth mainly because of mechanics and starting locations with these factions .
There are actually various leaks coming out nowadays.
The entire development side of things in CA is horrifying.
They lost their old devs.
What's the problem with losing old devs? There isn't any f*cking documentation.
Without documentations it'll take *months* for new devs to even understand the code not to mention get up to speed.
That's why patches became slow.
Also, apparently CA as a big company doesn't have automated testing and has been using old codebases/engines for multiple games.
Meaning, that devs are afraid to touch the code in case they break something(and break several games).
They are basically getting by only using band-aid to fix bugs(the problems get bigger in the long term).
And on top of all that, management wants them to produce new stuff and are pressuring things.
If the old devs stayed maybe things wouldn't have been so bad.
I think I heard that SEGA is planning to step forward and do something about the management but I guess we'll see.
Overall, Warhammer which used to be great(if not greatest) *for CA* is royally f*cked(by the time they fix internal stuff).
It’s truly the End Times if we need to rely on reddit unironically
At least, this time it wasn't manfred fault.
Honestly, among all the social media disease, reddit is the... how cay I say, the "least worst". Of course there's a lot of crap, don't ever click on the "popular" icon if you value the health of your eyes (and mind), I even hide that button using adblockers. But if you create a bubble of content and discuss only the technical issues of stuff (not really searching for "opinions"), I would say Reddit becomes a decent platform
lol this
Reddit has been out there for the longest compared to all the other main social media and did the least damage. Have you seen TikTok ?
@@mrxanthios7045this. Reddit can be shit but its pretty tame compared to stuff that has existed for much less time. We need to keep in mind that 90% of redditors also makr up every other online community and vice-versa. Its all the same people just on different platforms, people dont segregate between platforms
Have to disagree on one thing: The executives absolutely do win. Even if CA goes bust, they will grant themselves massive bonuses and get rich of their failures. Then they will move on to another triple A studio and start the process all over again.
This. Unless one gets caught with a Bill Cosby poster or skimming the money backstage, these guys always get their golden parachutes. Plus, they will never even allow the thought that the failure is their fault
@@forrestmcgee7631 They are capable/able, but they may not be willing or may not choose to be active enough in that matter...
Managers hire managers.
to some extent but the thing is they are only passing through CA. they are aiming for CEO or other high positions in much bigger corporations and well if the ship sinks under their leadership well these big companies won't hire them so yes they get that nice and juicy short term mooooneeeiii as CA's execs are getting rn but they burn all their future bridges and in the end they loose millions upon millions of Dollars that they would have gotten in the future so it ain't all sunshine and rainbows for them. they are hurting their career prospects an incredible amount so pressuring them like this is still good esp because board members and shareholders can see whats happening and if this takes too big of a turn well they can go against these execs and have votes of no confidence, buyouts or other such tactics or well in creative assemblies case SEGA can just fire the idiots in the exec offices and demand change seeing as they hold 100% of the shares and CA is one of their most profitable subsidiaries so they are very invested in having CA remain profitable.
@@forrestmcgee7631 But your average customers don't. Look at Konami and EA and see how many dev team & IP they ruined. Yet people kept buying their products to this day.
@@forrestmcgee7631And the amount of money they made.
The executives and boards, the 2 entities that determine which executive to hire, make money off the situation, its the little guy that gets hurt.
CA releases one hotfix (which they usually do right after EVERY DLC) and people go back to praising them and being all "hey guys, let's give the corporation a chance, shall we?".
Two hot fixes. Cut the doom and gloom shit
@@charlesman8722still doesn't make things better. Be needing to release one per day at this rate
@@charlesman8722two? Holy shit all is forgiven
@@jacobs2388what do you want? Spell it out chicken 😂
2 hot fixes that still haven't fixed all the ranged infantry problems or yuan bo actually being able to hit anyone while a dragon or other major game breaking bugs
Fall of the Samurai is probably one of my favourite campaigns ever. Defying the odds as Ainu with your horse archers is dope. The whole campaign is just way too cool. I miss naval battles
People would have liked naval battles in TW if the stats presented for them in TW: Empire weren't schizophrenically out of line.
The multiplayer was hectic, so much fun
I miss naval battle too, so much... in particular TW Warhammer would be so cool with all the awesome ships and possibilities that would come along with it. Just imagining the Vampire Coast alone is just awesome. And, to be honest, without the ships the Vampire Coast is just another faction, but WITH their fleet, wow, I would love to play them again.
I miss rome2 combined naval-land siège battles.
I dream of an empire 2 with gallions bombarding harbours while your pike and shots invade the streets...
@@etienne8110 And the peak of it all would be designing the Black Arc of the Dark Elves. If it is manageable (which I doubt here) it should be limited to one, not two or more.
12:54 but keep in mind that naval battle "island maps" were done by modders before CA implemented them. Many of their best ideas were tested out by modders first (sometimes due to happenstance, sometimes it's clear they were inspired by a modders innovative take)
goodwill + good content + good value = good community
but is it good for the devloper and publisher?
@@randomusernameCallin Why wouldn't it be, unless they work at a loss?
@@randomusernameCallinDeveloping a reputation for good content and good will with the community is definitely good for the dev and publisher.
@@randomusernameCallin if you looked at that and actually asked this question you have not the slightest idea of how business works.
such an obvious thing and still they dont get it.
Legend, the guy who was black listed for a while, has the much more reasonable and based takes about TWH3 than all of the other total war youtubers.
ah, you must be one of those simps i keep hearing about
ArchWarhammer? Cuz if you mean him then agreed
@@jakobiskariot9340 do you even know what a simp is? You kids just throwing around words to sound cool but have no idea what you are saying
@@Morphologicallyy look, simp, neither of the 2 simptraps are gonna notice you this way
Youve gotta make a substantial financial contribution to both, archwarhammer and legend, only the can you reach the tier III simpage that you crave so dearly
Idk, I feel like Legend will at least speak for fans but eventually he'll have to sell his integrity like all other people whp cover this game online.
Those CA gibs mes are important
19:20
"I don't think Hyenas will be making much money"
This aged very, very, very well hahahahahaha
6:59 Your statement about Warhammer 1, 2 & 3 being the same “F***ing” game is such a true statement. Warhammer II, Warhammer III and all DLC’s for all 3 games are merely expansions of the first Total War Warhammer game. I just want to give props to your statement. Bravo. I also agree that nobody won in the Shadows of Change situation. But a battle lost does not mean we lost the war. As long as we all come together(Players and CA), we can still win this war and everyone can be happy once again.
If y’all actually want Warhammer to not go the same way Halo went then you need to accept that Lose-lose situations will happen and need to happen.
This good faith stance is not going to do you any favors. Either a good product is delivered or it’s not, you need to be ready and willing to walk away from a game otherwise companies will shove whatever garbage they decide to release down your throat.
exactly, it's better that nobody wins than only CA winning at our expense, and if this game goes to crapper, then just play another one
More content? Splendid!
@@charlesman8722what content?
@@IVIRnathanreilly content like the kind you are currently commenting under.
yea, die hard fans that complains about everything bad about the game yet buying everything aren't helping anything, 99% of AAA companies are profit 1st, even if the complaints are valid if the money keeps coming they don't have any reason to fix them.
14:30 "And it doesn't have that much further to fall before 'The Future of Warhammer III' " Sad truth.
I love every time you make a reference to the three kingdoms debacle. It's both hilarious and sad at the same time. I love how the community as accepted 'The Future of X" as a euphemism for meaning soon-to-be dead game.
I loved how Legend was laughing at the Chess meme but at the same time he was making clear there were certain chess rules not being followed. Such an authentic moment.
What I gathered from that, is that the AI breaks down if you cheat / do something outside the rules. I'm not sure that's what the creator of the meme wanted to share. xD
I did not get SoC because I haven't played Wh3 for over 2 months at least. Given the state of the game, I regret getting wh3. I had a blast playing Cathay, WoC, even Empire with new foes, things were looking well. However constant neglect of bugs got tiresome. I agree with you Legend, we need to cooperate with CA and help them but you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped
Same. I left the wh3 ship much earlier but I regret saving for it and purchasing it.
I'm in the same boat
I got wh3 soon after launch and played a Cathay and khorne campaign, really enjoyed them despite the rifts of chaos annoyance aha and then did VC immortal empires
But the optimisation of wh3 Vs wh2 is what made me stop bothering to play
Wh2 would take 5 seconds to load a battle whilst wh3 takes 1 min+ and the bugs around unit movement not running down enemies etc just became too annoying to deal with...
Brah WH3 was so bad from the start... I regret it too. How did they go from the banger that was WH2 to this...?
I've always been in the boat of if I have no interest in ever playing a faction added by the DLC I just won't buy it, the only factions so far that I've wanted to play in warhammer 3 have been cathay and kislev so I haven't bought any of the DLC.
Absolutely amazing video and I couldn't agree more, so many companies are trying to make the customers pay for their stupid decisions and try to gaslight them and making them feel sorry when they have all the money in the world to properly support their games, but the people at the top are too greedy to even miss out on the tiniest amount of money.
I mean do you ever miss out on the tiniest amount of money? I bet if your employer missed some hours that you worked you’d be asking for that pay
Regarding the industry standard thing I completely agree, 'industry standard' is on the floor because of companies like Blizzard. These are companies that horribly abuse their consumers and they get away with it because your average gamer isn't thinking too hard about how much they're being ripped off. But with games like what Creative Assembly put out that in comparison have a much smaller audience, these people are paying attention to the games state and what the company behind it is doing and charging for it.
Id like to add Bugthesda into that pile. Fallout76 was unforgivable, and they havent had any good track record since basically Oblivion. Legend may enjoy that game for the hoarding (Id legit recommend No Mans Sky over it though), but its still an AAA grade failure. Its a restourant soup. Overpriced and empty. Looks awful, plays awful, and the only reason it has success is the same level of Stockholm-syndrome people have towards Blizzard. 'Modders will fix the game' doesnt mean its a good game, or that the parent company deserves money for making a mess.
@@Grivehnnah, it's a good game.
@@Eliza-yd7fibut not for the current price
I have not played Warhammer 3 in months... but I want to play it. I just don't enjoy the game as much as Warhammer 2. Lots of little changes have kind of ruined it for me. The expensive DLC doesn't really enter into my calculations since I was disillusioned with the game already. CA has a lot of work if they want me to return to the franchise.
I agree. I already didn't like the wh2 sieges and then when I was looking at the gameplay of three the sieges actually looked far worse. That's only one issue. Blows my mind that we know how to make fun tactical sieges, they had been doing it for decades
@@NMahon lol at least they did fall of the samurai siege right as in my fucking modern cannons and ships make sieges completely outdated since I can just blow the fort into a crater then move on
The player count drop also might be because baldur's gate 3 and starfield came out. I stopped playing total war for a while because of those games.
That being said this game would massively benefit from a custodian team. Look at paradox with Stellaris. They have 2 teams. They have a dlc team and a custodian team. The dlc teams makes new dlcs like every 4 months. In between those 4 months there custodian will do one or 2 patches. In those patches they add new content to all the previous dlcs to increase their value. Last patch they fixed 3 previous dlcs by increasing the content in them by like 30% each.
Paradoxically, I *still* trust CA more than I trust paradox. I was a starting player of Stellaris, loved it at launch. I was one of the core that carried the game to commercial success. Then they released 2 (IMO) stupid updates that destroyed the experience they have built, and most of the OG playerbase left. Yet that didn't matter, as their revenue allowed them to shoot ads and trailers and stuff.
Then I tried other Paradox games, and was similarly let down. There has honestly not been one game from them that I can say I enjoy and it's worth the total money.
That said, the custodian team would be a great idea for CA. TWW is their biggest ship, and it's in their best interest to keep it sailing for as long as possible.
@@olafgurke4699 pdx are absolutely grubby and scummy who fucked up stellaris performance with pop system and haven't fxed the late game abysmal speed despite numerous complaints where they simply tell you to play on a smaller galaxy. i wouldn't choose between them and ca on a good day. fuck em both.
@@olafgurke4699 paradox games (excluding victoria 2 and cities skylines) are also completely unplayable and not fun without the DLCs compared to Total War games. EU4 also has so much DLCs that you can subscribe for like a 5 dollar fee to use all of those DLCs for one month
@@olafgurke4699 Professional and Profound paradox hater here and I'm curious as to what were the two things that you hated?
dont get me wrong Stellaris is still not too great especially in its current position of 17 thousand DLC's that cost 10 morbillion dollars (that you can easily pirate for free) but its still like almost #2 best cared for Paradox title other then a handful of low tier garbage decisions and ideas that weren't involved in overhauling the game what made you quit? Was it the removal of Tiles? I honestly dont know what it could be.
@@SpookyScarySkeletor Most notably, it was the removal of tiles, and strategic resources. I loved the concept of all these various resources you can collect. Then it got condensed into bland advanced resources.
The tile system was another thing I enjoyed immensely. It gave the player perfect control over how to build the planet. I enjoyed making my planets as effective as possible with adjacent bonuses and stuff. Pop planning and robot building was also incredibly easy, as you could just build up the infrastructure and drag n drop pops where you want them. They scrapped all of that for a whacky job system, forcing us to use an AI that can't even do its job properly. The legit most annoying thing about that entire chain of updates was how I spent most of my time fighting against the job AI, because it can't fathom the fact I want my mining robots in the mines, and not in the farms.
They claimed to have made that change in an effort to fight endgame lag, but as it has been proven, the new system hasn't helped with that in the slightest. The game was still unplayable at a certain point in late game. The issue lies with the outdated engine, but they can't admit that, because that'd force them to make stellaris 2 instead of milking the player base dry for a trillion DLC's.
What makes me mad the most, is that no other 4X I played comes even close to Stellaris. It was the best game of its kind that I played, and Paradox ruined it.
That said, there still have been many updates over the years that were greatly anticipated, and new mechanics that I enjoyed playing with, but considering most of my time was spent fighting with the job AI, it just wasn't fun anymore. They changed a running system, and lost their original fans for it.
Perhaps Larian's secret to success is that they don't work with a publisher. Just read an interview about them telling how often they got screwed over by a publisher.
Played 200 hours of baldurs gate.....the bugs are there stop simping for it
@@derigel7662He didn't say anything about bugs though
@legionerer no he said success. Which in turn means game development elements like bugs and such. Game it wonderful looks great, but jesus the story is so poorly written. Massive gaps in plot just apear then go away in hopes you're not paying attention. Massive game breaking bugs. Iv had two crashes that set back hours of work. Every time i use the long jump I hit my head and fall to my death. The list goes on. Baldurs gate is not even close to 10/10 or even 8/10 its like a 6.5/10 but we have a such shit games that this is the best un our minds its like atari ET all over again
@@derigel7662 how the fuck are they similar? Success only mean two things - commercial and, how to call it, public. Like, what people speak about it, to put it simple. If the game is succesfull, it absolutely doesn't mean that it is a good game. Most likely it is, but not neccessarily. And commercially speaking and in terms of public opinion, BG3 is a huge success, doesn't matter if you think if it's good or bad
@@derigel7662 and yet, you have 200 hours. Soooo, reiterate your point for us?
public shaming is remarkebly powerful - the fact that it doesn't happen anywhere near enough anymore is why we are where we are....as humans.
Bring back the Puritans!
Always wanted to draw and quarter one.
Lol what do you think being cancelled is
@alexlacey694 The people who would have been shamed in any other century and attack the very concept of public shaming hypocritically turning around and employing it themselves.
Once again Legend I admire your clinical, calculated and emotionally disengaged take on the situation. Keep making your amazing content
the barrier to entry with this game is just too damn high. I own every LL but when I try to get my friends into it they look at how limited their options for first campaigns are, and don't want to invest into buying all the lords. new players should get 1 lord from each race for FREE for IE as part of the base game so they can see if they want to buy additional generals.
Imo, this is exactly the real problem facing tww3 right now. You need to give new players some affordable option to catch up. If there is any pricing crisis or problem right now, it's the fact that if you want to play IE with all of the past DLCs you have to get an extra mortgage. So what that the new DLC costs more? It amounts to, what, like 2 cups of overpriced coffee -- that isn't worth all of the hype about the price hike. Imo, some content creators did a huge disservice to everyone by focusing on the price increase issue. An issue, okay. But I want content focused on the game, what's good about it or not. I have thousands of hours into tww2 and tww3 combined, but hadn't played the game at all for months, until I saw Ostankya IE campaigns. It looks really cool. Sure it's a little bit more expensive, but as an old Dad, I have other stuff to stress about. I've been playing the DLC a ton and it's fun, for me. All of the talk and drama about the price is ginned up mob hype at it's worst. It might be good for a few people while that hype builds up, but it's bad for the future lifespan of the game, for the other content curators who have to deal with lower engagement, and also for the prospects of relying on new DLC content to make revenue goals (instead of continuing to charge an arm and a leg for all of the old stuff, which hinders new play entry).
@@GrendelJapan You hit this right on. The cost of the DLC isn’t the biggest issue facing total war, and hardcore fans are more than willing to pay to keep the game alive. But if they want to grow the game, what they need to do is make it affordable to the new player so they can get a taste of the full experience, enough to keep them around. However I’m sure they’ve done this calculation internally and it looks like charging an arm and a leg for everything to the odd player is obviously more important and profitable in their books than growing the game.
@@AureliusAntoninusCaracalla My problem with them is that I couldn't justify their previous price raises, and I am just done after this one. I own all the other DLC and want to play their game but I just cant justify it to myself anymore to spend increasing amounts of money on it.
I agree. I bought TWH3 a few months ago, and I didn’t have a credit card then so I had to use my brothers money to pay for it.
Boy did I feel so bad when I had to buy 2 more games that costed like $100, and additional $50+ worth of DLC just to play TWH3 with most of the lords.
SOC is the only DLC I don't own. If they had priced it reasonably for the value, I would have bought the DLC and be playing right now.
And if they had an FLC I would have played at least 1 campaign with the new lord.
Honestly the next big patch just needs to purely fix the game, forget about DLC/FLC. I want a game that at its core I can enjoy and trust to work as intended.
...Did you forget 4.1 was coming out?
@@Dragonage2ftw yeah im sure it'll squash the majority of the bugs, introduce positive gameplay changes numerous and beloved and vastly improve the AI to the point that it is no longer a joke.
I totally agree with this. Half the content needs rework or fixes.
I'd like them to stop bringing more and instead make sure what they have is working and fun.
Pathfinding hasn't been touched in years and units still can't navigate a breach, a door, a corner, or around a TREE. Don't get your hopes up.
Play medieval 2 total war or shogun 2 total war then
Those are games that are very much worth your time
Legend, I have to say I loved the way you have handled this situation. You've made your opinions clear, but have never pushed the community either way. I'm proud of the community for its unity in this situation and it's a small victory that we have come together finally. I've been invested in Warhammer since 94 and total war since Rome 1. Sad this is the way CA have steered the game.
"What shoud our next historic title be?"
Medevial 3?
"Hmmmm what indeed"
Medevial 3 guys. People still play.
"Maybeeee something with Egypt"
Yes, crusade against Cairo! Just make medevial 3 for heavens sake.
CA have demonstrate over _years_ that the only thing they really respond to is pain. So, it may not be a win for the players but, sadly, it is a prerequisite to the win. So let's wait and see if they even want to pull out of this, the only real influence we have in this situation is whether we keep our wallets opened or closed.
this is, unfortunately, true. CA has always been one of those companies that can produce stellar work, and has passionate developers (they have to be GETTING UNDERPAID LIKE THEY DO) but you have to beat it out of them. Happened during TWW2 several times as well. You have to kick up a fuss or nothing gets done
@@TsunamiWombat That's the reality with most studios once they get large enough I feel like. They only care about profits. If profits for their game are the same if you polish the hell out of it compared to just half-assing it there is no reason for them to make it better really. Large companies don't really have "pride of ownership" of their titles at a high level. Individual devs might, but if you don't have managerial/financial support to pursue spending more time polishing things it won't really happen.
I feel like we have encouraged this outcome over time because so many people, myself included had so much goodwill built up from WH2 that we simped and gobbled down any paid DLC regardless of some lingering issues even in WH2. Hopefully this is a correction. We'll see if ToD comes out and has 3 lords with like 4 or 5 "new" units and some half-assed reductive race changes. If so I'm probably done giving them any money at all. Hotfixes and effort now won't fix my mindset, I'm waiting for ToD to see if they actually make changes for the better.
The fact that baldurs gate came out at the same time was amazing. 25 for 11 units in a buggy ass game or 50 for a aaa game tons of people are playing and enjoying.
But baldurs gate is a buggy mess also.....
@@derigel7662 is it? i've had like 2 or 3 bugs within like 60-70 hours it wasn't so bad, same with starfield for me maybe im just getting lucky idk
TONY STARK MADE BALURS GATE 3 IN A CAVE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS
@@derigel7662 Buggy, sure. But not a mess.
The bugs aren't bad enough to take away too much from the overall experience. And Larian has a history of releasing many free patches and content updates until the game is deemed "totally done". Just look at Divinity: Original Sin 2 and you'll see what I mean.
Larian still has the goodwill of their community because they're open and actively patching bugs at a regular pace.
@@DaveOu Act 3 has apparently more issues.
But if I can spend around 60 hours in act 1 & 2 having a great time then you won't hear me complaining lol.
I really like these videos because I don't usually keep up with Game News, as more of a casual/occasional player, so your coverage of this clown shit has been super great for me, and I imagine others like me appreciate it too.
Meanwhile Stellaris is having a massive update coming out very soon and it won't cost a cent, because it is a custodian update. Any series with a library of dlc like these games should have a custodian team as industry standard because it helps make all dlc more valuable.
Species packs have gotten so many updates and additional content over the years, imagine if DLC races like Tomb Kings just got new units every now and then to keep them fresh
It’s insane to me how Paradox suddenly became “consumer friendly”, lol c’mon dude, their DLCs are obnoxious, kinda reminds The Sims in a way. These games are being treated as “game as a service” even before this gimmick was properly introduced in the industry. I honestly despise everything related with this bullshit, the DLC, the pre-purchase that unlock stuff, etc.. paywalls of any kind, they are not reasonable. You already paid the full price, the product should arrive complete.
In earlier generations when we had proper expansions, like Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne for example, that’s fair, a big update who charges a reasonable amount of money. But micro updates who are too expensive, if you buy a couple of them, you spent $60 again, that’s just not right, there’s no “custodian team” who could justify this nonsense. Only the devs and publishers are beneficiated with this approach, the industry noticed how videogames are inherently addictive in nature, they are taking full advantage now. There’s no regulations whatsoever, so anything goes. You will not stop playing TW Warhammer, I know, everybody here knows, CA will keep enticing the playerbase to buy more micro content, milking this game the best they can with minimum effort. And if they announce a “custodian team” or whatever the hell, suddenly they will look “consumer friendly”, lol This videogame hobby is getting more unreasonable as the time goes by, I think I will step away from it eventually. $70 is becoming the norm, DLCs everywhere, Denuvo DRM tanking the performance, low quality in general… ever since the NES recovered this industry back in the 80s, I think the current situation of “gaming” reached the rock bottom
Stellaris, the same game that just recently made those leader changes that capped shit and everyone hated? Paradox the same people that have tons of dlcs, basically destroying other dlcs features, or having features broken on launch, that later get removed? (like carpet sieging feature in that one dlc, thats lmao gone)
Every once in a while I think back to the old Legend and I get very impressed with your growth. I think the old Legend would be a lot more on the extreme doomer side in this issue, not the reasonable and analytical stance you have now. You have really become a linchpin in this community, someone who is able to be passionate while still keeping a level head
Wow, none of that was true.
Totally agree, I had to stop watching him for a year because he just seemed miserable and his reasonable complaints about the game and CA were presented with too much doom which made me stop watching. This is far better in every way
@@datguy2061 DLC sold well.
aka he sold out.
Everyone is playing Starfield and BG3 easy.
I swear total war superfans live in a bubble. I've played thousand hours but if there's new games I'm playing those too
Jokes on you, replaying Cyberpunk 2077 before Phantom Liberty drops.
@@R03333 Forget about Starfield and get BG3.
And AC6. 😊
@@FaelivriMan of culture. I'm looking to but Cyberpunk myself.... But I really want Armored core too..... Too many games...
Thank you Legend for your insight and support, even big channels not Total war related, were touching this topic. We need to make them hear us.
Yeah. This. Pretty much what you said.
I'd just like to direct a particular thanks to you, Legend, since you've thus far been by far the most knowledgeable, analytic, and level headed person to adress this whole mess. Cheers to you.
I have 1500 in TWWH2&3 but I haven’t played it since BG3. Once im done with BG3 then I’ll play Armored Core and when im done with that I’ll play starfield. Once im done with those I’ll return to total war warhammer. It’s a crazy dense time for games and there is a lot of competition for our money and time
Same, but add Space Marine 2 and Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty to the queue.
I don't have an issue with TW, but there are a ton of good games out there right now
If Thrones of Decay fails, that will be the one-two knockout punch that kills the game.
The factions in Thrones of Decay are all big hitters, if they do them dirty you will impact a massive amount of the community.
1 month less time and races, that need far more work, than the already meager amount of SoC, just doesn’t mix well.
If they demand the same price as SoC and don’t delay it, then it is guaranteed to fail.
I'm betting that they'll compare Pharaoh's sales (it releases in just a month after all) to SoC's and decide from that whether or not to drop TWW. if Pharaoh does well Thrones of Decay will likely be the final chance they give TWW.
@@Eclipsed_Embers yeah I think they are leaning heavily on Pharaoh and Hyenas.
I don't have any interest in Pharaohs from what I have seen. And Hyenas looks like it would have been a good game if it came out about 5 years ago. But in 2023 it's going to flop super hard.
@@Lukashoffmann94That's assuming they weren't already working on Thrones of Decay.
But I don't see any reason to be optimistic. Considering SoC.
@@CarlosDiaz-je1bg oh, yeah, I have 0 doubts that Hyenas will flop, but I'm genuinely worried that Pharaoh might do well enough that they drop TWW support in favour of putting those resources towards Pharaoh.
the next update stated that they are updating nurgle, empire and dwarfs. all 3 of those empires are my favorites to play so i am excited to see what updates they will do.
Another shout out for a smaller studio doing better than "industry standard": Aliens Dark Descent by Tindalos (Battlefleet Gothic Armada I & II). It not only released at $40 (which I thought was pretty fair), they also released two major patches and one minor patch within the first 6 weeks after release. The overall quality of the game is fantastic; it perfectly recreates the spooky, unnerving moments of the movie Aliens when things are quiet, and when shit hits the fan it really gets your blood pumping as your squad desperately mows down waves of those filthy xenos.
If that game had been released by CA or some other "AAA" company, it would released at $60, maybe received one major patch within the first two months, left many annoying bugs in place months later, and would have certainly been a less engaging game with worse mechanics and lazy level design.
This whole saga has probably been one of the biggest unforced errors in video game history.
???
@@Dragonage2ftw an unforced error is a sports term, basically means you made a mistake on your own, rather than being forced to do it by an opponent. So CA stumbled into this whole thing on their own, nobody made them do it.
and this is why you always run all communications through PR
Thats what happening when your game works only on ssd.
I wouldnt say the entire saga is suddenly an "error" because of one bad game. I wouldnt trade anything for the epicness of what I have experienced in WH1,2 and even 3 in some cases.
They can always ads stuff to old dlcs. I feel like a, "We're sorry, here's some stuff, it won't happen again." Like add a few minor things, or one major thing to the soc dlc. It would make for a good gesture.
They have never added stuff to past DLC and there's no indication they will. They're gonna take this hit on the chin and be a little bit more gracious with the next dlc to smooth people over
Wouldn't be the first time. They actually added Bone giants to Tomb Kings (arguably the best DLC for the whole saga) and recently they added some of the DLC units to Beastmen (not the exact same idea though).
@@zacharyjackson1829What about the beastmen update?
@Aldebaran... that was dlc for dlc, not the same thing as adding value to an already existent dlc
Unless you're insisting that SoC would be solved with charging us MORE for an already overpriced dlc this is very different lol
@@zacharyjackson1829 Oh, I swore I remembered it being FLC for the DLC
Warhammer 3 is my introduction to the series and the company. I’ve gotten two others from work to start playing as well. I went back and bought part 1 and 3 and most of the DLC. Now I feel like a goon seeing what CA is doing.
Franchise fatigue could definitely be playing a part in it, but at the same time I feel like I'm just waiting for SOMETHING. I don't know what that is but I put less than 100 hours into TWW1, over 1000 into TWW2, and now just under 300 into TWW3. But I also haven't played it in months. Not necessarily because I'm bored with the game as a whole but because I've just been waiting for that DLC/update that really grabs my attention and so far that just hasn't happened.
Also the Larian CEO (I think it was the CEO I'm not sure) when asked about "industry standards" he just said "Standards die every day". And that line goes fuckin hard
The actual quote after a quick google search -
"The problem I have is with the use of the word 'standards'. This is video games, standards just die every day. Things get reinvented. New things appear all the time. When I was starting out in the industry, Assassin's Creed set a new standard. It was over: nobody could make games like Assassin's Creed, there was too much budget behind it, that was going to be the future, everybody had to consolidate, blah blah blah. That didn't materialise. In video games, there's so much free space to explore, still, in the creative tree."
Absolute chad.
Still no empire rework 😭
Try Empire II mod! :)
Empire gang rise up. Honestly I left the total war series after they put all their stock into fantasy stuff, Atilla was the last one I bought. I love warhammer to death but total war has always been a historical series and I think the OGs have been heavily ignored in favor of cashing in on those GW bucks. Imagine if Total War Victoria came out with campaigns for the American Civil War, Franco-Prussian War, Great War, Balkan War, etc. I think everyone would universally cream themselves
@@hansstrudel9614 I left playing Total war and switched to modding it. :D
but I would totally go down the road and say we need Medieval 3, ETW/NTW II or something similar for sure.
It is sad, that CA seems not interested in reworking these titles.
Espacially ETW. They said, back on release I think, that ETW was too ambitious... Well imagine more then 10 years later, they actually got enough expertise, enough money and enough of technological advancements to do a well polished Total war, from back in the ol days.
It is kind of a shame. :|
Mods my boy, use mods
@@hansstrudel9614 I have been wishing for a bronze age Total War set in the eastern Mediterranean ever since Rome 1 and now that finally we're actually getting one, it looks like it's going to be shit. I wouldn't have high hopes for a Victorian Era game at this rate
I have 500 hours spend in WH3 but it started to boring me, even last DLC didn't give me a good reason to play. In WH2 after 500 hours I was having a lot of fun and a lot of ideas to fulfill in game. I start to believe that WH3 will never be as good as WH2.
Mate you fucking played 500 hours. It's normal to get bored after that.
@@Botar48 I think that this kind of games should have big potential to play in different ways, like in CK3 in which there are nearly unlimited possibilities and it provides a lot hours to play.
For my experience, it's because the campaign has to stay at high tempo and never has any real lulls or manoeuvring. Everyone around you will declare war eventually, sitting around and defending is pointless, so you just have to blitz through campaigns in much the same way every time.
On the battles front, sieges still suck, settlement battles are tedious, and open field battles all play basically the same way, and the arcadey nature of the fighting removes a lot of the nuance to combat, and the pace is too damn high. Why offer an hour timer when most battles are over in 5 minutes?
I think the effort to reach wider audiences has encouraged CA to remove a lot of the deliberate, slow paced strategy from their games and it means everything has to speed along at a consistent drumbeat, and all the complexity and dynamism gets stripped back.
This is frankly a dumb way to look at it. As legend said in the video total warhammer 1 2 and 3 are essentially the same game.
You don't have 500 hours on tw3 and 500+ hours on tw2. You have all of that combined together.
Your 500+ hours in 2 are when you had less time spent in the game. When you moved to 3 that didn't go away. You instead have 501 hours after your just first hour in 3.
There are nearly 100 playable lords in 3, but if you've religiously played 2, MOST of those lords you have already played and won't be changed in a meaningful way to get something new out of it in 3. It's no wonder you found less todo in warhammer 3 compared to 2. Because you already played it in 2 dude.
Essentially thinking the games and their hours played are unconnected is a huge blind spot in your analysis.
Have you played every single faction, on legendary and very hard? No you havnt, and therefore cannot be bored, because you havnt tried top tier play. 500 hra is absolutely nothing lol.
Sadly for the franchise, you are so right. Every point. Good summary. If CA had the will to do better, they could do it. Everything is clear.
Loved the sad Kislev music in the background
Thanks for your input man.
I had the game crash twice now after the dlc. That is the first times for me ever and it's not because of my hardware. I started a new Imperial campaign and was happy with the new experience that Karl had new quest battles and enemies all over. What I want is new and improved things for the Empire, the wood elfs and dwarfs which is my core and go to races.
The reality of the situation is that there are a lot of great games coming out right now and massive expansion type dlcs for others. Nobody is going to justify spending $25 for a basic content dlc when the cyberpunk dlc which adds a massive amount of assets and content is just $5 more. or spend another $35 and pick up BG3. Another $25 for Remnant 2. Another $15 for Payday 3. Another $45 for Starfield. Or you can pay the $25 for 3 extra lords, and a hero to play the same campaign you've already played.
That's of course not even mentioning the absolute ocean of Indie titles out there.
CA needs to stop acting like they exist inside of a vacuum.
As a former highly competitive TW player (playing since Med2), the day TW died was when they abandoned the multiplayer system of Shogun 2 (the map, the league system, the customization of your general as well as your units). It was what made people play the game for so long. You could find hundreds of clans with many players in it. The MP never worked again in a single game, and the WH3 scene is a joke compared to Shogun 2 in terms of how many players are into it.
Agree with everything being said except the part about fatigue. Fatigue over the bugs that take months to get fixed, sure. But for the franchise itself? Idk about that. It wasn't that long ago where everyone was having fun speculating on future potential dlcs and LLs. The dlc team has shown that they can cook some good stuff. It's the higher ups at CA that are screwing things up.
Great video man. You are awesome for bringing up the 'industry standard' being in shambles. More ppl need to use their voices and wallets to have these companies make a change
player counts can also be affected by other games drawing attention, so that could explain some drops in playerbase at times.
"Game is too expensive to maintain!"
Steam: "26 Aug 2023 - FUN FACT: Creative Assembly is up 20% in profits over the last year & got a 5.000.000 pounds tax break from UK government."
The first TWWH I bought was part two. I played over 3,200 hours, and the title encouraged me to buy all available DLCs. I bought TWWH III magic disappeared from the old world
I'm not buying any DLC until either the prices come WAY down or just have it be free updates.
"If they hadn't given Troy away for free, it probably wouldn't have sold very well" 😆
These are your best videos by far!
Baldur's Gate 3 really has shown people what game companies are capable of in terms of game quality and fixes. You have companies like Infinity Ward, Dice, and CA talking about how fixing the game often is impossible and everything is so expensive (everything definitely gets more expensive as the execs rake in more and more money and get more unnecessary bonuses year after year) and yet Larian, a relatively small company is doing it all
30% of Larian is owned by Tencent.
Thats why all those Triple A studios hate it. Its a example of what can be done if ur main incentive is not to manipluate and milk customers for as much cash as possible for as little effort possible. Its also for some of us a reminder of how the game industry used to be 15+ years ago. All these Triple A devs on twitter whining about how BG3 shouldnt be a new standard seems to forget that this was the standard just 15 years ago.
@@blaat44And? It still made a better product than the "Industry Standard"
@@blaat44 you might wanna check who has shares in CA lmao
Larian is doing the same thing. Make an unfinished product with insane day 1 patch. Literally "industry standard", lol. Not to mention that game is like worse version of D:OS2 (which was worse version of D:OS).
I really appreciate these kind of videos from you!
I don't they are doomer and boring.
I picked up Warhammer III earlier this year so I could finally play the combined world maps of all three games. I tried really hard to get into the game but it didn't feel great or the same as when playing 1 and 2 combined. The new factions for Warhammer 3 look incredible and mostly feel new and neat but very quickly die out. I'll likely try again later this year but I felt like after 30-40 turns I was just bored of it all :(
Opposite for myself. Only faction i actually enjoy playing in the entire game is Cathay.
Combined with so many of the factions actually require you to own the old games, i will simply stick to Cathay forever.
@@user-gt7ux9iz7u Ya I may reinstall soon and try again, I did love how the faction looked and played. Very cool concept.
Legend, thanks for keeping up on these events. I honestly don't visit the forums or subreddit anymore and have stopped playing WH3 entirely. Not out of protest, but just out of frustration. WH2 was one of my all time favorite games but WH3 has really missed with me and it mostly comes down to CA's patch policy. My experience with DLC is always the same, the marketing for the new content gets my interest, I start up a new campaign with the new patch and invariably some bug kills my play through. Sometimes the bug goes unfixed for months. I just can't do it anymore. I like to keep track of the game out of some hope that maybe CA will change, but at this point the technical debt on the game is too large, CA's version-control is too sloppy and the financial commitment from the executives is simply not there. It's sad that it's come to this.
Exactly how I feel, you put it in words perfectly.
For me, when they vomited every race mechanic they could find onto the Chaos Dwarfs and kept it at 3 lords, I was done.
CA has been playing to many mobile games, every faction has some custom gems they need to grind for. I am surprised they didn't have an in-app purchase for Chaos Dwarf armaments.
It is starting to feel like in WH2 they were adding things and making them more complex (at least until near the end) and WH3 they have continued the trend of simplifying and removing things they can't get to work properly. Also man do I hate the FLC LH's
just seems like a cheaper way to not add FLC LLs since they dont have to do half the work like a mechanic or a starting position . personally the LLs added alot more to the game
I had to stop playing right around the immortal empires release because my computer just couldn’t handle it apparently. I have to turn graphics all down to medium, which looked awful. The loading screens between battles just took forever otherwise.
With Thrones of Decay coming out later this year I don't think Creative assembly will be given enough time or resources to properly right ship on this. It may be due to my experience with other live service games, but at least in Destiny 2 it can take 18 months or more before any kind of reasonable correction. Chances are Thrones of decay is going to be of similar quality to and price to the current expansion and the earliest we might be able to see any kind of reasonable correction would be the third announced DLC, may be.
Just started my first WH2 campaign since 3’s launch.
That’s when I realized we already lost, it’s just a better game.
thats what i said from the beginning. WH2>>>>>>>>WH3
I don't think so, Warhammer 3 was crap at release but immortal empires is way better than mortal empires, they just need to fix sieges a bit
bro why? spent thousands of hours in WH2 but WH3 feels better in everyway
@@mcgunk37452 is harder than 3
100% a better game only reason I plat 3 is because of the content ive spent money on.
I'd wager it has something to do with the factions' playerbase, cathay tzeentch and kislev are probably on the lower end of the spectrum. Dwarfs and the empire are up next and not even factoring in nurgle it will probably be one of the best selling dlc's in a while despite probably having the same price tag as shadow's of change.
Empire, Dwarves and High Elves are my favorite races, I was even thinking of pre-ordering the DLC just like I did with the Empire and High Elf DLCs.
Now I will wait even a year and get the DLC at half the price, the game is unrefined anyway.
Warhammer 2 still has better SFO integration with a ton of other mods.
@@Shatterfury1871 More power to you.
As someone that only plays dwarfs i'm going to pre order thrones of decay on day 1 as we have been starved of a proper DLC for far too long (2016 iirc).
The games have provided me thousands of hours of playtime between them so the
entertainment i've gotten from them far outweighs the money spent, i have 0 problem forking out a little extra for content for my favourite faction - which will undoubtedly pay for itself a few times over in entertainment value.
@@de_sherwin
It is certainly not a little bit more, there are full games that are released at that price.
Granted, I have the money to spare for 100 DLCs, my problem with the price is one of principle: it doesn't worth that much by a long shot and they are price gouging.
With that being said, I understand your pain, the Dwarves have received literally one DLC in Warhammer I, yes, I have that one also.
@@Shatterfury1871 i don't like the price increase either and if you can wait a year without buying the dlc out of principle then i tip my hat to you, though i am not one of those people, i won't starve myself of fun out of spite because these price hikes are standard now, not just in TW but across the industry and voting with my wallet will do nothing but deny myself of entertainment.
@de_sherwin
Enjoy the game, mate, you are under no obligation to do the same.
The base game, Warhammer 3, is a good game, but the price of DLC is ridiculous.
There are a few mods I want to be compatible with SFO, and integration is stalling.
Talking about Dwarves, I want to play the Kraka Drak, Norse Dwarves, with SFO but integration isn't done.
But it is done on Warhammer 2. During this winter I will surely play Warhammer 2 if I finish Valhalla.
Warhammer 3 can wait.
“Creative Assembly is not supporting TW: Warhammer- TW: Warhammer is supporting Creative Assembly!” they will be eating the cost of their mistakes, taking a new direction (new leadership!), and we will get the TW: Warhammer franchise as it should be. I appreciate your genius, Legend.
Very wise words again from Legend
I was invested in Total War Warhammer.. all the way up to the release of WH3.
Now.. Now I just want CA to stop existing.
why? because of the paywall?
I would assume for selling garbage and telling lies
I think the fatigue thing you were mentioning is also partly in wh2 when a dlc came out the mechanics were entirely unique and unseen before in the game. Vs now all the dlc mechanics are recycled and very same-y. The changing is cool and the chaos dwarfs are alright but they could have done more and pushed further with the creativity. So I feel like the excitement is just eh cause what we see now we have seen before
God I hope that they're able to continue onto Throes of Decay. Even if it's the last one and an early end I just do hope that the Dwarves and Empire get some love if it ends.
So I haven't really played much since august 2022, but looking at the game I do feel kinda disappointed in what I have gotten since I brought the game at launch. For example, one of the launch factions for Warhammer 3 that I am actually interested in playing Khorne, looking at the roster, half of it is purple, requiring the third highest price DLC (also what's up with Chaos Dwarves costing three times as much as Orge Kingdoms), and one unit requires a creative assembly account (what happened to the truly "free" dlc).
I refuse to play the game without community bug fix mod being updated. There might be other people like me who is waiting for its update.
I am one of those.
As much as I love Total War (Ive logged over 5000 hours in the franchise as a whole to this date); You just cant justify charging almost half the price of Baldurs Gate 3 for 3 legendary lords.
And BG3 is 2.5 the cost of Hades and that is a much better deal. Or that I have no interest in BG3 dice rolling, luck hoping, D&D borrowing game play (no hate). Therefore it is easily SOC is worth more then BG3 as I will play it full stop. Please learn value is subjective to video games 😊.
@chrisebbles8290 Baldurs Gate 3 is a critically acclaimed, user acclaimed FULL game that provides hundreds of hours of content to HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of people. This is 3 legendary lords in a game that has almost 100 of them at this point, for almost half of the price. I won't be rude but you should reconsider that perspective and realize how out of touch (and similar to a CA/SEGA executive) you sound mate.
@chrisebbles8290 Frankly you could have just said "I don't like Baldurs Gate 3" and that would suffice, which is fine; but don't try and defend this sub-par price gouging nonsense.
I got elden ring for 5€ more than Shadows of Change
Yeah CA can keep trying selling me this crap
@@slimthug166 Is BG3 your parents? I did not kill your parents mate, get off that D....
You missed the first line about Hades, I clearly do not support the increase overall but the OP asked a particular question about justifying SoC against BG3 and I pointed out it is a subjective point not a factual one.
BG3 has no value to me as I am not going to play it which makes such compares weak and as I think Hades did what BG3 did prior, it is a much better value.
If you are done humiliating yourself with yourself, go play the games you have value in and have a great time 😊
I think the SoC DLC coming out around the same time as the Early Access of Starfield, was probably an additional factor as to why the sales on this DLC also didn't do as well. Maybe if CA pushed the DLC release a couple more weeks out in mid-September, its possible it might have done a bit better.
I mean maybe you could say that, but one is a full game RPG, and the other is a DLC for a long running RTS.
I would have bought SoC on pre-order, as I did every DLC for TWWH...If it wasn't a fucking rip-off.
Starfield has nothing to do with it, aside from it is coincidentally what I'm playing instead of SoC. (But I'd be playing Starfield anyway, and SoC would be sitting unused until I finish that and then BG3, which I haven't even purchased yet.)
Again, I doubt Starfield made much difference for fans of both.
CA shit their pants and then tried to charged me to smell it.
LegendofDeadFranchise
cant wait for your Hyenas gameplay dude
Too bad. that game got cancelled. It didn't even have a chance to be an embarrassing spectacle. It was Old'Yellered before it even reached storefronts.
I have NO IDEA why they simply don't just make Medieval 3. It's as if they are intentionally avoiding it
2 many white men for it to be developed :^]
because they cant make a medieval 3 that will hold a candle to the 2nd one. Too many details have been removed from total war games since med 2 came out and the engine doesnt suit historical titles anymore. If they did make med 3 people would buy it and hate it.
Another thing that kills lifetime is campaigns being shorter and easier. WH2 Legendary scared me to shivers but Wh3 is just a walk on the beach.
Legendary should be legendary again and Campaigns should have something like a lenght slider where you can set your campaigns to reach T5/the snowball effect whenever you want.
lol why do you have a picture of a celestial dragon xD ? do you love that guy?
Honestly
Legendary in wh2 is just asking you to cheese the game instead of using real strategies that won impossible battles in real life
nah, I just make a parody of the ppl that put anime characters on their pp@@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou
but there's my one piece fan!
I think a big part of the problem with SoC was the double whammy of a price increase along with a content decrease. If it had been one or the other it would have been much more well received.
Total War died in my heart the day game chat was taken.
I cry every time I remember Ashirigaru sex party.
Completely agree on this one, it doesn't feel like a victory... It's sucks... Although love your content Legend, have a great day all.
This whole thing makes me glad to never have bought WH3 and I can just watch from the sidelines
yep same here. i have ttw2 with all dlc's, grimhammer overhaul, and something like 40 mods on top of it, and i still play it from time to time.
My father is a lawyer, so he’s fairly well connected to many industries and he told me a story of one of his friends knowing I love gaming. His friend is a business major but “loves” the gaming industry because of how lucrative the monetization is! This person is the type of guy taking up managerial and executive positions. He knows nothing about the companies he is part of in terms of gaming. He is simply there to make money. That’s the kind of “love” companies have for the gaming industry these days and it’s disgusting.
After a pause I came back to Warhammer 3 two days ago, playing my Cathay campaign. Got a bit confused by the changes to Yin/Yang on the campaign map (wait, I can research without constantly worrying about balance now? Nice, though the constant balancing act kind of felt like the point), but things seemed fine. Being able to switch the Yin/Yang buildings without destroying them seems cool.
Eventually one of my lords leveled up - a Magistrate. Oh hey, a new skill tree! And... er... he's level 28... but has only two skill points allocated and the one I just got?
Respec mod didn't help.
I also found an item and got a question mark portrait and glitched character name as a recipient.
Oh well, time to try out a new campaign and see what Zhao is like (whoa, the dragon breath is really quick!).
Hm. I completed a quest that should get me a purple item, but there's nothing?
*Sigh*
I don't even have the DLC and the game feels worse. And that's apparantly already after a hotfix?
Hats off to you Legend, for honesty, for conscience, for logic. For everything.
Hope this doesn't mean that CA will cut WH3 life support out of spite
They'd be cutting off their nose to spite their face if they did
@@retnuHDJthey might do it anyway, if they do it's their loss more than ours
they are a company, if they deem that there is not money to be made with WH3 they will cut it, simple as
They won't, their other projects will flounder, WH3 is their cash cow.
They invested a lot of money in this and would destroy any other sequels, I dont think a big company can be that stupid out of "spite".
Love your reports on this stuff boss! Good content boss.
"CA is not supporting Warhammer, Warhammer is supporting CA."
Absolutely, it has been the only Fantasy universe that I have known to either make or break any company that isn't GW.
This is not the first nor will it be the last rollercoaster that Warhammer fans choose to ride on. The games made for WH might sink, but the universe they came from lives on!