Luka Doncic vs Prime James Harden: Who's Better?

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  • @Iselas181
    @Iselas181 Před rokem +61

    The fact that Luka is younger then Prime James Harden and we are having this discussion already pretty much tells you prime Luka will be better if he keeps growing like this.

    • @thoughtsintheclouds8516
      @thoughtsintheclouds8516 Před rokem +1

      Exactly

    • @blentoot9639
      @blentoot9639 Před rokem +9

      No he won't, you expect Prime Luka to average 40ppg? He does this crazy numbers because he had the privilege to do so.. MJ best statline was in 1987 but MJ's prime is during early 90's to mid. Don't get confused with the statline. Kobe's peak stats was 35ppg but his prime years is when he won MVP and 2 FMVP. Once Luka pair with a Superstar his statline will go down drastically.

    • @johnsepulvedacruz6428
      @johnsepulvedacruz6428 Před rokem +4

      @@blentoot9639 I would take luka over Harden all day. Because luka gets better at the playoffs.

    • @blentoot9639
      @blentoot9639 Před rokem +2

      @@johnsepulvedacruz6428 why he's not better against that worst version of Warriors team? LOL he almost got swept by Warriors and their 2nd best player is Wiggins LMAOOOO

    • @johnsepulvedacruz6428
      @johnsepulvedacruz6428 Před rokem +8

      @@blentoot9639 they literally won the championship. And if we talking about team the warriors are a better team than luka team. I'm going to use your logic luka best t3am was BRUNSON 🤣. and stop discrediting the wiggins he is a legit all star.

  • @BabyBoiireacts
    @BabyBoiireacts Před rokem +11

    harden dam near beat the warriors this has to stop

    • @sydguitar99
      @sydguitar99 Před rokem +4

      Right bro, Harden faced the 73-9 Warriors and took them to game 7 but Luka nearly got swept against this version of the Warriors 💀

    • @Sabe2k
      @Sabe2k Před rokem +4

      @@sydguitar99 Harden faced the 73-9 warriors + Kevin Durant bro. People need to start appreciating prime Harden again

    • @Thegangsta00711
      @Thegangsta00711 Před rokem

      @@Sabe2k damn that’s actually crazy and I’m a Mavs fan.

    • @jmoney4220
      @jmoney4220 Před rokem

      Give Luka that 2018 Rockets team and he probably does beat the warriors

    • @jmoney4220
      @jmoney4220 Před rokem +1

      @@Sabe2k he had cp3 who was balling that series until he got hurt and great role players.. give that to Luka and he does just as good and probably better

  • @ubereats3047
    @ubereats3047 Před rokem +4

    It’s true though Harden wasn’t getting this fanfare. He was criticized that he was foul baiting and scoring a bunch of his points from the line but nobody says anything about Luka doing the same thing

    • @goatinaroun1944
      @goatinaroun1944 Před rokem

      Luka doesn’t do it nearly to the degree harden abused the rules. It was unwatchable to see harden play and then inevitably choke in the playoffs when he didn’t get to abuse the officiating. Harden wasn’t under appreciated his game had a LOT of gimmick to it and neither the players nor the media respect that shit

    • @ubereats3047
      @ubereats3047 Před rokem +1

      @@goatinaroun1944 Luka is literally only averaging .6 less free throws than Harden’s career high. The complaint was always that with all the free throws he’s extending the game to be too long? And what does playoff “choking” have to do with anything? Harden lost twice to the greatest team ever assembled and averaged 35 points on good shooting against the warriors in 2019. He averaged 30 against the Warriors in the playoffs. You are proving the point that Harden got shit on for his all time great player from 2015-2019 for no reason to the point that you’re bringing up playoff “choking”

    • @omerali580
      @omerali580 Před rokem +1

      @Goatin Aroun Bruh what are you talking about. Luka has all of Harden's Free Throw techniques.
      The head snap back, hooking people's arms, launching into defenders.
      He truly is the Prodigee

  • @lyrunyoung8179
    @lyrunyoung8179 Před rokem +14

    I think luka is better only because of his post game and size....this allows him to.impact the game in a completely different aspect that numbers can't identify...it slows the game and actually tires other stars out ..(ie cp3,booker,mitchell)....skill wise I think harden has him in terms if shooting ,dribbling but in terms of big time moments idk why but luka gives me that feeling that he's gonna do things that we don't think he should be able to do like a lebron in terms of willing his tram to wins ....

  • @thoughtsintheclouds8516
    @thoughtsintheclouds8516 Před rokem +2

    I usually don’t agree with chubby Joel but he was spitting the most facts this segment.

  • @markarmage3776
    @markarmage3776 Před rokem +6

    It's Prime Harden and it's not even close.
    Luka can't even beat last year's Warriors.
    Harden is the only guy ever to win more than one game against the Invincible Durant Warriors

    • @OmarSanchez-zw8se
      @OmarSanchez-zw8se Před rokem +2

      Thank you!!! Harden is a all time great I don’t understand why people overlook the kd warriors no one was giving them problems besides the rockets and had it not been for them harden would’ve had 1 ring for sure

    • @uptightpanic7058
      @uptightpanic7058 Před rokem +5

      I dont care if you dont take this seriously, I will get this off my chest anyways. First off the fact that your using luka doncic's playoff history against him is laughable. He hasn't had a single active all-star teammate and is also the only reason the mavs are even relevant in the first place. Meanwhile even in your argument about harden taking games off the warriors, your argument is flawed. The rockets were up 3-2 and should have won that series...But if you watch basketball you would remember that james harden suddenly couldn't hit a 3 point shot to save his life. He went 2 of 13 from 3 in game 7. He sold his team that game and is a known playoff choker. He had a great supporting cast in players like chris paul, clint capela, ariza, eric gordon, pj tucker etc. James hardens worst team had more help than luka ever did. Harden has been surrounded by hall of famers and mvps his entire career and yet he has never won a ring and never will. He had one of the most talented teams ever in okc and they still shit the bed. Then he and his MVP buddy westbrook nearly got swept and got sent home AGAIN on the rockets against a real playoff performer like lebron. Then he went to the nets with KD and Kyrie and EVEN THEN his teammates didn't like him and now he is on the sixers. He is playing with YET ANOTHER mvp caliber player in joel embiid who is having one of the best statistical seasons we have ever seen from a center and yet he will find another way to choke again with his selfish style of basketball. James harden gets disrespected because he chucks up a bunch of shots and loses ball games just like carmello. He is one of the biggest underachievers in basketball relevant to his talent as a player and the teams he has been on. If you unironically think Luka isn't close or comparable to James Harden you might as well know nothing about basketball, He is playing out of his mind this season. James Harden was an all time great scorer but I would definitely take Luka as I can actually trust him to play well in a game 7 situation if he ever gets the help that James Harden had.

    • @markarmage3776
      @markarmage3776 Před rokem

      @@uptightpanic7058 Again, not even close.
      Type all you want, pal, but that's not how any of this works.
      Yeah, Luka has less help, but he has to face a far less talented team.
      Luka last year can't even get to a game 7 against these Warriors. How would he fare against the Durant Warriors?
      Rockets were up 3-2 in 2017-18 with Chris Paul not playing.
      Harden against invincible Durant Warriors fully healthy. It's amazing that they even got a lead.
      So go learn some math, darling. Doncic is just a less athletic and less efficient Harden. Harden wasn't in his prime at OKC, playing with Westbrook is always a liability because it's Westbrook.
      He was injured in Brooklyn and was injured last year in Philadelphia.
      Again, it's Prime Harden and it's not remotely close.

    • @uptightpanic7058
      @uptightpanic7058 Před rokem +1

      @@markarmage3776*Doncic bad bc he didnt beat a top 2 point guard of all time without any all star level teammates* nice argument man. Surely he should be able to beat a dynasty that was built on steph, klay, and draymond who also have other good players like wiggins and poole. Doncic averaged 32 ppg that series. Its not like he didn't play well. Nice diss man, thats definitely a bad loss. totally. "Doncic is just a less athletic and less efficient harden". "Again, it's Prime Harden and it's not remotely close". Nice contradictions man. And james harden is a more efficient player but oh wait luka is shooting over 50 percent from the field? harden has never been that efficient in over a decade, whoops... "so go learn some math, darling". So your points in the argument for harden being "way better" than someone carrying his team to the playoffs and averaging 34, 8, and 8 on 50 percent from the field is that hes more athletic, and that he got to game 7 in a series that he couldn't close. Nice argument man! Keep hating.

    • @liamm6208
      @liamm6208 Před rokem

      And he's the only guy to never get swept once by those Warriors teams to and he never got shut down by Draymond he always ripped Draymond's heart out and stopped on it everytime they went head to head and made Draymond try to give him an injury by giving him a red eye during the 2019 Playoffs and played through that red eye and still took that Warriors team to 6 games and averaged over 30 that series.

  • @vibezworldwide
    @vibezworldwide Před rokem +5

    This Harden disrespect is crazy

  • @user-zu3xe8fe6y
    @user-zu3xe8fe6y Před 5 měsíci +1

    They talking about whos better. Im telling you this the black guy went toe to toe with warriors big 3 + the 2nd best player at that time. This should end the discussion

  • @redlionplumbing
    @redlionplumbing Před rokem

    Harden helped get the contact drawing foul rule change done and no chin aka the beard is an absolute liability in the post season. Luka dials up to clap back in the clutchest moments.

  • @henry7486
    @henry7486 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I think Luka Doncic may currently be one of the most overrated players in the league. Him being young shouldn’t factor into how good he is actually considered RIGHT NOW. A similar thing happens with LeBron but obviously with him being old instead of young. I remember I believe it was in 2019 or 2020, people said that a reason that LeBron should win MVP was just because he was old

  • @kingjth6306
    @kingjth6306 Před rokem +2

    Wade is better than Harden

  • @anthonycelestin3559
    @anthonycelestin3559 Před rokem +7

    Luka is great but man Harden is super legendary and has impacted the game just like Curry with the 3 ball. Not only Harden could shoot the 3, he can get in the paint often too and he’s a great passer. Nobody in history had such a unique game like Harden, he deserves more respect than he gets

    • @liamm6208
      @liamm6208 Před rokem

      And Harden's speed and balance when shooting a step back three or side step is way better and more dynamic and Harden has a better jumpshot because Luka's is clunky just like LeBron's and not to mention he shoots the same percentage at the Free Throw line as LeBron and has games where he goes 2/6 2/9 and 1/5 at the Free Throw line and Harden would never shoot 52% at the Free Throw line in a Playoff series like Luka did in his 2nd Playoff Appearance and that's what will forever make Harden better if Luka never wins a ring as a number 1 or an MVP.

    • @anthonycelestin3559
      @anthonycelestin3559 Před rokem +1

      @@liamm6208 I like Luka’s footwork and his midrange arsenal. But I feel Harden in his prime is just more exciting to watch especially around 2019. Dude was a machine & had such a smooth game.
      I’m surprised he didn’t average 40. Guy was shooting endless stepback 3s and getting in the paint at will. You can be more athletic, stronger or be taller than Harden & he still getting a shot over you. Everything was self created buckets.
      It’s a shame people didn’t appreciate Harden in his prime. Harden is the pioneer of the new style where it’s 1 ball handler creating the whole offense on their own with a lot of P&Rs and a lot of players are taking his style & he doesn’t get the credit for it.
      I wish Harden used the midrange more in his prime cause sometimes it got predictable & teams knew how to guard him at times just depending on the 3 and paint exclusively. But nonetheless this guy was great

    • @goatinaroun1944
      @goatinaroun1944 Před rokem

      He did not impact the game like curry. Nigga abused officiating for years and always choked in the playoffs when he couldn’t shoot 15 free throws a game

    • @anthonycelestin3559
      @anthonycelestin3559 Před rokem

      @@goatinaroun1944 Harden is second all time in made 3s in a season in 2019 behind Curry’s historic season of 2016. Harden already beat Reggie Miller in made 3s and is on pace to beat Ray Allen in made 3s.
      Harden impacted the 3 ball with the stepback 3 and Harden made the stepback 3 into a great weapon

  • @jydude911
    @jydude911 Před rokem +4

    Harden all day.

  • @cruztheunknwn3640
    @cruztheunknwn3640 Před rokem +5

    Bro really said harden a better player then Wade 😭... I know he trolling

    • @yae7467
      @yae7467 Před rokem

      i meaaaan what wade got on him rings? that’s about it

    • @KxngAntTae
      @KxngAntTae Před rokem +1

      @@yae7467 defense, finishing, leadership mid range shooting.

    • @RecapRico
      @RecapRico Před rokem

      @@yae7467 Just say you didn't watch Wade and we can educate you. The condescending "lemme ask a question and semi answer it sarcastically" attitude you got is about as Shitty as Hardens defense compared to Wade's.

    • @yae7467
      @yae7467 Před rokem

      @@KxngAntTae okay yea defensively. but offensively wade isn’t near harden in all honesty not many players are better than harden offensively. harden is a better playmaker, scoring, ball handler, rebounder and more effective shooter. ask me that’s a better player and wade only has 200 more steals and played 2 more years than harden. i watched wade im not a kid 😂😂

    • @bgod7966
      @bgod7966 Před 10 dny

      @@yae746735 ppg in the finals carried the heat to a ring

  • @jenius-9581
    @jenius-9581 Před rokem +1

    This is so disrespectful to Harden

  • @Anthonydu01630
    @Anthonydu01630 Před rokem +1

    Harden a better passer 😂 Bunch of casual its crazy, next thing they will say is Tyrese Haliburton is a better passer than Lebron and Jokic 😂

  • @gdot1453
    @gdot1453 Před rokem +2

    Ya be living in the moment

  • @dequanadams8107
    @dequanadams8107 Před rokem +1

    I know u ain’t just say the gap from the Mav in this gsw the same from rocket vs. kD gsw yes they won ah ring but that gsw ain’t no wear near fucking with the kD gsw all in there prime. There all is not in they prime bs the mavs

  • @imacheeshead9042
    @imacheeshead9042 Před 8 měsíci

    People said harden was the best scorer in nba history including mike and kobe but he ain’t get no love

  • @aaronoconnor8862
    @aaronoconnor8862 Před rokem

    Most 60 50 40 pt games of ALL ACTIVE PLAYERS - not even close either - he dwarfs folks by comparison. Plus lead the league is scoring and assists - multiple years. So much hate - harden hands down.

  • @AnkitSharma-qm7sg
    @AnkitSharma-qm7sg Před rokem

    LUKA.
    subbed too.

  • @Zafri.Z
    @Zafri.Z Před rokem +2

    Passing you're giving to Harden?!?!

    • @mycole1990
      @mycole1990 Před rokem +3

      Bro what world do you live in. Harden is a playmaker lmao not only could he iso, he could facilitate.😅

    • @Zafri.Z
      @Zafri.Z Před rokem +1

      @@mycole1990 never said Harden couldn't pass. I just think Luka is better at it.

    • @blentoot9639
      @blentoot9639 Před rokem +2

      @@Zafri.Z when was Luka average double figures in assist?

    • @Notcleverenough
      @Notcleverenough Před rokem

      @@Zafri.Z your a whole casual

    • @Anthonydu01630
      @Anthonydu01630 Před rokem

      @@blentoot9639 According to you Tyrese Haliburton is a better passer than Lebron, Jokic and Doncic 😂 Scoring more doesn’t mean you’re a better scorer, same for assists.

  • @Lena-ks5ni
    @Lena-ks5ni Před měsícem

    Luka is so much more than Harden in any phase of his life...
    This comparison is a joke!

  • @brqndon12
    @brqndon12 Před rokem

    prime harden is better bc he was a top seed in the west every year though luka has been better in the playoffs

  • @Brooklyn94269
    @Brooklyn94269 Před rokem

    All that efficiency shit for James Harden get thrown out the window in pivotal games and stretches . Stop using that to falsely justify his greatness.

  • @daivonmarch4898
    @daivonmarch4898 Před rokem

    “you watch ball”😂😂😂

  • @pointgod2_
    @pointgod2_ Před rokem +2

    Luka is not more efficient Harden TS% is higher. Stop using FG% when it counts all shots as the same efficiency. 3s>2s

  • @presidentjenkins6480
    @presidentjenkins6480 Před rokem +2

    Luka ain’t done anything n the playoffs either

    • @AnkitSharma-qm7sg
      @AnkitSharma-qm7sg Před rokem

      hes done enough. everybody scared of playoff luka. just need a reliable consistent team who drill their open shots and chips galore.

    • @presidentjenkins6480
      @presidentjenkins6480 Před rokem

      @@AnkitSharma-qm7sg lmfao he had one good year last season that’s all! That’s recent bias luka not playing like this all season and still have enough n the tank come playoff’s him and jokic are great regular season teams play them better n the playoffs

  • @indamaking
    @indamaking Před rokem

    This isn’t even Prime Luka

  • @aaronoconnor8862
    @aaronoconnor8862 Před rokem

    Harden by a landslide

  • @anthmath2899
    @anthmath2899 Před rokem

    Don't disrespect Dwayne Wade. Harden is not better than wade.

  • @cameronferguson4067
    @cameronferguson4067 Před rokem +5

    Where Harden really separates himself and overtakes Luka (at least for now) is just in sheer volume. Peak harden (we’ll just say his MVP year) is taking fucking 13 3’s per game and getting to the line 11 times a night. Yeah their efficiency numbers are similar (except from the FT line; Harden is a significantly better FT shooter) but Harden did it taking 5 more 3’s per game. That’s just a crazy level of production.

    • @blentoot9639
      @blentoot9639 Před rokem +3

      Exactly, they forgot that Harden holds the record for being the 2nd player for most threes in a season with 370+ three pointers.

    • @Kosher93
      @Kosher93 Před rokem +4

      It’s bad basketball and it consistently came back to bite him in the playoffs.

    • @johnsepulvedacruz6428
      @johnsepulvedacruz6428 Před rokem

      @@blentoot9639 people forget he folds in the playoffs. His productivity drops. While luka productivity goes up in the playoffs

    • @cameronferguson4067
      @cameronferguson4067 Před rokem +4

      @@Kosher93 him and Luka play the exact same brand of basketball. Super ball dominant/pick and roll & iso heavy. Usage is extremely similar. Luka may not have struggled yet in the playoffs like Harden did, but teams can defend him the exact same way and I’ll bet Luka won’t see real team/playoff success until he moves away from his current style of play. Not to mention, Harden was leading teams that were serious contenders in the West and likely would have at least one finals appearance if not continually coming up against one of the greatest teams ever in the playoffs (Dynasty GSW). The Mavs have never been on that level as a team with Luca at the helm, at least not yet.

    • @Kosher93
      @Kosher93 Před rokem

      @@cameronferguson4067 you’re talking about play style. I’m talking about efficiency. He’s a poor decision maker.

  • @Notcleverenough
    @Notcleverenough Před rokem +5

    Harden. Did all this, without ever going under 85% from FT

    • @HoopsWithAce
      @HoopsWithAce Před rokem +4

      Because he had to master the free throws, only thing he could do 😂

    • @Notcleverenough
      @Notcleverenough Před rokem

      @@HoopsWithAce stay mad nobody, luka the #1 freethrow merchant rn

    • @jackbryant9033
      @jackbryant9033 Před rokem

      @@Notcleverenough no hes not. He's third in the league in free throw attempts.

    • @Notcleverenough
      @Notcleverenough Před rokem

      @@jackbryant9033 wrong. Hes 2nd in Attempts to Giannis, and 2nd in Made FTs to SGA

  • @tiagofernandes8389
    @tiagofernandes8389 Před rokem

    Doncic is an incredible talent but not at Harden's level yet.

  • @kingjth6306
    @kingjth6306 Před rokem +3

    Harden right now but it will be Luka tho

  • @tahamughal1634
    @tahamughal1634 Před rokem

    Luka is better

  • @braisonnn6645
    @braisonnn6645 Před rokem +2

    I’m taking prime luka because we’ve seen his play elevate in the prime unlike harden with that being said luka won’t win a ring either due to his play style

    • @jackbryant9033
      @jackbryant9033 Před rokem

      Luka won't win a ring? He's literally in his 5th year averaging 34 9 and 9 and went to the wcf last season. You either don't know ball or ur insanely biased.

    • @johnhancock1362
      @johnhancock1362 Před rokem

      @@jackbryant9033 with this current play style, no he’s not. Nobody ever has.

  • @allenross3050
    @allenross3050 Před 11 měsíci

    james harden is better, and never misses the playoffs

  • @Skyblue-qz5ht
    @Skyblue-qz5ht Před rokem

    I’m not convinced that chubby dude watches basketball fr

  • @TopDogStatus25
    @TopDogStatus25 Před rokem

    Luka is 23 and his prime is still like 3 years away and he’s already now better than Harden ever was. Last year he was averaging 35 10 and 10 in the playoffs and leading his team full of role players to the wcf. When was Harden ever delivering in the playoffs? Luka is a different monster than Harden, he’s a LeBron and MJ type talent as far as today goes only the rings and 15 years of experience separate them from Luka. Man said “I bet any amount of money the Mavs not going to the wcf”😂 4 weeks later they trade for Kyrie, if they somehow get Ayton, you guys might delete that video to save your mans from further embarrassments😂

    • @dequanadams8107
      @dequanadams8107 Před rokem +1

      Lol Harden ain’t missing no playoffs with kyrie on his team 😂😂

    • @DaffyTaffy93
      @DaffyTaffy93 Před rokem

      @@dequanadams8107 Luka couldn’t even make it to the playoffs 😂 😂

    • @bgod7966
      @bgod7966 Před 10 dny

      @@dequanadams8107 luka is better now

    • @dequanadams8107
      @dequanadams8107 Před 9 dny

      @@bgod7966 lmao no tf he not 😂😂

  • @davidblaszyk7901
    @davidblaszyk7901 Před rokem

    Lebron averaged more assists than James , James mvp season

    • @lutzismail7874
      @lutzismail7874 Před 8 měsíci

      ähm yeah and? Harden averaged double digits ast 6 times and those times his ast was on par or higher than Lebron. Lebron avg double digits ast once in his entire career.

  • @zigghiggs
    @zigghiggs Před rokem +1

    Luka because of his inside/post game

  • @jac6548
    @jac6548 Před rokem +2

    Prime harden
    But bruh
    Luka is 23
    23
    And we're already comparing him to one of the greatest scorers of all time, arguably top 2-3 scorer in the 21st millenium
    Luka is on track to be in the GOAT convos

    • @Sabe2k
      @Sabe2k Před rokem +2

      bro 21st millenium 🤣

    • @mycole1990
      @mycole1990 Před rokem +3

      Harden took his team to a conference final, look at his roster. Man was a machine.

    • @johnsepulvedacruz6428
      @johnsepulvedacruz6428 Před rokem +3

      @@mycole1990 luka also made the conference finals lol. Look at his roster 🤧

  • @Iord_berry
    @Iord_berry Před rokem

    He cooked tf outta Paul George ngl not klaw tho.

    • @imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449
      @imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449 Před rokem

      He actually did cook Kawhi a few times during the 2020-2021 playoff series.

    • @Iord_berry
      @Iord_berry Před rokem

      @@imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449 that's a stretch

    • @imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449
      @imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449 Před rokem

      @@Iord_berry I’m not saying he cooked him the entire playoff but there were multiple possessions, especially during the first two games, where they switched Luka primary defender back and forth between George and Leonard and he still scored on both. I remember prior to the series starting everyone was saying Kawhi was going to clamp him.

    • @Iord_berry
      @Iord_berry Před rokem

      @@imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449 kawhi was doing great on him every 4th qtr that series. Ppl keep "assuming" he's gassed out but I think kawhi figured him out in the series

  • @sydguitar99
    @sydguitar99 Před rokem +7

    Luka has a high ceiling but I don't think he would've faired well against the Superteam Warriors for all those years like Harden did, and to clear Harden he'd have to win multiple scoring titles, 2 MVPs, a Championship, 2 assist titles, Harden has a deep resume

    • @williamroper5422
      @williamroper5422 Před rokem +4

      Give Luka that same team with Paul as he was then and he would do just fine.

    • @sydguitar99
      @sydguitar99 Před rokem +1

      @williamroper5422 so that would also mean you have to assume that cp3 would miss 20+ games in the regular season, and he would get hurt in the playoffs. And sure Luka did great against the Sun's but we all know they're frauds and same with the Clippers, the 73-9 team that Harden faced would've swept both of those teams and people forget how great of a defender prime Klay, Dreymond and Iggy were, they held LeBron and Harden to 40% shooting in the playoffs

    • @williamroper5422
      @williamroper5422 Před rokem +3

      @@sydguitar99 Luka would have got that one more win they needed without Paul.

    • @sydguitar99
      @sydguitar99 Před rokem +5

      @williamroper5422 you think Luka could beat the prime Warriors? People really forget how elite of defenders prime Klay, Dreymond and Iggy were. They would do the same thing they did to Harden, since there's no other offensive threat on the floor bc cp3 was out, all they would do is double/triple Luka to force him to take bad shot. Dawg his team nearly got swept against this version of the Warriors which is nowhere as good as the prime Warriors Harden had faced.

    • @christ-Revealed
      @christ-Revealed Před rokem +1

      @@sydguitar99 and we are forgetting prime Eric Gordon, paint presence capella and cp3 who won that game 5 with his clutch performance. Give luka tha team and it wouldn't be a 7 game series, with pj tucker who virtually cancels out durant, the playing field balances

  • @zinktomas8251
    @zinktomas8251 Před rokem +1

    Individual defensive ratings are not team stats. There is a loose connection because you can’t separate it completely.
    Doncic is doing what he is doing on far better efficiency - which is the biggest difference. Won’t get into rebounding or anything else, where Doncic typically outperforms Harden too. Neither Harden or Doncic is a better scorer than Kobe or MJ… who is saying that?

    • @imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449
      @imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449 Před rokem

      Luka this season is arguably a better scorer than Kobe and he’s more efficient while doing so. It’s a strange comparison though because Luka is 6’7 and his duties, unlike Kobe’s, are to run the offense completely. Luka can shoot from mid range, 3, post fade, hook shot, floater, back down bigs in the paint, etc. He has a larger repertoire due to his size. If Luka could play more like a 2 guard and didn’t have to worry about facilitating he would probably average way more points. I think it’s weird to compare Kobe to Luka given their respective positions and duties while on the floor. That’s just my opinion. Can’t speak on MJ because I never watched him play.

    • @savonsanders8684
      @savonsanders8684 Před rokem +3

      @@imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449 Kobe put up these numbers while playing ELITE level defense. Luka "bends" the rules much more while Kobe got straight buckets and wasn't foul baiting like ALL these elite players do. Don't disrespect Kobe like that dawg

    • @imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449
      @imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449 Před rokem

      @@savonsanders8684 He said scorer bro. Wtf does defense have to do with scoring. Read before you respond.

    • @savonsanders8684
      @savonsanders8684 Před rokem

      @@imnotblindbutiloveblindfol8449 He's not a better scorer. Luka foul baits, and travels a lot bending the rules!! Kobe with the same leeway he's gonna easily average 40. Harden and Luka are really no different from each other. Kobe is arguably the best 1v1 iso player pure skills wise as in he has 2 many 'counter moves' in his arsenal. Luka foul baits, and does step backs exactly like Harden. When you're playing both sides of the ball, it is draining and tiring. I'm pointing out how insane and difficult it is to drop 35+ points, while also guarding the opposing teams BEST perimeter players. Luka is just asked to make things happen. Kobe did that and was an amazing lockdown defender. I read it clear the first time dawg! What's harder just dropping 35+' or dropping 35+ while guarding other scorers averaging 30+!? Kobe could get 50 every night bro without foul baiting that's the crazy part and skill wise Luka is not the pure scorer Kobe is.

  • @brauwow
    @brauwow Před rokem +7

    Prime Harden was better but it’s crazy because like 2 years from now Luka will clear Prime Harden.

    • @sydguitar99
      @sydguitar99 Před rokem +6

      How will he clear prime Harden, he'd have to win multiple scoring titles, 2 MVPs, 2 assist titles and a championship

    • @woke49
      @woke49 Před rokem +1

      @@sydguitar99 facts

    • @mycole1990
      @mycole1990 Před rokem

      Nah bro

    • @mycole1990
      @mycole1990 Před rokem +1

      Luka puts up number, Harden was going against the warriors head on

    • @jmoney4220
      @jmoney4220 Před rokem

      @@sydguitar99 y’all put way too much stock in accolades lmao

  • @antoniollopiz150
    @antoniollopiz150 Před rokem +1

    Bro did you say James harden is a better passer than Luka Doncic?!?! That is crazy

    • @Notcleverenough
      @Notcleverenough Před rokem +2

      Harden is though, he actually runs plays instead of doing last second bailouts to a "maybe" open guy on the 3. Plus Harden has highlights on highlights of several passes he does. Luja does not. Except facts

    • @antoniollopiz150
      @antoniollopiz150 Před rokem

      @@Notcleverenough L O L

    • @stuntmandaniels3323
      @stuntmandaniels3323 Před rokem +1

      I mean harden leads league in ast an has in the past

    • @antoniollopiz150
      @antoniollopiz150 Před rokem

      @@stuntmandaniels3323 two things need to happen for an assist , we’re talking about passing

    • @stuntmandaniels3323
      @stuntmandaniels3323 Před rokem +2

      @@antoniollopiz150 it’s about the set up….harden gets ppl better open looks an more quality shots..

  • @MemesOfProduction69
    @MemesOfProduction69 Před rokem

    Luka. Averages go up in the playoffs. Just different gravy from Harden.

  • @christ-Revealed
    @christ-Revealed Před rokem +1

    Prime harden isn't a better passer,luka is a better post player and post passer...prime harden still lost against the kdless warriors twice once going up 2-1...

  • @Nopethebdndjdj
    @Nopethebdndjdj Před rokem +1

    Its luka

  • @jydude911
    @jydude911 Před rokem +7

    Without harden, there is no luka.

    • @jmoney4220
      @jmoney4220 Před rokem

      This is stupid

    • @MemesOfProduction69
      @MemesOfProduction69 Před rokem

      This is incredible ignorant lmaooooo

    • @yae7467
      @yae7467 Před rokem +1

      @@MemesOfProduction69 luka plays identical to harden so wym 😂

  • @thoughtsintheclouds8516
    @thoughtsintheclouds8516 Před rokem +2

    Also it doesn’t matter which James harden peak years was… Luka at age 23 is better then harden was at his best.. simple as that. Luka is a better playoff performer… Luka is more clutch.. more reliable… better passer… better defender…. And they are equal in scoring… while Luka is only 23… he still has room to be better…

    • @mycole1990
      @mycole1990 Před rokem +1

      Teams are gonna let Luka score and guard the rest of the team. With Harden, you have to shut him down because he was unstoppable.

    • @johnsepulvedacruz6428
      @johnsepulvedacruz6428 Před rokem +1

      @@mycole1990 free throws *
      He was getting bs calls.

    • @thoughtsintheclouds8516
      @thoughtsintheclouds8516 Před rokem

      @@mycole1990 like I said Luka is better… Luka is way more efficient and don’t forget he’s 23! And getting to the line 15-20 times a game isn’t unstoppable just chessy. But I mean if your judging him being better cus of that then go off 😂

    • @anthonycelestin3559
      @anthonycelestin3559 Před rokem +2

      THOUGHTS IN THE CLOUDS That’s not true. Harden is actually more efficient based on his TS% which has been 60% or more in most of his years in Houston. Luka has been below 60% TS in most of his years except this year which Luka’s TS is 62% this year.
      You can’t just measure efficiency by field goal %. TS% accounts for 3s & free throws. Harden is a better 3 point shooter than Luka where Harden shot 36-37% from 3 consistently compared to Luka who has shot only at 35% and Harden attempts more free throws & makes more free throws by shooting a better % from the kind

  • @sydguitar99
    @sydguitar99 Před rokem +3

    Until Luka can face a team as great as the prime Warriors that went 73-9 then I don't think he can clear Harden bc that man gave the Warriors fits. There's a reason why everyone said whoever won the west was winning the chip bc Harden was just that damn good. Luka nearly got swept by this weak version of the Warriors, held him to below 40% shooting in game 4 and 5 and he had a +/- of -12 for the series

    • @pickaside
      @pickaside  Před rokem +5

      He doesn’t need to face a team as great as that to prove he’s better than Harden. Ultimately, Harden did not win. He did give the Warriors fits but CP3 was a huge part of that (he sealed game 5). Luka has never played with a player as great as CP3 yet

    • @sydguitar99
      @sydguitar99 Před rokem +7

      @pickaside but Cp3 missed 20+ games in 2018 and 2019, so Harden was doing a carry job and in 2018 Cp3 got hurt, 2019 cp3 choked. I mention that Warriors team bc Luka will never play against a defense as elite as that prime Warriors team that Harden was averaging 32ppg against in the playoffs on above-average efficiency. Not too mention Luka nearly got swept by this version of the Warriors which is nowhere even close to the level of the 73-9 team Harden faced

    • @MemesOfProduction69
      @MemesOfProduction69 Před rokem +1

      Lmaoooo Harden wouldn't have done FUCK ALL against the Clippers with healthy Kawhi and PG.

    • @thejoelmoranshow
      @thejoelmoranshow Před rokem +2

      @@sydguitar99 Harden carried in the regular season and deserves credit but I dont see much of a difference between that and what Luka is doing now. The Mavericks are currently the 4th seed in a tough west and his two best teammates are Wood and Dinwiddie

    • @sydguitar99
      @sydguitar99 Před rokem +1

      @@MemesOfProduction69 The same Harden who averaged 33ppg against the 73-9 Warriors???

  • @jaelanmcclellan6679
    @jaelanmcclellan6679 Před rokem

    Bigger Harden fan than anybody out there. Luka not fw the GSW teams. But I’m taking Luka. He’ll be my guy when harden is gone

  • @eazymb.
    @eazymb. Před rokem +1

    I don’t know how anyone with a straight face doesn’t think Luka is a better version of James Harden .

    • @Notcleverenough
      @Notcleverenough Před rokem +2

      Misses freethrows, has done nothing, is a terrible passer, cries all the time. Pretty simple to me

    • @omelettefolder5035
      @omelettefolder5035 Před rokem

      @@Notcleverenough he’s gotten to as many WCF as James Harden already LMFAO. And averages more assists. Has a deeper bag of tricks which means his numbers go UP in the playoffs while Harden’s go DOWN. He does complain but Harden is honestly the biggest foulbaiter of all time in NBA HISTORY so that is a useless point. Luka is just Harden with an elite mid range and post game. He’s very very slightly worse at 3’s than Harden that’s about it. And he’s an actual positive on the boards and not just a easy rebound merchant.

    • @AnkitSharma-qm7sg
      @AnkitSharma-qm7sg Před rokem

      @@Notcleverenough has done nothing? nba teams are scared of playoff luka. hes done so much damage in the playoffs. without him, clippers would be champions. all the man needs is a reliable consistent team that drill their open shots and chips galore.

    • @eazymb.
      @eazymb. Před rokem

      @@Notcleverenough He does miss free throws. I’ll raise you he doesn’t ignore an entire area of the court, even can operate in the high post . The hasn’t done anything argument just proves how on dick you are. James Harden was my favorite player for 8 years and has never played as consistently well in the playoffs. James Harden doesn’t guard anyone either and was/is a notorious cry baby. No one that actually knows ball, looks at both players and doesn’t think Luka at age 23-24 isn’t a better player than Harden was, and will continue to go on that trajectory. Hasn’t done anything? They both led teams to a WCF LOSS against GS. Luka has done it earlier, and raises his game in the playoffs more consistently. It’s indisputable and people need to hop off that weird shit.

  • @idkwhattodo127
    @idkwhattodo127 Před rokem

    A better passer than Luka ??? 🤦🏾‍♂️ Wtf Are Y'all Smoking 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @mycole1990
      @mycole1990 Před rokem +1

      He is tho. Luka has flashy passes but isn’t necessarily a good playmaker, Harden on the other hand was getting tripled team. Harden success was due to his ability to iso and facilitate

  • @Yee2792
    @Yee2792 Před rokem

    I can’t ever consider harden anywhere close to Kobe with the way he flames out of the playoffs every time.. it’s a joke and playoff performances do matter the greatest players shine when the lights are brightest

  • @indamaking
    @indamaking Před rokem +1

    This isn’t even Prime Luka