WATCH: Enrile loses his cool over SAF, AFP bickering
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- MANILA - Senate Minority Leader Juan Ponce Enrile on Wednesday lost his cool after officials of the Philippine National Police (PNP) Special Action Force (SAF) and the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) once again pointed fingers at each other as to who is responsible for the botched anti-terror operation in Mamasapano on January 25, 2015.
At the continuation of the Senate's investigation into the Mamasapano encounter, former SAF chief Getulio Napeñas reiterated that he had asked for artillery support from the Army's 6th Infantry Division Commander Major General Edmundo Pangilinan as his men were being attacked by Moro rebels and armed groups. He said Pangilinan refused to help.
Napeñas said more lives could have been saved had the AFP provided artillery support to the SAF troopers, 44 of whom died in the operation.
Pangilinan, for his part, explained that the AFP follows the "doctrine" that before using artillery, they should first know the exact location not only of the enemies, but also of the friendly troops as well as the civilians in the area to prevent any collateral damage.
Napeñas then insisted that he had provided the AFP the exact location of the SAF troopers. Pangilinan maintained that the former SAF chief provided incomplete information.
Senator Gregorio Honasan II then admonished the two, saying they are "exposing the weaknesses of our internal security systems to unwarranted intervention" on national television.
But Enrile, for his part, said this is precisely the reason why he asked for the reopening of the probe: to expose to the public the kind of military the country has now.
"My goodness, General Pangilinan. In a running battle, is that the way you're going to handle a critical situation? If this is war, my God, the country will be in a terrible peril," Enrile said.
"If you are the commander, a commander is supposed to know his area of operation like knowing the palm of his hand. And you have to innovate, you have to be flexible, not doctrinal," he said.
"This is a wake-up call for the country. That shows that there is no leader handling the entire system in a critical moment. Nagtuturuan kayo eh! Eh sasalakayin tayo ng Tsina, ganyan ang gagawin niyo? Male-leche ang buong Pilipinas, hindi lang kayo! My God."
Senator Francis Escudero, likewise, said that no one from the PNP and the AFP wants to admit their shortcomings.
"Tila puro may command lahat ng taong kaharap natin, pero walang umaako ng responsibilidad," he said. "Ang pinaka-hinahanap lang siguro ng ating mga kababayan mula sa inyo ay may umamin man lang na may pagkukulang kayo."
ANC, January 27, 2016
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the first mistake was done in Malacanang, when P-noy had a meeting with Napenas and Purisima....chain of command was violated by the chief executive.....
Anong nangyari na sa masasapano saf 44 ... me nakulong na ba.
@@prettycute5582 wala makukulong. Patay na si PNoy. Nagtatakipan ng butas ung mga nasa baba niya. Sinalo lahat ni Napenas ang sisi
Hindi ma gets ng ibang senador ung point ni Gen. Pangilinan.
You cannot fire artillery indiscriminately kasi you can cause friendly fire and/or civilian casualties. Kailangan ng coordinates, nasaan ung friendlies at nasaan ung kalaban, kahit approximation man lng wala e. Wala dn naman nagtawag ng "danger close" kasi nga hindi nila alam ung eksaktong location.
If sa planning palang nasama na ang mga sundalo, wala sana problema, naka standby na sila for support, baka pati nga air support na ready agad just in case. Kaso gusto nila solohin, ayan tuloy.
Insufficient coordination, insufficient communication, insufficient planning. And tama c Pres. DU30, why send PNP in a jungle operation, why not military units. Nanjan naman ang marines, scout rangers, bakit police.
9 Operations na kasi ginawa ng SAF may coordination sa militar laging nakakatakas ung marwan nakaramdam ung SAF na parang may nagleleak kaya ung huling operation di na nag coordinate successful napatay nila kaso napaligiran lang ng mga sira ulong MILF.
@@drakex241 there was on going peace talks with the MILF who were not made aware of OPLAN EXODUS hence why they fired back at the troops. They also received an order from Aquino not to retaliate because of the peace talks. Until they were forced to shoot back when the BIFF joined in the shooting. Okay?
@@puyingtv7676 Ano kinalaman nyan na sinabi mo? Gusto mo makipag coordinate sila sa MILF eh dun nga mismo nag tago malapit sa kuta nila haha tapos sa military nga 9 times na nag coordinate laging palpak nakakatakas kasi nga may nagleleak di mo magets?
@@drakex241 salute sayo buddy..
@@drakex241 Sigurado b sila n afp ang dahilan? Jan magaling ang pnp pag palpak ang mission, maghahanap ng sisisihin. Kung nakakatakas si marwan s mga naunang mission nila malamang mga muslim n pulis ang nagtraydor. Pulpulis nga, di ba? Matagal n nilang trabaho ang gumawa ng akusasyon mapagtakpan lang ang kalokohan.
the tragedy is a product of poor leadership and selfish motives
When the chain of command was violated then we should expect the subordinates will collapse. This is one of the tragic incident when we have an incompetent President.
haha, incompetent president ba, hindi incompetent commander on the ground?
Hi Sir, Gen Guerrero AFP. I'm still proud of you Sir, Hope to see you again, Tell it to the Marines....from Site Security Manager , TA'AZ Group. Basra, Iraq.
si taga san po ba si gen guerrero tnx i mean from what povince
The question is, who was the commander in chief that time? Na sa parlor ba?
wag mo siya tanungin kasi wala daw siya alam dun...C-O-C siya pero wala alam...sabagay laglag bala nga sa airport naubos na buhok niya sa ulo paano masosolusyunan un...
Nagpapakilay ..
Enrile was just pointing out Armies incapabilities to cope up but he didn't consider how the PNP lack of system and also the AFPs intelligence lack of capacity like UAVs. I dont dont agree that the AFP didn't do anything, its all the PNPs fault in the first place added by lack of intelligence gathering mode like Radio and GPS at hindi thru text
Firstly, SAF shouldn't have been the one that lead the operation. It was too risky, the scout rangers should have been the that facilitated the operation. Bakit pulis?
@@pinoyclasico8932 because there's money (reward) involved. Kaya nga halos kakaunti lang ang may alam kasi cguro ayaw nilang may kahati sa reward.
Actually, quite surprise he pointed the AFP's lacks than the PNP. But I guess it was getting redundant to point the PNP's lapses (over and over again). It was an utter failure.
The problem here is that SAF are inexperienced soldiers in jungle warfare they are mostly experienced in Urban warfare. This shouldve been an operation of the AFP but because the leaders greed in Fame, Money they conducted this operation thinking they have the capabilities of trained and experienced soldiers who are built for jungle warfare. Its just a poorly planned operation with little intelligence about the said operation. Pero if there is someone to blame it is those who thought this was a good idea to conduct this mission.
@@NextRated so it was pnoy..but unfortunately he didn’t take the full responsibility until his last breath
eto ung pinag aksayahan ng oras at panahon..pero wala parin nananagot kung sino may kasalanan..
🙁
tbh di na kailangan ng investigation pra malaman kung cno may kasalanan..cno ba commander-in-chief nung panahon na yan..c pnoy kaso patay na
Ganito kabugok magmanage ng mga tauhan niya si Noynoy. Tapos pag nagkagulo gulo, hugas kamay sya. Walang sense of accountability.
wala siyang alam???
Dapat c Pinoy GILITAN ng ulo
@@monzilizobrianjoserebustil9653 just died hehe
sila kasi po ang may hawak ng milf sa pilipinas tatay ni noynoy ang gumawa ng milf dito! nung panahon ni president marcos
It is very clear that the legal and technical procedures that are supposed to done has not been followed. There was a neglect of duty here.
Until now, there is no justice yet for the fallen heroes, SAF 44.
paano? patay na si pnoy, si purisima at roxas na lang mananagot
Well Ninoy Aquino did die but idk if its considered as justice for our fallen SAF commandos
Asus asa kapa, gusto ko na mabigyan ng Hustisya ang SAF44 pero aabutan Yan ng 2025 ng di nareresolba no..😏😪.
Dito mo mkikita na pag ang sundalo gumalaw sigurado dahil planado....
Bilib ako sa general ng Afp.
Parehas tayo bilib sa Gen. Ng AFP Bilib na bilib din ako kay Gen.Espina
uulitin ko lang sinabi ni APOLINARIO MABINI!
"siguro nga tama sila na dapat tayong tawaging bata"
3y3gospel song se6
wala talagang maasahan pag oras ng kagipitan
wow a big operation, they are using sms in communicating with each others troops.
Artillery support pero kung walang grid coordinate na binigay
me watching this year 2020,sobrang tagal na neto pero wala pading nananagot
Isang lang ang dapat managot, at un na nga nalagotan na ng hininga, si Noypi
nakakastress balikan i2 pero just want to remind myself na dpat wala na tlagang dilawan na presidente..
Bat sya magagalit sa afp eh sino ba sumugod at di nakipag coordinate sa.mga army na na andun sa.area. Tama naman si gen. Kung me proper coordination at location nakapagbigay sila ng artillery support
yun ang tama sagot dito lage si sir catapang ang pinagbibintangan sa pag kamatay ng saf44 dapat before sila mag operate jan coordinate na di yung bigla nalang sila papasok wala ka abag abag
Kahit walang proper coordinatiron yan 🤣 pag ang army nang hingi ng air support sa air force kahit saan pang bundok yan nahahanap yan ng air force 🤣 sadyang ayaw lang nilang tulungan SAF para hindi lumala ang peace talk at hindi na maulit ang zamboanga siege para hindi na mapalaban yung mga hilaw na sundalo dyan 🤣 kita mo nga hindi nila binabantayan AOR nila na may most wanted 🤣🤣🤣
Gen. Pangilinan already told the senate committee that it was a coordination error, incorrect and lacked of information isnthe main reason why he can't order an artillery to fire. It may cause friendly fire or collateral damage which will immediately blame to him as command responsibility. Sen. Enrile didn't know that for he don't have any knowledge in the nature of War. The fault goes to PNP commanders, they failed to provide accurate information that cause the lives of 44 SAF operators.
Matanda na kasi yan si enrile.
He's very upset because of the lack of preparations and lack of involvement across different dept./functions. They are all in the same sevice which is our DEFENSE/SECURITY and yet all they do is to pin point and reason out. That's why enrile showed disappointment and frustration.
@@edjepaulignacio6149 pero mali padin na isisi sa AFP. Which is kung tutuusin wala silang mali.
@@08iman we have to remember that the nature of their job are both "security". There's no one but them to be held accountable. So gnyan pla tyo kagulo at kahina when it comes to securing safety?
@@edjepaulignacio6149 dimo ba pinanood ? pano nila bobombahin pano sila papasok di nila alam kung nasaan ang mga tropa ng saf ? plus may community pa dun. Ingay mo wala ka namang ambag.
nagpunta sila dun ng walang kaalamalam.tama ba na pupunta ka sa isang lugar na di ka man lang nagtanong kung ano na nangyayari dun?
Ang problema kasi dito di nila sinama sa plano yung artillery support. Nung nagkandaloko-loko na on the ground sila nagdecision tapos without prior naknowledge kung pano nila ilolocate yung target sa mapa ehh yung AFP na magpoprovide sana nung artillery ay di magawa sa kakulangan ng info. Si Sen. Enrile ang gusto nyang sabihin, yung operation kasi ay hindi small time operation so common sense na yung mga official na nakaupo ay involve sa planning. Bakit hinayaan nila na ganon ka-unorganize yung operation, wala man lang silang contingency plan. Di dapat nila hinayaan na matake in effect yung operation hanggang hindi pa concrete yung mga ganap. Parang hinayaan lang nila yung SAF 44 na gawin nila yung gusto nila. Dyan pumapasok yung incompetency na sinasabi ni Enrile. Alam nya yan because he's high official in military before sya maging senator.
Idol sad to see him not in the winning circle last midterm election he is truly a brilliant man that Marcos made him no2 thumbs up👍👍👍💪💪💪
kenny britannia he was the reason on why Marcos went down too. Kasinsin na pay
Kinwento samin to ng kuya kong sundalo eh coordination ang naging problema
On this hearing,i thumbs up to Enrile,,,,everything he said now is true,,
lol he didnt even understand what the army guy is saying
Tama si enrile paano na lang kung sinalakay tayo ng ibang bansa....ubos tayong mga sibilyan..
Gaya ngayon inangkin na ng CHEKWA MGA WPS ano na haha MY GHADD..
Ktulad ng intsik malapit nsa atin hahaha
Nagpa tawag daw siya ng probe para sa SAF tapos ipapasok gira at sasakupin ng china 😆 kaya galit kasi di tanggap na tama ang AFP kaya ibabaling sa ibang issue.
Ayaw masakop ng tsina pero ano gawa mo ngayon ? ?
Its also the govt fault na di nila pinondohan ng maayos ang AFP . Anlayo namn ng internal and external forces kung icocompare. Kaya hindi sna nya sinabi sa situation.na yun yung about sa war. Hahaha in short it is PNPs fault all along
i agree with the afp. ipipilit ng pnp ang request nla n artillery support ng walang malinaw n target. eh kung ung mga saf o civilian ang bgsakan ng mga bomba? eh d cla p ang madidiin. ngpadala ng mga tropa ang afp and s tingin ko eh it was the best they could give.
tinext na yung coordinates. tapos meron din yung last resort na 'fire at my location'
sho yuki wala order eh ,,panu matulungan E WLang order
Di pwede ipaalam sa iba kase baka makihati pa kay PANOT sa reward e kaya si suspended PURISIMA lang sinabihan nya
@@malemanjulpax2155 Palagay mo kung sakaling totoo ang sinasabi mo gagawin ng afp yun.
@@malemanjulpax2155 fire at my location? Edi baka hindi lang 44 namatay baka higit pa
how is this case not solved yet? arent there "survivors" from that encounter? Why cant they testify instead of showing these people doing the same thing as last time, pointing fingers?
Mas mabigat ang rason ng afp kesa saf
Wala ba kayong locator? dapat yan ay gamitin nyo para no need to ask where is the location.
Coordinations between AFP and PNP dapat eh , kaso sinolo ng PNP, ngayon sinisisi ang mga AFP sa lack of information na nkuha nila from the battlefield. As of today , tama nga sinabe ni PRRD concerning that Military troops dapat ang na deploy sa area.
Nko bago sana kayo gumawa ng operation mayroon na kayo back up sa ground at air.
Sege buksan muli Ang kaso kawawa Ang mga sundalong nagsakripisyo Ng mga Buhay
nasisi pa si Gen Pangilinan ni Sen Enrile haha
Di niya kasi matanggap na tama si Gen. kaya galit at ibinalin sa ibang issue 🤣 lack of coordination ng Pnp problema
@@JAKETARROBAGO toxic senator. dapat mag retire na lahat ng mga walang silbe
Wala ba kayong 2 way radio? Bakit kailangan text message sa pag relay ng message ninyo?
Sayang daw kase unlimited load nila
Their target had a $5 million USD bounty … if they fully involved the AFP know about the operation then there is a chance that the bounty will be split between the two organisation… the liberal/ pnoy was close to the PNP organisation at that time and I wouldn’t be surprised if they would have decided to corrupt that $5 million once awarded to them
Uso pa kasi GM noon or Group Message lol
Saan mas complikado operation desert storm o mamasapano?
Ang lalaki ng mga sweldo pero wala naman pala mga silbi, sayang binabayad namin sa tax.
kahit po sundalo at pulis nag babayad din po ng tax :) :)
Good job tlga dito kay Gen Pangilinan. Dami natutunan ni Bambam sa inyo Gen.
it is the fault of the commander inchief of armed forces of the philippines which is pinoy aquino the president of the philippines.
No to dilawan
IN SHORT, WE HAVE A BANANA REPUBLIC!
Thats correct po sen. Enrile, if under state of on going war or battle magtulungan sana instead of magturuan
"UMEEPAL " C BAM mahilig etong mag galing-galingan. Mabuti na lng at Hindi eto nanalo .
Thumbs up muna aku dito kay senador Enrile... medyo tumama yung sinabi nya 😅😅
Iba ang infiltration sa invasion, walang laman yung sinabi nya, panong magiging kasalanan ng afp yun kung wala manlang coordination galing sa pnp?
@@harveyguiansilva3000 ibig lang siguro sabihin ni tatang na wag magturuan
Tama is enreli dapat rumisponde agad, tumulong muna bago sabihen na kulang kayo sa coordination.
who gave the sign.
mga senador wala namang melitary background, walang karanasan pru akala mo ang gagaling. stop talking senators
3:31 "paano po magkaroon ng 365 degrees?"
5 degrees nalang kasi nakaikot ka ng isa. :D
Andito sila BAM at iba png dilawan na senador para idiin si napenas at iligtas si ABNOYNOY
7:44 happening right now. LOL
EXACTLY.
Realtalk
whats the plan.
Old Senator Enrile, minsan naging SND ka, pero tactically and technically dimo alam ang military tactical doctrine in the fields.
Provided ba yung mga important informations as reference for the Artillery to drop a howitzer in the specified Target Reference.
Naging dnd secretary sya ni marcos kahit hindi galing s military dahil kamag anak. Sya lang ang naging dnd sec n walang alam s military tactics lalo n s grid coordinates.
This is supposed to be PMA GRADUATED.
me watching this again as pinoy passes away
1 of the many big mistakes in his administration,tsk.
how ironic that sen.Bam Aquino question ing them while Pnoy Aquino is really the one to blame.
natawa nalang ako lumabas sa feed ko.
ang AFP kasi pag gumalaw planado, pag kailangan ng backup kampante kasi alam ng mga sundalo ang gagawin, location at status. Ang mga police? kamusta naman ba?
Hayon sir nakipagbakbakan sa PDEA..lol..wala na namang coordination..
DON'T BLAME AFP HERE THE PNP GAVE THEM LACK OF INFORMATION AND NO COORDINATION AFP IS THE SMARTEST PUBLIC SERVANT
basta emergency automatik na base sa signal sa baba
kya wla nila pinaalam ky pinoy ksi gosto ng mtaas na saf masolo nya ang award kya dpat balingan ng galit un mtaas n un ksi hindi namatay
they are all generals and at the same time general problem of the country.
Giyera text wow....
the intelligence of PNP is active the intelligence of AFP is sleeping about maruan that's why PNP SAP is the one make the operation of maruan
Tama naman sinasabi ni gen pangilinan. Mahirap sumugod pag di mo alam ang pwesto at magpasabog basta basta
Kaya nga, di sila makaintindi ilang beses na nyang sinabi na uncoordinated naganap. Sa kanila isisi yung kasalanan ni Purisima tsaka Napeñas.
Wala talaga silang alam , ang issue kasi eh walang problema sa reinforcement, ang problema walang prior coordination ang SAF leaders sa AFP
Kudos to gen. Benjamin magalong for doing a good job on his BOI report.
Walang 365deg sa compass hangang 300deg lang....back azimuth ng 360deg ay 180deg.
di po pala pwede ang artellery, di sana air force nalang po...
Johnny, Tama si Gen. Pangilinan. nag- papaikot ka lang ng statement. running battle? if this is a war( as you said), our FINEST AND BRAVE MEN FROM THE AFP HAS NO CAPACITY TO DEFEND THE NATION? let us not forget; WAR MAYBE FOUGHT WITH WEAPONS BUT IT IS WON BY MEN. BRAVE MEN. Ngayon, ano ang magagawa mo, para mapa-lakas ang puwersa ng SANDATAHANG LAKAS, Mr. senator? yan ang isa sa mga trabaho mo. one more thing, only CONGRESS HAS THE POWER TO DECLARE WAR NOT THE SENATE. TAMA SI GENERAL, kahit saang angle silipin. We suggest na turnahimik na lang si Dir. nangyari na yan, kahit Diyos hindi na kayang I BALIK ang nangyari. LET US ALL LEARN FROM THAT BLUNDER. long live PDU30
Ang tunay na dahilan kaya nakulong si JPE
ang galing ng mga senador...parang galing sa military yong iba...
More planning needed.
On point si sen. Enrile
0:18 hoy ! imposibleng wala kang alam sa mga nangyayari hahaha panggap pa more
What about saf44
for the first time i agree with enrile
Palpak kasi ang presidente kaya palpak lahat.. tawanan lang ni Pinoy mga pamilya ng SAF44, Napaka insensitive.. lalong sumama loob ng mga naulila..
Si enrile isa lang naman sa pinaka magaling na chief of staff ni marcos before na nag occupied ng spratly island during marcos time
Ng dahil s pera ang dami ng nalagas s katangahan ng opisyal wag nyu esisi s sundalo
air support dapat hiningi nila
Hnd ma gets ng mga senador ang punto ng Army general tingkol sa grid coordinates.. Hay naku..
Artillery support provided alam ang coordinates ng kalaban at alam. Kung saan ang ibang tropa...hnd basta basta mgpaputok kung walang coordinates ganun lg ka simple yan..
Saan ang chain of command
Hindi nman basta2 magpapotok ng artillery may proseso yang at saktong location. Hindi kasi nila naintindigan ang pahayag ni general eh
There's no proper coordination so Stop blaming the AFP!!
lack of coordination.... dahil cguro pag command conference nila wala itong Comdr. ng Phil. Army PNP SAF lng ang naroon
tangke,hindi nakapasok dahil sa marshland ng lugar?dangggg,tumatawid nga sa mga ilog ang tangke,marshland pa kaya ang hindi mapasok?
request ka ng artillery walang exact location saan yung enemy at friendly troops
Dyan pumapasok ang critical thinking... pano mo ihandle yung ganyan. Para saan pa napunta ka sa pwesto na ganyan, patunayan mo naman kung bakit ikaw dapat yung nandyan. Di lang sa academic..
Masmagaling ang army pagdating sa gyera ano alam ng saf
Enrile being political lol
NO LEADER HANDLING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.... (ENRILE)
Ala talaga keenta yung adminitration nung nangyari itong mamasapano...sa mga bibig na mismo nila nanggagaling kapabayaan at kapalpakan
Galing mo General. Tagalog para maintindidhan poh nila.
Sino nandito 2021
Dami kasing naggagalinggalingang senador dyan eh..kahit sa mga ordenaryong tao ,malinaw namang mga opisyal ng kapulisan lang dapat sisihin dyan.
Dami pang dinadamay.ang resulta tuloy hanggang ngayun wala paring hustisya.
hindi basta2 magartillery hahay...hindi alam ang coordinates...baka may friendly fire...
Naku pera kc pinaguusapan dyan gusto makuha nila bounty price money para sa elevtion fund nila
inutusan na mag stand down ang artillery at airforce.
May kasalanan dyn yong nkktaas din sa grupo na nagdcide sila sa sarili nila para mapromote sila.
Paano pag may nageespiya pagdating sa gaming kalagayan nakikita kalaban ang mga misteryosong galaw na depensa mg tagapagtanggol mg bansa
Bakit ginigisa yung hiningan ng tulong? Diba supposedly police operation ito? The AFP general has been explaining why the AFP cannot give the artillery support needed. The senators should've asked why the PNP was not able to give the needed info. Basta ka lang ba magpapaulan ng mortar in a very general direction? Pano kung ang tamaan mo is yung intended na ireresque? Eh di more than 44 SAF tragedy ang mangyayari. Bakit parang minamasama ng ibang senador ang pagimplement ng DUE DILIGENCE ng AFP?