Christopher Hitchens and Martin Amis - No Laughing Matter [2007] [WITH VIDEO]

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  • čas přidán 10. 11. 2012
  • February 1, 2007 at intelligence²
    Martin Amis discussed the mild anti-semitism of his own father, and gave his thoughts on Israel. He read from Saul Bellow's book on Israel, and suggests that there is a great deal of anxiety among Jews about the future of Israel.
    Christopher Hitchens, who only discovered he was Jewish in 1989, talked about the place of Judaism in history: about Voltaire, suspicion, Israel, and the Jewish diaspora.
    Martin Amis then discussed the Jewish concept of manhood, before going on to contemplate the effect of 9/11 on the Jewish community.
    Hitchens then touched on some moments that betray a prejudice against Jews that still lingers even after the Holocaust, including the claims made in America in 1989 that Jewish doctors were deliberately injecting black babies with Aids. He suggest that pejudice against Jews is different from other kinds, because it takes a pseudo-intellectual, as opposed to superficial and ignorant form.
    Amis then seeked to define the actual concept of anti-semitism, before Hitchens considered the perception of Jews as masters of finance.
    All credit to: old.intelligencesquared.com/ta...

Komentáře • 411

  • @danilaangileri5099
    @danilaangileri5099 Před 5 lety +19

    Looking at him today, in this video, smoking, and drinking I get a clear idea of his weaknesses. I wish he was here with us TODAY, I don't know if his habits were the real cause of his passing. We lost an important person in our humanity and it's hard to accept it. I recently discovered him and I've been watching tons of his videos and literally changed my perspective about life. I miss you and I wish you were here Christopher.

    • @BadMannerKorea
      @BadMannerKorea Před 2 měsíci

      His weaknesses were also his strengths. He said he knew the risks he was taking, and it helped his concentration, stopped him from being bored, and stopped other people being boring. He said he couldn't even picture a life without those.

  • @evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879

    Watching Hitchens enjoy the jokes and company of another....it's a great thing.

  • @WKRPinCINN
    @WKRPinCINN Před 8 měsíci +3

    I have never seen Hitchens smile as much in any video I've watched before.

  • @wearemany73
    @wearemany73 Před rokem +5

    Thx for posting this content 😊

  • @AndrewFeinberg1
    @AndrewFeinberg1 Před 10 lety +8

    This video is very important. Thank you for uploading it.

  • @williameis
    @williameis Před 11 lety +3

    thanks for posting- made my day.

  • @hughjorgan7211
    @hughjorgan7211 Před 10 lety +80

    For fans, after brief and entertaining opening remarks, Hitchens doesn't speak again until around 18:00. By then, he was a quarter through his glass of scotch..and the rest is more Hitchens gold. He is missed and was, as many said, one of the best orators/speakers/debaters of our time...

    • @delaineyjenkins4141
      @delaineyjenkins4141 Před 7 lety +1

      hugh jorgan thank you 😃

    • @sherlockholmeslives.1605
      @sherlockholmeslives.1605 Před 6 lety +1

      Does he have to fucking cough all the way through this!
      I can't hear myself think!

    • @jwhipple5567
      @jwhipple5567 Před 5 lety +1

      take this advice. I ignored it and listened to the whole thing... It really is a rambling 18 min of some guy reading stuff and talking about his family and some overly artistic self-congratulatory analysis of Israel and Judaism in general. If you're anything like me, you won't find anything of real intellectual value that you can take home with you until Hitchens starts to speak at 18:00, unless you just know nothing about Israel or it's people.

    • @weefeatures
      @weefeatures Před 5 lety +7

      @@jwhipple5567 That 'some guy' is Martin Amis, Hitchens' absolute best friend, a man who has influenced Hitchens politically and literarily. If Hitchens sees value in him, I'm sure others will.

    • @enemywithin1295
      @enemywithin1295 Před 5 lety +3

      @@weefeatures Hitchens once said Amis was the only blonde he's ever loved

  • @zivaray
    @zivaray Před 11 lety +1

    yeah! Thanks for posting.

  • @tfn105
    @tfn105 Před 11 lety +10

    It's a wonderful way for Amis to nod at Hitch without even the remotest sense of embarrassment. I would say it's classy but really it's the sort of interaction that can only be cultivated through a good friendship. A stranger wouldn't pick up on the cue.

  • @JimmytoBj
    @JimmytoBj Před 10 lety +5

    Great stuff, thanks johnny

  • @jcig3950
    @jcig3950 Před 8 lety +87

    Someone said that was an Israeli flag on Hitchens lapel. It's actually the flag of the PUK for his support of the Kurdish people

  • @Sagaciousish
    @Sagaciousish Před 8 lety +9

    Thank you, Hitch

  • @JohnColapinto
    @JohnColapinto Před 7 lety +7

    CH (under his breath in private joke to Amis): "Unless it's a winch..." Amis laughs. Nice glimpse into their private relationship and shared sense of humor.

  • @UtopiaMinor666
    @UtopiaMinor666 Před 11 lety +12

    What i find so interesting as that Hitchens is a very cogent writer, by far one of the best, but he has always looked up to Amis as "the better." I could certainly agree with him, but i always find when hitch would say that as though he's selling himself way too short. Amis may be better, but hitchens is more charismatic; They are the Paul and John of Literary matters, perhaps adding with all due respect; Mcewan the philosophical George, and Rushdie the Fanciful Ringo.

  • @sammaxwell8362
    @sammaxwell8362 Před 9 lety +21

    "But, but, as Chekhov says: 'when there's a fucking great revolver on the mantelpiece in the first act, it'll be fired be act three. '" - The Hitch 1:00:57

    • @leomiller2291
      @leomiller2291 Před 3 lety +2

      How does Hitchens know so many quotes from so many writers. Jeez.

  • @yyjpyy
    @yyjpyy Před 11 lety +1

    What a sober, down to earth view on the subject.

  • @ErianTrotland
    @ErianTrotland Před 11 lety +1

    Amazing.

  • @oliverlovesgorts
    @oliverlovesgorts Před 11 lety +6

    What a beautiful duo!

  • @mariuscheek
    @mariuscheek Před 10 lety +4

    The discussion is open on this, as to whether Judaism is a religion, a culture or a nation. In my experience (my grandfather was Jewish) there is definitely a culture and there is definitely a sense of solidarity. I know many Jewish families for whom the religion falls way behind in their priorities - the most important thing is to pass on the ways that other peoples will try to stiff you over. I'm an atheist (even antitheist!) but I say I'm part Swedish, English, Welsh, Latvian and Jewish.

  • @AdamSmith-kl1rs
    @AdamSmith-kl1rs Před 8 lety +37

    Never seen someone make Hitchens laugh like that

    • @theflyingotis3797
      @theflyingotis3797 Před 7 lety +4

      i was thinking EXACTLY the same thing!!!!! but they were good friends in real life.

    • @ckyisyourfuture
      @ckyisyourfuture Před 7 lety +1

      amis is amazing and well worth a bit more looking into if you haven't already

    • @gazriley624
      @gazriley624 Před 6 lety

      why did hitch always stifle his laugh

    • @JordanRose88
      @JordanRose88 Před 4 lety

      Douglas Wilson did in the doc they made together, laughing about an old comedy or film.

  • @antidy
    @antidy Před 8 měsíci

    Two masters of the English language. Smoking and drinking on stage and still delivering a beautifully crafted and intelligent argument. Chapeau ❤

  • @Windhorse_Mcghee
    @Windhorse_Mcghee Před 11 lety

    Thanks Gonzotabb

  • @channelfogg6629
    @channelfogg6629 Před 3 lety +4

    Seeing a couple of intelligent mates natter is a great thing. Like eavesdropping in a pub.

  • @Here0s0Johnny
    @Here0s0Johnny  Před 11 lety +1

    impressive!

  • @jsuglia
    @jsuglia Před 11 lety +3

    No, the citation comes from a book by Kingsley Amis called THE KING'S ENGLISH. I highly recommend this text.

  • @theflyingotis3797
    @theflyingotis3797 Před 7 lety +9

    this glitch in the beginning of the video almost gave me a me a seizure. lol

  • @UnOxonien
    @UnOxonien Před 10 lety

    Price paid.

  • @Guedingen
    @Guedingen Před 7 lety +1

    As Hitch says, in another context: 'magnetizing'. Many thanks.

  • @contactkeithstack
    @contactkeithstack Před 7 lety +13

    it's hard to see hitch with that cough

  • @mariuscheek
    @mariuscheek Před 10 lety +7

    I recommend Martin Amis's brilliant book on Stalin - Koba the Dread.

  • @ShamelessHorse
    @ShamelessHorse Před 10 lety +1

    Is everyone getting the video flickering?

  • @israelturner4488
    @israelturner4488 Před 8 lety +13

    the best way to watch hitch is buy a bottle of johnnie walker black and sit in awe.

  • @MrThatmeanguy1995
    @MrThatmeanguy1995 Před 6 lety

    Anyone know the phrase he used at 3:02? Can't seem to type it accurately into google base solely on pronunciation.

  • @LeoRikimaru
    @LeoRikimaru Před 11 lety +6

    Ah, insane ramblings. Very entertaining.
    Thank you.

  • @christopherherman6202
    @christopherherman6202 Před 10 lety

    Not clear from what I can see. Does anyone know what flag hitchens has as his Lapel pin?

  • @homerfj1100
    @homerfj1100 Před 3 lety +3

    Hitch is drinking Mr Walker's amber restorative.

  • @Dougca1985
    @Dougca1985 Před 11 lety +1

    Where was this at?

  • @waltzjiveandviennese
    @waltzjiveandviennese Před 11 lety

    I remember that last part from the autobiography! And also how he used to frown upon 'versified filth'.

  • @freddiemercerful
    @freddiemercerful Před 11 lety

    I can't believe I missed Peter Leavy!

  • @gregs7720
    @gregs7720 Před 7 lety +9

    At least Hitch didn't have to live in the time of plain packet cigarettes.

  • @donluchitti
    @donluchitti Před 11 lety

    REALLY? Wow! Even better, haha, did you gleam that from "Hitch 22"?

  • @salasvalor01
    @salasvalor01 Před 11 lety +1

    such a couple of class and charm and influence.

  • @Windhorse_Mcghee
    @Windhorse_Mcghee Před 11 lety

    please help and apologies for my ignorance but what does Hitchens really mean "hes marxist but no longer a socialist" is it so subtle i missed it, thanks for insight in advance

  • @cleonawallace376
    @cleonawallace376 Před 11 lety

    Indeed.

  • @ColdCypher
    @ColdCypher Před 11 lety +1

    Whats with the glitchy video

  • @UrbanOspreys
    @UrbanOspreys Před 5 měsíci

    “While I might not personally hand the keys of my house to the descendants of a Hitler victim, I expect others to do it based on ethnic background.” “I hope unconscious bias isn’t a harbinger of common later-years racism." "Or fiction falling to locked-out trash, unlocked only in flashes when I, y’know, timidly confront myself.” "Thank you, Martin."

  • @Karlonstark
    @Karlonstark Před 8 lety +42

    Im sorry but i have to say this... But i thought something was amis

    • @ItsameAlex
      @ItsameAlex Před 8 lety

      +Tyler Stull Can any of you niggaz hear what they're saying? coz I can't, shame because it sounds interesting

    • @luyolomify
      @luyolomify Před 8 lety

      +ItsameAlex if you have a problem comprehending what they are talking about... Well, I'm afraid your mental fitness is questionable.

    • @ItsameAlex
      @ItsameAlex Před 8 lety +3

      it aint about comprehension, it's about sound

    • @theflyingotis3797
      @theflyingotis3797 Před 7 lety

      i hear it good enough....check your device

    • @heathera6774
      @heathera6774 Před 5 lety

      *amiss

  • @PurushaDesa
    @PurushaDesa Před 10 lety +1

    I love the phrase "bisexual days" like it's one of many political movements or social classes.

  • @kansaimagic
    @kansaimagic Před 11 lety +2

    Ahh man I wish I could have had the opportunity to drink with these guys.

  • @donluchitti
    @donluchitti Před 11 lety +1

    Hitch insider tip: at @1:17:55 when Hitch uses the word "Role model", notice Martin feigns not hearing the word Hitch said. It's actually Martin criticizing him. Hitch said that Martin would always chide him if he used a word that Martin thought was a bore or cliche.

  • @rvdrvd1000
    @rvdrvd1000 Před 11 lety

    I read about three lines, recognized what it was and typed this.

  • @salasvalor01
    @salasvalor01 Před 11 lety +2

    Martin when he says "that's not serious... that's not Jewish..." he reminds me of the cool ordinators in The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind.

  • @salasvalor01
    @salasvalor01 Před 11 lety

    Found it! I forgot where it was, but the highlight for me in this conversation- Martin Amis says "...that's not serious... that's not jewish..." 1:08:30

  • @victoke
    @victoke Před 11 lety

    watched a good one

  • @Beretta249
    @Beretta249 Před 8 lety

    I can barely hear the dialogue over the hissing from my speakers because of how high I have to turn the volume up to hear the dialogue.
    Oh awful irony.

  • @rith5
    @rith5 Před 10 lety

    Wow, you scorned him so effectively he deleted his comment.

  • @kezabel7201
    @kezabel7201 Před 4 lety +1

    The Hitch laughing 😂

  • @iga27
    @iga27 Před 8 lety +1

    sorry, problems with posting;

  • @musharrafdog
    @musharrafdog Před 5 lety +1

    Hitchens was so prescient about Lindberghism and the current pogroms.

  • @WynneCarluk
    @WynneCarluk Před 8 lety

    Person didn't fix the tracking on this. :/

  • @bronzong91
    @bronzong91 Před 11 lety

    if i were to make an advert for smoking i would just show this.

  • @vau0807
    @vau0807 Před 11 lety

    So is your profile pic ;-)

  • @AndrePAtomic
    @AndrePAtomic Před 11 lety

    The girl that asked the first question, is it me or does she sound exactly like Cordelia, from Stephen Fry´s documentary on his manic depression?

  • @InSingularity
    @InSingularity Před 10 lety +2

    Is that a glass of whisky filled to the brim?
    Goddamn

    • @RhettWright
      @RhettWright Před 10 lety +1

      Terence Francis It's neither/nor. Christopher, putting down the glass & pulling out his cigarettes, shows the devices that were to lead to his early demise. I love Hitch, and wish he were still around as the West continues its wrestling with the nuclear mullahs of Iran.

    • @jema9735
      @jema9735 Před 4 lety

      Likely

  • @iga27
    @iga27 Před 8 lety +7

    just love Hitch

  • @1961axis
    @1961axis Před 11 lety +1

    The pantheon of great religious thinkers that have died of cancer eludes me, but I think it is fanciful in the extreme to suggest that this disease somehow avoids the devout. If you are saying that, so full of the light of the lamb are sufferers, that the symptoms of this terrible disease are of no consequence, then again - and as a result of first hand experience - I would revisit the term ‘fanciful’.

  • @BadMannerKorea
    @BadMannerKorea Před 2 měsíci

    Unfortunately Christopher ignored these signs at 27:47 29:20 1:19:35. Would it have been too late if he went to the doctor in February 2007? I don't know.

  • @123loco1991
    @123loco1991 Před 11 lety +3

    ahhh Martin and Christopher, its like my brain getting a massage..

  • @MitzvosGolem1
    @MitzvosGolem1 Před 4 lety

    שלום
    EXCELLENT

  • @rsr789
    @rsr789 Před 10 lety

    No, it's demonstrably correct.

  • @7146533
    @7146533 Před 11 lety

    bravo - nice UTube name!

  • @kevinerazocastillo8276
    @kevinerazocastillo8276 Před 11 lety

    i'm surprised the first minute didn't give me an epileptic seizure....

  • @Rio-bz6dh
    @Rio-bz6dh Před 6 lety +3

    Damn he looks terrible this is probably one of those times where he was throwing up just before it started we miss you Christopher you have freed many minds a debt we can't repay we need you now more than ever

  • @ValentinHarbinger
    @ValentinHarbinger Před 10 lety +2

    Does anyone know what they're drinking?

    • @andorei318
      @andorei318 Před 10 lety +1

      Johnnie Walker black, at least one of them.

    • @ValentinHarbinger
      @ValentinHarbinger Před 10 lety

      handorei Come on, all that can't be whiskey, unless it's mixed with water or something, and that would be disgusting.

    • @andorei318
      @andorei318 Před 10 lety +2

      ***** I really don't know, it was just based on what I know about him, and that's that his favorite was the black label.

    • @KidsWithGuns1992
      @KidsWithGuns1992 Před 10 lety +2

      ***** I'm fairly sure it is. Hitchens was a very heavy drinker, and drank every day. He noted (along with others making comment on it), that he could put away copious amounts without ever slurring a word or swaying on his feet.

    • @jonathanlanni643
      @jonathanlanni643 Před 5 lety

      @@ValentinHarbinger mixed w/ perrier

  • @rvdrvd1000
    @rvdrvd1000 Před 11 lety +1

    No atheist fights against god, not one.

  • @chelseapoet3664
    @chelseapoet3664 Před rokem +1

    Generally an excellent discussion but a quite stunning level of ignorance about manic depression, or what we now call bipolar disorder. They are describing paranoia, which could co exist with it but is by no means the same thing.

  • @goatamongsheep4296
    @goatamongsheep4296 Před 4 lety

    I wish I had never seen this.

  • @7timeless
    @7timeless Před 8 lety +11

    Ahhh 2007, a time where you could still light up a ciggarette in a public place without people looking at you like the devil himself.

    • @contactkeithstack
      @contactkeithstack Před 7 lety

      Jacques Guerrier same

    • @joetavish
      @joetavish Před 7 lety

      this was banned in scotland by 2007, surprised to see it in the video (London, I think, they said a few times)

    • @judithedelstein9823
      @judithedelstein9823 Před 5 lety

      contactkeithstack tuciuitciiitccicckufukuhfrrrhhrrybłvrct

  • @ZanderPingu
    @ZanderPingu Před 9 lety +1

    What does Christopher say at 47:07 to make Martin laugh? *Unless of course it was a w....*

  • @OdeonTutoring
    @OdeonTutoring Před 11 lety

    I dont understand half of the words they use or half of what theyre talking about. These two are on a whole other level of thought.

  • @Militarized
    @Militarized Před 11 lety +1

    I don't think he ever fully stopped being a socialist entirely, I believe he just stopped by a trotskyist supporter.

  • @ViperRob
    @ViperRob Před 11 lety

    'no laughing matter', yet many funny, lol moments ha

  • @jsuglia
    @jsuglia Před 11 lety +1

    Martin's father Kingsley called the term "role model" a "hilarious barbarism."

  • @tonysnark1530
    @tonysnark1530 Před 5 lety +1

    Seizure warning

  • @AndreasZimmerman
    @AndreasZimmerman Před 11 lety +2

    9:00 The Hitch laughs.

  • @stephenharrington1977
    @stephenharrington1977 Před 6 lety +2

    Funny and strange to see Christopher laughing.

  • @Johnconno
    @Johnconno Před 4 lety

    Amis was never a laughing matter, unless his name was in the same sentence as Saul Bellow's.

  • @tennesseegregario7253

    I knew he was reaching for the smokes when he went digging in his pocket.

  • @Benfea
    @Benfea Před 10 lety

    He did not make an ad hominem fallacy. "You are an idiot" is a claim, not an argument, and fallacies have to be arguments. "You are wrong because you are an idiot" would be an example of an ad hominem fallacy. He has made a claim and it is up to him to support his claim, but he has not committed an ad hominem fallacy.

  • @Btree33
    @Btree33 Před 11 lety +3

    God i miss Hitchens....i wish there were a God that could keep him around......too bad there isn't

    • @waterkingdavid
      @waterkingdavid Před 3 lety

      There certainly isn't a God anything like the way it's been conceived.
      But consciousness, which certainly wasn't given the last word by Daniel Dennett in his book "Consciousness Explained" isn't understood by anyone.
      Cause if you think about it you realize that whatever thought is or comes from consciousness is a way bigger mystery.
      And people tend not to like mysteries unless they're one of those extremely rare people who truly honest with themselves.
      Consider exploring Zen.

  • @jacktorrance5334
    @jacktorrance5334 Před 10 lety

    exactly - it's a cheap semantic trick. his (or her) 'logic' is based on the fact that in the english language, the word "law" has a judicial meaning and in a scientific one. one is proscriptive, the other is descriptive.

  • @Angelmaker44
    @Angelmaker44 Před 10 lety

    I tend to agree. Without spacetime there couldn´t be laws. For all we know spacetime started existing at the point of the big bang. I wouldn´t know how there could be laws without spacetime, but perhaps NuMaiVremPamant would be kind enough to show us proof of these extraordinary claims.

  • @Angelmaker44
    @Angelmaker44 Před 10 lety

    Wait wait I am running in a problem here that I would need more than 500 letters to clarify. Short answer. I probably confused "time" and "laws". AFAIK physics explain the creation of spacetime by fluctuations in the quantum field. So at least quantum mechanics had to exist regardless of spacetime ( how about gravity, etc? Don´t know, think they are dependant on spacetime ). Ok, need to do more research on that. Still, Numai has not yet proven that "laws" are existing due to a designer.

  • @WorthlessWinner
    @WorthlessWinner Před 10 lety

    If people want to test evolution they can take the sequences off the NCBI, run them through a tree drawing program and get the same result no matter what gene you use.

  • @freddiemercerful
    @freddiemercerful Před 11 lety

    It sounds like you have been listening to a good deal too much Irving, and not enough Hitches and Amis.

  • @DocFlamingo
    @DocFlamingo Před 11 lety

    1/2:
    Off the top of my head:
    1) Cultural and ethnic differences
    2) Cultural and ethnic separatism on the part of Jews themselves which has been exacerbated by a long-term nomadic existence.
    3) Old Catholic usury laws which brought Jews into professions (banking, tax collecting, money lending) which elicit hostility in any population.

  • @TheWdayton
    @TheWdayton Před 10 lety +2

    I've always been baffled by anti-Semitism. I grew up in a rural Midwestern town where there was an undercurrent of bigotry against homosexuals, against Blacks, against Mexicans (all Latino immigrants were 'Mexicans'), but never really encountered anti-Semitism.

  • @Benfea
    @Benfea Před 10 lety

    Why the [bad word] is everyone debating evolution and the existence of God in a (rather moving) video about anti-semitism?

  • @irtehpwn09
    @irtehpwn09 Před 10 lety

    Depends whether we mean, from Jewish decent, or practising the Jewish religion.

  • @NotAG4yName
    @NotAG4yName Před 11 lety

    If not him then who?