Golden Wall games always turn out great. Lots of maps almost guarantee for something epic. They're probably peaking with map quality for the most competitive players.
Yeah maybe. I always have a lot of fun on Death Aura and Ever Dream using nydus play, stuff like that. Submarine is a great rush map, Golden Wall a good drop map, seems like theres just something for all types of players/strategies.
@@KineticSymphony mech is good vs toss . In his first game vs super he just lost half his army for no reason ( even the casters said it was a bad play there ) and only had tanks going uphill into toss. Tanks need a front line like lurkers and disruptors do.
@@KineticSymphony mech is fine against toss but taeja just couldn't get good positioning with his tanks and moved them as big unit instead of static positional play
I can’t believe they didn’t have a bigger screen. I kind of assumed that they would have some kind of touch screen positioned in a low angle and that’s why we never saw it.
I feel like Taeja is great, his Macro and Micro but his decision making sometimes is what drags him down... I mean he has the skills 100% but he is still missing something.
well idk about that. People was saying it 3 years ago as well but he has never been able to made the break. But his form does look good today and if he keeps this up he may get to the round of 4.
Thanks guys for the comments. Could you say Dark Templar instead of DT? I mean, a game where DT are fighting ST while WM are shooting a WP will be very boring. The unit's names sound wonderfull, when you say them you are making the sci-fi atmospher of Starcraft you know... Txs again.
3:12:59 Inno w/ the Old English "Innovation" finger tats ...uncrossing his arms w/ chants in the background....[instant nerd chillz + goosebumps + slight hard-on].
Not gonna lie, this stalker meta looks stupid. Mass stalkers, suicide blink them onto things and a-move, warp in more with 15 gateways, do it again. Defeat higher tech armies with attrition before they can rebuild. The casters try to announce it like it's more complex but... I get it, exploiting the fact Terran needs time to rebuild. It's just so cancerous to think that micro and player skill doesn't matter once you get enough gateways and derpstalker in. Watching Protoss treat stalkers like swarm host locusts is so... sigh. The worst part about it is that Protoss are in such a weird place right now that if they refined stalker gameplay then Protoss would be back in that awkward place a few years ago where they were just cheese or lose, AKA the meta that forged Has.
Nailed it. And it has been a style for a long time. I mean, I follow Sc2 E-sports for years now and I immediately recognized this style when I think it was sOs but something tells me he was more of an obscure Korean Sc2 pro. Anyway, I recognized this flaw in the game design and figured this is why people don't go mech'donalds but it's making a come back. TaeJa at the end of Game 3 vs. Super should've build two bunkers on front of his tank line with his infantry that he built. He had like 10 marines. It's possible that was his plan, I don't understand the two missile turrets at third for Observer deterrence. If he had a few bunkers and the Cyclones behind the Hellbats and Marines in bunkers he could've held but Super saw his horrible army positioning and leapt on him. His plan I think originally was the flank that Artosis was talking about.
@@dukevallenheim9262 It's tough because the stalker collapse in doesn't even have to trade well, as you immediately have another collapse in of stalkers seconds later. If they just thin out an army they can overwhelm it, and by the time the Terran reproduces an army the Protoss has reinforced the next stalker wave and can just repeat it. Build up minerals, build up gateways, get a warp prism, get warp gates, free win. The only counter I've seen has been abysmal stalker micro where they sit under liberators and don't target fire them down.
Can someone explain to me why Gyuri Moon did not look at Scarlett once during the interview when she beat Rogue 2-0 advancing to RO.16??? Is it because she's a fan of Rogue and was upset that he lost or she has something against Scarlett?? In the interview u could tell she was faking her smile the whole time, and it made me feel uncomfortable seeing this host acting so fake in front of people, she should be replaced
S. Korea is and always has been hostile to the LGBT community. Same sex relationships are considered illegal and was upheld by their supreme court in 2017 - though they are rarely prosecuted these days, it is possible to receive a 1 year sentence for a same-sex relationship.
@@vhulheim I understand that Asians are more reserved and traditional, I'm Asian myself...and I do understand that Asians may look at the LGBT community in a different way...but that host in probably in her twenties, in pains me to see someone that young still look at people the traditional way...who is she to judge what kind of person is Scarlett... Scarlett can choose whatever she wants to be, she doesn't need to hide it just because people might not feel different about it. This is a international game show being broadcast across the globe, if people saw how the host doesn't even look at the person she's talking to, people are going to view Koreans as judgmental type of race just because someone is different. It's a bad look for GSL imho, but that's just me.
Taeja play better strategically than Maru except for that stupid Hellbat build but the reason he lose is that he don't do some simple thing like literally spend 1 sec to right click on an hatchery to finish it.
Strategically? The reason he is out of the tournament, is because of his silly misunderstandings of mech vs the build of super. If he simply understood the strategic thing to do with what he had, he would have won those fairly easily. His micro is somewhat great at times, but he misses some critical things, like the hatch you mentioned, or that bane hit. I just don't think he has it all together yet. He definitely needs to polish his TvP.
Taeja turtled so much against super in the 3rd game that got me really confused since he was supposed to be the favorite to win, I’m very disappointed in taeja the most
year 2030 and Tastosis still have not realized the roaches popped out and killed solar's scouting ling right when the ling spotted the morphling roach warren. That was how Solar knew about the roach all-in and defended the push flawlessly as he did.
Wtf! Players aren't in boxes anymore..wtf is afreecatv where is gomtv.. and why is tasteless' voice so high pitch. I haven't watched GSL in nearly 10 years!! Wow
Serral - 0 IEM, 0 Dreamhack, 0 WESG, 0 Code S (not even qualified) goat? apart from 1 blizzcon and several show matches, he has only won tournaments consisting of pure foreigners. He is very good sure; but tournament record is one that should matter if we talk about GOAT. You have to beat everyone when it matters to be the greatest.
taeja and polt were the same, they pretty much only played foreign tournaments but you dont see the same comparison with them. Why would Serral try to qualify for Code S when he doesnt want to live in Korea to play SC2? That's like saying Tyson Fury is a garbage boxer because he didn't compete in the olympics. I don't even like Serral, but its hard to deny that he was one of the best/is the best zerg in lotv. He 3-1'd TY, Trap, Classic, in super tournament, and 2-0'd Cure, TY, and sOs 3-1'd Innovation at katowice. He also completely smashed Maru twice in two different occasions during the time when they were both considered to be the strongest players on the planet.
@@Sapreme smashed Maru twice?? I only know of him winning a 1-0 against Maru once. And Maru smashed 3-0 Serral once. Maybe you can give me the matches where he smashed Maru.
@@Sapreme 1) "Pure foreigners" , not "foreign tournament". Foreign tournaments were pretty much Korean tournaments back then; or at least 50%. Certainly not the same as Korean-banned WCS circuits. 2) Nobody is saying "garbage boxer" or player. I even said that he is very good. 3) Can you link me the "super tournament" he was in? 4) Can you also link me "twice" he defeated Maru? I only recall GSL vs the World showmatch in a best of 1. He lost to Maru 0:3 in best of 5 in WESG. His win for the IEM EU qualifier is stretching it as that was played in EU server. 5) Katowice? He never won any championships. Never even reached the finals. Sure he beat a lot of top Koreans, so did Neeb and Scarlett. 6) Not too familiar with Boxing. However, it's objectively true that GSL Code S is the hardest tournament of all. Tournaments where Koreans are allowed, you don't see any foreigners go past round of 8. Serral has done well by achieving top 4 a lot of the time, but that's it, foreigners still foreigners; although by living in Korea, they've improved a ton. Except for Serral which is impressive. 7) "doesnt want to live in Korea" is not an excuse. I respect his choice. However, we are talking about GOAT; not player's living preferences. This is not saying however that qualifying for Code S is a must. Winning Blizzcon twice (like s0s) is an achievement, winning any IEM, Dreamhack, WESG is also an achievement. Korean banned-WCS circuits as well; but I'd argue that those are minor tournaments - and Neeb probably has comparable record for that. Again, with these kind of arguments, my main argument is ignored. Let me repeat: Tournament record is one that should matter if we talk about GOAT. You have to beat everyone when it matters the most. "matters the most" in my opinion is prize money. And in the case of Code S, it's the achievement. Again, please respond to my arguments. Don't ignore them.
In his prime I saw him come out of nowhere to carry the entire foreign team and convincingly snap all the Koreans in half in GSL vs The World. It was actually rather disgusting, to the point of making people saw him as an antagonist to be defeated for over a year and started calling him a sith lord (partly due to the meme of his resting face and the red/dark lighting he seemed to always be under). The commentary afterwards featured the Koreans reeling and confused. They were saying things like "He had no weaknesses, what could we do?", "I thought he was just lucky but it kept happening", "The zerglings to spot ... others will do this too now".
@@fuzzwobble Yeah indeed that was incredible. However, I'd argue that unknown strong players consistently have an advantage of being unknown. And it would just be a matter of time when players start paying attention to the VODs. And this verified with his 0 championships (apart from 1 blizzcon) in succeeding Premier tournaments where Koreans are not banned. The show match GSL vs the World was also ran in the midst of a GSL Code S tournament, I doubt players would show their hands in the showmatches.
SC2 according to terrans: Patch terran on the terran map pool = balanced and great/fun map pool. Zerg wins three tournaments beating terrans that never clear creep spread = Broken game. Pls nerf zerg again.
...do i dream or Zerg are OP ? really, tons of gsl, tons of esl, tons of dream hack...., tons of vids and replay, and what i only see/saw : only zerg rules // Mr Blizzard NERF them !!!
I play Terran and I'll say what I've been saying for *years:* Bio is completely fucking broken. There's no way Z and P should need T3 units to deal with shit that comes from the first building a Terran makes.
how tasteles its still casting,the worst caster ever he just have no idea of the game i bet i didnt played sc2 ever,honestly would prefer to watch this in korean ,artosis is great i feel sad for him
Short answer: A vast majority of players are entertained by him. You are part of the minority. Looking more general than just SC2 commentary, sports commentary is often one expert and one commenter. Tasteless is the commenter. Artosis is thoroughly entertained by having Tasteless there. Please refrain from posting hurtful comments without any argument supporting your point of view. Longer answer: I'm going to break your comment into its parts and argue them all: "how tasteles its still casting" - There is both a public demand and for AfreecaTV it would serve no purpose to change a working formula. "the worst caster ever" - His popularity is empirical evidence of the opposite "he just have no idea of the game" - That is an exageration. He does not know the names of things, but he does know about player styles, standard strategies, proxy locations, map specific strategies etc. He is not the most knowledgeable, but he does know a lot. "i bet i didnt played sc2 ever" - Whether or not you played the game doesn't matter for any of this. This leads me to believe that you meant that Tasteless never played the game. He did, he was on team EG and played a bit (though he was mainly a manager of EG's SC2 division). "honestly would prefer to watch this in korean" - Nobody is stopping you. "artosis is great i feel sad for him" - Have you not noticed how much joy Tasteless brings Artosis in every cast? There are times when Artosis is muted because he can't stop laughing at something Tasteless said. How can that be sad for Artosis? Artosis has got the Pylon show for true nerdiness while game commentary is entertainment. Artosis has got both parts.
Hey come on man, Tasteless is more of a showman/entertainer rather than a caster... Artosis is the more analytical one and indeed knows the game a lot better. Overall I think they are a great duo, they complement each other very well and have really good chemistry. Sometimes they also make hilarious jokes, sometimes they are annoying as well...
I would agree that Tasteless is not as analytical as before but I think that makes up his cues and color commentary. He and Artosis are for me the best e-sport casting duo in the biz. Yeah even better than Tobiwan and Synd.
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Please never stop doing this. GSL is all that keeps me alive at the moment.
grow a spine
@@erictred4529 not something I'd tell to a potentially suicidal person
@@erictred4529 i am happy for you if that means that your life is easy. I hope that it will stay that way for a long time.
gsl also helped me through a really tough time.
@@SAOSIN987 damn. I loved Saosin back in the day
I missed my “LG ULTRAGYOR GAIMIN MONITAAH, ENEGY DRINK HOT SHIX” man
🤣
3:09:41
The games this season have been insanely good.
I think its the map pool tbh. They're all pretty fun to play too
Golden Wall games always turn out great. Lots of maps almost guarantee for something epic. They're probably peaking with map quality for the most competitive players.
Yeah maybe. I always have a lot of fun on Death Aura and Ever Dream using nydus play, stuff like that. Submarine is a great rush map, Golden Wall a good drop map, seems like theres just something for all types of players/strategies.
Okay, Mech'Donald's got me.
That nuke was juicy!
two style of terran play: Mechdonald's, and BioKing.
aren't those the 2 only options anyway? :p
16:27 Artosis: ...and now we have a real monitor
I’m pretty sure it LG ULTRAGYOO GAIMIN MONITAH 😅
That Adelscott reference at 2:47:24. Those were the good days !
TaeJa again showing some good play sadly it’s still not quite enough just goes to show how brutal GSL really is.
Still a tactical god, keen to see what he can do when he's even more practiced up again!
Just made the mistake of going mech vs protoss.
@@KineticSymphony mech is good vs toss . In his first game vs super he just lost half his army for no reason ( even the casters said it was a bad play there ) and only had tanks going uphill into toss. Tanks need a front line like lurkers and disruptors do.
@@KineticSymphony 2:31:21 for the fight
For more talking 2:33:10
@@KineticSymphony mech is fine against toss but taeja just couldn't get good positioning with his tanks and moved them as big unit instead of static positional play
Solar vs Super
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Game 1 - 21:13
Game 2 - 29:23
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TaeJa vs Rogue
Game 1 - 45:13
Game 2 - 1:10:37
Game 3 - 1:30:55
Rogues still my fav player even if hes not the best. Anyway, little harsh on Super gentleman.
Thanks for uploads.
I can’t believe they didn’t have a bigger screen. I kind of assumed that they would have some kind of touch screen positioned in a low angle and that’s why we never saw it.
Taeja - finally a Terran who understands not to clump all his tanks together.
I feel like Taeja is great, his Macro and Micro but his decision making sometimes is what drags him down... I mean he has the skills 100% but he is still missing something.
teja is Korean harry potter. you will never be able to unsee
That has been Impact's role.
Ya I dont see it
Nah dog that's innovation
Holy shit g1 Taeja vs Rouge was sick
Goddamn, match #1... fantastic!. I couldn't blink!
Gotta get that Twilight Council first!
@@homeslice3535 Haha you knew what I meant, but I'll give you that one 👍🏽
What is the title of the song at the start of this video? 0:00
did you find the song?
@@noobrules16 Emorie - going home
@@axolotl..148 Thank you so much!!!! ahh! how did you find it? lol
that nuke 👀👀
Man, Solar is looking incredible today! Really looking forward to his future matches!
well idk about that. People was saying it 3 years ago as well but he has never been able to made the break. But his form does look good today and if he keeps this up he may get to the round of 4.
Nice stream, as always.
Seeing the highlights from 2012 GSL finals between MVP and Squirtle was a great throwback. I remember that game 7. What was the name of that map...?
Does anyone have any info on the very first song played at the beginning of this video? Can't find it.
I was looking forward to seeing Rogue v Taeja round 2. Smdh Taeja...
Someone please translate what is being said in the Hot6 commercial with the two dudes and the couple in the pc bang.
What's the title of the first song?
does anyone know what the third song of the opening of the broadcast is called?
A nuke that actually landed on the army :O. I've seen it all now.
Aaaaw, Tastosis played Ori!
the HIGHLIGHT of this video is hwasa's commercial. and maybe bannelings idunnno.
I miss my juan by juan.
GG's
music?
match n1 was awesome.
2:26:58 “MechDonalds” had me lolling.
Gyuri is gorgeous
In the rouge taeja match it always sounds like the name announcer is saying “man-bun”, hehe. Fun games.
lol. Sounds like "hand-bun" to me. I was wondering if i was the only goof haha
I suppose that voice introducing the players is the Korean Kerrigan voice? For some reason, i find it quite sexy.
Yup it’s korean kerrigan
Thanks guys for the comments. Could you say Dark Templar instead of DT? I mean, a game where DT are fighting ST while WM are shooting a WP will be very boring. The unit's names sound wonderfull, when you say them you are making the sci-fi atmospher of Starcraft you know... Txs again.
Damn that Taeja vs Rogue game 1 Lolllllll. Seriously how did he win that, hes on another level.
Taeja played so well game 1&2 against rogue and then went downhill. Can't believe he lost vs super. I so hoped for taeja/rogue rematch
@@keep7smiling He played very well but he has these lapses in focus like 51:44 that add up and ultimately keep him from being one of the top terrans.
Hahaha mass chagelot go zoooooommmmmm
Does anyone know the name of the song at 6:20 ?
What is that hard pumping intro music before they go into game ? Dammit
Heart of the swarm remix
Darude - Sandstorm
Now you guys are just taking the piss 😂😂
@@InXtGam3r I actually thought it was, but couldn't find it, so I was wrong
3:03:02 that hellion fancy dance
lmao nice catch
rogue is in the dark Kappa
Still flabbergasted Solar is teamless...
Tsg disbanded
47:25 so boldly confident when he’s completely wrong 🤦🏻♂️
Rogue is the sc2 goat? What happened to mvp....mma...MC...bomber..parting..dongraegue..nestea
In terms of rogues premier tournament wins hes on a VERY short list of people on par with him
Damn solar with the spanking
Wow tastosis got a gaymin monitah
Cool to have 'new' players in season 2, but the games so far are much less interesting than season 1. Scarlett we rooting for ya.
Did they pay them to wear those shirts?... Same in every picture. They even look freshly unpacked with big creases in em' XD
Artosis: Look, he can't target down the banes. There's no way!
Rogue: *targets down the banes*
Artosis: ...
Confirmed by tastosis.. PvP is cancer
3:12:59 Inno w/ the Old English "Innovation" finger tats ...uncrossing his arms w/ chants in the background....[instant nerd chillz + goosebumps + slight hard-on].
Does anyone happen to know the song played at the beginning of the stream?
I've been looking for it for 15-20 minutes but have not found it yet.
You can prob try with shazam if you listen to the stream on a laptop
@@UnholyRenton I tried Shazam and it didn't give any result other than 1 wrong result on second try.
This sounds like Faye Wong singing in english - but I can't be sure.
This song is now officially the biggest secret on the internet.
Not gonna lie, this stalker meta looks stupid. Mass stalkers, suicide blink them onto things and a-move, warp in more with 15 gateways, do it again. Defeat higher tech armies with attrition before they can rebuild. The casters try to announce it like it's more complex but...
I get it, exploiting the fact Terran needs time to rebuild. It's just so cancerous to think that micro and player skill doesn't matter once you get enough gateways and derpstalker in. Watching Protoss treat stalkers like swarm host locusts is so... sigh. The worst part about it is that Protoss are in such a weird place right now that if they refined stalker gameplay then Protoss would be back in that awkward place a few years ago where they were just cheese or lose, AKA the meta that forged Has.
Nailed it. And it has been a style for a long time. I mean, I follow Sc2 E-sports for years now and I immediately recognized this style when I think it was sOs but something tells me he was more of an obscure Korean Sc2 pro. Anyway, I recognized this flaw in the game design and figured this is why people don't go mech'donalds but it's making a come back. TaeJa at the end of Game 3 vs. Super should've build two bunkers on front of his tank line with his infantry that he built. He had like 10 marines. It's possible that was his plan, I don't understand the two missile turrets at third for Observer deterrence. If he had a few bunkers and the Cyclones behind the Hellbats and Marines in bunkers he could've held but Super saw his horrible army positioning and leapt on him. His plan I think originally was the flank that Artosis was talking about.
@@dukevallenheim9262 It's tough because the stalker collapse in doesn't even have to trade well, as you immediately have another collapse in of stalkers seconds later. If they just thin out an army they can overwhelm it, and by the time the Terran reproduces an army the Protoss has reinforced the next stalker wave and can just repeat it.
Build up minerals, build up gateways, get a warp prism, get warp gates, free win. The only counter I've seen has been abysmal stalker micro where they sit under liberators and don't target fire them down.
Taeja lost to zealots and stalkers 😭
Can someone explain to me why Gyuri Moon did not look at Scarlett once during the interview when she beat Rogue 2-0 advancing to RO.16??? Is it because she's a fan of Rogue and was upset that he lost or she has something against Scarlett??
In the interview u could tell she was faking her smile the whole time, and it made me feel uncomfortable seeing this host acting so fake in front of people, she should be replaced
S. Korea is and always has been hostile to the LGBT community. Same sex relationships are considered illegal and was upheld by their supreme court in 2017 - though they are rarely prosecuted these days, it is possible to receive a 1 year sentence for a same-sex relationship.
@@vhulheim I understand that Asians are more reserved and traditional, I'm Asian myself...and I do understand that Asians may look at the LGBT community in a different way...but that host in probably in her twenties, in pains me to see someone that young still look at people the traditional way...who is she to judge what kind of person is Scarlett... Scarlett can choose whatever she wants to be, she doesn't need to hide it just because people might not feel different about it. This is a international game show being broadcast across the globe, if people saw how the host doesn't even look at the person she's talking to, people are going to view Koreans as judgmental type of race just because someone is different. It's a bad look for GSL imho, but that's just me.
@@Renjico00 You're preaching to the choir
super?
whats he play?
it was BROODWAR)
1:03:50 NUKE PARADISE
Taeja play better strategically than Maru except for that stupid Hellbat build but the reason he lose is that he don't do some simple thing like literally spend 1 sec to right click on an hatchery to finish it.
Strategically? The reason he is out of the tournament, is because of his silly misunderstandings of mech vs the build of super. If he simply understood the strategic thing to do with what he had, he would have won those fairly easily.
His micro is somewhat great at times, but he misses some critical things, like the hatch you mentioned, or that bane hit. I just don't think he has it all together yet. He definitely needs to polish his TvP.
Artosis said support bay instead of robotics bay... he plays too much sc
taeja lol
why? :D
Upvote this to keep spoilers away
Taeja turtled so much against super in the 3rd game that got me really confused since he was supposed to be the favorite to win, I’m very disappointed in taeja the most
Taeja was terrible with his tanks. He needs a spanking from TY.
year 2030 and Tastosis still have not realized the roaches popped out and killed solar's scouting ling right when the ling spotted the morphling roach warren. That was how Solar knew about the roach all-in and defended the push flawlessly as he did.
Taeja metal gear solid cloak ninja snipers! omg 1:08:20 ... and on. before time stamp he intentionally kills every overseer
where is Scarlett?
At 1:34:00 Artosis had a funny speech seize up
Well eui weu weu.. Technically
Wtf! Players aren't in boxes anymore..wtf is afreecatv where is gomtv.. and why is tasteless' voice so high pitch. I haven't watched GSL in nearly 10 years!! Wow
Taeja lost his mojo. It's a shame, he was the best terran in the world for a while.
Zerg OP?
Yeah Zerg OP
Lol Zerg Players complaining there race isnt good and its pretty much just zerg advancing past the RO24.
get out protoss, nice job Rogue
Super: proof that anyone can make it to GSL.
fruit
puggets
Super.....lousy...hahahaha
1:04:00
wtf are these korean ads
lmao
Dude Taeja deserved to advance. So sad.
wtf is this music? are you trying to get people to not watch before the games even begin??????
Serral - 0 IEM, 0 Dreamhack, 0 WESG, 0 Code S (not even qualified)
goat? apart from 1 blizzcon and several show matches, he has only won tournaments consisting of pure foreigners.
He is very good sure; but tournament record is one that should matter if we talk about GOAT. You have to beat everyone when it matters to be the greatest.
taeja and polt were the same, they pretty much only played foreign tournaments but you dont see the same comparison with them.
Why would Serral try to qualify for Code S when he doesnt want to live in Korea to play SC2? That's like saying Tyson Fury is a garbage boxer because he didn't compete in the olympics. I don't even like Serral, but its hard to deny that he was one of the best/is the best zerg in lotv. He 3-1'd TY, Trap, Classic, in super tournament, and 2-0'd Cure, TY, and sOs 3-1'd Innovation at katowice. He also completely smashed Maru twice in two different occasions during the time when they were both considered to be the strongest players on the planet.
@@Sapreme smashed Maru twice?? I only know of him winning a 1-0 against Maru once. And Maru smashed 3-0 Serral once. Maybe you can give me the matches where he smashed Maru.
@@Sapreme
1) "Pure foreigners" , not "foreign tournament".
Foreign tournaments were pretty much Korean tournaments back then; or at least 50%. Certainly not the same as Korean-banned WCS circuits.
2) Nobody is saying "garbage boxer" or player.
I even said that he is very good.
3) Can you link me the "super tournament" he was in?
4) Can you also link me "twice" he defeated Maru? I only recall GSL vs the World showmatch in a best of 1. He lost to Maru 0:3 in best of 5 in WESG. His win for the IEM EU qualifier is stretching it as that was played in EU server.
5) Katowice? He never won any championships. Never even reached the finals. Sure he beat a lot of top Koreans, so did Neeb and Scarlett.
6) Not too familiar with Boxing. However, it's objectively true that GSL Code S is the hardest tournament of all. Tournaments where Koreans are allowed, you don't see any foreigners go past round of 8. Serral has done well by achieving top 4 a lot of the time, but that's it, foreigners still foreigners; although by living in Korea, they've improved a ton. Except for Serral which is impressive.
7) "doesnt want to live in Korea" is not an excuse. I respect his choice. However, we are talking about GOAT; not player's living preferences. This is not saying however that qualifying for Code S is a must. Winning Blizzcon twice (like s0s) is an achievement, winning any IEM, Dreamhack, WESG is also an achievement. Korean banned-WCS circuits as well; but I'd argue that those are minor tournaments - and Neeb probably has comparable record for that.
Again, with these kind of arguments, my main argument is ignored.
Let me repeat:
Tournament record is one that should matter if we talk about GOAT. You have to beat everyone when it matters the most.
"matters the most" in my opinion is prize money. And in the case of Code S, it's the achievement.
Again, please respond to my arguments. Don't ignore them.
In his prime I saw him come out of nowhere to carry the entire foreign team and convincingly snap all the Koreans in half in GSL vs The World. It was actually rather disgusting, to the point of making people saw him as an antagonist to be defeated for over a year and started calling him a sith lord (partly due to the meme of his resting face and the red/dark lighting he seemed to always be under).
The commentary afterwards featured the Koreans reeling and confused. They were saying things like "He had no weaknesses, what could we do?", "I thought he was just lucky but it kept happening", "The zerglings to spot ... others will do this too now".
@@fuzzwobble Yeah indeed that was incredible.
However, I'd argue that unknown strong players consistently have an advantage of being unknown. And it would just be a matter of time when players start paying attention to the VODs. And this verified with his 0 championships (apart from 1 blizzcon) in succeeding Premier tournaments where Koreans are not banned.
The show match GSL vs the World was also ran in the midst of a GSL Code S tournament, I doubt players would show their hands in the showmatches.
So boring watching roach ravager every single game.
SC2 according to terrans:
Patch terran on the terran map pool = balanced and great/fun map pool.
Zerg wins three tournaments beating terrans that never clear creep spread = Broken game. Pls nerf zerg again.
Protoss Vs zerg 70% lose
Super is so bad.
Im a fan of Teaja but that was the worst play I’ve seen from him
Qué malo es Taeja
...do i dream or Zerg are OP ? really, tons of gsl, tons of esl, tons of dream hack...., tons of vids and replay, and what i only see/saw : only zerg rules // Mr Blizzard NERF them !!!
I play Terran and I'll say what I've been saying for *years:* Bio is completely fucking broken. There's no way Z and P should need T3 units to deal with shit that comes from the first building a Terran makes.
Wearing a mask while playing a computer game...
Artosis can only reach Gold these days, so what do you expect from his childish commentating?
he doesn't even play sc2, but ok i guess. keep making things up
how tasteles its still casting,the worst caster ever he just have no idea of the game i bet i didnt played sc2 ever,honestly would prefer to watch this in korean ,artosis is great i feel sad for him
Short answer:
A vast majority of players are entertained by him. You are part of the minority.
Looking more general than just SC2 commentary, sports commentary is often one expert and one commenter. Tasteless is the commenter.
Artosis is thoroughly entertained by having Tasteless there.
Please refrain from posting hurtful comments without any argument supporting your point of view.
Longer answer:
I'm going to break your comment into its parts and argue them all:
"how tasteles its still casting" - There is both a public demand and for AfreecaTV it would serve no purpose to change a working formula.
"the worst caster ever" - His popularity is empirical evidence of the opposite
"he just have no idea of the game" - That is an exageration. He does not know the names of things, but he does know about player styles, standard strategies, proxy locations, map specific strategies etc. He is not the most knowledgeable, but he does know a lot.
"i bet i didnt played sc2 ever" - Whether or not you played the game doesn't matter for any of this. This leads me to believe that you meant that Tasteless never played the game. He did, he was on team EG and played a bit (though he was mainly a manager of EG's SC2 division).
"honestly would prefer to watch this in korean" - Nobody is stopping you.
"artosis is great i feel sad for him" - Have you not noticed how much joy Tasteless brings Artosis in every cast? There are times when Artosis is muted because he can't stop laughing at something Tasteless said. How can that be sad for Artosis? Artosis has got the Pylon show for true nerdiness while game commentary is entertainment. Artosis has got both parts.
Hey come on man, Tasteless is more of a showman/entertainer rather than a caster... Artosis is the more analytical one and indeed knows the game a lot better. Overall I think they are a great duo, they complement each other very well and have really good chemistry. Sometimes they also make hilarious jokes, sometimes they are annoying as well...
Sir please just watch this in Korean and refrain from commentating in GSL English section ever again. Thank you.
I would agree that Tasteless is not as analytical as before but I think that makes up his cues and color commentary. He and Artosis are for me the best e-sport casting duo in the biz. Yeah even better than Tobiwan and Synd.
Plz go watch the Korean version. o/