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  • Frank Costello from The Departed is a nihilist...or a Nietzschean...or something. Find out what and also some 19th century philosophy in this here video. Support Renegade Cut Media through Patreon: / renegadecut
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  • @renegadecut9875
    @renegadecut9875  Před 6 lety +216

    AND ANOTHER THING!
    A response to a message I received. Paraphrasing for brevity...
    "Hey, you mention you don't like Nietzschean philosophy. You should do a video about how you do like it next time. You know, to be fair!"
    ...no?
    You can, though. I'm not obligated to "both sides!" something. It's a video essay. It's supposed to have a thesis. An argument it is trying to make. I don't owe a service to people to make the opposite argument to what I believe or pretend that the few good points to a concept are equal to the troubling, far worse points to said concept.
    The pretense of neutrality is not an "honest" position. There is nothing honest about claiming the scales are even when they are not. It is not my duty to muddy the waters by saying "I actively condemn this...but also it's good, so what do I know?" If I made dishonest points, that would be one thing, but I don't believe that I have. I don't have to defend something indefensible to placate people who believe an abhorrent idea and a reasonable idea have exactly the same standing and benefit.
    "I am campaigning for human rights, but TO BE FAIR, I will spend equal time campaigning AGAINST human rights." - something nobody has ever said
    In short, I have no obligation to make your argument for you. Good luck.

    • @trekjudas
      @trekjudas Před 6 lety +5

      Nietzsche valued power (violence?) more than people.

  • @CanIswearinmyhandle
    @CanIswearinmyhandle Před 6 lety +295

    Nietzsche sounds like he would have been an obnoxious twitter user

    • @olliephelan
      @olliephelan Před 5 lety +21

      No , he got severe headaches after writing for 30 minutes, so imagine what Twitter would do to him ?

    • @One21Jiggawatts
      @One21Jiggawatts Před 4 lety +7

      Underrated comment.

    • @bofetada6841
      @bofetada6841 Před 3 lety +2

      Awesome comment

    • @vandolmatzis8146
      @vandolmatzis8146 Před rokem +1

      cogent wit lol

    • @Jackal_El_Lobo34
      @Jackal_El_Lobo34 Před 2 měsíci

      I think he would’ve been an influencer if he lived in our time.

  • @davidwestminster9118
    @davidwestminster9118 Před 6 lety +27

    Just wanted to add that a film which I think lends perfectly to a Nietzschean lens is Alex Garland's Annihilation. I like the model of a self loving woman as a better ubermensch than the typically angsty violent dude.

  • @alexfurnas1263
    @alexfurnas1263 Před 6 lety +49

    dostoyevsky pretty much predicted nietzche's ubermensch concept with raskolnikov's thesis from crime and punishment

    • @enfercesttout
      @enfercesttout Před 5 lety +3

      That's a dig on nechayev actually.

    • @Maxipanda6
      @Maxipanda6 Před 4 lety +7

      Wasn't Dostoyevsky a tsarist bootlicker, even after being tortured by them?

    • @Jackal_El_Lobo34
      @Jackal_El_Lobo34 Před 2 měsíci

      I haven’t read Dostoevsky work yet but I find that incredibly ironic since Nietzsche did openly say that he was influenced by him. How in the world did he miss that?

  • @SomeRandomG33k
    @SomeRandomG33k Před 6 lety +67

    This is a really good video to watch as I wear my new favorite T-shirt, "I am not a Nihilist. I am just depressed."

  • @LivWildStyle
    @LivWildStyle Před 6 lety +26

    There seems to be a bit of a tonal difference between this, and your usual work.

  • @Donovaneagle2098
    @Donovaneagle2098 Před 6 lety +6

    I've not seen you cover Nietzsche before. It was great to see your take on his beliefs. Great video, as always.

  • @lkwwe
    @lkwwe Před 6 lety +71

    Anytime someones describes themselves as "Nihilist" all I can do is think "Wow, that must be exhausting."
    The Dude abides.

  • @trekjudas
    @trekjudas Před 6 lety +72

    I used to admire Nietzche but as time goes by most of his ideas seem to be taken straight from the Ancient Greeks; power for power's sake, to hell with everybody else.

    • @corylarsen5788
      @corylarsen5788 Před 3 lety +3

      I've heard a philosopher remark that, "Nietzsche is a phase that anyone interested in philosophy needs to go through"!

    • @isdel9474
      @isdel9474 Před měsícem

      He's somewhat of a Socates contrarian.

  • @TyrannoNoddy
    @TyrannoNoddy Před 6 lety +17

    I'm no philosophy guy but Nietzschean philosophy can't help but remind me of Objectivism in some ways, namely putting down the poor and oppressed and claiming those who are powerful are justified in having said power

  • @ononono7016
    @ononono7016 Před 5 lety +14

    So that was what Kanye meant with "Slavery a choice"

  • @skeletonkey6
    @skeletonkey6 Před 2 lety +3

    This is a really good discussion. High marks on this, man.

  • @smurphy8881
    @smurphy8881 Před 6 lety +21

    I never understood the value of greatness and how people attempt to justify it.

    • @oof-wi7hp
      @oof-wi7hp Před 4 lety +5

      THANK YOU! Neither do I

    • @Jackal_El_Lobo34
      @Jackal_El_Lobo34 Před 2 měsíci

      Same here. Focusing on greatness isn’t really a good substitute for low self worth or efficacy which Nietzsche was supposedly trying to reconcile.

  • @isdel9474
    @isdel9474 Před měsícem

    Found this gorgeous relic at the bottom of CZcams. No regrets.

  • @sockatume
    @sockatume Před 6 lety +24

    Is it possible for someone to raise their thumbnail game *too* much?

  • @XTremeCaffeine
    @XTremeCaffeine Před 4 lety +4

    The number of times "Nietzchean" was said is giving me flashbacks to Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda

  • @ComradeCorwin
    @ComradeCorwin Před 4 lety +5

    This video was spot on to a problem I faced in my mentality recently. My issue is that I am angry by how the working people of the world have been reduced to cattle and statistics and I came dangerously close to Ezra Pound's quote, "A slave is a man who waits for someone else to free them." I don't want to be lumped in with philosophers like this, so how do I properly interpret my anger and frustration at seeing the noble working class being subdued by the much smaller ruling classes?

    • @bertbaker7067
      @bertbaker7067 Před 9 měsíci +1

      I know what you mean, sometimes I catch myself getting angry when I see other workers supporting and arguing in favor of the system and the people who are exploiting us. When i start getting angry, I try to keep in mind that hundreds of millions of dollars are spent each year on the pro-capitalist propaganda we are bombarded with and that that much money buys really effective and skilled propagandists. Not to mention the violence capitalists use to subdue socialist movements any time they begin to gain traction. I still get frustrated but keeping these things in mind helps. I know it's not much but i hope it helps. Your comment is kinda old, have you found a good way to deal with the anger you mentioned, because I'd love to learn more ways? Thanks

  • @Tsukikorao
    @Tsukikorao Před 6 lety +10

    As an Andromeda fan the opening kinda made me giggle, lol

  • @olddog476
    @olddog476 Před 6 lety +4

    0:12- Something that reminds me of a Kevin Sorbo science fiction show.

  • @chrisdvine
    @chrisdvine Před 5 lety +4

    Best analysis i've seen on the movie.
    Most videos are shockingly off base, well done.

  • @bb1111116
    @bb1111116 Před 6 lety +19

    Well stated video essay. Imo the issue of master or leader vs slave or commoner morality is better explained by Machiavelli. The Prince (a label for those in power) can bend morality to serve his/her purpose. The commoner follows the directives of those in power. This dichotomy certainly was in fascism. Only the fascist leader could flaunt rules while the common soldier was a pawn obeying leaders. In modern society religion can be replaced by nationalism, corporatism & so on. A modern society has rules / laws. Who are the modern leaders / Princes? Imo this leads to the iron law of oligarchy (by Robert Michels). Leaders naturally rise in any system. Politicians, CEOs, union/military/police/bureaucratic leaders, crime bosses all rule over their domains. The commoner can only hope to eek out some freedom while mostly going along with leadership demands.
    PS. The Departed is a terrific film as it deals with these questions of leaders & pawns asking; ‘who really has power in this situation? What are the rules?’.

  • @picaweltschmerz6357
    @picaweltschmerz6357 Před 6 lety +6

    When the video shows the four boxes with German philosophers around 4:35, who's the bottom right guy? I know the others by their face (Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and Heidegger), but I can't place that fella. Anybody know?

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  Před 6 lety +8

      Gottlob Frebe. There is actually a link in the description about him.

  • @noahbladen2198
    @noahbladen2198 Před 6 lety +4

    Oh boy there’s a title to get lit for

  • @Dragonknight761
    @Dragonknight761 Před 6 lety +10

    So your major was on literature? Is there any site where you keep track of your readings, like goodreads? BTW, there is also a good documentary called Nietzsche And The Nazis if anyone is interested in the topic; there is also a corresponding book with the same title by Stephen Hicks.

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  Před 6 lety +12

      Yeah, I have a Goodreads account, but it is incomplete to say the least. I started it only last year, I think, and it only has a hundred of so books that I remember reading. I don't keep books. I borrow from libraries or use subscription services like Scribd. So, I can't recall all the books I've read over the years. I just remembered last night that I read The Canterbury Tales in college -- a million years ago -- and added it. www.goodreads.com/review/list/66877167

    • @Dragonknight761
      @Dragonknight761 Před 6 lety +4

      Renegade Cut I totally forgot that you are not rating anything you watch, and the same goes for reading, it seems. Sadly you didn't add a favorite section so I wouldn't know what you would recommend personally. Still, thanks for the reply.

  • @Ymate211hunY
    @Ymate211hunY Před 6 lety +6

    Somehow the whole slave-master morality reminded me of a foreign gem, the hungarian movie The fifth seal, you should definatelly check it out, very tought provoking movie.

  • @danzilla3
    @danzilla3 Před 6 lety

    Can't help but groove to the new theme music.

  • @goonsmith2444
    @goonsmith2444 Před 6 lety +9

    Dear Mr. Cut, Your work is fantastic and your channel is absolutely underrated. Hope the subscriber count will explode soon! You deserve it.

  • @ShirDeutch
    @ShirDeutch Před 6 lety +10

    I know this wasn't the focus of your video, but do you think Scorsese actually had Nietzsche in mind when he made this movie?

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  Před 6 lety +9

      No, probably not. That's just not what my show is about.

    • @trekjudas
      @trekjudas Před 6 lety +2

      Yes! Scorsese is a genius!

    • @errwhattheflip
      @errwhattheflip Před rokem +2

      I don't think that's really that important. Really, what is important is what we can gather from the story. Tho, considering Scorsese's repeated implemented use of religion in his movies including this one, I wouldn't be surprised if he did have this in mind while making the movie

  • @curiousworld7912
    @curiousworld7912 Před 6 lety +10

    Richard Wagner (no saint, himself) had some interesting things to say about Nietzsche.

    • @haakenbailey7381
      @haakenbailey7381 Před 6 lety +11

      "Richard Wagner (no saint, himself)"
      Understatement of the century.

  • @candidkafka6537
    @candidkafka6537 Před 4 lety +4

    Oh God ! Nietzsche is my all time favorite !

  • @vicenteortegarubilar9418
    @vicenteortegarubilar9418 Před 6 lety +13

    I just read the tittle and I got excited.

  • @brunodaniel7456
    @brunodaniel7456 Před 3 měsíci +1

    13:36 Yet not everything is beneficial.

  • @haroldthaf
    @haroldthaf Před 4 lety

    _Belief,_ just one word to counter perceived greatness... for the most part we don't know, we believe.

  • @wariowuzo9433
    @wariowuzo9433 Před 4 lety +1

    The background music sounds like Khalid’s song Paradise. Also, the quote “Nothing is true, everything is permitted” that’s used in Assassins Creed is a Nietzsche quote? Didn’t know that.

    • @kearingoodwin4856
      @kearingoodwin4856 Před 4 lety +1

      Wario Wuzo Actually this originates from the character Ivan Karamazov from the Dostoevsky novel The Brothers Karamazov although Nietzsche was a big fan of Dostoevsky’s work, although I think it originated from a medieval middle eastern philosopher, although I can’t be sure.

  • @connorbrown2194
    @connorbrown2194 Před 3 lety +1

    Philosophy aside, this is one of my favorite movies

  • @mattkillam2033
    @mattkillam2033 Před 5 lety

    I love this movie

  • @Northychen
    @Northychen Před 6 lety +6

    I always saw religion and religious freedom as a part of western civilisation and not it's destroyer but Nietzsche always was rather melodramatic pessimistic in those things. Great video btw. Glad you covered another of my favourite films.:)

  • @allthingsfascinating
    @allthingsfascinating Před 6 lety +13

    Curious about what Scorsese has to say on this.

    • @dreamlandnightmare
      @dreamlandnightmare Před 5 lety

      So am I.

    • @marcinjaskolski2824
      @marcinjaskolski2824 Před 4 lety +10

      He would probably subscribe more to the idea of karmic justice brought about by the deception and sinfulness of the protagonists. He's very heavily influenced by the concept of Catholic guilt.

  • @Jackal_El_Lobo34
    @Jackal_El_Lobo34 Před 8 měsíci

    8:40 It’s interesting that Nietzsche considered himself a “free spirit” but if one examines his history, he clearly wasn’t nor swallowed his own teachings.
    He self deprecated a lot in part due to mental illness but also because of personal problems that he never reconciled.
    He’s has my sympathies but when I take that aspect into account, I can’t help but ask of what right he had to criticize other philosophers including his former idol Schopenhuaer on failing to embrace life’s hardships without restriction?

  • @robyeone7976
    @robyeone7976 Před 4 lety

    Costello valued Power, and did what he felt necessary to maintain his power...

  • @silenthero101
    @silenthero101 Před 4 lety +1

    Nihilism wasnt the sickness of culture due to slave morality, rather it was the sickness that came about from a loss of that morality through the death of god.
    I do agree with a lot of what you say here though, great stuff!

  • @TonyPitura
    @TonyPitura Před 6 lety +3

    I used to think I was diametrically opposed to Nietzsche philosophically. And while I do find that I disagree with most of his beliefs (I identify more with Kant's teachings) thanks to this video I found some I do agree with. Thanks Leon. Great job as usual.

  • @leonardopatrizio
    @leonardopatrizio Před rokem +1

    No wonder Jordan Peterson loves this philosopher so much.

  • @mangoFace1987
    @mangoFace1987 Před 6 lety +7

    Neitche would’ve liked hinduism

    • @BlueDusk95
      @BlueDusk95 Před 6 lety +10

      He did, especially the Code of Manu.

    • @Mohit-ct2xj
      @Mohit-ct2xj Před 2 lety

      He advised to read Manusmriti instead of Bible.

  • @raywears9976
    @raywears9976 Před 3 lety +2

    nietzsche sounds like modern altright in some regards. Npc talk ect.

  • @thancrus
    @thancrus Před 4 lety +1

    im my experience Nietzche fans are college age and massive hipsters.... now this is just me personally and i know doesnt pertain to everything or everyone that is a fan... but man its what i see

  • @celinak5062
    @celinak5062 Před 5 lety +1

    11:55 that reminds me oddly of My Hero Aca

  • @2120musiclover
    @2120musiclover Před 4 lety +2

    All I remember is how bad the accents were , save for marky mark lol

  • @Fearofthemonster
    @Fearofthemonster Před 5 lety +5

    to be fair, it makes lots of sense for the "blessed are the meek" to be created by the jews. They were always the meek in history., way more than christians.

  • @ononono7016
    @ononono7016 Před 5 lety +9

    You must have way more interesting thoughts than I while watching a movie. I guess it's experience, knowledge, and and a more active mind to make conections easily.

  • @BasicSpace42
    @BasicSpace42 Před 3 lety

    I always wondered where these so called "Nietzsche disciples" are. I have never met one, not even on the internet. But I have heard many people complain about them. I have met obnoxious atheists, theists, marxists, conservatives, racists, "rationalists" etc. So can anyone show me an example of these people?

    • @fernandomaron87
      @fernandomaron87 Před rokem

      Philosophy collegies, my brother studied him and had many Nietzschean friends.

    • @Jackal_El_Lobo34
      @Jackal_El_Lobo34 Před 2 měsíci

      I’ve seen them congregate a lot on websites like Quora and Reddit. Their response is always the same whenever someone asks or questions the logic and morality of the German philosopher.
      “If you think X, Y and Z, then you don’t understand Nietzsche and never will”, “Nietzsche would’ve laughed at the question” or “Once again. Your not supposed to follow Nietzsche”
      Lol its pretty much just that. I’m not an expert on Nietzsche but based on the little that I’ve seen from Neitzchean disciples and depending on who’s answering, they either have the tendency to be condescending or ignore legitimate criticism towards his logic before acting as if the reader doesn’t get it.

  • @loreen1340
    @loreen1340 Před 3 lety

    Now I can stop scratching my head like "yeah, buuut" when I hear Jordan Peterson talking 30% less often 🤷‍♀️ 👍

  • @beaugeste2899
    @beaugeste2899 Před 5 lety +5

    Thanks so much. I tried reading him but he was too torturous. You saved me some headaches. He wanted everyone to be as miserable as he was.

    • @Jackal_El_Lobo34
      @Jackal_El_Lobo34 Před 2 měsíci

      I agree. When I get past Nietzsche’s edgy bravado, I just start to see problems with his logic. His whole “Ubermensche” concept is fictional which even he admitted yet wanted everyone to flock to it.
      Regardless of what your views are on religion, by Neitzsche logic, he supposedly wants me to sacrifice one fictional system (one that at least provides unity or cause) in favor of another fictional idea that has no system in place or evidence of actually working.
      While religion has its problems which he highlighted in his work, he’s not really getting to the root of the problem nor providing an adequate solution. Given how open ended he leaves his ubermensche idea, why should I listen to him especially when is argument for it is essentially “figure it out yourself. I’m not gonna hold your hand”?

  • @2.7petabytes
    @2.7petabytes Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks for the analysis. What a wretched movie though, in my opinion...

  • @xavierzabie8184
    @xavierzabie8184 Před 4 lety +1

    Holy hidden blades Batman! The Assassins in Assassin's Creed are Nietzschian?!

    • @wariowuzo9433
      @wariowuzo9433 Před 4 lety

      Xavier Zabie not really cuz in one of the games the tenet is deconstructed and explained by one of the characters and the interpretation that’s given of the quote isn’t exactly like what Nietzsche would’ve meant it to mean.

  • @jasonelek9202
    @jasonelek9202 Před 3 lety

    Weird that a lot of the people who think this way these days tend to be conservative Christians for some fucking reason

  • @gee_emm
    @gee_emm Před 4 lety +2

    6:46 'He knows that he doesn't actually need sex at his age'??? At what age does one NEED sex? #BitOfCasualAgeismThere

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  Před 4 lety +4

      That's what the character says about himself in the movie. I'm quoting the character. It's not ageism, at least not on my part. Maybe the writer of the film, but even then, I won't venture a guess. I'm talking about what a character says in the movie.

    • @gee_emm
      @gee_emm Před 4 lety +1

      Renegade Cut Aaah... well then! We’ll blame the writer instead! 😜👊🏿

    • @gee_emm
      @gee_emm Před 4 lety +2

      Renegade Cut i hope that didn't come over too harshly. i binge watch this channel all the time! 🙌🏾

  • @tetravenixyetiblazer4005
    @tetravenixyetiblazer4005 Před 6 lety +5

    Yes. "God is dead" . So, we must take his place.

  • @taihalpern7342
    @taihalpern7342 Před 4 lety

    You pronounce Nietzsche wrong

  • @sena167
    @sena167 Před 6 lety +2

    I know nothing of philosophy so i love videos like this. So when this Nietzsche guy is brought up is it reasonable to believe that the person who did it is a douchebag? or is more complex than that?

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  Před 6 lety +24

      It's more complex than that, but it tends to be a red flag when someone says they base their worldview and actions around Nietzsche because he tends to be the favorite philosopher of some unpleasant people. Historical examples aside, modern examples include Richard Spencer. He famously claimed that he formed the basis for who he is via Nietzsche. "You could say I was red-pilled by Nietzsche," he said. The alt-right loves Nietzsche, and that might give you some idea of who is adopting his philosophy into their day-to-day lives.
      There is absolutely some genuine value to Nietzsche's work. I don't disagree with all of it, but in the 21st century, Nietzsche tends to be the college freshman bro's favorite philosopher and the model for the alt-right and similar groups.
      www.philosophytalk.org/blog/nietzsche-schmitt-and-alt-right
      www.vox.com/2017/8/17/16140846/alt-right-nietzsche-richard-spencer-nazism

  • @notapplicable4734
    @notapplicable4734 Před 4 lety +15

    Shit I didn’t realize how awful nietzche’s beliefs were lol

  • @brunodaniel7456
    @brunodaniel7456 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Replace God values with new ones. Ever heard of Human Rights?

    • @Jackal_El_Lobo34
      @Jackal_El_Lobo34 Před 2 měsíci

      Apparently not. By Nietzsche’s logic, the strong are people who are willing to sacrifice the weakness of one fictional yet functional system that promotes unity in favor of another fictional idea that has no system in place nor evidence of working. Thats the power of his new values.
      Lol I know that’s a harsh generalization but I feel that’s what his ideas amount to.

  • @JJbullfrog1978
    @JJbullfrog1978 Před 3 lety +1

    I find that some philosophy just shows how evil people can be, writing works upon works to justify their own terrible thoughts and deeds.

  • @jyothsna231
    @jyothsna231 Před 5 lety +5

    Nietzsche was a passive Nihilsit

  • @dieterh3846
    @dieterh3846 Před 6 lety +2

    Nietzsche would have been very happy with modern times.

  • @RickSanchez-ex7ym
    @RickSanchez-ex7ym Před 5 lety +5

    I used to love Renegade Cut because I love any analysis of a film. But I'm really tired of every review on here having a strong lean to the left and liberalism. Leave politics at the door and go back to how cool and unbiased you used to be.

    • @renegadecut9875
      @renegadecut9875  Před 5 lety +25

      This has never been a review channel and has always been about politics/philosophy in movies. Where do you think you are right now? Do you need to lie down? How anyone can watch my videos and think "These are REVIEWS" is baffling.
      This has always been the premise of the show. What you're complaining about is the PREMISE of the show. There's the door. You can go any time. I'm not going to change the premise of the entire show for your after over 300 episodes. Jesus.
      P.S. - I'm not a liberal.

    • @kingboobs20
      @kingboobs20 Před 4 lety +3

      "This channel that has always been political has gotten too political and it only bugs me because I don't agree with the politics but I lake the integrity to admit it."
      -You