I didn't watch it.... on which event happened this? And what medal was it... who snatched it away from her? As far as I understood from other comments... Romania is not a leading nation in Gymnastics anymore. This is really a pity if it's true.
@@Boban1611 It's part of the debacle that was the floor exercise finals. They gave her an out of bounds deduction even though she didn't go out of bounds. She got the same score as her teammate, Ana Barbosu. Also, the judges didn't give Jordan Chiles credit for her tour jeté full, so Jordan originally scored lower than both Romanian gymnasts, but the American coaches filed an inquiry with the judges, which was accepted and they gave credit for the tour jeté full. So Jordan then received a higher score than either Romanian and got the bronze medal. But then Romania appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, which found that the American coach's inquiry came _4 seconds_ too late, so they stripped Jordan of her medal and gave it to Barbosu (because of an execution score tie-breaker between her and Voinea.) However, the CAS did not alert the Americans of the appeal in time for the Americans to actually prepare, so they weren't able to submit video proof that they inquired within 1 minute and now the CAS won't reopen the case. Also, the head arbiter of the appeal has represented Romania multiple times over the years, so people think he's biased. Romania also appealed Voinea's out of bounds deduction to the CAS, but since they didn't inquire at the competition, CAS wouldn't review it. So had the judges done their job right, Voinea would be the winner, because her score (13.8) would have been higher than Chiles (13.766, if the judges had correctly given her credit) and Barbosu (13.7). So basically, the person with the lowest deserved score is now the bronze medalist, Voinea gets nothing and Chiles has been ordered to return her bronze medal. A lot of people, including the gymnasts, think all three should share the bronze.
@@AdeleiTeillana What a disaster. Thank you for taking your time and explain it in detail. I almost felt, as if I was watching the competition. That was really nice! Thanks again. 🥰
@@AdeleiTeillanaThank you for explaining that exactly as it happened without throwing shade at any of the gymnasts. Ana Barbosu was the only one who was scored fairly. Both Jordan Chiles and Sabrina Voinea were both underscored. Ana should be 5th, not 3rd... but it was also cruel to post the standings when an inquiry was pending, make her think she won bronze, then say "never mind." Then give it to Jordan, medal ceremony (an iconic one at that) and all... then later strip it from her (when she did nothing wrong) and "give it back" to Ana. I wouldn't even want it at that point if I were her. Chiles WAS underscored on her difficulty; she did complete a tour jete full and it is worth .4 points towards the difficulty score; they gave her a .3 for it. Stripping her of a medal due to no wrongdoing on her part over a 4-second technicality (if in fact it even was 4 seconds late) on a valid appeal that shouldn't have been necessary to begin with, is just beyond cruel. Voinea doesn't seem to have stepped out of bounds, unless it happened on another pass than the one we keep seeing video of, and it was impossible to see on TV... but if that's the case, why isn't there photographic or video evidence of her going OOB on that routine anyway? And even if she did, her difficulty was also underscored. I'm not sure exactly what skill they underscored, but she did an identical routine in qualifying and team final, and got a 6.0 difficulty for both. That said, an inquiry should have been submitted on her behalf at the time... but then again, just as in Jordan's case, it shouldn't be necessary. I also personally feel that both Chiles and Voinea were underscored on execution, but unfortunately that can't be appealed. I get that the judges are human, but there are more than one for a reason and they have a huge responsibility, which they need to take seriously. How could they bungle scoring 2 routines so badly that the bronze ends up going to someone who should've rightfully placed 5th is insane. And I know it'll probably never happen, but I do agree it should be a 3-way tie atp. Not just 3 bronze medals, but having them all listed in the record books as having tied for bronze. Normally that wouldn't be an appropriate answer, but in this case it's not about placating whiny gymnasts. It's about righting a wrong made by the officials.
She has also a daughter who was also involved at the sport: Sabrina Voinea.... Camelia Voinea was the only participant of the 1987 Romanian team, who did not leave her country afterwards. She stayed in Romania and became a coach there... that's at least what wiki tells us. 😏
Judging by your username, I say you have good taste. Voinea's floor exercise from 1987 is quite a spectacle and she scored a 10 for it at world championships in Rotterdam. She had a double layout to punch front to open.
@@melissakerber8287 Many Thanks. I am saddened by the way gymnastics has been steered down the current path. I am therefore, always appreciative and relieved, for those channels that concentrate on old gymnastics and love reading the comments, from fellow fans.
@@Boban1611Bravo ei , toată admirația ptr.ca a rămas în tara ei draga - ROMANIA 🇷🇴 și face totul prt.gimnastica , fiica ei Sabrina ii calcă serios pe urmele succesului mamei ei !!!! Cam toate gimnastele au plecat din tara crezând ca este mai bn.in alta parte , este alegerea lor !!!! Simona Amanar , Lavinia Milosovici , Maria Olaru , Sandra Izbasa , Andreea Raducan , Catalina Ponor , și altele au rămas ACASĂ!!! Bravo fetelor , aici va este locul !!!! 🇷🇴🥇👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Sabrina Maneca Voinea now has silver on beam and floor at the European Championships in Rimini (May 2024). She continues training for the Olympics in Paris, with she mother, Camelia Voinea, also in Romania!
That's wonderful to hear. Thank you for this Update. Since I am not watching the modern Gymnastics competitions anymore, it is good to hear from time to time about the news. And since this one was connected with Camelia Voinea it reached my heart immediately. 💙🥰😊
Not the judge Yaroslava Matlohova (Te-te-te-Telephone) and the presi Ellen Berger (Cruella de Vil) changing her score from 9. 9.788 to 9. 675 with a McDonald' s ad in the background. Because of _The Revenge of Los Angeles 1984_ . If this is not a premonition for her daughter *Sabrina Voinea* in Paris 2024...
@@danielacinderella9501 It' s a premonition of Chiles, Barbosu and Sabrina Voinea (Camelia' s daughter) controversy. They came from Los Angeles 1984 and now they go for Los Angeles 2028. Nothing has changed.
What a nice composition! I never saw a bars routine from Camelia Voinea before.
Ce bine seamănă cu Nadia.Da!Fetele noastre de 10!!!Ce trăiri ce amintiri.
I am not sure, if Google translates your comment right....
what a nice kid ! Nowadays her daughter Sabrina Voinea was robbed of a medal at Paris Olympics 2024.
I didn't watch it.... on which event happened this? And what medal was it... who snatched it away from her?
As far as I understood from other comments... Romania is not a leading nation in Gymnastics anymore. This is really a pity if it's true.
@@Boban1611 It's part of the debacle that was the floor exercise finals. They gave her an out of bounds deduction even though she didn't go out of bounds. She got the same score as her teammate, Ana Barbosu. Also, the judges didn't give Jordan Chiles credit for her tour jeté full, so Jordan originally scored lower than both Romanian gymnasts, but the American coaches filed an inquiry with the judges, which was accepted and they gave credit for the tour jeté full. So Jordan then received a higher score than either Romanian and got the bronze medal.
But then Romania appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, which found that the American coach's inquiry came _4 seconds_ too late, so they stripped Jordan of her medal and gave it to Barbosu (because of an execution score tie-breaker between her and Voinea.) However, the CAS did not alert the Americans of the appeal in time for the Americans to actually prepare, so they weren't able to submit video proof that they inquired within 1 minute and now the CAS won't reopen the case. Also, the head arbiter of the appeal has represented Romania multiple times over the years, so people think he's biased.
Romania also appealed Voinea's out of bounds deduction to the CAS, but since they didn't inquire at the competition, CAS wouldn't review it.
So had the judges done their job right, Voinea would be the winner, because her score (13.8) would have been higher than Chiles (13.766, if the judges had correctly given her credit) and Barbosu (13.7). So basically, the person with the lowest deserved score is now the bronze medalist, Voinea gets nothing and Chiles has been ordered to return her bronze medal.
A lot of people, including the gymnasts, think all three should share the bronze.
@@AdeleiTeillana What a disaster. Thank you for taking your time and explain it in detail. I almost felt, as if I was watching the competition. That was really nice! Thanks again. 🥰
@@AdeleiTeillanaThank you for explaining that exactly as it happened without throwing shade at any of the gymnasts.
Ana Barbosu was the only one who was scored fairly. Both Jordan Chiles and Sabrina Voinea were both underscored. Ana should be 5th, not 3rd... but it was also cruel to post the standings when an inquiry was pending, make her think she won bronze, then say "never mind." Then give it to Jordan, medal ceremony (an iconic one at that) and all... then later strip it from her (when she did nothing wrong) and "give it back" to Ana. I wouldn't even want it at that point if I were her.
Chiles WAS underscored on her difficulty; she did complete a tour jete full and it is worth .4 points towards the difficulty score; they gave her a .3 for it. Stripping her of a medal due to no wrongdoing on her part over a 4-second technicality (if in fact it even was 4 seconds late) on a valid appeal that shouldn't have been necessary to begin with, is just beyond cruel.
Voinea doesn't seem to have stepped out of bounds, unless it happened on another pass than the one we keep seeing video of, and it was impossible to see on TV... but if that's the case, why isn't there photographic or video evidence of her going OOB on that routine anyway? And even if she did, her difficulty was also underscored. I'm not sure exactly what skill they underscored, but she did an identical routine in qualifying and team final, and got a 6.0 difficulty for both. That said, an inquiry should have been submitted on her behalf at the time... but then again, just as in Jordan's case, it shouldn't be necessary.
I also personally feel that both Chiles and Voinea were underscored on execution, but unfortunately that can't be appealed.
I get that the judges are human, but there are more than one for a reason and they have a huge responsibility, which they need to take seriously. How could they bungle scoring 2 routines so badly that the bronze ends up going to someone who should've rightfully placed 5th is insane.
And I know it'll probably never happen, but I do agree it should be a 3-way tie atp. Not just 3 bronze medals, but having them all listed in the record books as having tied for bronze. Normally that wouldn't be an appropriate answer, but in this case it's not about placating whiny gymnasts. It's about righting a wrong made by the officials.
Those witches (judges) doing their never ending damage.
I am not so much into the present time of Artistic Gymnastics, but is it still so political and sometimes incomprehensible?
@@Boban1611 even more so, now...
@@Q_from_Star_Trek Oh dear..... *sighs*
I added the subtitles now, because the German reporter talked about this problem in Artistic Gymnastics....
@@Boban1611 it’s not only in the gymnastic but also in the box
I've not heard of this gymnast before - I love discovering old gymnasts - Thanks for uploading.
She has also a daughter who was also involved at the sport: Sabrina Voinea....
Camelia Voinea was the only participant of the 1987 Romanian team, who did not leave her country afterwards.
She stayed in Romania and became a coach there... that's at least what wiki tells us. 😏
Judging by your username, I say you have good taste. Voinea's floor exercise from 1987 is quite a spectacle and she scored a 10 for it at world championships in Rotterdam. She had a double layout to punch front to open.
@@melissakerber8287 Many Thanks. I am saddened by the way gymnastics has been steered down the current path. I am therefore, always appreciative and relieved, for those channels that concentrate on old gymnastics and love reading the comments, from fellow fans.
@@Boban1611 Thank You so much for the info.
@@Boban1611Bravo ei , toată admirația ptr.ca a rămas în tara ei draga - ROMANIA 🇷🇴 și face totul prt.gimnastica , fiica ei Sabrina ii calcă serios pe urmele succesului mamei ei !!!! Cam toate gimnastele au plecat din tara crezând ca este mai bn.in alta parte , este alegerea lor !!!! Simona Amanar , Lavinia Milosovici , Maria Olaru , Sandra Izbasa , Andreea Raducan , Catalina Ponor , și altele au rămas ACASĂ!!! Bravo fetelor , aici va este locul !!!! 🇷🇴🥇👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Ceva normal! Notele pentru gimnastele noastre erau greu de dat și atunci! Felicitări pentru exercițiu, Camelia! 💐🫶
Sabrina Maneca Voinea now has silver on beam and floor at the European Championships in Rimini (May 2024). She continues training for the Olympics in Paris, with she mother, Camelia Voinea, also in Romania!
That's wonderful to hear.
Thank you for this Update. Since I am not watching the modern Gymnastics competitions anymore, it is good to hear from time to time about the news.
And since this one was connected with Camelia Voinea it reached my heart immediately. 💙🥰😊
She finished 9th in the All-Around!!!
Looking at the scores, she seemed to have her problems at the Balance Beam...
Mie îmi pare exact exercițiul Nadiei din Montreal, în plus are și un aer similar 😅Mia plăcut mult!!!!❤
La tecnología alemana, joderrrr!!! Sin vergüenza!!!!
Hum? East Germany at its best.... 😎
Not the judge Yaroslava Matlohova (Te-te-te-Telephone) and the presi Ellen Berger (Cruella de Vil) changing her score from 9. 9.788 to 9. 675 with a McDonald' s ad in the background. Because of _The Revenge of Los Angeles 1984_ . If this is not a premonition for her daughter *Sabrina Voinea* in Paris 2024...
*The Revenge Of Los Angeles* was mentioned several times by the German journalists during their coverage.
Nice introduction by the way.... 😄🤣😅
War das eine Übertragung im DDR-Fernsehen?
Nein. Das ist West-Fernsehen. Karl-Heinz Roland und Volker Rath waren damals die Kommentatoren.
Hj ela fez demonização facial a boca parece um uc de pato kkk
I just checked it! 😨
I had no idea!
Wtf is happend here with judges?
A German commentator mentioned in one of the competitions the 'Revenge of L.A.', regarding the Romanian team and their scoring...
Min.4 : Mc Donald's ?!? 😂
As usual : taking down Romanian score !
I've added the subtitles now - because the German reporter talked about this topic at great length....
@@danielacinderella9501 It' s a premonition of Chiles, Barbosu and Sabrina Voinea (Camelia' s daughter) controversy. They came from Los Angeles 1984 and now they go for Los Angeles 2028. Nothing has changed.