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Why did allah send the eternal and protected book last instead of first?
Well apparently the Quran is not eternal and will return to Allan
And why it was send in Arabic and why allah understand prayer only in Arabic . But muslims will not think and ask this question .
@@christmylord9663 Not only that why do allah want us to bow down to stone to worship him.
Good point
@@tonyjohnson8762 Allan. lmfaooooo
Love it, Chris! Youâve done your homework. Apply the same logic on Quran and destroy it for ever. You have the Spirit of Truth with you, Brother!
i really love watching Chris, i learn so much from me.
2 timothy 2:12
If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
â@@generaljg4373 Christmas has nothing to do with Paganism. IP has demonstrated that there is no link between Paganism and Christmas tradition. Isolating Catholic traditions to generalize all Christians is a sweeping Generalization fallacy.
@@generaljg4373 welcome troll lols now you can go and fiddle your women folks
@@generaljg4373 lol you just a lonely foolish
@@generaljg4373
Hey troll
@Logician_Bones tore apart your brother AH and his Trinity and Bible arguments, to shreds đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Check out @Godlogics channel comments , around 400 are there, and your AH has his tail between his legs đ€Łđ€Ł
@@generaljg4373
Mohamed was a Stone kisser!
That makes you too!đđđđ
Different versions of the arabic koo-rans:
1. Qaloon
2. Al-Susi (Ibn Katheer)
3. Khallad
4. Idrees
5. Warsh
6. Hafs Ad-Duri (Abu Amro alBasri)
7. Al-Laith
8. al-Bazzi
9. Al-Azraq
10. As-Susi (Abu Amro alBasri)
11. Ad-Duri (alKisaâi)
12. Ibn Shanboodh
13. Al-Asbahaani
14. Hisham
15. Isa BinWardan
16. Sulayman
17. al-Bazzi
18. Ibn Dhakwan
19. Ibn Jammaz
20. Ahmad bin Farah
21. Qunbul
22. Showba
23. Ruwais
24. Shujaaâ bin Abi Nasr Al-Balakhi
25. Abu Amro Al-Ala
26. Hafs
27. Ruh
28. Al-Duri (alHasan
alBasri)
29. Hafs Al-Duri (Ibn
Katheer)
30. Khalf
31. Ishaq
32. Al-Hasan bin Said Al-Matuuâi
33. Abu Farah Al-Shan-
budhi
According to Ibn-i Abbas there are 6616 verses in the ko-ooran.
Nafi: 6217 verses
Shayba: 6214 verses
Scholars of Egypt: 6226 verses
Zamahshari: 6666 verses
How many verses should the ko-ooran really have?
*200 verses missing from Surah Al-Ahzab*
It was narrated by âAbdullah the son of Imam Ahmad in Zawaaâid al-Musnad (21207), âAbd ar-Razzaaq in al-Musannaf (599), Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh (4428), al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak (8068), al-Bayhaqi in as-Sunan (16911), Ibn Hazm in al-Muhalla (12/175), via âAasim ibn Bahdalah, from Zirr, who said: Ubayy ibn Kaâb said to me: How long is Soorat al-Ahzaab when you read it? Or how many verses do you think it is? I said to him: Seventy-three verses. He said: Only? There was a time when it was a long as Soorat al-Baqarah, and we read in it: âThe old man and the old woman, if they commit zina, then stone them both, a punishment from Allah, and Allah is Almighty, Most Wise.â
Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
This is a clearly saheeh isnaad, as clear as the sun, in which there is no fault. End quote.
Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
This is a hasan isnaad. This implies that there were more verses in it, then the wording and ruling were both abrogated. And Allah knows best.
End quote from Tafseer Ibn Katheer (6/335)
@@generaljg4373
Your ko-ooran is from 1924. Queen Elizabeth is older than your ko-ooran. If you don't believe me go ask sha-beer ali đ€Ł
@@generaljg4373 having doubts bradherrr...apostate now bradherrr
34. Ibn hustler
If Uthman had memorised all the Qur'an and he was a Sahaba, why did he have to collect the other Qur'anic material? Doesn't that tell you he couldn't trust his own memory?
Given the above proposition, since he made the final decision on what made the final cut, why did he need to gather the other Qur'anic material?
No narrative they have makes any sense... Its totally Muslim logic... We will never pretend to understand anything they way they do... They want us to prove them right... Yet they want the impossible evidence which they don't have themselves to prove to us that they know what they believe and can communicate it without saying Allah knows best and threaths of violence to anyone who disagrees... This is how they insult our intelligence and our beliefs and our Books... Its sickening that most of them dont understand or read their own books and pretend to know Arabic... They are just parroting the same lies over and over again like their sheikhs and imams... They follow false teaching, they have no choice but to accept false beliefs and opinions... When they are confused and confronted and corrected they panic and cry victim because they brought it on themselves but they still call us liars when we quote their scholars and books... This is an admission that they know their books and scholars are all lies as they refuse to accept it... They think the sources quoted on Wikipedia and Google can't be trusted yet if the same sources are quoted by Islamic propaganda websites they will also reject it when it's embarrassing... Islam is a joke
He had too much wine
Uthman was the impossible prophet of Islam who burnt all the Qurans, without any evidence of the original manuscript sources all muslims have are their narratives and vain imagination!
@@dundadunda552 Yes & he was a scammer..đ€Šđœââïžđ€Šââïžđ€Š
Chris reminds me very much of Paper Boy. Well done Chris!
Great job Chris đđđđđđđđđđđđ»âŁïžđ»
Well done Chris, May the Spirit of The LORD JESUS CHRIST be with you...
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, âJesus is Lord,â and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your âgoodâ is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a âsnot ragâ. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, âlike as rags of menstruation.â
Sorry if that disgusts you, but itâs Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiahâs language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says âAs for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.â Thatâs how hopeless we are apart from Godâs work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
@@generaljg4373 according to the quran mohammad is a pedophile
@@syedhasan5861 and you will say that dirty water where menstrual blood and rags and dead dogs is clean according to the bedouin scientist called momo?
@@generaljg4373 get your cult to stop killing people.
@@generaljg4373 Mohammed believes women should be enslaved and raped
Quran is well preserved is an empty wish.
@@generaljg4373 lol no original Quran.
Which of the 37 different Arabic quran is the word of allah? đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
@@jackiechan6701 none,, the Quran only has Jewish myths like Sulaiman and his flying carpets, Sulaiman building castles with the help of Jins. These Jewish myths can't be found in Torah neither in Zabur but in Jewish mythologies. The question is : how did they get into Quran??
He doesnât trust wikipedia, but he trusts the coran. Is that a joke or what ?
@@generaljg4373 *200 verses missing from Surah Al-Ahzab*
It was narrated by âAbdullah the son of Imam Ahmad in Zawaaâid al-Musnad (21207), âAbd ar-Razzaaq in al-Musannaf (599), Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh (4428), al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak (8068), al-Bayhaqi in as-Sunan (16911), Ibn Hazm in al-Muhalla (12/175), via âAasim ibn Bahdalah, from Zirr, who said: Ubayy ibn Kaâb said to me: How long is Soorat al-Ahzaab when you read it? Or how many verses do you think it is? I said to him: Seventy-three verses. He said: Only? There was a time when it was a long as Soorat al-Baqarah, and we read in it: âThe old man and the old woman, if they commit zina, then stone them both, a punishment from Allah, and Allah is Almighty, Most Wise.â
Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
This is a clearly saheeh isnaad, as clear as the sun, in which there is no fault. End quote.
Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
This is a hasan isnaad. This implies that there were more verses in it, then the wording and ruling were both abrogated. And Allah knows best.
End quote from Tafseer Ibn Katheer (6/335)
Which of the 37 different Arabic quran is the word of allah? đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Wikipedia should be the least trusted source on the internet
@@Thanos-kp5jr
Really? Why should I trust you then ? And above all the coran ?
@@giannidigianni4173 "really"? - yes wikipedia is not a valid source of information anyone can edit on the page
"Why should i trust you then"? - nowhere did i say that you should trust me at all
"And above all the qu'ran"? - i do not trust the qu'ran and i take it you do not either
Chris reading from islamic sources.
The muslim man says âgive me evidence!â
Chris is not making a claim, he just reading it from your islamic sources⊠it is you muslims who need to find the evidence ⊠not chris
Oh Dear...the cognitive dissonance of the young muslim guy is amazing. I just wonder if he really doesn't understand what is being said about koranic preservation or if he really is this deluded.
@Crisanto Ballen yes, agree. very sad
Chris is really switched on. Jesus is Lord đ
PEACEKEEPERS WILL COME AND START A DISPUTEđ€
@@generaljg4373
đ€Łđ€ŁABDUL COME HERE TO WASTE TIMEđ
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, âJesus is Lord,â and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your âgoodâ is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a âsnot ragâ. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, âlike as rags of menstruation.â
Sorry if that disgusts you, but itâs Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiahâs language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says âAs for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.â Thatâs how hopeless we are apart from Godâs work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
Chris u are good, so calm and brilliant
It would be interesting to have the Muslims gather half a dozen or so Quranic experts that claim they have memorized it and each of them writes their own version and compare them to the original. That would put an end to their outrageous claim in a big hurry.
Lol. True brother
Their claims are really stupid. Not so much people could remember that.
@@cohendarwin5365 People know they are full of shit but nobody ever calls them out on it so they just continue to spread their outlandish lies hoping if they repeat it often people will believe their lies.
Thereâs June! I was just asking where he was the other day. Glad to see him still in the Grace and Love of God.
@@elcucuy379 u prob think Constantine invented Christianity donât ya?
@@elcucuy379
The Islamic god is the Pagan moon god.
@@elcucuy379 That wipes Islam from history.
@@elcucuy379 if that is true no christianity before 4th century why did muhammed confirm there book and them cenury later either he is lying or you abdul
@@elcucuy379 ur full of funnies today. Constantine legalized Christianity ya goofball. Go learn some history that doesnât include mhameden history and come back for a chat đ€Ą
I was rocking to June until you changed the angle, lol,thank you JC and your crew SOCO films đ„
Everyone else from speakers corner and the soco team should learn from Chris he's calm and factual manor is exactly how you do with the Muslims at speakers corner
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, âJesus is Lord,â and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your âgoodâ is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a âsnot ragâ. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, âlike as rags of menstruation.â
Sorry if that disgusts you, but itâs Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiahâs language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says âAs for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.â Thatâs how hopeless we are apart from Godâs work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
Aha.. but have you noticed the attitude of the abduls in the park or anywhere in the worldâŠalways exhibit aggressiveness and seldom listen with intent of wanting to learn. Attack and lie and deny is their motoâŠplus stupid arrogance coupled with ignorance. CHRISTIANS are actually teaching them of their messed up ideology.
@@generaljg4373 thank you believer of mooon god allah for clarification
@@generaljg4373 mine is superior to urs đč
@@ProudZeme the funny thing is even if you do want to all religions are man-made Jesus Christ's teachings are clearly the best if the whole world follow Jesus Christ's teaching the world would be a better place facts
Ubayy ibn Kaâbâs Quran had 2 extra surahs, al-Khalâ and al-Hafd, (Al-Suyuti, Durr al-Manthur vol.8, p.695)
Al-Khalâ âO Allah, we seek help and forgiveness from You. We praise You with goodness. We do not disbelieve in You. We disown and leave whoever rejects You.
Al-Hafd âO Allah, we worship You. We pray and prostrate to You and seek you earnestly. We hope for your mercy and fear your torture. Your torture will fall on the disbelievers.â
These 2 extra surahs, al-Khalâ and al-Hafd, were in Ubayy ibn Kaâbâs Quran (Al-Suyuti, Durr al-Manthur vol.8, p.695).
Al-Suyuti also records: They were both in Abu Musa al-Ashariâs mushaf (Al-Itqan fi Ulum vol.1, p.104,152-153), that Hajr had Al-Khalâ and that Ibn Abbas had al-Hafd in their mushafs (Al-Suyuti, Durr al-Manthur vol.8, p.695).
âAnas said âBy Allah, they (the two) were sent down (from) none other than from heavenâ. (ditto)
Abu Abdul-Rahman Al-Sulami used to recite them and claimed that Ibn Masâud recited them (Al-Suyuti, Durr al-Manthur vol.15, p.814).
at least the muslim guy is having a decent conversation
I find the muslims very annoying. They will ask a question and you can spend ten minutes answering the question and they will ask the same question again. They either don't listen or don't like what they are told.
Truly annoying đ
theyr mostly uneducated they think the quran is all the education they need. And they start discussions with very limited knowledge about anything but wont concede ever because of ignorance and arrogance
@@generaljg4373 it's not our problem, you find it confusing, learn to be genuine instead of just repeating nonsense dawah points
@@generaljg4373 Islam cant even make up which quran is the true word of allah 10+10+10+1=1 preserved quran? This is talking about something finite yet we still find a big hole in the narrativesđđđđđ
They are fully aware of what they are doing... Its all about silencing their opponents... Its a type of jihad... They are not willing to listen because they are commanded to humiliate and subjugate, deceive etc... And when they find that their techniques are not working they call you a liar and cry victim
'Monogenes' I think is the Greek word translated as "only begotten' It means one of a kind.
He start to get emotional when Chris conner him.đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Chris is very knowledgeable
@@generaljg4373
37 ko-oorans =? ko-oorans
Eight months ago, in speaks Connor he was running from the camera and now you are saying he is very knowledgeable
@@generaljg4373 And you do not want to debate islam, hence, your dodging of islamic topics and running to christianity.
@@omom4248
mansewer, shamsi, hashim, hijab, ali dawah are still running
â@@generaljg4373 1+1+1
as a human you have 3 in you thats make you one..
your flesh, your spirit, your title
same as Jesus when he took form as a human,
He got flesh, title and a spirit,
the flesh of jesus
the spirit of God in him.
and his title as Messiah..
sorry for my english, english is not my first language...
Good to see June
Aisha said that roughly two-thirds of Surah 33 was lost: Abu Ubaid, Kitab Fadaâil-al-Qurâan-Aâisha . . . said, âSurat al-Ahzab used to be recited in the time of the Prophet with two hundred verses, but when Uthman wrote out the codices he was unable to procure more of it than there is in it today [73 verses].â According to Aisha, the collectors simply couldnât find all of Surah 33. because many huffaz were killed at the Battle of Yamama. Apparently, no one who knew the entire chapter survived.
If Mohammad said, learn the quran from 4 people,Abdullah bin Masud, Salim, Mu'adh & Ubai bin Ka'b.But, the quran today is from Hafâs.The same Hafâs whoâs considered a liar according to many Islamic scholars đ€Šđœââïžđ€Šââïžđ€Š
1. Surah 2.275 begins with the words Allathiina yaakuluunar-ribaa laa yaquumuuna - "those who devour usury will not stand". Ibn Mas'ud's text had the same introduction but after the last word there was added the expression yawmal qiyaamati, that is, they would not be able to stand on the "Day of Resurrection". The variant is mentioned in Abu Ubaid's Kitab Fadhail al-Qur'an (cf. Nöldeke, Geschichte, 3.63; Jeffery, Materials, p.31). The variant was also recorded in the codex of Talha ibn Musarrif, a secondary codex dependent on Ibn Mas'ud's text, Taiha likewise being based at Kufa in Iraq where Ibn Mas'ud was based as governor and where his codex was widely followed (Jeffery, p.343).
2. Surah 5.91, in the standard text, contains the exhortation fasiyaamu thalaathati ayyaamin' - "fast for three days". Ibn Mas'ud's text had, after the last word, the adjective mutataabi'aatin, meaning three "successive" days. The variant derives from at-Tabari (7.19.11 - cf. Nöldeke, 3.66; Jeffery, p.40) and was also mentioned by Abu Ubaid. This variant reading was, significantly, found in Ubayy ibn Ka'b's text as well (Jeffery, p.129) and in the texts of Ibn Abbas (p.199) and Ibn Mas'ud's pupil Ar-Rabi ibn Khuthaim (p.289).
3. Surah 6.153 begins Wa anna haathaa siraatii - "Verily this is my path". Ibn Mas'ud's text read Wa haathaa siraatu rabbakum - "This is the path of Your Lord". The variant derives again from at-Tabari (8.60.16 - cf. Nöldeke 3.66; Jeffery, p.42). Ubayy ibn Ka'b had the same reading, except that for rabbakum his text read rabbika (Jeffery, p.131). The secondary codex of Al-A'mash, mentioned by Ibn Abi Dawud in his Kitab al-Masahif (p.91), also began with the variant wa haathaa as in the texts of Ibn Mds'ud and Ubayy ibn Ka'b (Jeffery, p.318). Ibn Abi Dawud also adds a further variant, suggesting that Ibn Mas'ud read the word siraat with the Arabic letter sin rather than the standard sad (Kitab al-Masahif, p.61).
4. Surah 33.6 contains the following statement about the relationship between Muhammad's wives and the believers: wa azwaajuhuu ummahaatuhuu - "and his wives are their mothers". Ibn-Mas'ud's text added the words wa huwa abuu laahum - "and he is their father". The variant was also recorded by at-Tabari (21.70.8 - cf. Nöldeke 3.71; Jeffery p.75). This variant was likewise recorded in the codices of Ubayy ibn Ka'b (Jeffery, p.156) as well as those of Ibn Abbas (p.204), Ikrima (p.273) and Mujahid ibn Jabr (p.282), except that in these three cases the statement that Muhammad is the father of the believers precedes that which makes his wives their mothers. In the codex of Ar-Rabi ibn Khuthaim, however, where the variant also occurs, it is placed in the same position in the text as in the codices of Ibn Mas'ud and Ubayy (p.298). The considerable number of references for this variant reading argue strongly for its possible authenticity over and against its omission in the codex of Zaid ibn Thabit.
These four examples are of texts where the variant consisted of the inclusion of extra words or clauses not found in Zaid's codex and, in each case, the variant is supported by inclusion in other codices, notably those included in Ubayy's text. The majority of variants, however, relate to consonantal variants in individual words or different forms of these words. In some cases whole words were omitted, such as in Surah 112.1 where Ibn Mas'ud omitted the word qul - "say" as did Ubayy ibn Ka'b (Fihrist S.26 Z.26 - cf. Nöldeke 3.77; Jeffery, pp. 113 and 180).
In other cases the variant related to the form of a word which also slightly altered its meaning, as in Surah 3.127 where Ibn Mas'ud and Ubayy both read wa saabiquu ("be ahead") for wa saari'uu ("be quick") in the standard text (cf. Nöldeke, 3.64; Jeffery, pp. 34 and 125).
In yet other cases one single word might be added not affecting the sense of the text, as in Surah 6.16 where once again both Ibn Mas'ud and Ubayy recorded the same variant, namely yusrifillaahu - "averted by Allah" - for the standard yusraf - "averted" (recorded from Maki's Kitab al-Kasf, cf. Nöldeke, 3.66; Jeffery, pp. 40 and 129).
These are but a small selection of the hundreds of variant readings between the texts of Ibn Mas'ud and Zaid giving a rough idea of the kind of differences that existed between their codices.
articles dealing with the compilation of the Qur'an and the early Qur'an manuscripts are:
Caetani, L. Uthman and the Recension of the Koran. Volume 5, p.380. (1915).
Jeffery, A. Abu Ubaid on Verses Missing from the Qur'an. Volume 28, p.61. (1938).
Jeffery, A. Progress in the Study of the Qur'an Text. Volume 25. p.4. (1935).
Margoliouth, D.S. Textual Variations of the Koran. Volume 15, p.334. (1925).
Mendelsohn, I. The Columbia University Copy of the Samarqand Kufic Qur'an. Volume 30, p.375. (1940).
Mingana, A. The Transmission of the Koran. Volume 7, p.223. (1917).
In addition to these works reference will constantly be made to the following works published in South Africa and which are referred to in the Introduction:
Abdul Kader, A.S. How the Quran was Compiled. Al-Balaagh, Vol. 11, No.2, Johannesburg, South Africa, May/June 1986.
Desai, Maulana. The Quraan Unimpeachable. Mujlisul Ulama of South Africa, Port Elizabeth, South Africa. May 1987.
Siddique, Dr. Kaukab. Quran is NOT Allah's Word says Christian Lay Preacher. Al-Balaagh, Vol. 11, No. 1, Johannesburg, South Africa. February/March 1986.
@23:34 the TWO PEOPLE who are mentioned as disagreeing ( there could be more but we know these two did) were two of the four greatest reciters of the Koran according to mohammad.
Marijn van putten exposes the muslim claim about the perfect preservation of the ko-oorans:
When the 3rd caliph ÊżUáčŻmÄn b. ÊżAffÄn tasked the committee led by Zayd b. áčźÄbit to write the official Mushaf, he is said to have told them "write it in the language of the Quraysh, for it has been revealed in their tongue." This seems incompatible with the canonical readings.
While today there are 10 accepted canonical readings, with 2 transmissions each which can differ quite significantly in their linguistic details, *not a single one of them agrees with the universally agreed upon linguistic features of Hijazi (or more specifically Qurashi) Arabic.*
Words of Scholar Marijn Van Putten:
But if one says that any two muáčŁáž„afs are word-by-word identical, that is clearly incorrect. Even between the two most popular transmissions today, កafáčŁ and WarĆĄ, they do have different words in certain places in the Quran.
Yes. Because formulated like that, it is absolutely wrong, and the Quran is not preserved. (when asked if the quran was preserved word for word)
Does anyone know the sources that talk about 116 surahs? It would be great to get some hard references.
There is no contradiction with the quote from Ezekiel we do not inherit sin we inherit the consequences of sin.
This same quality of transmission we find regarding the Jewish and Christian bible cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an. The Islamic Qur'an was mostly written down from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and from a few thoughts written on scrap papers, palm leaves and stones --and compiled over 150 years after Muhammad died in 632 A.D. In the Mishtatu âlMasabih, chapter 3, we are informed that by the command of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, the text of the Qurâan was âcollectedâ by Zaid ibn Thabit âfrom palm leaves and stones and from the breasts of those who had learned by heartâ the various revelations." Abu Bakrâs copy came into the possession of Hafsah, one of Muhammadâs widows. Qustalani states that after Hafsahâs death her copy was torn to pieces by Mirwan, who was governor of Medina.
CHRIST REALLY NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH BECAUSE THE 2 MISSING VERSE ARE THE BRESTFEEDING AND THE STONING VERSE
well done Chris. I've had conversations with family members that didn't want to hear anything from non members. I told them if you have the truth, then look these arguments up in your own sources and debunk them! then you'll know you have the truth. but if they are in your legitimate sources, then you have a problem.
This guy is really testing chris' patience đ.. seriously though why do all muslims claim they dont know each other, surely he wouldve heard of mohammed hijab if he does dawah?
Nice discussion
According to Scholar Shady Nasser of Harvard University there were over 50 different readings of the ko-ooran in the 10th century:
âAbĆ« al-QÄsim al-HudhalÄ« (d. 465/1072-1073) compiled al-KÄmil fÄ« al-QirÄâÄt al-âAshr wa-l-ArbaâÄ«n al-ZÄâidah âalayhÄ in which *fifty variant Readings of the QurâÄn* were collected and documented. This book is considered to be one of the most extensive books on QirÄâat.â
-Shady Hekmat Nasser, The Transmission of the Variant Readings of the QurâÄn: The Problem of Tawatur and the Emergence of Shawadhdh
Send him to CP .
One is âAAAAAA begotten sonâ-David. Other â THE BEGOTTEN SONâ, according to Muslims , itâs the same thing ??..đ€Šđ€Šđœââïžđ€Šââïž
Narrated Masruq: Abdullah bin Mas'ud was mentioned before Abdullah bin Amr who said, "That is a man I still love, as I heard the Prophet (saw) saying, 'Learn the recitation of the Qur'an from four: from Abdullah bin Mas'ud - he started with him - Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Mu'adh bin Jabal and Ubai bin Ka'b". (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 5, p.96)
This Abdulâs only defence is to talk loud rather than use common sense, they love to argue thatâs all.
Brother Chris has a nice way of putting accross his point of view though the abdools are hard nut đ„ to crack.
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, âJesus is Lord,â and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your âgoodâ is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a âsnot ragâ. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, âlike as rags of menstruation.â
Sorry if that disgusts you, but itâs Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiahâs language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says âAs for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.â Thatâs how hopeless we are apart from Godâs work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
@@syedhasan5861 My friend I love Jesusâïžâ€ and nothing can separate me from the love of Christ. Jesus preached what He practiced n practiced what he preached unlike ur fake profit Muhammad who lies buried dead who did not repent but cursed the non-muslims on his dead bed and whom u defend in vain at the cost of ur soul to hellfiređ„. So accept Jesus as ur Lord n Saviour b4 it is too late for u.
@33 the argument made is the the Sahara consensus on the Koran prevailed. But
1. Ibn masud and ubay ibn kaab were regarded by mohammad as the best memorised of the Koran
2. If Allah preserved it there is no need for the Sahara to negotiate what changes thy approve
3. Uthman decided . He didn't consult the Sahara. He put a committee of his nephews on the jib. No Sahara.
21:35 were they removed because they were irrelevant or because they were contradictory. Either way argument won.
Abdallah ibn masud had 111 surahs he did not recognized surah 1,112&113 as part of the Quran
@@generaljg4373 substantiate your claim with evidence then and only then you'll be taken seriously
@@elcucuy379 was he involved in any of the compilations even when he was recommended by the prophet as an authority on Quran and 3 others viz ubay bin kaab,muadhz bib jabal and Salim the slave of abu huzaifa none of them was involved in the first compilation under abubakar's watch and the revision under uthman he even asked his followers to never give their qurans when uthman demanded any other conflicting version be brought for onward crimation to stop the reading of variant qurans,ubay was asking some people that visited him about the number of verses in surah al ahzab they responded 73 he said they used to recite it it was similar in length and severity as surah baqara which means over 200 verses are missing in only one chapter you can see how preserved the Quran is and even today there are more than 30 different Arabic qurans and none is the same as the other.
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Those chains were invented 200 years after muhummud đ€
Bro chrissđđ the next great debater in speaker cornee
Surat 9:5
Surat 3:54
Surat 5:51
Surat 55: 72-74
Surat 35:31
Vol3, book 9, hadith 1944.
If i bring them out in writing their collaborator CZcams will delete it.
What every1 needs to understand is it's too hard to give up 72 virgins in Jannah. I don't believe in Islam and I feel their pain. đđđđđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
14:21 đź
If Muslims claim the Hafs is the authentic Quran then which Quran did they use before the Hafs was approved as the standard Quran in Egypt and declared so by the king of Arabia?
31.02 people today recite different Arabic Koran but in any case where is there an Arabic Koran from before 1924 which has an exact copy from any time before 1924 right back to uthmans time .just one Arabic Koran from any Tim before 1924 in the 1300 years before that which is identical in Arabic to one after 1924. The variant Koran you tube shows variants in ancient fragments
No, Chris, the Sahabi did not have to live with Mo. It was a very minimalist criterion. Anyone who just saw Mo was regarded as a Sahaba.
It's a problem for the first compilated bible to be printed in 325 AD. But ok when Hafs was compilated in 1924AD. Because logic braddas.
Dude Chris,get a hold of how many books in NT and OT.Its important when u go to a place like this.
According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is its meaning in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abrahamâs "only begotten son" (KJV). Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.
The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely Godâs Son-sharing the same divine nature as God-as opposed to believers who are Godâs sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is Godâs âone and onlyâ Son.
The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms that help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity. The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some pseudo-Christian cults (such as the Jehovahâs Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in âproducedâ or âcreatedâ by God .
He means the apocrypha that was removed.
Hats off and salute to you Chris for dealing with brainwashed Abduls.
Why did uthman need a committee to copy hafsas copy? Clearly they were using different versions and deciding for themselves what they should write.
5:53 wth happened here đ€Ł
29:00 and your conflation with the inheritance of sin and being inherently sinful being who is unable to uphold the law are separate.
General jg believes in 3 gods. Sorry- you know he's here somewhere đ€Ł
"The people have been guilty of deceit in the reading of the Qur'an. I like it better to read according to the recitation of him (Prophet) whom I love more than that of Zayd Ibn Thabit. By Him besides Whom there is no god! I learnt more than seventy surahs from the lips of the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, while Zayd Ibn Thabit was a youth, having two locks and playing with the youth". (Ibn Sa'd, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, Vol. 2, p.444)
@20:55 th comittee that uthmn appointed were not expert reciters like kaab or masud they were uthmans nephews!! Ubay ibn kaab and ibn masud did not attend or send their copies of the Koran to have them burned. Footnotes of Koran today preserve some additions such as adding " and he (mohammad) was a father to them (the believers)"
It was surah 33.6
These are holes in the narrative.
I just donât have your patience! They havenât a clue and arenât listening
Correction; Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus. Can't want a better introduction than that.
That is one hyperactive Muslim gentleman. It really takes patience to talk to him.
First century or early second = first century of Christians existing as the crucifixion was mid first century.
Did the guy ever heard of peer review?
Muslims really are lost
Soco, please reduce the ads. I'm getting sick and tired of being bothered by islamic charity ads whenever I watch the video.
A surah is lost because a goat ate it ⊠the word of allah is eaten by a goat!
we would have those two missing suras if uthman hadn't burnt them lol.
Fortunately, Uthman was not completely successful. Islamic scholars recorded them! They were:
Al-Khalâ âO Allah, we seek help and forgiveness from You. We praise You with goodness. We do not disbelieve in You. We disown and leave whoever rejects You.
Al-Hafd âO Allah, we worship You. We pray and prostrate to You and seek you earnestly. We hope for your mercy and fear your torture. Your torture will fall on the disbelievers.â
Chris for Christ and moh-ammuduns for đ moonkissing đ mohammud.
In Mathew 8:28-29 Demon themselves say to Jesus *âWhat do you want with us, Son of God?â Demon shouted. âHave you come here to torture us before the appointed time?â*
This Above verse in Scripture is Solid Proof and Strong Answer to Muslims who keeps Questioning Christians that show us where Jesus said He is God... So the Answer you can give them that -*O Muslims your Father Devil himself agrees that Jesus is SON OF GOD then why you want to be Ignorant...*
Demons says to Jesus âO SON OF GOD, why have you come to Torment us before the Appointed time...
*2 Cor 4:4 - Satan who is the god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.*
In Order to be Saved from Hell pls be BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN (No other Religion will Help)
Praise the Lord Our Saviour...
Why are there more people in UK , who go to mosque than church?
Why is Islam fastest growing religion in the West?
Proof?
This guy is speaking as a biblical scholar and yet is clueless on his own book.
Once again pislam demolished by Iceman.
Muslims want God to be one. That is an honorable sentiment, because God is one. But the problem for Muslims is this: âThe kind of âoneâ that Muslims want God to be does not exit, cannot exist, and has never existed. No human being, no science, and no technology knows the kind of âoneâ that Muslims want God to be.
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From the beginning of creation, all peoples, all tribes, and all nations have understood the word âoneâ as that which is singular (or alone); but has within its singularity (or aloneness) a âunityâ and a âdiversityâ. Example: The water molecule is one (single, alone). But within the âonenessâ of the water molecule, there are two different chemical elements: (1) Hydrogen and (2) Oxygen or (H2O). In Islam, this is considered âSHIRKâ - the un-forgivable sin of joining partners to the water molecule.
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Consider âTimeâ: Time is one (single, alone). But within the âonenessâ of time, there are three different periods: (1) Past, (2) Present, and (3) Future. And each period within time is referred to as âTimeâ. In other words, the past is referred to as âTimeâ, the present is referred to as âTimeâ, and the future referred to as âTimeâ. But there is only one âTimeâ running from creation to eternity future. Again, Islamic scholars consider this a âSHIRKâ - the un-forgivable sin of joining partners to Time.
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If you tell a Muslim, according to the Bible, God made you in âThe Image and the Likeness of Himselfâ in the sense that you, too, are a trinity: (1) body, (2) spirit, and (3) soul. In fact, your body, by itself, is you; your spirit, by itself, is you; and your soul, by itself, is you. But however, your body is different from your spirit; and your spirit is different from your soul. The Muslim will accuse you of blaspheming or âSHIRKâ - the un-forgivable sin of joining partners to yourself by making yourself into three different human beings.
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Both the Science of Mathematics and the Science of Natural Laws define the word âoneâ as that which is single (or alone); but has within its singularity (or aloneness) unity and diversity. Examples: one apple, one banana, one cup, one bird, one Kaaba, one moon, one fish, one TV, one universe, one bee, and so on. But the Muslim, in order to escape hell-fire, rejects all examples for the word âoneâ; and calls it âSHIRKâ - the un-forgivable sin of joining partners to each one of them.
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Interestingly, five times a day, every Muslim around the world prays directly to the âBlack Stoneâ which is located in the most sacred and holy spot in all of Islam - the Yamini corner of the Kaaba. The âBlack Stoneâ is a double âSHIRKâ for two reasons: (1) It shares a partnership with Allah in terms of being revered (admired, bowed to) for forgiving Muslims of their sins, and (2) as science will have it, the âBlack Stone, itself, has within its âonenessâ unity and diversity, which is the very thing Muslims referred to as âSHIRKâ - the un-forgivable sin of joining partners...
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Muslims want God to be one. But the kind of âoneâ that Muslims want God to be does not exit, cannot exist, and has never existed; because the only kind of âoneâ that exists in all of reality is the kind of âoneâ that has within its âonenessâ unity and diversity - it is the kind of âoneâ that you and I learned about in schools. It is the kind of âoneâ that we all talk about in our homes, in the market places, and in computer classes.
Psalm 2 is about Jesus. David was never given the ends of the earth.
Show me , show me , the liar thinks everybody lies like him
Narrated Abdullah (bin Mas'ud) (ra): By Allah other than Whom none has the right to be worshipped! There is no Sura revealed in Allah's Book but I know at what place it was revealed; and there is no verse revealed in Allah's Book but I know about whom it was revealed. And if I know that there is somebody who knows Allah's Book better than I, and he is at a place that camels can reach, I would go to him. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p.488)
These are the 2 extra surahs ubayy had in his codex which is not in the haffs quran
Surah 115 al-Khal: O Allah, we seek your help and ask your forgiveness, and we praise you and we don't disbelieve in you. We separate from and leave who sins against you.
Surah 116 al-Hafd: O Allah we worship you and to you we pray and prostrate and to you we run and hasten to serve you. We hope for your mercy and fear your punishment. Your punishment will surely reach the disbelievers. (Ahmed von Denffer, `Ulum al Qur'an, Leicester: The Islamic Foundation, 1985, p. 48)
those are not suras, ever heard of dua qunoot.
quran has only 114 suras
@@youwhat491 Yes but ubayy added those to his Quran. Your current Quran sura 1 is a dua is it not?
@@thomasjoat2396 so whats people add commentary with the quran, but it is made clear what is quran and what is not, sura fatiha (the opening) is taught by Allah and is read in every standing posture of every rakah of salah, therefore definitely part of the Quran
@@youwhat491 you said it is made clear what is quran and what is not.....by who?
â@@thomasjoat2396 Every ramadhan the whole quran gets recited, from the ba of bismillah to the seen of Nas, everyone who recites the whole quran from memory, starts with al-faitha and finish with Surah Nas (Mankind) sura 114,
@13:59 the Muslim is confusing two arguments. Whether or not Christians reject gnostic writings that come long after ie several centuries after Jesus is a DIFFERENT issue to writings in the Koran not being original.the story of the sleepers in the cave ( in the Sanaa manuscript) or the story of breathing life into birds ( in gnostic gospels) PREDATE Mohammad. That is the issue here. If they predate mohammad you can't claim they are original and unknown stories.
Yes Chris ⊠game set and match again! Thank you so much for your patience. Jesus is Lord
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation.
According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, âJesus is Lord,â and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your âgoodâ is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a âsnot ragâ. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, âlike as rags of menstruation.â
Sorry if that disgusts you, but itâs Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiahâs language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says âAs for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.â Thatâs how hopeless we are apart from Godâs work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
No use to discuss or talk to an abdul, let C P destroy him, coz it's no use to discuss with them as they already believe that evev if I'm wrong and i know that muhammad was wrong I'll never let them know .
No real muslim follows Hadiths or certain additions in the Quran ,the real Quran has verses of the creator and verses from the previous scriptures
According to Ibn-i Abbas there are 6616 verses in the ko-ooran.
Nafi: 6217 verses
Shayba: 6214 verses
Scholars of Egypt: 6226 verses
Zamahshari: 6666 verses
How many verses should the ko-ooran really have?
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That's what yasir qadi, a muslim scholar said about his own ko-oorans. You are projecting đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Rule #1: The Quran is perfectly preserved. Rule #2 If you discover differences in the number of verses, recitations or versions just refer to rule #1.
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Rule #3 if you find any variants feed it to a sheep đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
If 450 reciters all died in the battle of yemana , who knows what they recite...if hv no answer, says so....all written by ur scholars
Al Bukhari a Muslim scholar of the 9th-10th century, and the most authoritative of the Muslim tradition compilers, writes that whenever Muhammad fell into one of his unpredictable trances his revelations were written on whatever was handy at the time. The leg or thigh bones of dead animals were used, as well as palm leaves, parchments, papers, skins, mats, stones, and bark. And when there was nothing at hand the attempt was made by his disciples to memorize it as closely as possible.
Zaid b. Thabit said: âThe Prophet died and the Qurâan had not been assembled into a single place.â (p. 118, Ahmad b. `Ali b. Muhammad al `Asqalani, ibn Hajar, "Fath al Bari", 13 vols, Cairo, 1939/1348, volume 9, page 9)
Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorized them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known; nor had Abu Bakr, nor `Umar nor `Uthman as yet collected the texts of the Qur'an.
âDuring the battle of Yamama, 450 reciters of the Quran were killed.â
WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL KORAN , NONE...ALL COPIED AGAIN N AGAN .
THE REST IS BURNT BY UTHMAN AND MARRAH
Chris, remember the next time , the "stoning to death" and " breastfeeding for adults "verses, where are they ?
Even the Quran they have now is a recitation of hafs with was known as a liar and a cheat.
This muslim guy is turning around and twisting around in bush , let him swim in the ocean ...
I guess this Muslim guy is arguing to learn.... I wish the holy spirit will reveal the truth to him
Daaang...this abdul is the king of taqiyyah i think
These abdools are funny what they play the game of hiccups about one word and its meaning.
When they always have the excuse an arabic word has hundred different meaning.
The double standard is STAGGERING.
All they ever do is argue.
Refusing to accept truth.
Well then, If muslims claim the bible is corrupt then show me the original bible that was sent from God.
Why are we fighting Jesus will return to judge Muslims will follow hiim at the end .
It's not that couldn't do it, it's that he never did that Giving life to clay bird bcz it's a forger and made up story đ„....
Jesus is the Only Son of God who is called ÎŒÎżÎœÎżÎłÎ”ÎœÎ·Ï ÎžÎ”ÎżÏ Monogenes Theos Which means "Only Begotten God" John 1:18 Or the Only son of God who is Called Monogenes "Only Begotten" Within the Greek New Testament or the Greek Septuagint Old Testament. That's what Makes Jesus Unique among those that are called Sons of God. Jesus is Eternally Begotten