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- Theologian Russell Moore is one of the most influential figures in evangelical Christianity today, but back in May he sent shockwaves through his community after resigning his leadership in the Southern Baptist Convention. A leaked letter alleging “raw racist sentiment” was one of the many damning reasons he walked away, and he speaks with Michel Martin about the Church and these troubling issues.
Originally aired on July 27, 2021.
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My Father was an Evangelical Baptist minister who was abusive and an anti-woman. He became a minister to hide behind his collar and have power and control over his family and congregation. No one would question his intentions, nor would anyone voice their concern about his wife and kids. We had abusive congregants too. People go to church flawed or broken, but ignoring the message makes me mad! I follow the teaching of Christ “Love one another!” My Father and these congregants are missing love. I applaud this leader in making a change, sticking to his morals and values, even when it includes walking away. I walked away from my family to save myself.
Sorry about your story about your father, you are very brave and admire your courage to let the world know about it.
🙏🙏🙏
We respect authority but not when it runs counter to Christ’s love and commands. Walking away from toxic, abusive relationships is honouring the Lord. I am deeply sorry to read your short-testimony of family and religious abuse. May one always look to the Lord even when man’s evil seems to prevail. Thank you for sharing.
ya, you got it, most evangelicals. 85% score high and very high on right wing authoritarianism RWA, too much defference to power, and highly prejidices, anxious, and agressive towards minorities.
I am so sorry you had to go through all this. My hat’s off to you, especially if you were able to retain some semblance of faith afterwards.
I had a 1 1/2 year long unpleasant experience with Fundies as a teenager, but it was nothing compared to yours. And yet, I continue to harbor mis-trust and an overall dislike of these people.
I was a Presbyterian Yankee in a southern evangelical church, so I had a big problem with their walloping misogyny, their persistent efforts to manipulate me and an overall creep factor that went to 11. 😵
One day during a particularly long and misogynistic sermon, I got up, walked out and never came back. Quite ballsy for a 15 year old!
Man, I salute you.
Having sat on a pastor search committee in a SBC years ago, I can attest to the absolute hard-headedness of some baptists. There is a core of baptists that treat their church like their own personal fiefdom. And they are immovable and unreachable. It was personally painful to realize that these folks I had looked up to all my life were just so petty. It poisoned me on the church.
Well, they moved their poison into federal politics and if it wasn't because of the narcissi, we'd all be sharia Christians. Y'all made the grape Kool-aid and the brethren spiked it for everyone. Funny how the great leadership just quit. And that too would have not been news, if his leaked letter hadn't let the stench of the SBC barn waft out the door before it hit his behind. Now he is on "TV" pretending he smells like rose.
@@onedaya_martian1238 it started in about 1972-73 with a fellow named Paul Weyrich he got his seed money from the Coors family ironically - to start the Heritage foundation - school segregation /busing was not going well at the polls so they hopped on the abortion train - ironically the most pervasive abortion laws were signed by 2 republican governors - Ron Reagan in Calif and Nelson Rockefeller in NY - because repub dogma says the government should not be involved in personal decisions- but with the help of the catholic church abortion struck an emotional chord - so Mr Weyrich hooked up with a minister to form the moral majority -and they wooed Reagan to get the southern voters to switch parties - and Reagan wooed them back - the rest is our distinct misfortune
And hopefully you've turned your back on the church, for good.
I was a member of the SBC for a decade. From day one, at a Bible study, I sat and just observed. At the end of the night, they had to pick out a new study to start, they asked me if I had any ideas. I said, I'm not coming back, because, I'm looking for a group of Christians who want to look inside their hearts, apply the Bible, and change what God is leading us to change. I'm not looking for a group who wants to spend 2 hours talking about how Sinful the non-believers are and how we are in the end times and we need to call out all the horrible Democrats, Homosexuals and Transgenders. The response was, surprisingly receptive, and they asked me if I wanted to lead the next 6 week coarse. I said, "I have a very good book and workbook we could go through by Jerry Bridges, called, "Respectable Sins" a look at some of the "Respectable Sins" IN OUR OWN LIVES, that we so easily overlook because we are to consumed with the sins of the non-believing world, (Who by the way don't have the Holy Spirit to guide them.) At first this was really helping change the hearts of many in the church....or so I thought. Then Barrack Obama was elected and that was just too much. I spent years quoting scripture and begging my Brothers and Sisters to Love the World and not condemn them. Then Donald Trump came on the scene and they were all drawn to him like moths to a flame. I found myself fighting a losing battle. After the Jan.6th act of treason, and my church refusing to believe the Corona Virus wasn't a Democratic Hoax and refusing to wear masks, or help in any way to rid the world of this plague and defending DT no matter what he did, I finally resigned after many tears and depression of which I still deal with. I'm saddened at where the Church in America is today.
@@onedaya_martian1238 so this tells me your 'feeling' based instead of 'reality' based. It's pretty pathetic that you would think that.
Michelle is a fabulous interviewer. The Evangelical church has moved so far away from Christianity and the teachings of the Bible. There should be no place in religion for racism and hatred.
What I like about this interview is that Moore does not deny the negative elements. This gives me some hope that, those things could shift towards the better, if done right.
Amen
She is an outstanding reporter interviewer. Everybody should take lessons from her. Neither of them buried us with word salad propaganda. .
Amen. They’re a part of Churchianity with its emphasis on power, money, and hierarchy that twists scripture to keep males in power and women as objects. Abuse flourishes in this environment.
@@marybusch6182 well... what did he say? Sounds like word salad to me. ??? He was given a platform, how did he use it? Did he say anything really worthwhile? Or anything at all???
Two people having a conversation like real adults... how refreshing. I've missed that over the past few years.
Boy do I agree!!
Indeed! It had got to the point of being toxic. This here is not commonplace but refreshing.💯
I know!
Real adults don't believe in fairy tales.
Really? I thought this guy just danced around and didn't honestly any of the questions.
Michelle Martin has been my favorite NPR-affliliated journalist. I used to love her late night talk show in the 2000s. And despite NPR treating her shabbily, she conducted herself with dignity and confidence. This interview is just another example of how good she is at her work. Thanks Amanpour & Co for the pleasure of viewing this interchange.
“There is a crisis of credibility”. Young people “don’t believe the church believes what it preaches”. Both quotes are on point.
Does everyone already know that Africa's Christian churches add around 38,000 new Christians PER DAY. +400 million now growing to 600 million by 2025. Iran and Nepal's Christians churches are growing at the fastest % rates. China's church is rapidly growing. Only Europe's Christian churches are shrinking, while their Muslim churches grow. These casual sentiments are irrelevant whining. Whine all you like. Life does NOT HAPPEN ON TV. You must READ and SHOW UP. Latin American churches are also growing. Like wildfire. American TV viewers know nothing but love whining.
@@scottmcloughlin4371 MY MAN!!!!! Love you brother!!!!!!!!!!!! Too much of the American Church and/or the American narrative has been captured by those occupying offices and not occupying with The Truth!!!
@@smiffythecat3751 Anti-Christian TV messaging started in the 1970's. Why? 1970's TV sprouted "televangelists" with their own shows? Why? They all ended up publically disgraced? Why? That was *backlash* for MLK and Christian soldiers marching AGAINST RACISM - both racist apartheid here at home and racist warring (Vietnam?). I know some lobbyists here in DC. Been here +30 years. Lobbyists are vicious paid liars. Baptists? Many would consider *15 million black American Baptists* America's most famous Baptists! What are lying TV personalities snorting? SBC got wrapped up in post-Nixonian Southern Strategy GOP politics. Surprised? Nope. So what? TV is horrifying! TV is illiterate idolatry. All American communities have handfuls of problems. Church going is not among them. Never walk the road alone brother!!!!
@@scottmcloughlin4371 I don't understand your point. The number of people believing bad shit doesn't make it good. People are indoctrinated into religions every day all over the world as children (what you're talking about). So what. That doesn't say anything about the truth of the religion or whether one should believe it. You're monumentally confused my friend.
@@spocksvulcanbrain Stop babbling. Have you read Scripture? How about Church fathers? Taken any real Philosophy classes? How about Buddhist Pali Cannon? Koran? Do you read at all? Please understand how I thank God in my prayers when filthy USA illiterates, TV viewers, soldiers, racists, junkies and predators (so many kinds) commit suicide, get raped and overdose. My good will is reserved for people who read together in groups and put written wisdom into action. There are many varieties, from engineering books to cookbooks to law books to doctoring books to religious books. There are more kinds of books. They are not "What That" books. They are How-To books. See? They are Recipes, not Restaurant Reviews. They are not transcripts of video tapes. Go read St Augustine on allegorical hermeneutics if you care. But in any case, so many useful books are shared by groups to guide their group actions. How was Scripture useful to me? Well, my American Indian Christian grandmother (married my Christian grandpa Howard) took me to their Yankee race mixing peacenik church, taught me to read, and taught me to detest racist sinners and mercenary sinners. Let's see how that panned out! Later in college, with Harvard Unitarians (mostly - I also worked for them) and millions of Christians (mostly) globally, I helped Bishop Desmond Tutu destroy a racist government 1/2 a world away and burn white racist South African civilian sinners alive in fires. Screaming their last screams. IRL. No just saying. We brought hell fires down up earth! Praise the Lord! Then Anglicans made Bishop Tutu into Archbishop Tutu! Anglicans! Not just for empire anymore? Right? LOL. Are you still reading? We do not share any "team America" or "team west." I went to Harvard, but we do not share "team college grad." Understand me? I bet you do now. I wrote engineering specifications, so we don't likely use many English words the same ways. I pray that African Christians organize to burn more racist imperial bodies alive screaming. Is that clear now? Scripture is "true" like arrows "fly true." Alethiea is one of those complicated Greek words that doesn't quite translate into "True." Scripture does not have to "be true" in the manner of "We burned racist sinners alive screaming" is very true. LOL. See now? I bet you see and hear very clearly now. I want you on your knees praising God for the recent Taliban victory over loser USA imperialist soldiers. RIGHT NOW. See God's infinite mercy? I bet you do! I love those Muslim brothers and Sisters! Maybe nothing I say can save you from hell fires. I don't know. What do you think? Do you think at all? I recommend that you QUOTE SCRIPTURE RIGHT NOW OR SHUT YOUR USELESS WHINY MOUTH. Anyone who has read fewer books than I have read should go read more books! Go read about South Africa's hell fires and great Christian leaders like Archbishop Desmond Tutu! Peace be with you! Don't forget those hell fires! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Tutu
I'm impressed and appreciative. An evangelical Christian who is not overly entitled or smugly self-righteous. I often wonder how so many evangelical Christians can preach such hatred and still claim to love God with a straight face. This man actually loves God.
Seriously ? It would be interesting to see he voted for.
If everyone all over the world practiced the Golden Rule to do unto other as you would have them do unto you, think what a wonderful world it would be! 🥰🙏🏼
Not to disagree with you, but really if everyone followed even just the FIRST & SECOND Commandments that the life Jesus says, everything else rests on.
Wow!
For if we truly love Father God with all of our heart, soul, strength and might, we'd love our fellow man as well as ourselves 💕
Love God with all means I give reverence to Him, His word/obedience to 'it,' is first and last priority.
In that, I don't covet, steal, murder, commit adultery, etc. because His love shed abroad in my heart by Holy Spirit causes me to so want to walk in union ~ holy communion ~ I want to please Him and do nothing to distance our relationship.
While I'm certainly NOT in this place, I endeavor daily (and throughout) the day to set my compass here and give Him permission to work this out in my mind, will, emotions and life.
Blessings 🛐💯🎶🕊
Do you think the people who literally burned the cities in the summer of 2020 would agree?
I am luvin' you! I can't seem to say that enough! All I want is for you to treat me as I treat you. Thank you!
but satan doesn't respect that 🤣
What if someone wants what you ... don't want.
Better:
Do not do unto others what you would not want others to do unto you.
I know it sounds complicate but basically, don't shove your choices down someone else's throat.
Christian means, to be "Christ like." To be like Christ. To follow, and teach Christ, and Christ like behavior. None of these "Evangelicals" seem to be this. It should not be political either. This is unacceptable.
So well said !
Amen!
@Dirty Sanchez Amen!
@@tklyte
I must have missed the stories of Christ burning and torturing people. 🤦🏽
I would add that it should be minimally organized.
And definitely no mansions and private jets.
I left as a child. Of course I still had to physically go to church but I left the divisive bullheaded crowd behind in the dust. As soon as I didn’t have to go, I stopped. Trump blew it up but this has been the problem for as long as I can remember.
I understand. People need community. It’s hardwired. I moved to the larger community of humanity where differences are normal instead of pretending that people are supposed to obey coercion. Nope. You don’t have to become someone you’re not.
And to be one of the group you have to comply and give up any reservations you might have about what is being taught. So glad you didn’t become a sheep.
Skepticism is the foundation of finding truth, for without it we are left gullible and superstitious.
Because you’re smart. I am not a genius by any stretch of the imagination and I recognized the hypocrisy at nine years old. It’s clear to anyone who isn’t using religion as a mask.
@@dianemitchell1717 "religion" is all about being a sheep in a flock.
@@jayeautocorrectstohate5054 Same.
I love that Michelle Martin _always_ pushes back with intelligent questions.
She does not accept pat answers. She is a true Journalist.
Absolutely love this guy. He speaks to truth. He does it against a wave of possible personal harm. This is someone who is spiritually connected.
God bless him for his truth especially in this crazy time that we are going through as a nation.
I am sure he and his family have gone through hell. Even when you know you are right, constant threats and harassment are extraordinarily stressful. I hope he and his family stay safe, and don’t experience lasting trauma from this unbelievable hatred.
The SBC is an organization that one should not be proud to be part of. One’s spiritual path should not be subject to denominational power struggles over doctrine waged by the power hungry rather than the spiritual. The same can be said for other denominations as well.
David, I'm a Southern Baptist. I'm a SBC pastor. I'm the son of a SBC pastor. I've never been ashamed of my beliefs/interpretations concerning the Bible. Does that mean I agree with the expression of large numbers of evangelicals especially in the SBC? Unequivocally, the answer is no! As a 17 yr old, I took a black friend (with whom I attended his COGIC church every other week in HS) to my dad's church in N Alabama. I was schooled right quick in the racial prejudice that exists in the church, and my dad paid for my misunderstanding until he died there 6yrs later. Does that mean I should abandon the heresy that I believe to follow Scripture more closely than the others? In the words of Paul the apostle, me genotoi, absolutely not! Just because people get it wrong doesn't justify throwing the baby out with the bath water.
“ONE” is pathless. Union is existence. Creator transcends exist-tense. and in case Hubris has yet to execute the teachable funny-bone-Self (with which we were each endowed Romans 12:3): “ would’ve, could’ve, should’ve; never did.”
@@ronaldharding3927 the Conversation should split. And, stop pretending its a union. It would be a blow to the "real estate ' holding.
@@ronaldharding3927 "Does that mean I should abandon the heresy that I believe to follow Scripture more closely than the others? In the words of Paul the apostle, me genotoi, absolutely not!"
Does this mean you embrace heresy and disregard scripture, yes?
@@ronaldharding3927 I was involved, due to my mother primarily, in speaking in tongues evangelical groups. I had a pastor from one church telling dirty jokes when away from the rest of the members of the church. At another rather larger church, from the Assemblies of God, the pastor was caught mating with women in the church that were not his wife. That got him a quick divorce and a quick defrocking, but for years that had been going on.
When we feel on hard times due to my father's health failing, the American Christians did essentially nothing to help. They would come over to pray and then go on their merry way. In the end it was not so well off non-Christian Americans who helped us the most.
I had one pastor and my mother try to convince me to vote for Reagan a second time, which by law no pastor is supposed to do that. And I had realized that the very 'Christian' Reagan was really nothing of the sort. Later on it turned out that miss "Just Say No" Nancy was busy consulting an astrologer. From Grunge...
"As The New York Times remembered in 2018, Ronald Reagan, former Hollywood actor and former governor of California, was an unlikely choice for white evangelicals when he won the presidency over Jimmy Carter - a self-described born-again Sunday school teacher - in 1980. Reagan's anti-Communist and limited government ideals successfully eclipsed the fact that he was "twice-married, alienated from his children, [and] almost never attended church." Even so, it might come as a surprise to learn that Ronald and his second wife, Nancy, made many decisions after consulting not an all-powerful, all-knowing God, but rather the messages hidden in the stars overhead.
Read More: www.grunge.com/254331/why-nancy-reagan-became-obsessed-with-astrology/?
I still respect Carter. I do not Ronald Reagan nor Nancy nor most of his administration.
From Wikipedia...
"The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by numerous scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any president in American history."
My guess is that Trump's administration will wind up breaking that record. Another fake Christian that the evangelicals overwhelmingly supported. It seems that what the majority of evangelicals want these days is power. Something they accuse others of desiring.
From Acts 15:28, 29 we have the following:
28 - "It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities,
29 - namely, to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right. Farewell."
So abstain from meats sacrificed to idols (not really an issue these days), from blood (Yep, not a problem), from meats of strangled animals (not the way animals are slaughtered these days, so another non-issue), and from unlawful marriage. (Not a problem.) Pretty easy to follow that set of rules. Glad that is done.
When I finally gave up on Christianity I felt a huge weight lift off my shoulders. I didn't have to worry about having a lack of faith.
So you believe whatever you want to. I'm not going to believe in the triune god anymore. (3 in 1, sort of like the oil I have in my garage.)
I am returning to the UK where Christianity is not so powerful and where I actually respect the Christians there as they are far more likely to follow the Beatitudes then the majority of American Christians. And I can talk with them without them trying to convert me to anything.
Living in the south among these evangelicals have taught me they are all show, it’s pretense….most are unkind, judgmental and clannish. It’s a relief to be away from them.
Truer words were never spoken, happiest day of my life was getting as far away from the hypocrisy as humanly possible.
thank you for being truthful
They're what Jesus would call the Pharisees. - Pretty on the outside, ugly on the inside. Praying to God in front of people to make it seem like they're devoted to Him, but having nothing to do with God when no one is looking.
i am here now - living in this foreign land and i can not wait to get away its encouraging to know that there is life after . i pretty much stick to myself mostly-
Many of these churches appear to have lost humanity. If life is so important like an unborn fetus, then why not get vaccinated? If not for one's own sake but for thy neighbor. The separation of church and state no longer exists. Having survived my premature birth and its medical challenges throughout my life is my relationship with God up until this very minute. This past 6 years is further confirmation especially the last year. Brain surgery and seizure kidney disease, a transplant, heart attack and bypass surgery all have been my journey. With a private last rites between me and a reverend. Music and God were my mental and spiritual strength along with prayers from friends, family, and people I've met over the years. Faith in God's gift of medicine and science, because He guided the minds and hands of the doctors during surgery. Two songs that summarize all of this are "Don't Give Up" by Peter Gabriel w/Kate Bush and Sir Elton John's "I'm Still Standing".
This woman is a well-prepared and talented interviewer. Very interesting interview.
I was in the evangelical movement when it was first becoming popular in the Deep South. I was just starting high school. I was taught the love and compassion of Jesus. His deep moral soul. This was early 1970’s. The focus was changing to numbers. Like a corporation pushing to reach its sales quota. They wanted year over year growth. They were not interested in helping those who truly needed it. They only “helped” if it benefitted them, no different than an oil company commercial saying how much they are doing for the “environment”. Yes, the majority of the congregation were systemic racists. It is still the same as ever today. But the churches are like major companies selling a product. It is a church where you can go and not feel guilty about being racist, greedy, political, judgmental, cruel, violent against “Gods enemies”, anti science and arrogant. But the church leaders knew this many decades ago. This is how you get more people. You make them feel good, you don’t challenge them and you get more MONEY! I watched it morph into this for the last 40 years! I miss the churches that had sincerely compassionate people who wanted to be good to each other and find ways to help those in the most need no matter who they were. Sometimes it was my family. I miss the beautiful and deeply spiritual music. I miss the messages that challenged us to be true to our morals and ethics and always lead people to God and let Him do the rest and not to humans trying to SELL them! And to strive to be like Jesus with loving hearts, respectful, compassionate, sincere, unselfish and always kind. Who does that anymore?
Thank you for the post. Coming from a good place. May God bless you.
We all miss the christians. Evangelicals aren’t christians, they’re racist fascists who have co-opted the word “christian.”
I was raised in a super strict Baptist home. Emotional abuse was part of the package. My “Christian” upbringing has ruined my life.
@Grey Hound Breaks my heart, and makes my blood boil at the same time. So very sorry you have been scarred like this, I sincerely hope you find support and genuine love as you continue on your path.
Reading your post really struck me. I hope you can find happiness through community and friends and life purpose. I wish you peace and hope and a beautiful life. Good luck to you Sir.
I survived crazy nuns.
I’m so sorry.
@@lolodee3528 same here!
TAX RELIGON.
It has become political tax it NOW.
Stats show RELIGON only donates 7% to help poor or disabled.
If religious groups had to show their "good works" in order to retain their 501c status, that would be very wise
Could you provide a reference for you stats about RELIGION donation percentages? I’d be interested to see it.
First of all, tax-exempt organizations are held accountable to their status and are required to file 990 forms with the IRS every year. Secondly, all pastors and others paid salaries do pay personal income taxes on all they receive. There is a lot of misunderstanding around this issue. Churches and charities are not taxed on donations, because it is not income. The 7% figure you give is simply false. There are some crooked organizations, but most Christian organizations do what they claim. By the way, as the leader of a Christian nonprofit, I do not even get matching social security and Medicare contributions from my employer (board driven nonprofit). There is no unemployment insurance either, unlike most workers doing secular jobs. Tax laws are complicated and need reform, but the system set up for churches was meant to be fair and promote charities and other public good. The vast majority of pastors are in small churches and not well paid. It is mostly sacrificial service. I cannot speak for other religions.
Ive been saying that for 20 years - here is my prediction if that ever becomes close to reality - you will see more dead presidents than Jeff Bezos;s wallet
Does everyone already know that Africa's Christian churches add around 38,000 new Christians PER DAY. +400 million now growing to 600 million by 2025. Iran and Nepal's Christians churches are growing at the fastest % rates. China's church is rapidly growing. Only Europe's Christian churches are shrinking, while their Muslim churches grow. These casual sentiments are irrelevant whining. Whine all you like. Life does NOT HAPPEN ON TV. You must READ and SHOW UP. Latin American churches are also growing. Like wildfire. American TV viewers know nothing but love whining.
It's been like this for years: He who shouts the loudest, gets the most airtime. Quiet, calm reasonable people don't necessarily shout, so sometimes all you hear are the Hannitys and Becks - and the Boeberts and Greenes.
With Evangelicals, God and money goes together like bread and butter.
The bible say very clearly though that love of money is the root of all evil. So it's sad to hear that this is what you seem to have observed from Evangelicals. Just know that there are people that love Jesus that don't think at all that there's any such thing at all like a God that go together with money like bread and butter. It's rather like oil and water instead. Two things that can't be mixed, no matter if one try.
I listen to more "Evangelical" radio than is healthy. Why? in the last decade and a half the programming has slowly eliminated ministry to children, to youth and a great deal of basic bible teaching. This has been substituted with programs on money management, or partisan politics. Their news feed is presenting anything but balanced reporting. Too many of us instead of turning to God in prayer for dealing with the many issues we face, turn to politics first. A crisis of credibility? No kidding!
@@elvenkind6072 In a Reagan voice, "Well Jimmy, it seems like in the majority Evangelicals are frauds, just like me."
I think that is money and God.
@@daveerwin115 It's been longer than that, bro Dave... It took me a while to realize what it meant(still working on the depth of it). But it started changing in the 90's. Unfortunately. Those rare, far away, hard to hear, radio programs began to fade. Those late night, hard truth, in your face stations that spoke of issues we are facing today and more.
where were these people when kids were being separated ,healthcare was being stripped from millions, school lunch was being cut, and people who needed aid were thought off as lazy and forced to work in a pandemic?
And support a person for President who was an adulterer & monetary cheat & purveyor of hate.
They were collecting tithes from all during the times of what you listed and then some. The church is out for itself, not there to help people.
Hanging out with the pool boy.
@@manuelsoto598
Hahaha great comment!
Supporting the fear and loathing of the stranger.
They say actions speak louder than words but inaction also speaks volumes about the state of your heart and mind.
Yes, he remarks about the devolution of his movement and used it to his benefit politically. He did it for who knows how long until he was either pushed out or quit.
He did nothing to fix it ... Instead he left it.
The more you try to fight these people, the worse they get.
@@fadedrose9 maybe we need a new way to fight them.
So true. The church largely sits back and lets awful thing happen because they deep down WANT them to happen. They all WANT things to be bad because they think they are getting closer to their rapture
@@Moriningland Boom! You see what I see!
The part I’m impressed with is that he wrote the letter. The interesting part however is that he had to step aside, what does that say about their movement.
He's double minded and in denial about that church.
As a Group, Evangelicals don't come across as being sincerely spiritual. Seems like they align with fear and hate.
Kirk W. McLaren may I add "parlor tricks" to fear and hate?
DUH.
Its more just nationalistic conservatism, not really heartfelt attitudes. Might aswell be just another arm of the gop..
You are describing the DemocRatic leftist party they also despose hate and fear!
I don’t blame you for thinking that,it seems to be their real life testimony at this point so sad. Many seem to be leaving out the “Christ” in Christianity.
Unfortunately the US government has lost credibility as the moral leader of the world and the Christian body has also lost its credibility.
Since when america has ever been morally responsible?
I think the world would with argue that the US has never been its moral leader. Military power and economic leader maybe but moral leadership after 250 years of oppression of native Americans, systemic racism, endless wars, a population with a fetish for guns, and gross social & economic inequality. Do you seriously believe the world has ever looked to the US for moral leadership?
@@glasgirlinoz awesome answer - your talking buzzwords - whenever you hear pols talking moral , patriotism - etc someone is getting their pockets picked - the only people who have ever said America was moral leaders - were the president at the time - I might add if you say this to an American - do it carefully - the response you get can be quite drastic - i am an American and i have said it to other Americans and i am probably lucky to be alive
Governments are not moral and really never have been.
Marcus Arellius, Roman emperor, wrote about this and strive for true Morality, sans God.
@@pjpredhomme7699 If like Carol, and I, and known as often brutally honest, with the examples to back up the premise, only the unhinged fanatic has ever dared give me grief. I just state the facts. I lived in the Bible Belt during the beginning of Moral Majority, my town locked young single women up during conventions, yet every Escort service and not fully legal massage parlors were booked solid 3 weeks, before, during, after, in the 70's.
I was raised First Baptist, youngest soloist at 5 playing the piano at 8, until we moved at 11, up North to General Baptist. At 10th grade bought my own organ and would receive piano & organ players in mine & nearby towns, when needed, every denomination but Catholic.
My church would focus on a different religion/specific practice every 3 months, which had helped.
I no longer call myself evangelical. The name has been tarnished and politicised. I’m just a Christian. We need to return to Jesus and follow Him , not culture, not super star leaders.
We, you mean you and other Christians right? Because what I gather from all of the points in this interview is that there should be moral rights to not live a Christian life and tolerate that not everyone calls themselves Christians.
If you were born in India to a Hindu worshiping family...
You will find more Pease!! ..god bless.
Me too.
@@charisma-hornum-fries this has nothing to do with you or people outside the church, nor do i know how you came to that conclusion.
Imagine, Hate living comfortably in God’s church.
When you grow up hating Satan, hate and demonizing others can easily become second nature.
God never claimed to reside in a church.😉
.... yep, every Sunday sermon has it front and center.
@@hipnicity I agree with your sentiment but it was mentioned in the bible that Christians with like faith should gather together.
“.. where two or more are gathered together, there I am in the midst of them”.
Unfortunately humans are so imperfect that the minute you have more than one, there is drama.
The devil was in the church in the beginning !
Good conversation! What seems so strange to me is that the stars of the right, beginning with Trump, moving on to QAnon,
have replaced a movement based on genuine faith but with often some cult-like and irrational aspects with faith in an anti-Christ
cult leader (Trump) who is the very opposite of a Christian in all senses, but that their blind devotion to him has replaced their devotion to Christ, God, and humanity. Driven by fear and hatred, fueled by wilful ignorance, and which leads us directly towards the destruction of democracy and actual fascism. Superficially, Trump's cult has all the attributes of a religious movement, but with no religion....How could this happen?
Dominionists have an unbelievable disconnect . Every time I see a “god,guns,country” tshirt i think of how Jesus and his teachings could ever fit into that statement
So how could they ever fit into that statement?
Lisa Johnson. They couldn't.
Preach
Joseph l cringe every time I see something like this.
NO JOKE...
"We NOW need to put the Gospel first." Why not before? What have you been doing UNTIL now?
Bigger bulshitters than politicians.
Because for what I heard, it’s getting too much to handle the increasing racism and sexual abuse by part of the higher members of the congregation.
"Putting myself first."
Lulu Williams. BINGO!
He didn’t change, but many “churches” did.
This is so needed! I left church many years ago for these exact reasons.
Is anyone going to tell him Evangelicals haven't had any credibility in literal decades?
A lot of Evangelicals have become Trumpists and Trump is the very antithesis of everything taught by Christ.
Its unfortunate, but all religious affiliations should be treated as a business, taxed and held accountable for the MANY abuses over the MANY years of their existence!
If it werent for gambling, funerals, and beer tents, the catholic church would not exist.
@@MrStupidHead seriously 🤣
Agree 100%!
At around 11:25 in the video Russell Moore talks about increasing disillusionment among younger Christians.
He says that younger Christians still believe strongly in the Christian message. But they worry that the church ITSELF doesn't practice what it preaches. That reminds me of the saying from the 1960s - 'More and more people are leaving the church and going back to God!'
Interesting, because i remember the early jesus people movement which lit the fire of todays evangelical movement. It wss a revolt agaisnt the church that wanted you to cut your hair and send your ass to vietnam. Next thing, we had guitar music in the church. And jeans on sundays. But all for naught. The elders turned into fascists and picked right back up where they qere before. Liberals became scorned and guns became toys. Same as when i was a boy in 64.
@@MrStupidHead - Yes. Do you remember this, too? - "The moral majority is neither!"
"The world that Christ fought is supported by using His name." - Roy Harper.
He is deluding himself if he things that younger people are still clinging to Christianity. I teach hundreds of college student each year, and the vast majority of them were raised Christian. Overall they reject not only Church, but the tenets of their former faith. Pew polls bear it out.
@@robertwoods3873 you are teaching the "educated" ones. The thoughtful ones. But your point is still valid. To the Christian evengelicals, trump is the antichrist they have been railing about for 50 years.
@@robertwoods3873 What do you teach?
I was raised evangelical and suffer with ptsd from the utter disfunction that existed with the movement. I experienced things no child should have to go through. I'm 58 years old and still recovering from the ideology of their control. Pure evil.
I'm sorry to hear this.
The prosperity doctrine is the main failing of the evangelical movement. It’s become a movement of the money hungry at any cost.
I've been going to the same Church for over 30 years, and I have no idea what my Pastor's political views are. When we go to Church we're their to hear the word of God! I believe in my heart, that if he start to neglect why we come to Church! We would find somewhere else to fellowship
Wow, how rare these days!
Then You have NOT heard the True Word of God for over 30 years. Jesus Christ came to build a bridge between God (Himself) and Humankind. WE have not been connected with God- when WE sit in church on Sunday- and hear nothing about what The Body must be doing to help Our fellow human beings- and bring the Kingdom of God into being.
When Raphael "Cancun" Cruz gets up on the stage, as he has before an election and the pastor introduces the senator is a member of the church (but you never saw him there), then lets him pray that jesus would silence the critics (which would kinda be stomping on the 1st amendment that he swore on a bible to defend), it is very hard to believe there is a separation of religion and politics. At least Joel Osteen down the street just talks about prosperity, because money and the holy spirit go good together.
@@marilyntkeller Pastors should not be promoting their political views from the pulpit. They are there to teach God's word as written. The Holy Spirit may convict each member's heart to action.
The one person I loved was dr. Charles Stanley he spoke a message of love truth and holiness.
An evangelical church has just gifted Mike Flynn with a rifle. Mind boggling ! What kind of church of this ?!?
If they are not following CHRIST, how can they lead their believers to CHRIST ? America today, is a nation of lost sheep.
I went to buy a gun for safety as I’m single and alone. As I was pulling out of the parking lot there was a sign that read, “free Bible with purchase”.
@@chaserofthelight484
...go figure.
@@chaserofthelight484 Praise the Lord for GOD is with you (Psalm 46).
Give thanks to Him. Just focus on CHRIST and not on the battle.
JESUS CHRIST has said, "Return your sword to its place, for all who take the sword shall die by the sword." (Matthew 26:52).
I’m pretty sure they gave him an AR15 semi automatic - just what Jesus taught about loving your neighbor. Religion is a money making con.
When they gave it to him saying it was one of their finest he says, “maybe I’ll find someone in Washington DC”, that seemed to get a laugh, he had a good laugh too. Good lord, sounded like an endorsement by the people.
This brother had a difficult time getting to the heart of the matter. The reporter had to pull it out of him. Had she not done that, he would have continued to sugar-coat everything instead of being truthful about what was really happening.
Even "exposing" the hypocrisy, he used pretty religious words. His whole persona as a godly man came across as saccharine sweetness... doing good because that is what he is supposed to do, and realizing following along wasn't doing good...but he didn't lead, he quit. Truly a person of conviction. Someone who would betray with a smile and a quick hug rather than kiss and silver.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Wow!
I think he still isn't being truthful, dodging questions
He is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He is a part of the kabal! Is okay with abortion and believes that Muslims are his brothers and sisters in christ.
He also signed the southern Baptist convention onto a lawsuit fighting for a Muslim mosc against New Jersey, because of zoning.
He wrote the most disrespectful, untruthful things every week in the Washington post about Donald Trump and what he wrote was lies.
I can hardly listen to him, this man is evil.
So obvious.
Jesus turned the tables on the church…the church turned on Jesus…that is in the Bible. Good for this Pastor who has seen past his veil and is willing to hear truth from others who are no-religious! The Beatles said it best, “All We Need Is Love”
Interviewer has patience
Patience of Job.
Yes! And he's pretty darn easy with whom to be patient, as well.
@@dollymadison2397?
He never answers the questions.
@@dollymadison2397 He's easy on your eyes Ms. Dolly?
As a secular American humanist, who supports and defends everyone's right to believe in whatever they choose for themselves, free from discrimination, I find myself in agreement with most of what Russell is saying. But I do take issue with his statement that secularists paint church leaders with a broad brush. We, in fact, can differentiate between those church leaders who are promoting common sense health advice from those who ignore common sense in exchange for unnecessary proselytizing.
What Russell More seems to forget is it isn't a 'broad brush' but a huge canvas of hypocrisy with American Evangelicals. When they defend those who are destroying America because they 'claim' to be 'Christian' he is the canvas.
when did you last read The Humanist Manufesto? or do you Self-Aggrandize and Self-Canonize?
Larry - UK humanist here, but the manifesto sum up is hard to better:
" The responsibility for our lives and the kind of world in which we live is ours and ours alone"
@@willdon.1279 thanks for input, m/m Don. the thread began with a fellow colonial who appeared to co- opt a term as His Title. in our system such public self-promotion is, in some circles, vehemently held to zealous analysis and/or scrutiny. as such,
thissoul was impelled to request permit by Brainwash.
whereas the addressee of said request, supra, has yet to be heard (on the request Tabled ) suffice one to wait…
would you like some ice water, while you are waited upon???
@@willdon.1279 there is a book entitled, The Humanist Manifesto. some schools of thought hold that using the word Humanist as a selfTitle is plagiaristic.
I commend him for just being open and honest and keeping a level head. This IS happening with all religions, not just his.
Thank You FATHER!
The LORD JESUS CHRIST did not come to establish any religion.
He came to bring those of us who accept His Truth into a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with The LORD GOD as Our FATHER and Only Teacher - Matthew 23:8-10.
@@karikling7268 anyone who reads scripture should already know, that it is not through scripture that "religions" are formed but beliefs. For example, "Jew" the one "for sure" in the bible is a way of life, not a "religion". The forming of "religions" is based on MANS interpretation of scripture and not really based on what God said in scripture. God is revealing through the scripture and Jesus is confirming in New Testament, the way or spirit in which He wants us to operate. The Big Sermon is a perfect example of how He wants us to practice faith, belief, hope, wisdom all these things are spiritual and nothing tangible. Spirit building. Not descriminating against any spiritual belief, like Hindu or Buddhism even. He hears their prayers, He knows if they are with Him. He revealed that in early old testament.
When religious books are deemed more important than humans, humans end up suffering.
if you mean the Bible, the apostles were specific about how in Jesus there is no this race or that but rather all equal
Can't help but notice in the evangelical, Baptist, Pentecostal so called ministry how shameful many pastors have been by pushing politics when there should always be separation of church and state (shame on all of them), these clearly are manmade religions with unGod like ideas, patriarchy in it's lowest form. We are all spiritual beings having a human experience, follow the Golden Rule "Do Unto Others as You Would have them Do Unto You". The foundation of most religions is solid, it becomes a huge problem with the interpretation.
First of all.. Separation of church and state was designed to protect the church from the state..Not the other way around..
Secondly.. True Christianity is not a religion.. It's a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.. God's son..
@@betsyowers2835 separation of church n state is too protect the people from the power of the church. Truth. I dont know what your talking about, that makes 2 of us
@@betsyowers2835 it's a patriarchal farce, made to manipulate the masses! For those who individually follow the basics of decency, compassion and faith I am glad they have found what will carry them through this life cycle, for those who use it to judge others, think they are So holy when they disregard any form of decency towards those they don't even know,think they are better because they believe in this patriarchy of manipulation...Sad!! As for Jesus, my heart aches for him every time he is used in the form of manipulation for profit and power. We have nothing Jesus has written, everything is hundreds of years after he went home, and it's all written by men, (ever play telephone/gossip?) it's all tall tales bent in that so called profits belief system. Peace!
Separation of church and state is something evangelicals have proven to have had as a convenience when they say: " We need to go back to the values of our founding fathers." The dog wistle for returning to a time when those founding fathers held slaves, and that was a huge portion of them. If I hadn't had such a close interaction with them over the years, those sayings would have gone right over my head.
@@jamesjones9250 yep. They conveniently leave out the" in order to form a more perfect union part" to them their religion is under attack when freedom is given to others , seriously sad
There are two churches who were in the SBC, they decided to welcome gays into their church, the SBC kicked them out.
There are more gays in the evangelical closet than you could ever imagine!
@@tomrogers9467 there have always been gays in the church, the police, the military. But as long as they scream anti gay messages, they are fine. In fact the loudest, are the biggest.
There is a misleading shred of truth in what you wrote. Did they censure Russell Moore because of his stance on homosexuality?
@@strongcloud28 if I can find the information you’d can, I know it’s dirty words but “research research research”. It’s amazing how much knowledge is contained within the walls of that amazing socialist building called a library.
@@chaserofthelight484 keep being brilliant! Great response
Kudos to Michel for excellent questions. She was able to get to the heart of the matter.
Michelle Martin, you ask the questions everyone wants to know in a concise and respectful fashion. What a blessing you are to the world.
Politics infiltrated the church instead of the other way around.
It's called "The Babylonian Captivity of the Church." NAZI Germany used it.
I live in a secular country where state and church is strongly connected with each other. It’s even in our constitution. The state church is Governed by the state just like all other departments in the government and it assures that the state church is democratized in a way that makes it possible to live as a Christian the same as living atheist or Muslim or Hindu etc. No religion is above any other or nonbelievers. It also assures that church members are protected from discrimination. It’s a good solution that doesn’t offend people here and whoever you are that’s all just fine.
@@charisma-hornum-fries wonderful. Our churches here are dependent on the top 10% who only want to hear that they deserve gods grace and the rest of us can go to the devil. Maybe not in so many words but that is the subtext specially in our politics.
Wish this man could sit down with"woman of God"Kayleigh mcenany the mother of "baby Blake"and ask her to explain birtherism with Obama and how that is compatible with her Bible????????😠😠😠
Yeah, the liar who always wears a cross!
Huh? No ideal what your attempting to say
She's irrelevant.
You sound like someone on heavy duty drugs. 🤔🤔🤔🧐🧐🧐
Obama was a phony. The birther thing is true rand Trump was tight...again.
You can’t love God buy hate his creations. Period end of story.
🙌🙌🙌
I’d love to say I agreed with that but the Bible is chock full of god murdering people who didn’t agree with him or Israel. As beautiful and amazing as the Bible is in many places it’s almost like god went out of his way to confuse his own message by reminding us of how violent he is
Truth!
But the point was "love God".
@@Moriningland Because evil mustn't be punished because evil is subjective?
Love one another. Without love there is no lasting peace. Plain and simple. Live this truth and you wont need a church.
That message is so anti-evangelical. Love it.
Michel Martin is a saint of an interviewer 🙏🏻
Yep.
A saint? Really? I don't think so.
@@RiaSwiftHealing a "saint of an interviewer" is a metaphor for a good interviewer, not an actual saint. It's the same as someone saying that gal is a hot tomato, or that guy is a real peach. It doesn't mean those people are actually fruit or vegetables.
Sometimes things that should be obvious to all are not obvious enough for some.
a demon in disguise!
She did amazing. He was good at dodging but she kept bringing it back.
This man is "talking out of both sides of his mouth ". Malcolm X said it well when he say "The most segregated hour in this country is high noon on Sunday".
And no, this is the majority of White Evangelicals in this country.
FACTS
Truth!
Mark 8:18 “Having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear?' And do you not remember?” Go deeper.
Listen up, little girl. Lookup the word "discernment". This my is in denial of the blatant racism in the White Evangelical Moment in this country.
Malcom X did not say that, it was Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King. And he was saying it more matter-of-factly or tragically rather than as an attack.
As a girl who grew up in WASP church, I moved away from that as an adult, I currently attended a Church of forgiveness, a multiracial church with leaders of every shade. My saviour hung out with the underlings in society. After 911, both my husband and myself told our Muslim neighbours that if they ever felt threatened by neighbours, they had a safe harbour with us. No one in my world is beneath my family. We are social justice focused and Gospel focused. My kids had friends of every shade of the rainbow,including, many rainbows 🌈 . Jesus did not exclude, he included. BTW, my husband and I are both WASPS, are children are not, they are Canadians, their race, not our own, is no issue in their worlds. Compassion is what they grew up with, and it is what they live you.
I love the idea of a true church void of denominational divides. I pray for his success of providing a place where true worshippers can freely congregate and fellowship together. The power of God will abide heavily in their midst.
The Bible is the problem, read it front to back like a novel and you'll see what I mean. It'll tell you to do one thing in one part of the Bible then tell you the opposite somewhere else, it's like that all over the Bible. There are hundreds of contradictions, that's why there are so many interpretations and denominations. The God of Abraham is a multi institutionalized myth predicated on the gullibility of faith. Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
Look at the church around the world fastest growth iran second growth was Afghanistan pre Taliban china about 100 million Christians.
This man was cowardly attacked by the church just because he told the truth.
This is what happens to people who speak the truth in Trump’s ecosystem.
Based on biblical history its situation normal do you not think? If Christ himself faced this Pastors who speak truthfully will certainly face rejection.
This guy is a fraud.
@@jamesirvin7799 A fraud is someone who is not what he claims to be. I see nothing but honesty here.
@@FallenAngelBrass Until he turns in the guys who threatened him I will consider him a Jussie Smollett hoax and liar.
The SBC is integrated and has a black vice president.
Everyone wants healing from American slavery, racism, and Jim Crow.
The battle is over contrary Marxist doctrine of conflict theory and CRT.
He's on PBS pumping the DNC narratives showing NO proof.
I'm a nurse and there is dispute amongst healthcare workers on the virus issues. This confusion comes from Fauci and hypocrites who don't follow their own rules.
It looks like humility. Man is very puffed up and self serving these days. Being humble is the last thing they display. Humility is one of the treasured attributes of a true Christian
I don't think there is such a thing as a true christian. I don't know any who are humble. It's ego driven and stinks of religious bigotry, at best.
@@RiaSwiftHealing to bad you think that way. Life is a struggle and we have to work hard each day to overcome the desires of selfishness. When we recognize it in ourselves we need to pray and ask God to help us overcome it. That is if one believes in God and put faith in him. God bless you
You have to add women in that statement as well. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
2 Timothy 3:1-5 ESV
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.
This guy doesn't know the meaning of humility. The difference between him and the rest of us is we didn't get in front of people, speaking the word of God, and then turn a blind eye to racism for 99% of our lives. He thinks simply acting right somehow makes him worthy of whatever. Forgive them, for they know not what they do.
He is on TV because his words were leaked. He is a "leader" who quit. All the flowery words will not get the SBC stench off of him.
A very zealous member of the Southern Baptist Convention drove with her pastor’s church group’s bus trip to protest the legal certification of the U.S. President. Fundamentalist Christian church leaders are major players in Conservative politics in this regard. This pastor cannot deny that fact when he expresses his very logical and admirable viewpoints.
This "leader" quit. He was part of the problem, until the stink got out of the SBC barn.
One of the most important, interesting, Intelligent Articulate Professional Discourse on this important matter. Congratulations Pastor, you are I believe, the way forward for Christians. Most refreshing to hear your views, sir, you are spot on. I am an Apostate, I believe your account may become a turning point. Well done sir. Cheers from Michael. Australia.
I found this very refreshing as well, and I am a Christian. I became outraged when a well-known pastor here in Southern California actually said that only true Christians can vote for the man Trump. I became even more dismayed when I learned that several folks in my church did vote for the man Trump solely because he said the right words. I have watched with horror when I’ve seen men who call themselves pastors scream to their church members to not wear masks and to not get vaccinated. I have been appalled, and continue to be appalled, when I have learned several men who call themselves pastors were among those who breached the U.S. Capitol on January 6th. Yet, Michael, Christ calls me to pray for them, to pray the Lord will change their hearts, and to pray He will change my heart. It hurts me to see these examples of outrageous and sinful behavior from those who say they are Christian, and others, such as yourself, would be right to ask if they are truly Christian at all. The Lord Jesus came and caused a revolution among the Jews and non-Jews of His time. Mostly, if you do read the Gospel accounts, they were jealous of Jesus, and had murderous intent against Him. Down through the ages, nothing has changed, when a dedicated and devoted few go up against the established religion of the day. As for myself, I returned books I had received from that pastor I mentioned earlier, and I included a long letter letting him know, very respectfully, why I was doing so. I must say Michael, that I did keep two bibles which had been very helpful to me over the years to help me understand difficult passages. I’m saddened by all that’s going on in American churches, I pray the Lord will change many hearts, that many who call themselves Christian will truly embody it, and that many will repent from this type of evil divisiveness. If you ever get a chance e to read any of the Old Testament, you will see how many times the Israelites sinned against the Lord, and He, speaking through the prophets, bared His heart and expressed how much their actions hurt Him. It’s heartbreaking. Sorry for rambling for so long, I just wanted to share with you how distressing all this has been. Ultimately, though, I trust the Lord is in complete control, He loves us all, including the one who is far from Him, and wants us all to enjoy Him forever. In the meantime, we all have some serious decisions to make, which way we will follow, I am including myself. Greetings to you, and if I may say, may God richly bless you.
@@trinidad2450 Thankyou my friend, for letting us know the tide may be turning, good Christian values will win out over time. 😀 Cheers from Michael. Australia.
@@michaeljohn7398 I so appreciate the spirit with which my reply to you was received. How refreshing to be able to share deeply-distressing thoughts about what’s happening in many American churches and not be ridiculed or condemned. My dear husband shares these same concerns as I do about the state of many of our churches. When we stray from the purity and simplicity of the Gospel, we get what we’re seeing now happening across this country. I will keep praying that the Lord open many eyes and hearts and turn back to Him. It’s now 7:20 a.m. over here in Southern California.
I saw with my own eyes the SBC try to nominate trump in 2016. Plus not a woman in the room. But the church is supposed to be not political.
The church should take a stand about abortion...no matter the denomination...catholics are leading the charge
@@lolawalsh9187 ?
Michel Martin, I appreciate your masterful skills and content knowledge which made for a truly insightful interview. Thank you!
Excellent interview patient and persistent and more honest response than I've ever heard before
I don't believe a word this guy says. His group's "movement" has done so much damage with their hatred, lies, bigotry, and abuse of others that they have lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned.
Well, he did show great leadership by quitting. And his confidential internal letter of dirty laundry got leaked so the nastiness got exposed. So, that's "good" right ? The stink got out of the SBC barn before the door hit his behind...now he's on TV pretending he smells like a rose.
What happens between meetings happens in the homes of these “Christians”. Exercise of dominion over women. It’s been a terrible blight against Christ and the teachings of scripture. All under the name of religion. It’s terrible. I am a pastor and I abhor this behavior
I was raised in a strict Baptist home. It has ruined my life!
I cannot, for the life of me, understand how anyone could be a pastor or having anything to do with the ridiculousness of christianity. Christianity has reaped more harm on the world than just about any other organization.
@@RiaSwiftHealing If you look at the history of humanity, the majority of deadly events have been caused by religious differences. The Crusades, The English wars, The Holocaust, (while not a war in itself was still an attack on Judaism and it’s people) and the Islamic wars in the middle east.
To me, what Russell Moore is doing is a sign of hope. When we see intolerance or repression in America, resistance usually follows. Somewhere, people pop up and declare themselves freedom lovers. We're a tolerant society. The majority has to mobilize and take it all back. Not just some institutions, but all of it. Everything we've lost has to be restored to some likeness of The Land Of The Free.
I don't know what part of America you live in but I would say we are anything BUT tolerant. WE are THE most intolerant society. We never were free. Have you read the constitution? Women are still not considered equal under the constitution.
If there was no religion, societies today would be so much more advanced not only in technology, but also socially when it comes to understanding and acceptance of each other. Sad it's holding us back. Religion is a firewall against advancements in every way.
It’s pretty sad because there’s almost. Irving good that comes from religion. Even the charity they do is basically designed to just make you dependent on them
"God loves you. He is all powerful, all perfect, all knowing, and all wise. But he needs MONEY!..."George Carlin
One of my favorites from Mr. Carlin. I sure do miss him.
God it's not that he needs the money.... it's the fake Christian radio so they can keep supporting the pornographer in Chief and the proud boys
@@luismata6904 That's why it its so funny then and now.
Lights
Camera
Silence on the set
Tape rolling
Three, two, one, action!
Welcome to the Church of Suicidal
We'll have a sermon and a wonderful recital
But before we go on there's something I must mention
An important message I must bring to your attention
I was in meditation and prayer last night
I was awakened by a shining bright light
Overhead a glorious spirit
He gave me a message and you all need to hear it
Send me your money
That's what he said, he said to
Send me your money
Now if you can only send a dollar or two
There ain't a hell of a lot I can promise to you
But if you wants to see heaven's door
Make out a check for five million dollars or more
Send me your money
Do you hear what I said?
Send me your money
Now give me some bass
Ooh, yeah, that's how we like it
Now let's have some silence
For all you sinners
Now give me some bass
Yeah, that was funky
Now take them on home Brother Clark
Send me your money
Here comes another con hiding behind a collar
His only god is the almighty dollar
He ain't no prophet, he ain't no healer
He's just a two bit goddamn money stealer
Send it, you gotta send it
Send me your money
You hear what I'm saying?
You gotta send it (send me your money)
Send it, send me your money
Now how much you give is your own choice
But to me it is the difference between a Porsche and a Rolls Royce
I want you to make it hurt when you dig into your pocket
'Cause it makes me feel so good to watch my profits rocket
Now dig in deep, dig real deep into your pocket
I want you to make it hurt
(Send me your money)
We'll take cash, we'll take checks
We'll take credit cards, we'll take jewelry
We'll take your momma's dentures if they got gold in them
So who's gonna be the next king of the fakers?
Who's gonna take the place of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker?
See my mama, she didn't raise no fool
'Cause you can't put a price on a miracle
Amen
With Evangelicals, God and money goes together like bread and butter.
The gospel says love one another. It says gather together and uplift eachother with the word. Nothing else.
Instead they're driven by politics.
Did you add
The " nothing else"?
Its the story of mankind. Will you love God or will you love Power? Every one must choose.
Best comment on his thread. Thank you!
they want power over other people. that is the problem.
@@Plethorality - When people say things like, "God chose me" they hide behind an imaginary force. This is dishonest. I will always beware the self deceivers.
@@rightround1940 that is an important thing to be aware of, both in others, and in ourselves. it can definitely be a deception and or manipulation. i am no atheist, but was surrounded at times, by people who were big into "God told me", without them explaining how, it seemed mostly their own thoughts in their head, that they were too co dependent tp own, or at least to examine.
then they would forget the last thing they told me that God had told them, and said that He said the complete opposite! .. the lack of insight was scary. if i confronted them, reminding, then they were offended!! some people bully and gaslight themselves!!! yes, self deception is something to be aware of, definitely...
then there are those who had a "God told me" and things worked out... but they were more like, stoppinh a car before driving onto a bridge about to collapse that they didnt know was.. or to help out someone who really needed it at the time....
as fot being chosen, well, we are all important to God, and all meant to love each other and be loved... which is not about grabbing power over another.
long rave... but ypu triggered some memories, there! ; )
Great that finally someone is addressing this!!!! Criminals acting like saints just because it helps them get away with their crimes.
The evangelicals need to have a come to Jesus moment
Michael Michael Michael.....BOOM TRUTH BOMB.....you went there tellinng the TRUTH & SHAMING THE DEVIL
I stumbled onto this interview. I never heard of either of these people, but I have learned great respect for each of them during this CZcams.
You can hear Michelle Martin regularly on NPR news programs
This "leader "quit. And the stink of the evangelicals got out of the SBC barn before the door hit his behind...now he's on TV pretending he smells like a rose. He wouldn't have made the news if some nasty person hadn't leaked the letter hoping to actually make HIM look bad.
A very interesting interview. This man thought his way out of leadership positions in the Southern Baptist Convention. It probably won't be too long before he thinks himself all the way out of the SBC altogether. The SBC just will not in the end accept him but he'll have to discover that on his own.
And if he’s smart he’ll think his way out of Christianity altogether!
Yes, they are exactly like the RepubliCon Party, disagree with our belief in any way, and we will destroy you, your family and anything that you care about! It's a Cult!
Grant Smythe. How dare him do any thinking. He got results. How dare him.
We all have to peel layers off like the layers of an onion as we rewire our brains from the manipulation with twisted scriptures.
I’m not so sure I think there is a percentage of Evangelists who feel like he does but are intimidated by the others who are very aggressive about having their reality dominate. I think he will establish a group of those likeminded eventually and I wish him the best in whatever he decides to do.
Dude was fine leading a deeply racist and problematic movement for years and years but decided to quit when he was getting too much publicity. Less than zero sympathy from me.
People change.
@@jm-je4tl they certainly do, once they've made themselves rich and written a book about how terribly sorry they are.
@@nicksangiacomo3366 Bingo !! Now he is on "TV" trying to say he smells like a rose after all the stench of the SBC barn he was in has been exposed. Great leader, quitting.
He's talking in circles and not answering the questions.
I KNOW RIGHT????
Finally, one of Its own admitting to evangelicals racism. Why are they racist towards the race that gave them their religion?
@@Browne7100 are they christians then?
I'm tired of the sense of entitlement of so many Christians.
The good ones are empathetic and helpful. Others demand superiority in exchange.
Silky statement. Try clarifying the "superiority" comment.
Julie Darnell here, using my husband’s site. God bless this man who is really living the teachings of Christ; and is bravely doing it in the middle of his particular religion. This takes great courage and Faith, and inner examination. Respect.
Richard Eklund - I know this name from the 1950s. I wonder....
Excellent Interview. Thank you.
Isn’t “in-between the meetings” the same as Sunday morning Christians?
At these large conventions they have key speakers and various committee meetings. People break out of meetings and chat ‘in between’ meetings.
Just another way of saying they pay lip service during the convention
Gloria Pope. Isn't that the norm for any convention? What's wrong with people meeting & talking in between speakers? Besides, she meant church services.
@@gdpope52 “In between meetings” is referring to yearly conventions. He said at the yearly conventions, they express very strong passion for supporting the gospel’s ideals, tolerance, calling out sex abuse,etc. It’s between these conventions, i.e., during the course of the year, in their everyday lives, they don’t practice what they preach. Judy is rightly relating this to sunday morning Christians, who are holy and righteous during the service onSunday, but catch them living anything but from Monday throughSaturday night.
He is being disingenuous. He is saying that bad pastors are the minority, but I think that's wrong. If the good pastors are the majority, how come Trump got overwhelming supports for Evangelicals and evangelical leaders. You cannot be a good pastor or Christian, and say Trump is my guy
Jesus prayed to God in John 17 and said his people would be no part of the world just as he was no part of the world. This is the real reason why his followers would be hated. Taking a political position makes you and them unchristian.
@@winstongrettum3412 Sorry, there's no such thing as an apolitical christian, and even if there were, it's still immoral to be silent when things are really bad just so you could be your imaginary idea of a good apolitical christian
@@Davao420 It is possible to be apolitical.actually, all the early Christians left the military and political positions until the Catholic Church was formed under Constantine. He not only made the Church part of the world, but it became the world in total opposition to Jesus Christ. James disqualified all who claimed to be Christians but became spotted by the world. James 1 :26, 27. Are you tarnished by politics?
@@winstongrettum3412 that's your argument? There's no logic to that, and it's not even connected to the issue at hand
@@Davao420 How do you justify the politicizing of religion allowing abuse of those who do not agree with your religion. Religion and politics when mixed can be found to be the main source of war throughout history and still happens today. You did not acknowledge what scriptures I quoted.
Wow - he said "Culture taking any Religion captive." - and that is what has happened, which has moved it away from the worship and following of Christ to bald, white nationalism. I am sorry that he has been threatened and harrssed by other "Christians".
Sharia christians doing their thing at SBC. If quitting is leadership, he sure showed them. If only the former president could do the same..but then he is a different type of christian.
Why did Lauren Boebert lead a late-night Capitol tour three weeks before Jan. 6?
Salon , August 04, 2021
No Evangelical church I have been a part of all of my 72 years, and that has been a number of churches, has ever had a politician to speak or discussed politics at all, other than it is our duty to obey government unless something is directly against the word of God. We prayed for those in power, no matter which party. I have never heard a pastor say from a pulpit who anyone should vote for. Many SBC churches, including the one I attend now, are welcoming to all of any race. Yes, we need to continue to improve in some areas, but it’s not fair to lump all together.
--- Are you saying your evangelical church is NOT a Trump supporter and a Republican party supporter?
VAIO294 No church I have attended has ever pushed any candidate, local or national. Individual people vote as they choose.
@@ruthjensen6655 --- Well, "evangelical" churches have become well-known for being nothing but racist political cults and worshipers of Donald Trump. -- I think you're in denial (or flat out lying) about the political positioning of your own evangelical church.
The Xtian Taliban is a perfect representation of what the Bible teaches. "Slaves obey your masters....", "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." They think they are the right hand of some god that speaks to them and only them. And their narcissism shows.
They think what Paul wrote in the context of his time and culture also applies to ours.
It's also pretty interesting how Paul "contradicts" himself when he compliments female Church leaders in other letters...
Have you seen this presentation from a Rabbi that blows these misconceptions out of the water? Basically the bibles words towards women are not what were originally written, and therefore a sin against Gods daughters
czcams.com/video/CwQpUwrMlXE/video.html
@@whiteeaglewarrior we'll just add that to the pile of interpretations. Of course if a god really existed, no book or interpretations would be necessary. It could just impart everyone with the knowledge of its existence and game plan. But yet here we are, 10,000 (and counting) versions later.
@@psyphi407 I was just having this exact discussion the other day.
Obviously, they have never met a hard headed Black woman. They say the Bible, Koran and Torah were inspired by GOD was not written by GOD. I think men put exactly what they wanted in these text concerning women.
Michelle Martin. Such a good interviewer.
This issue. So important. I am a Christian. I struggle with my membership in a SBC congregation ALL THE TIME. I experience so much hypocrisy and racism and out-and-out Privilege within the membership. It is hard.
I am so proud of this pastor for submitting his resignation because of these perpetrators of hate.
His fork tongue is showing 😒. He will not say George Floyd’s name. “Bless his heart.”
☝🏽🎅🏽 🤭
This man is too calm!!! He should be outraged!!!
This leader, who quit, had a leaked private letter release the stink that came from the SBC barn, as the door hit his behind as he left. Now he is on "TV" trying to say he smells like a rose. He is as genuine as the wine he drinks at "the lord's table".
Thank you Mr. Moore for speaking up and trying to create positive change. This is not just an evangelical issue
It's amazing how so many Americans still believe in the mythologies of yesteryear. Our public education system has failed miserably (probably because many public teachers are themselves very religious, especially in the South and rural areas).
They do say that the most dangerous time for a child is between 3pm and 5pm when the parents are at work and the children are in the care of a caregiver. We say stranger danger, that’s bad enough, but the largest percentage of sexual abuse is from someone you know and trust your child around.
Statically, SEXUAL ABUSE IS MOST COMMON by Stepfathers/Mom's Boyfriend, then by father's, then uncles/cousins/older brothers. Clergy, coaches, teachers are LESS frequent than family members.
Sexual abuse by clergy damages the relationship of the victim to God, religious communities and religion.
@@christal2641 heartbreaking.
So refreshing to hear a sane normal educated Christian man speak so eloquently.
Special thanks to you for your discussion with the pastor. This meant a lot. Great dialogue for right now.
God's shaking everything right now. He's separating the wheat from the tares. A great awakening is upon the earth. TRUST HIM, He knows what He's doing. His Kingdom is coming and His will WILL be done. Maybe not the way a lot of religious people think. Remember, His ways aren't our ways. Buckle up, He's moving!
Great interviewer! Good job standing against immorality, regardless of small differences in faith!
I've called myself a Christian all my life but last year when I found myself on the opposite side of Evangelicals, it threw me for a REAL loop. There's a lot that they teach that I don't agree with but I really think this guy is on the right track.
Get your word from the Word. Not from man. Religions all FALL SHORT ... Jesus says all that needs saying. No COMPROMISE. I trust no man. "...put your trust in no man for he will always let you down but put your trust in God for he will never let you down..."
I'm an ex-Southern Baptist. This gentleman has been a lone voice of faith with integrity in the denomination for years. I have a great deal of respect for him despite our theological differences. It wouldn't surprise me if he were to be forced out of the denomination altogether at some point. I'm actually surprised it hasn't happened already.
Thank you for this thoughtful interview.
Thousands of Religions in the world and they all 'believe': Only They are the True Chosen Ones. They are not ready 'To Know' the truth and would deny it anyways.
@Scott Johnson
Still a bunch of believers though. That's OK, they can't help themselves. I'll wait.
I've heard so many people say, "But that's not Christianity..." But if you asked an SBC member they would give you a version of Christianity that they believe in heart and soul. So who is right? When the Crusaders took Jerusalem they slaughtered all the inhabitants. But they were true believers. And you yourself, Mr Nobody, insinuated that you know "the truth."
@@gregwhite8832 true christianity is to love doing right show kindness and love and walk humbly with God through christ. Showing compassion yet hating evil. Example you hate the heroin but show compassion to the addict.