I tried putting an RTX 4060 into a Dell Optiplex 9020. Here’s how it went
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- The RTX 4060 recently released on June 29th 2023. This is the “budget” card of Nvidia’s Geforce 40 series, and I’ve had my eye on it since it was announced a few months ago. The first thing I thought when I saw the announcement was “I wonder if I can get this to work in a Dell Optiplex”. Well now that day has come, so check out the video and see how it goes!
PC specs:
Dell Optiplex 9020 MT
Intel i7-4790
20 GB DDR3 Ram
256 GB SSD
500 GB HDD
GTX 1650
RTX 4060
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0:00 Intro
0:39 Unboxing
1:30 Adapter and PC Specs
2:21 Installation
4:06 Moment of Truth
4:47 Horizon Zero Dawn Benchmarks
7:22 Witcher 3 Benchmarks
9:52 Elden Ring Benchmarks
11:06 Conclusion - Věda a technologie
Just a note if you try this yourself, use a dual SATA to 8-pin adapter to be safe! The way I did it in my video was for testing purposes only, not long term gaming.
So i could actually run this thing at home?
Can i just buy another psu?
Can you advise why you recommend dual SATA to 8-pin?
@@jasonheiser5017 it's just a bit safer, but still a risk at that
@@juniordarilson2300 yes that is actually the recommended approach
reduce on the sound effects a bit but otherwise good video!
Thank you! Yeah was having a little too much fun with CapCut lol
i found it funny tbh xD
It was kinda funny but also loud and a bit excessive 😅 Still enjoyed the video. But I know for a fact that the 4th gen i7 is bottlenecking the GPU. An 8th gen would probably be a lot better
@@RotcodFox dude... don't assume things... 56% bottleneck with an i7 8700... i knew it was huge before i even checked it online
Lmao I like tbh I’m bipolar I can kinda understand how you got real into the effects XD
Surprising how good the old CPUs are. I had a 1060 (120W TDP - slightly more than the 4060) in an 11 year old Dell Vostro 470 with a 350W PSU and i7 3770 for the past 5 years and it worked fine for a great deal of stuff. I've just put a used 3070 in a Dell Outlet Optiplex 7000MT (220W TDP, 500W PSU, i7 12700) and that's awesome.
Wow very cool! Fun to hear about all the different combinations
CPUs are good for a quite a time which is a big part of why older CPUs still cost quite a bit for quite a long time I have 5 old PC each with i5 lga 1151 socket CPUs decent CPUs trash mother boards ... Ilthe cheapest way to build a decent PC take old work units and rebuild in better mother board ram GPU storage and PSU and u can make a decent pc
Similar build to me, I got the 3060ti and the I5 13600K with a 750W power supply. Going to upgrade to the 7900XT this Christmas
Bro you can stick a 1060 GTX graphics card in a Dell Optiplex 990 and it works just fine with only a 265 watt power supply
This is Bottleneck city though
I did a similar build with an Optiplex and a slightly older mid-high range GPU for one of my kids that needed a light gaming computer. There are ways to use a normal ATX power supply in those but I had to put a buck converter for what I remeber was standby current I think and solder some cables to match the orignal harness. Great video though and nice to see this kind of quality from a small channel, hope you succeed in making it grow 👍
Wow sounds like you put some work into that! Thank you for the support!
Probably too much work. Those old Dell Optiplex are not very flexible. I struggle and fail to justify turning one into a gaming PC. OK if you can game on a really basic R7 340 but not if you want proper gaming. It gets expensive fast.
good video clicked out of curiosity and enjoyed it very much
Thanks! Much appreciated
Still a pretty good computer for its age. When this computer was new,other computers that were as old as this computer is now were barely able to browse the web. I also have a 9020 but the SFF version also with the 4790 and 16GB of ram,500gb ssd and 1tb hdd that i keep as a spare computer and i was thinking into putting a GPU in it just to have a small sleeper pc. Also be careful with those GPU power adapters,i used one for a Radeon R9 270 and one of the cables melted after 1 month with moderate use
Yep the old computers are great! No flashy lights but the performance is all that matters
Good video. I believe you are with-in less than 5% of the maximum under load watts that adapter can handle including the pci-e slot with the rtx 4060. The spinning rust drive is splitting that connection and it uses almost 10w under load. Might want to under volt the video card and under clock it by 10% just to be safe.
I enjoyed your video. I recently picked up an OptiPlex SFF 7010 on eBay and I've been having fun upgrading it. It came nicely refurbished with 16GB RAM and 240GB SSD, and I've added an additional 500GB SSD for game storage, and an RTX A2000 (also not budget priced). I chose that GPU it gets its power from the PCIE rail (it only draws 70W), and it plays most of my Steam library well at medium settings on a 1080p monitor. I've become a fan of the older office desktops.
Thanks! And nice on the 7010 SFF, I am planning to a video on an SFF in the future
you would find very handy those PCIe adapter with magnetic support base, so you'll put the gfx card out of the case. Only drawbacks are the case must stay open.
Great video! Family member of mine has an HP with a 9NTH gen i5 & 320w psu and I’m wondering what I could put in there. Would a 4060 not sip enough power to blow the thing up or should I look at lower options?
I think rx6600 would be better fit and not be bottlenecked as much by the cpu, would love to see a comparison with a rx6600!
Great suggestion! I would definitely be open to doing a video comparing the two
@@PetesParts16the video should be very interesting, especially in 1080p (or 1440p fsr quality) and more CPU heavy titles
I paired my 4790 with an Rx6600 last year and unfortunately the bottleneck is there. I wouldn't call it a bad experience, any game I threw at it ran perfectly fine around 60FPS. But you get the occasional stutters and frametime spikes, and no matter what I did I couldn't get past the 70-ish frame barrier with any modern game I tried.
6600 has far worse ray tracing, no dlss 3 and frame generation and not as power efficient.
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716Let's be real here. You're not getting good RT out of any GPU with 8gb of VRAM on modern, demanding games. Especially if paired with an older system like on the video. I have an rtx 3060 Ti and 12400f on a custom build and already get bottlenecked on VRAM just playing 1080p ultrawide without RT.
I would have suggested a dual SATA to single 8-pin adapter instead. With the single, you're going to be overloading the single SATA connection max of 54 watts, and that's the only real danger to doing this. With the dual adapter, the 290 watt power supply has more than enough power to deal with the 4060. which barely consumes more power than a card that doesn't have a dedicated power connection. Keep in mind that the CPU won't consume more than 60 watts in a worst case scenario, less in gaming. All in... that system is consuming well under 200 watts. The other thing is... if you're using it at 1080p, the 4060 will never come close to drawing it's rated power due to being massively bottlenecked. And that's the real reason to avoid doing this. Despite the the 4060 being a bad price to performance card, a 4th Gen i7 just can't keep up. I was kinda' surprised to see how well it managed to do at 1440p... but still.
Great suggestion on the dual SATA. I’ll be moving this card to another PC but if I were keeping it in the Optiplex I would definitely optimize my SATA slots. I was also surprised about 1440p, I haven’t even had a chance to test at 1080p yet but I would imagine the performance would be better. Appreciate the comment and thanks for watching the video!
yes, totally agree with this. this funny hair dude is an expert on dell.
Honestly I'm amazed the system worked and that too in a good way. I have a 9020 dell opti and have been using a single sata to pcie to power my 1650 DDR6 version and it works ok but the moment I try upgrading to 1650 super or 1660 super using the same pcie connection, the system crashes after gaming for 15 to 30 mins. Not sure if it's coz of a single sata to pcie. Haven't tried a dual sata to 6pin though as I don't have 1 to test
Yeah, that's why this works, the CPU can't drive the GPU hard enough to melt the 12v wires. It's sub-optimal which is OK except you're paying a lot for that GPU in order to save money on the rest of the system.
@@PetesParts16 I would imagine the performance would be worse at 1080p. At least at 1440p the GPU has something to do. You want to increase the settings which create GPU load and decrease those that create CPU load. The poor CPU could not keep up. More GPU load generally lightens the load on the CPU.
My secondary PC is an i5-7600K overclocked to 5GHz on air, such a great CPU and a lucky bin too - can't bear to part from it. Some older games are starting to act funky with large core count CPUs, and for everyday use it's still lightning fast. Tonnes and tonnes of life in old parts.
Such a great time for budget pc builders!
Looks like something I’d do if I had the budget. Very nice man I went ahead subscribed. I run a similar channel and I love finding people who share the passion for the budget segment!
I’ll be seeing you around.
Awesome! Thanks for the sub. I will check out your channel!
@@PetesParts16 shoot me an email if ur interested in a colab sometime.
bro you should be on TV loved the video and your a legend! keep doing your thing and you will hit a million subscribers soon. i was the 1000 like on your video!
I appreciate that thank you! Congrats on the 1000th like!
Great vid, you managed to keep my attention better than most people doing similar projects.
Thanks! Appreciate it
It's really amazimg to see how older hardware is still very capable. If your target is 1080p 60fps, your options are abundant. I myself just recently snagged a Lenovo Thinkstation P310 off ebay for $108 (with tax and shipping) came with an i7-6700 and 8 gigs of ram. I bought a used RTX 2060 for $150 also off ebay. Paired together and you get quite the capable system. If you want to get your foot in the door of pc gaming but don't want to spend a whole lot of money, this is definitely the route to go.
So many great budget options. As long as you don’t want flashy lights or anything (and even if you do with mods) these old components are more than capable.
THANKS!
I ordered a 4060ti yesterday, it wont arrive until near the end of July =(
I knew when I ordered it I would also need to upgrade my cpu to avoid bottlenecking but now since I see your i7-4790 is a bit better than my R. 3 1200, I know I'll be ok for a few weeks until I can get a cpu =)
Nice! Enjoy!
Interesting video
Just fyi sata power cables are rated for 4.5A per power rail.
Since the 4060 in this build can draw 75W from the pcie connector, it's probably drawing 40-45W from the sata 12v rail. Probably okay except you've also got an hdd plugged in along the same connector -- so you are probably very close to the max tolerances.
Viewers need to be aware that using sata to pcie 8 pin adapters can be dangerous if the go over spec on the power draw
Great point which is part of the reason I was nervous about this. A dual SATA to 8-pin would make more sense, I just did not have the slots available. Ideally I remove the HDD and put in a bigger SSD so I can have the 2 SATA’s available for the 8 pin. I will be using this card in a Lenovo Thinkstation next so this Optiplex is not a long term build for me.
@@PetesParts16 PCIe power cables are overengineered to well exceed their rated Wattage but the SATA connector is not so I would not try to pull more than 50ish Watts through one
I recommend you to look after a little bit more specific:
1. PCIe connector power specification 75W is maxed with 3.3V+12V rail all togeter. 12V is only 66W
2. That is a theoretical max. The exact power consumption throug PCIe connector specified by the CARD itself How the engineers design in the factory and not by the theoretical MAX. In pratical: A Radeon RX 580 VGA only consumes MAX. 30-45Watt through the PCIe X16 connector. The rest of the power comes from the 6/8PIN PCIe PWR cable.
So a User SHOULD even more carefully do what that they try to do. They power converters are not certified, so we need to mesure the exact Power consumptions to clear these converters are safe to use or not.
nice bro, to get 4060 is still in my dream 😁👍wish you all the best bro
when you turned off upscaling everything evened out... it was nice to see
you dont know how much i needed this video because i got the exact same crazy idea, thanks but im really worried about the sata to 8pin connector, should i just upgrade the PSW or its just isnt possible? either way thank you❤
Glad you liked the video! Safest way would be to upgrade the PSU that has a built in 8-pin, yes. If you go the SATA route, I would recommend a dual SATA to 8-pin cable over the single (like I did in the video) to be safe.
I was running a 3770K until early 2020, went through multiple GPUs, 660, 970, 1070, 2070. It was a custom build so I could overclock it a good bit. Still running the same case and power supply. Now with a 5700x and 3060
I had an i7-2600k overclocked to 4.7ghz it's entire life from 2010 until April of this year. I went from a gtx 480 to gtx 680 to gtx 1060 6gb to rtx 3070 founders edition all on that cpu. It wasn't until the rtx 3070 untl the cpu couldn't keep up at all, not even in 4k. I upgraded to a 13600k and now the maximum fps I used to get on the 2600k is the 0.1% lows I get now. It's night and day different. But, I'd really hope so after 11 generations of cpu lol. I just hope I can get half as much use out of this 13600k as I did the 2600k.
100th sub my boy! Great video! Just take it easy with the sound effects lol
Thank you! Appreciate the support. And yeah no more sound effects 😎
@@PetesParts16 glad to hear it lol. I look forward to your next video!
A Intel i7-4790 is actually very competent CPU. I'm shocked how well it performs after all this time. Intel 6th gen and the 9th gen are some good milestones for budget pc builds in the future.
For sure!
I am surprised that intel i3 8100 had 4 core 4 thread clocked at 3.6Ghz which is enough for daily uses and light photoshop purposes
when it comes to raw processing power there wasnt a big change on consumer CPUs in the last 10 years.
mostly new instruction sets and security features that where added, its not those big jumps anymore where you went up a Ghz in speed and double the cores with each Processsor generation
If anyone is interested in any other benchmarks let me know in the comments. I have God of War 2018 and Fortnite and a few others. There is also a DLSS mod for Elden Ring out there I am going to look into.
good luck and God bless with your testing bro that 4060 is a decent gpu
Thanks, you too!
Good video, here are some suggestions,
Sound effects as some have said arent needed, although all the comments about it are good for the algorithm.
The looping music, either keep it out or adjust the volume way down.
Try to show gameplay using a capture card.
Get a better microphone that will block out noise from the fans etc. specifically when doing videos with a lot of talking, the audio quality is in my opinion more important then video.
Great advice thank you!
what's your psu? you gave all specs except the most important one! (noted it's 290 watts)
Reminds me of my good ole days when I worked at Dell and built those computers. Before they moved out.
Nice video! I would recommend using a capture card for the gameplay, and a Blue Yeti microphone is a great starter mic. Camera's are expensive so i'll forgive that aspect. Keep at it, and good luck with channel growth. :) (Also, the goofy sounds were a little too loud, but everyone has their own editing style).
Thank you! Yes I have all of those just shot this one old school style :) aiming to make each video better and better. Thanks for the feedback!
What an interesting experiment, this guy is underrated
Thanks it was a fun experiment!
Great work Pete! Have you tried using OBS to record your benchmarking?
Thanks! Yes I use OBS but the videos were looking choppy so I did it the old fashioned way 😎 I’ll adjust my settings and use OBS for my next video
@@PetesParts16 looking forward to the next one then!
that adapter is a fire waiting to happen, brave man
Lol yes I’ve gotten many comments about that. It was mainly just to test, I am not currently using this setup 🙂
whats ur PSU? i kinda want to buy a gpu for my 9020 too, but i find looking for psu a bit tedious... the stock is like 290W so def not enough, right?
I have an old pc that had an lga1150 motherboard. I also got me a i7 4790 for like $50 and a cheap used video card and I can't wait to use it.
Very nice!
Great idea
Thanks!
randomly got this recommended to me, funnily enough i have a dell optiplex 9010 and replaced its og gpu with an amd rx 580 2048sp and its doing just as fine, so seeing you also using a modern gpu on an old pc is not really surprising to me (apart from the fact youre using a gpu beyond the cpu's capabilities so its bottlenecked), but nice nonetheless
unfortunately the only problem i have with the gpu is the fact that its a bit large that its barely touching the ram clips and actually blocking the sata ports, only going to get at least 1-2 sata cables due to gpu touching those cables, but i only have one ssd anyway in this pc
I have the same PC but with a gtx 1660 and a 500w Powersupply. And i am thinking to upgrade to a 4060 and cpu at a late date. Im just curious how high will the tempature get? I play games around 2 - 3 hours.
I didn’t test it for those lengths but I think you will be ok on temperature especially with the upgraded power supply and low power consumption of the 4060
Not changing the PSU doesn't make a lot of sense to me for a gaming work station build. I have the exact same Optiplex, and the 24 to 8 adapter is less than ten dollars on Amazon. At that point your GPU options open up immensely. Personally I have a 750W PSU and since it's a budget build, a 1080ti mini (not enough space for a full length). Heat was a big problem though. I was venting out the front which was hugely heating up my storage drives. I had a few little MOLEX fans laying around that I hot glued into the side vent as an intake, and I glued another intake fan in the front of the case. That got the heat flowing out the rear like it should and the rigs been working pretty well for the last year.
Sounds like you’ve done a lot of work to it!
I recently upgraded my Lenovo M83 tower with a Xeon E3-1265L v3 an RTX 2060-Super and used an adapter in order to make it work with a standard 650W PSU. I had to rip off the lower HDD cage for the GPU to fit, but now it works wonders. My main PC (an Asus B85) got a better treatment, a Xeon E3-1285L v3, 32gb of RAM and an RTX 4060. Thankfully, a motherboard+CPU combo can work well through multiple generations of GPUs.
That’s great! I love hearing about all these different pc combinations
Hi Pete, I tried installing a RTX2060 the other day but couldn't remove it because the card is blocking the pcie latch, i had to use a metal piece to poke the latch from the side in order to remove the card, I'm planning to get a pcie extender to install the gpu, perhaps u can do one video one install the card vertically?
I can look into doing that! Was the 2060 a 2 or 3 fan card?
Dude, I transplanted the same optiplex you have to a new tower and was able to add a 650 watt power supply with an RTX 3050 and I can't believe how great my games are running with this old processor. Have a like and a good day.
That’s awesome! Yes these old computers can handle gaming just fine and they are fun to build!
I love how people now are making sleeper PC with these machines, i got a 7020 with 480 ssd and 4 gigs for 60 dollars, chug a RX 580 that i got for 50 on facebook marketplace and a 550W power supply for 40 dollars and a cherry on top put a 15 x2 4gb ram sticks from amazon and is a beast for its price. Sadly it runs SFVI kinda slow (my intention was to snag a pc to play SF6) but maybe putting an i7-4790 should do the trick.
They are a great value and fun to build!
Im kind of doing the same thing, i got a great deal on a 3060ti and I’m gonna put it in a dell like this, it’s basically the same as yours but they are different dells and I’ve swapped the case so i don’t remember the model number, Ill probably have the 3060ti in there till i can build a pc with the graphics card, or upgrade the motherboard and cpu to run windows 11. Great video!
Oh, and I did upgrade the psu, so it can support the 3060ti
Awesome! The 3060ti is still slightly ahead of the 4060 in terms of performance so it’s a great card to have
Hi, you should put a camera or use a phone to clearly visualize the fps counter
(i mean u should zoom the camera to the fps counter )
Thanks for the feedback. I recorded using OBS for my next video
Acer Aspires are a great option for this kind of build. They use standard ATX power supplies and can be swapped out.
I also have a Dell Precision T5610 with dual Xeons which even being a decade old at this point still is a powerhouse. Got it used from an animation studio.
Aspire ones are not that great. The Veriton is the one to get - they are Acer's business grade desktops and they are as tough as Dell's PCs and they use standard parts and connectors too
@@laur6405 Might depend on models and specific years. I have an Aspire TC-885 and it is compact but pretty much everything is standard parts. The only real caveat is it won't fit 3 fan style GPUs without some mods (they are too long) and blower style GPUs are better just because ventilation is not great. I swapped out a modular 650 Gold rated SPU and put in a Founders Edition 1080ti and was good to go. Maxed out the ram to 32GB. I got my Acer from a refurb shop that takes in off lease office PCs.
There are also SFF versions I would not mess with though too.
I'm using a Dell Precision T5810 with a single 6 core/12 thread Xeon 32gb DDR4 quad channel memory that I found last summer on the curb. Someone was throwing it out on garbage night! I put a SSD with Win10 Pro and a GTX 1080 in it and it is currently the best computer I ever had!
That is good to know about the Acer Aspires. I've had some luck with budget builds using Dell Optiplex PCs but that's all I could get my hands on whenever my work place upgrades.
@@Vile-Flesh I have a Zotac 1070 Amp Extreme in my 5810. Doesn't fit in the Acer because Zota put a cooler big enough for a 3080 on it. lol That is the only real drawback with the smaller mid tower case on the Acer Aspire and a non issue if you stay away from overkill AIB GPU designs.
CPU intensive games will put your PC to it's knees though, I don't recommend Xeons for gaming at all unless you just don't have the cash to make a future proof PC.
Great results. I think the system is balanced except for the psu. This demonstrates you don't need a new cpu to handle most of the games. In 1080p your cpu will heavily bottleneck this gpu, at 1440p the cpu bottleneck is small and in 4k your cpu will work at 60% to 70% while the gpu be at 100% usage. In 4k you may need a stronger gpu to remain in equilibrium I think. Also in some games frame generation will not help if your cpu usage is near to 100% because it increases the cpu load, so it is useful when the gpu needs help not the cpu. It would be interesting to see the system with a stronger gpu in 4k with an external or a new psu.
Very insightful thanks
Good analysis.
I use my for rendering in blender, which pretty heavy on the gpu side of things, as long as I give make sure my cpu was a little time to rest between frames, by upping the passes, it’s a pretty decent little CGI workhorse. My actual problem is the space on the card. I have the 1060 super with 6gb but want the extra 2 that comes with the 4060.
I just put an msi RTX4060 (115w) into a Dell XPS8940 pc (360w psu), replacing a GTX1650-Super (100w) and it seems to be working fine. I used a 6 pin to 8 pin adapter on the power cable that previously attached to the old card. My reasoning was the PCI-E slot provides 75w, and the old 6 pin line is spec'ed for upto 75w, so there was no way the 115w RTX4060 could demand more power than was available. I mainly play Age of Empires 4 (Aoe4) in 1080p so its not stretching the 4060 hard, BUT its been well worth it, my frame rates in 8 player games were unplayable before (eg. 8 fps when busy), but now they hardly ever drop below 60fps.
Very nice!
With prices these days I would get something more modern but if anyone is still getting one of these older systems, I would highly recommend its one of the i7s with 4core/8 threads. Ps4 console era was 10 years ago now so all games which target them as a baseline have had 7 cores to work with, the 8 total threads makes a big difference on modern games, you may not even see it on FPS but on 1% lows, studdering, things like that.
Definitely worth getting a 9020 series for the i7 4790
That laugh at :30sec scared the eff out of me. 🤣🤣🤣
Sorry lol
you should do test with FG, it bypases CPU bottlnecks, would be interesting with this office desktops with old CPUs
I was actually testing this with the Witcher 3 yesterday. I didn’t have HAGS on in my video so it was grayed out, but when I turned it on I could test frame gen. It nearly doubled the FPS on Ultra Ray Tracing settings which was incredible.
bro these sound effects are hilarious theyre so out of place 😂 I think itll get old fast though so definitely tone it down a bit in the future. good video!
I liked the video but it wouldve been nice to show a small amount of running on the old GPU before the upgrade (if it worked, I mayve missed that if you mentioned it didnt?), just to show those that dont deal with PC stuff often, the upgrade effectiveness of individual components vs a whole new PC.
Great point. I do have a couple shorts on my channel that show some benchmarks with the GTX 1650, but yes having them side by side in the video would be helpful
@@PetesParts16 OK, cool. Thats perfect. Ill check those out! The 4060 is leaps ahead of a 1650, so I get why you didnt do a side by side comparison, but Im a nerd and still like to, so thx for pointing me toward your 1650 shorts!
Oh damn I was hoping it was the SFF 9020. I have helped people upgrade several of the small form factor becasue you can get them refurbished with i5 or i7, 16 - 32gb ram and 500gb SSD ranging from $85-170. I wonder if that vgtx 1650 would fit. It's probably too all/thick. They have to be single slow low profile but I would jsut get a damn riser cable and make it work haha. I can't even boot up Battlefront 2 (2005) because the integrated is so so so bad. It's weird how bad the integrated graphics are on it.
I have a 9020, I was wondering what do you think is the maximum gpu that a 9020 can handle? Your response will be really appreciated I’ve been looking for a new graphics card but I don’t know what’s the most high end gpu that is perfectly fine with the 9020
Something like a 1650 Super is probably the ideal card for a 9020, but you could go as high as a 1660ti or 3050 without changing the power supply. If you change the power supply then you could go up to a 1080 for that 8 gb vram
I got a dell PC with i7-2600, only problem I think the PCIe slot is 2.0
Speaking from behind from my FX 6300, older gear is perfectly fine for HD gaming, which is most common so far and will be in the upcoming 2-3 years
Yep can definitely get away with gaming on the old stuff which is great!
Haven't watched all your videos yet, so I'm not sure if this is an extreme budget build or what, but it might be time to upgrade that PSU. Using those SATA to power adapters can get iffy. I melted one before!
This is true. People at home should not do this with SATA power. Not only is it a bit dangerous, but it also tops out at 54watts, which isn't enough even for the 4060.
I'm glad I have finally found something about budget / pretty entry-level gaming with an old-school business PC and an ACTUAL RECENT GPU! I am always bothered by the fact, majority of the other videos here about gaming on business PCs, are only using old NVidia / AMD GPUs from older generations, as some are being already 3-4 years old! Also, main issue with these old GPUs is the fact they're might have their driver support dropped within 1-2 years, like AMD RX4xx and RX5xx series, or NVidia GT 9xx and GT 10xx, as NVidia GT 7xx, GT 6xx and older are now already discontinued from the green team. While in the RTX 4060's case, it is a recently released card and will be futureproof when coming to driver support! I don't know why majority of people are that much hating the low-budget closer to the entry-level NVidia's GPUs! I think this card is pretty good for those with lower budget! There is a reason pretty much every modern game do actually have options for: running Windowed / Borderless mode with lower resolution than the monitor's native one; having also Very Low / Low / Medium graphic setting, rather High / Very High / Ultra ones only; implementation of NVidia DLSS and AMD FSR. That's why these exist - exactly do can be played on such weaker, integrated or older GPUs, rather on a powerful ones only...
I like the "Keyboard not found! Press F1 to continue" message 4:34 💀
Is it better to use two sata power connectors for one 8 pin pcie? I remember looking into this once and concluding two is best, but I honestly don't remember why I drew that conclusion and am too lazy to look it up again.
Yes I would recommend two SATA to one 8 pin. It’s so that you have enough wattage coming through the connectors to supplement the PCIe power. I used a single connector bc that’s all I had available in my build but I would not recommend it
it wil work but be safe with that sata cable it only can drow 65w safely. try to touch the cable while sress testing it the cable might burn
have you tried the i7 4790K cpu on a Dell Optiplex 9020? i know Dell Optiplex 9020 doesn't support overclock but it still work. I do have this processor on Dell Optiplex 9020 and runs pretty great with no issue and little bit faster then the i7 4790.
I have not tried it but will look into it!
Get a power supply adaptor cable since it sounds like a PS with proprietary connectors. I did that for one of my HP towers and run a 600 watt PS so I could use a decent video card.
Nice video ❤❤
Thanks!
When I buy budget machines now I try for workstation models mostly because they are much easier to get with better PSU's for better expandability. When everything new was unobtanium during the pandemic I got a precision T5810 with an 800wt PSU, served me well until I built my current system and is now my VM server with a Xeon E5-2678V3. That said the optiplex is like half the cost so they really aren't bad machines for the money.
The xeon's more likely to bottleneck than the one in the video. Single core clock speed is one of the biggest performance influences for gaming. usually frames are limited by a single critical path in code.
@@skip485 The v2/v3 16xx Xeons were very comparable to the i5-i7's of the time. The 1650v3 for instance is pretty much the same CPU as the 4790 with a slightly lower clock, no cores disabled and higher TDP if I'm remembering all my model numbers right. Anyone who cares that much for gaming isn't likely looking at a nearly 10 year old system so I figure it's a wash overall.
Damn! What a great video you just made there. I was probably going to get the RTX 3050 6GB Low power ver. But you've just convinced me of getting a RTX 4060, brow what should I get!?
If you are planning to upgrade in the future, you can go the 4060 route, otherwise the 3050 6gb is honestly the perfect fit for an Optiplex since it is slot powered. I am actually thinking of making another video with the 3050 6gb in this same type of Optiplex
@@PetesParts16 What resolution is the monitor you tested it with? 2K 1440p or 4k?
@@isramx2999 I tested with a 1440p monitor
Could you explain why you would want to avoid long game sessions? What could happen?
It would probably be fine I would just be nervous about it overheating or shorting especially with only a 290w psu
Power supply failure:
I played BioShock infinite in 2012 to completion when it came out with a dumpster dived dell vostro with a weak 280watt power supply with a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 which "required" a 500 watt plus power supply. In all the hours of playing bioshock the power supply shut down (like everything just turned off and wouldn't turn back on for a few minutes) ONLY TWICE. It was during intense combat both times. I was amazed. I had blown my budget completely on graphics card and it actually worked fine and paid off and i was able to finish the game. The power supply failed shortly after that and I bought the cheapest 500 watt power supply I could get and the system worked perfectly. I put it in storage when I got a better system but despite the abuse I'm sure it would power on just fine today.
i've got 9020 with same spec with yours. i put a gtx960 with the original psu, when it comes to video rendering, all the problem arise. long story short, i bought a corsair psu and a thermaltake cooler. after that everything run smoothly for 2-3 years. only the last few weeks, sometimea the gpu is sending blank signal, or not detected by bios. I guess my 960 can't take the beating any longer.
Time for an upgrade?!
@@PetesParts16 i guess so. despite gpu are getting cheaper i still can't afford it. i'm pretty happy with cpu rendering, although i have to keep an eye to the cpu temp. that's why i bought a better cooler.
Would like to have seen the figures for the 1650 on the same games as well, to see what the difference is.
I do have a couple shorts that show some brief benchmarks with the 1650
About to try something similar, although i now know i should get better results than this. Had an old hp prebuilt stil hangin around. I7 9700 with a 1660ti i believe. Got the 4060 from a buddy for a case of beer and 100$
After seeing your video im pretty sure this will work out just fine
Nice! Sounds like it should work. Good luck!
@@PetesParts16 thank you
Nice video! Hope you keep making them as it seems you're just starting out. Subscribed! 👍👍
Thanks for the sub! More to come for sure
Remember the saying molex to sata - lose all your data? I just couldn't stop thinking about it while watching you install the card's power adapter. BtW the GTX 1650 isn't even as fast as a GTX 1060, so no wonder it's a big upgrade and I'm glad you're happy with the upgrade. However it's very disappointing of Nvidia how 3rd gen tensor cores card still greatly struggles to bring max settings and ray-tracing to the mainstream just like the 1st gen 2060 did.
Sata to PCIE-8pin are very dangerous cables and can lead to melting/fire over long periods of time
bro maxed out the starter weapon
Please note that SATA to 8-pin PCI-E power adapters are a FIRE-HAZARD! one single wire from SATA to 3 wires at the PCI-E ! Not a good thing. The adapter uses only one (1) of the 12V SATA cables, which on the DELL factory cables are the thinner gauge (AWG20). This will start to melt at the connecting point (at the SATA Male to Female connection) ! The question is not if it will melt, but when exactly it will melt...
The power going through this single AWG20 cable will be at least 50W for GPU + 10W for HDD + 10 W for DVD = 70W or probably even more. A single SATA AWG20 wire and single SATA connection will not be able to handle that for long without causing major trouble.
There was a suggestion from other guys who recommended using two SATA to one PCI-E. This will be SLIGHTLY better - the two SATA connectors will handle this power a bit better, but the trouble then will come from the thin DELL factory cable ... :( There are TWO real solutions: 1) using only videocards which do not require PCI-E cables, like for example, Nvidia RTX A2000. 2) upgrade of the PSU to 350-550 W - it will come with several PCI-E cables, and will require a 24-pin ATX to 8-pin DELL motherboard connector (about $4.00).
Upgrading the PSU is MUCH better! Consider this: if CPU is at 90-100% load, the GPU is at ~90-100% load, and if suddenly the ~120W Videocard for a few milliseconds spikes the consumption to let's say ~200-220W the computer will immediately hang or much more likely - restart. And this happens ... a lot more often than you think! So having a bit more than 290W (the standard DELL PSU is rated at) will be much better.
Thanks for this comment, all very good points
its a good video ! because I got a optiplex and I am going to buy an rtx and the adapter but where is the adapter ?
You can find them on Amazon. Go for a dual SATA to 8 pin tho
@@PetesParts16 ok thanks !
bro has more sound effects in his video than johnny test
I feel like if nvidia just got their own naming scheme right, this would be a great 4050 (or even 4050-ti). IF it was priced like a 4050/ti
Yep if they just priced it a little better it would be a great budget option
i have Intel i5 8400 with no graphics card... just the internal graphics from the main chip and i have 12 gigs ddr4 2333 ram
i dont game on it...... have XSX and ps4 and switch
but was thinking of upgrading to a budget graphics card and maybe 16 ram or 32 ram... do lots of video processing and cd/dvd ripping..... i usually use up to 10 of the ram with tons of windows open
Nice! Yeah you could a budget graphics card with that build and game on it pretty well I would bet
Man. It's wild that we can't hit 60fps on Elden Ring at 1440p Low to me on a 2023 video card. I was hard locked at 60fps max details with a 3070 with a 12th gen i3, I expected more out of the 4060... Oh wait, I just looked at the CPU. Things are starting to click now!
Yes CPU is a big time bottleneck. I’m working on another video with a better cpu and elden ring plays great even with ray tracing
hurt when he showed the sata but its a low power card so it should be fine
It works, but playability is another story. I had to ditch my old 4770 because of the bottlenecks, but if you can put up with the screen tearing and games crashing, be my guest lol.
Lol this is eerily similar to my current build,. I am saving up for mobo and CPU .Have 4790 with water cooler and 4070ti and also 20gb ddr3 ram and a m2 256 gb main HDD and 1 tb mechical. its not much but honest work
Oh wow all in an Optiplex?
what is the best gpu for optiplex? Right now I have gtx 1650 super, and I'm thinking about some upgrade.
Without changing the PSU you could probably go 1660ti or even RTX 3050
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Nice bottleneck. I love them kinds.
Yes definitely a bottleneck. To be expected
4060 is a 1080p gpu though. I'm ok with 1440p between 30-60fps. But 1080p would be a better test.
Is this with the original power supply because i thought i couldnt run a graphics card like that because its only like 300 watts
It is the original power supply! You just need to make sure your GPU doesn’t require a lot of wattage and you can typically make it work
You have to be careful what CPU the optiplex has, they usually only state i3, i5 or i7 not what gen it is.
I did find an Optiplex with i5, 16GB and 500GB SSD for £225 and an RTX 4060 for £345 totalling £570. However the whole thing is bottlenecked. You're having to use a decent and expensive card just so you don't have to buy a new PSU. A cheaper 3060 would do just as well but you'd have to buy a PSU.
It's a nice idea and I wish it made business sense but it does not. Better off buying an old hand built gaming machine with a decent PSU and upgrading the graphics card. You can then upgrade the motherboard at a later date.
will it run at max power? i have same setup but with xfx rx 580 gts peapole suggest me about 700w psu but i have 320 in my hp and its not consuming a lot gpu consume 185w and cpu 85w + 1 eqhaust fan + 256gb ssd + 700gb hdd
Good job
Thanks!
Nice videos
Thanks!
is it really a good idea to go with the stock power supply cuz i also wanna slap in a gtx1060 in a optiplex and others said thats its not a good idea the stock power supply only has 240watts
You should be fine, you’ll just need a sata to 8 pin adapter
You have potential sir keep it up
Thank you very much! Appreciate it
I'd like to know the psu wattage? Cause i have a 290 watts in my system and I'd like to know if it would be possible
My pc specs
i5 4690s
16gb 4x4gb ddr3 ram
128 ssd
1tb harddrive
290 watts PowerSupply
Mine is 290 watts as well. Similar specs to yours all around. I would just recommend a dual SATA to 8 pin instead and do it at your own risk!
4060 is such a weird card in terms of specs but i think i want one , great video pete
Thanks! Yes I was intrigued by this card. Hard to call it a “budget” option but it’s as close to budget as you’ll get for a newer card like this unfortunately
@@PetesParts16 I think budget cards are a thing of the past, or to put it better, old cards still in stock. The 4050 not that much slower than the 4060 I expect to be sold for 250 euros, not much cheaper than the 4060.
What is the rated power supply of the Optiplex?
80+ bronze 290w
Keep the good videos coming
Good job but I have a question : Can you compare side to side RTX 3050 TI with RTX 4060 ? they have the 107 processor both
Thanks! I will definitely look into that for a future video
4:04 my only true concerns are that that 4060 will not have true 150 watts power as its piggie tailed off of a sata port . now , genuinely dont know how much power a 4060 requires but normally an 8pins plus the pcie slot would be 225 watts , never mind , did some research and apparently this very 4060 is rated for 115 watts of tdp , so even the piggie tail is perfectly within limits .
4060 needs 115 watts, so slightly less than a 1660 1060 or 6600
Yeah it’s still close though. Mainly did this for science purposes I wouldn’t want to use this combo as my full time pc