Religion Revived : The Second Great Awakening | US history lecture

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  • This is the first lecture of week-11 for my US History (beginning-1877) course. It covers the 2nd Great Awakening which happened between the 1790s and 1840s.
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    Assigned primary-source readings:
    Charles Grandison Finney, Sermons on Various Subjects (New York: 1834), 8-28: bit.ly/3g1tJFd
    William Lloyd Garrison introduces The Liberator, 1831: bit.ly/2WWPlK0
    Henry David Thoreau, Walden (1854), 117-121: bit.ly/3cFxRbD
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    Wiki: The Second Great Awakening was a Protestant religious revival during the early 19th century in the United States. The Second Great Awakening, which spread religion through revivals and emotional preaching, sparked a number of reform movements. Revivals were a key part of the movement and attracted hundreds of converts to new Protestant denominations. The Methodist Church used circuit riders to reach people in frontier locations. The Second Great Awakening led to a period of antebellum social reform and an emphasis on salvation by institutions. The outpouring of religious fervor and revival began in Kentucky and Tennessee in the 1790s and early 1800s among the Presbyterians, Methodists and Baptists. The awakening brought comfort in the face of uncertainty as a result of the socio-political changes in America.
    It led to the founding of several well known colleges, seminaries and mission societies. The Great Awakening notably altered the religious climate in the American colonies. Ordinary people were encouraged to make a personal connection with God, instead of relying on a minister. Newer denominations, such as Methodists and Baptists, grew quickly. While the movement unified the colonies and boosted church growth, experts say it also caused division among those who supported it and those who rejected it.
    Historians named the Second Great Awakening in the context of the First Great Awakening of the 1730s and 1750s and of the Third Great Awakening of the late 1850s to early 1900s. The Second and Third Awakenings were part of a much larger Romantic religious movement that was sweeping across England, Scotland, and Germany.[1]
    New religious movements emerged during the Second Great Awakening, such as Adventism, Dispensationalism, and the Latter Day Saint movement.

Komentáře • 247

  • @iammrbeat
    @iammrbeat Před 3 lety +389

    You should release these lectures as podcasts.

    • @coldee785
      @coldee785 Před 3 lety +10

      Yes please. Give this man the 2020 best idea prize

    • @allgodsnomasters2822
      @allgodsnomasters2822 Před 3 lety +3

      u can download them as mp3 lol

    • @FreshDnbz
      @FreshDnbz Před 3 lety +1

      2021 already starting off with a good idea lmao

    • @-haclong2366
      @-haclong2366 Před 3 lety +2

      As long as he also keeps publishing them on CZcams.

    • @coldee785
      @coldee785 Před 3 lety

      @@allgodsnomasters2822 sure, but if he released a podcast. It would be far more convenient

  • @asgrahim9164
    @asgrahim9164 Před 3 lety +337

    The whole "Reject modernity, embrace tradition" meme is, of course, older than people think.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 Před 3 lety +12

      We once opened a classroom discussion with Plato quotes to that subject

    • @-haclong2366
      @-haclong2366 Před 3 lety +36

      The first writing in ancient Egypt was heavily criticised by people that wished to preserve storytelling and oral knowledge as they saw readers as "lazy" and "forgetful" (as they would become "dependent" on the written word).

    • @andersonandrighi4539
      @andersonandrighi4539 Před 3 lety +12

      I'm going even further: reject humanity, return to monke!

    • @mr.dalerobinson
      @mr.dalerobinson Před 3 lety +10

      It is the basis for ‘conservatism’

    • @matijaderetic3565
      @matijaderetic3565 Před 3 lety +5

      @@zainmudassir2964 If you would like to reexamine your opinion on evolution, I highly recommend you to watch aron ra's series on evolution where he goes from inorganic matter to humans.

  • @visayanmissnanny2.076
    @visayanmissnanny2.076 Před 3 lety +115

    Gov. of Missouri: Execute Order 44
    Missourian Militia: As you wish, Mr. Governor

  • @tatechristensen2182
    @tatechristensen2182 Před 3 lety +64

    As an exmormon who was raised in the church in Utah, I find it really strange that I wouldn't exisit if my ancestors hadn't followed a 'prophet' into the desert. In my opinion, Utah has the strangest history of any US state (which other state can say it was founded as a theocracy in the old west?)

    • @tatechristensen2182
      @tatechristensen2182 Před 3 lety +3

      @Sebastian Guevara I also think Utah is beautiful state, California too. I am proud to an extent to be from Utah. I have a lot of mixed feelings about the church, but, ignoring that can of worms, there is certainly plenty of good to be said about Utahns. I stand by Utah having a very strange history, though strange is not necessarily bad

    • @questworldmatrix
      @questworldmatrix Před 3 lety +2

      I'm sure there's a version of probabilities where someone could have existed if not for people following this prophet into the desert.

    • @josephcox6632
      @josephcox6632 Před rokem

      Pennsylvania is strange, but perhaps not as strange as Utah.

  • @inferno0020
    @inferno0020 Před 2 lety +12

    For some weird reasons, the Second Great Awakening, like the Reconstruction era, is largely overlooked in US history, when they both have a much deeper historical influence on our Culture War today.

  • @gerryphilly53
    @gerryphilly53 Před 3 lety +56

    A really great explanation.. One minor point - Beethoven, although he is primarily associated with Vienna and the Austrian Empire, was actually born in Bonn (which at the time of his birth was the capital of the Electorate of Cologne of the Holy Roman Empire, which itself encompassed both present day Germany and Austria until its dissolution during the Napoleonic Wars).

    • @nicmagtaan1132
      @nicmagtaan1132 Před 3 lety

      like mozart?

    • @Ugly_German_Truths
      @Ugly_German_Truths Před rokem +2

      @@nicmagtaan1132 Mozart was born in the (Arch)Bishopric of Salzburg, which did not belong to Habsburg's Austria at that time.

  • @rachel_sj
    @rachel_sj Před 3 lety +75

    Who else today is watching this along with Knowing Better’s new Mormon episode?

    • @KaisaKylakoski
      @KaisaKylakoski Před 3 lety +10

      Thought it was a collaboration as the videos were right next to each other in my subscription feed.

    • @thomasjenkins5727
      @thomasjenkins5727 Před 3 lety

      Knowing better is far more cynical than the cynical historian.

  • @lukesmith1818
    @lukesmith1818 Před 3 lety +6

    I read a biography of Bismark that said a wave of revivalism was hitting europe in the mid 1800s with a huge impact in Germany. Bismark went from being a wild young man to someone who reconnected with Christianity. England went through a similar thing. Great work on a fascinating topic.

  • @Pyrotic_Napalm
    @Pyrotic_Napalm Před 3 lety +19

    Honestly the focus on the many religious sects, religion motivated political movements and religion's major role during the 2nd great awakening and afterwords is something not covered in schools very often even if they had major ramifications on the events. This video helps give more background to the mindset of 19 century Americans and the influences of the relgious movements in that time frame that have effected even current events in this day and age. I can only really thank you for such an interesting historically relevant topic.

  • @warlordofbritannia
    @warlordofbritannia Před 3 lety +62

    The Second Great Awakening in a nutshell:
    Thou [Modernity] art a most wretched sinner, utterly unworthy of God’s love. A fountain of pollution is deep within thy nature; thou livest as a winter tree, unprofitable, fit only to be hewed down and burned.
    Stave thy life in prayer and hope that God may see fit to show mercy upon thy corrupted soul...

    • @BiggestCorvid
      @BiggestCorvid Před 3 lety +3

      What a Great Disappointment.

    • @wizardmongol4868
      @wizardmongol4868 Před 3 lety

      @@BiggestCorvid why?

    • @BiggestCorvid
      @BiggestCorvid Před 3 lety +1

      @@wizardmongol4868 I was referencing that time the Adventists sat naked on a hill and the sun rose the next day.

    • @wizardmongol4868
      @wizardmongol4868 Před 3 lety

      @@BiggestCorvid why??? was it a weird sex thing

    • @darrelvela7105
      @darrelvela7105 Před 3 lety +1

      This perfectly describes us as a nation which never had a "Great" Awakening to our moral trespasses except we tell others rather than ourselves what's "best" when we're disobedient.

  • @shawnkubiak9125
    @shawnkubiak9125 Před 3 lety +9

    This is the first lecture I’ve heard that effectively demonstrated the effect The Awakenings had on the US. Well done

  • @pennyforyourthots
    @pennyforyourthots Před 3 lety +23

    I actually didn't know about the deism thing in regards to the founding fathers, which I find incredibly interesting since a lot of modern politics paints the founding fathers as these devout hyper evangelists or being borderline atheists, when the truth is seemingly somewhere in the middle.
    With that in mind, it explains a lot of the founders views on things like freedom of religion and how they intended that to be done in practice.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 Před 3 lety

      Haven't there been dozens of people involved including such leaving desist sources.

    • @ASymbolicSymbol
      @ASymbolicSymbol Před 3 lety +13

      Also, keep in mind it's not that some of the founding fathers didn't consider themself Christian, HOWEVER, even many of the ones that did indeed held unorthodox beliefs that many Christian would shrink heresy at if not for the fact they like to conveniently ignore it. People who like Jesus but denied he was God, or the trinity or just flat out editing their own bibles (Thomas Jefferson anyone?)
      So any time a person tries to make the claim that the founding fathers were Christian or the country was meant to be a Christian nation that even if true on their own terms it be a Christianity that I bet they very much reject being imposed on them. Hence proving the true point of the founding fathers to keep such matters out of the affairs of politics.

  • @StephensCrazyHour
    @StephensCrazyHour Před 3 lety +4

    It's very easy to forget just how deeply entrenched religion was in the daily lives of people from the past. In our almost post- religious society it's a blind spot in the analysis of motivations and culture of the past that I see in many amateur analyses of the past. It's great to see a video like this highlighting the impact of religion in history, one that has largely been replaced in the West by political affiliation and nationalism.
    Many may laugh at the numerous excommunications that they hear about in history, but for those who got those excommunications it was often devastating. Being excommunicated was being told that you had no tribe, you were going to hell and the crimes you have committed would sentence you to an eternity of suffering and separation.
    American religious history is a really interesting topic. We basically get to look at the splintering of religion at the same level as early Christianity except in a relatively modern context.
    Many of the great works of American literature from the 19th century were steeped in religious symbolism. Moby Dick is a personal favourite and it alludes to the bible in many of its metaphors.

  • @catriona_drummond
    @catriona_drummond Před 3 lety +6

    I recently read "Fantasyland" by Kurt Andersen and polemic as it may be the historical part of it and things like your lecture have actually opened my eyes to a whole new dimension of just how different Americans are from Europeans. We have massively different concepts of Religion and how to practise it or of spirituality, despite it having the same christianity-label. It's truly shocking!

  • @lukedanuser
    @lukedanuser Před 3 lety +16

    I’m a Methodist and it’s cool to hear the history.

    • @yrobtsvt
      @yrobtsvt Před 3 lety +1

      Agreed, I'm glad Cypher gets into the details of church history!

    • @BradyPostma
      @BradyPostma Před 3 lety

      I'm not a Methodist, but I'd love to read about their history in more depth.

  • @peterevans884
    @peterevans884 Před 3 lety +17

    Teetotalism was supposed to come from one of the leading lights in England, who suffered from a stutter. He gave a public lecture and and said "What we require is t t t total absination" It was used against him as a joke but the movement took it and used it as a badge of honour

  • @just_a_turtle_chad
    @just_a_turtle_chad Před 3 lety +44

    A Turtle approved this video

    • @ultimategamer876
      @ultimategamer876 Před 3 lety +8

      Mitch McConnell is that you?

    • @GargamelGold
      @GargamelGold Před 3 lety

      @@ultimategamer876
      LOL!

    • @who-ny5oe
      @who-ny5oe Před 3 lety

      All hail turtle.

    • @oryx_85
      @oryx_85 Před 3 lety

      @@ultimategamer876 nah this turtle is based.

    • @Albukhshi
      @Albukhshi Před 3 lety

      @@ultimategamer876
      Be just: you demean the turtle with that question.

  • @PhilipDeLong
    @PhilipDeLong Před 3 lety +8

    I'm interested in this topic because my great-great grandfather, Joseph Tracy, wrote "The Great Awakening" in 1840 about the First Great Awakening. He was a Congregational minister, editor, and writer of conventional Trinitarian beliefs, but also was an intelligent and even-handed interpreter of the movement. I sense that the purpose of the book was to partly explain the phenomena of his current times, so a look at this resource might be of use-- it is easily available in modern editions and Kindle. The Second Great Awakening can be seen as a continuation of the First in some important ways.
    Just as the First Awakening brought an awareness of personal agency over the state of one's soul and loosened the bindings of the established churches (and other governing bodies-- Tracy suggests it might have contributed to the American Revolution), the Second did as well with some added innovations, namely the rise of novel religious movements and the prominence of women and black leaders.

  • @-haclong2366
    @-haclong2366 Před 3 lety +35

    17:00 Jehova's Witnesses (J.W.'s) are also an offshoot of Miller's followers.

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  Před 3 lety +17

      indeed, though way later. Even the Branch Dividians are an offshoot. Lots of that kind of thing from adventism

    • @kyonthirtytwo2456
      @kyonthirtytwo2456 Před 3 lety

      True, via the early adventists and George Storrs, who inspired the original watchtower author. So theres a sort of linage of decent, they all had in common that they liked to study the bible in depth

  • @tenholindberg9862
    @tenholindberg9862 Před 3 lety +2

    Finally ,historical channel, wich educates about åolotical history of US, and most importantly, puts a great, emphazis, to nuance of the issues. Simply superb content. Keep up,bringing new content

  • @miloslav.vorlicek
    @miloslav.vorlicek Před 3 lety +9

    Thanks for all the work you do and happy new year from 🇨🇿.

  • @weldin
    @weldin Před 3 lety +56

    Why get The Great Courses Plus when there’s the cynical historian?

    • @eazy8579
      @eazy8579 Před 3 lety +3

      He has a pretty lax upload schedule

    • @GargamelGold
      @GargamelGold Před 3 lety +4

      Cinestar Productions,
      Because they can cover far more than he can all by himself. Besides, its always a good idea to have more than one source for your information.

    • @zoobdo
      @zoobdo Před 3 lety

      Jusrt subscribe for a month/free trial and rip all the videos to your hard drive. :)

  • @CivilWarWeekByWeek
    @CivilWarWeekByWeek Před 3 lety +12

    So glad you’re covering this

  • @Shak611
    @Shak611 Před 3 lety

    Love your channel! Thanks you! Happy new year 😊

  • @SirScheisalot
    @SirScheisalot Před 3 lety +13

    A note to your Goethe and Beethoven point:
    Goethe wasn't part of the romaticism movement of early 19th century. Goethe's creative works can be divided into two cultural movements. The "Sturm und Drang" Period (according to wikipedia usually translated as storm and stress) and "Weimar Classic". Both cannot be counted as Romanticism. "Sturm und Drang" was a 18th century writing and musical art movement during the Age of Enlightenment. While some of the characteristic you described as akin to the Romanticism movement can be found in this culturual movement, i however lack the historical knowledge to confidently make a comparison to Romaticism or even declare it as a sort of progenitor movement.
    The Weimarer Classic existed as smth alongside the late Enlightenment and early Romanticism movement and could be seen as inhabiting traits of both periods.
    Beethoven was born in Bonn. While he lived most of his life in Vienna, Beethoven however grew up mostly in Germany, or rather the German State Bonn was part of in that time period. While we Austrians generally like to joke that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler was German, it would be rather true to say that Beehoven was a german migrant who moved to Vienna for work in his younger days.
    Beethoven being part of the romantic movement is also a judgement to be made with a grain of salt. He is generally considered part of the Trinity of Composers of the First Viennese School or Vienna Classic (Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven). However the difference between Haydn and Mozart is that he is generally seen as the transitorial composer between the 18th century classical period and the 19th century romantic period. So as with Goethe i'd say Beethoven can be neither truly be seen as part of the 18th Century cultural movements nor of the 19th Century but rather as leading figures who stand in both time periods.

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 Před 3 lety

      "Sturm und drang" is also a literary movement with significant romance currents even if it's a movement of the pendulum earlyer

    • @conorstapleton3183
      @conorstapleton3183 Před 3 lety

      Vielen Dank für die Klarstellung.
      Liebe Grüße aus Wien

    • @galek75
      @galek75 Před 3 lety

      Right. The genuine Romantics were folks like Schlegel, Tieck, Novalis, and others.

  • @asprinkleofginger1467
    @asprinkleofginger1467 Před 3 lety

    Loving the videos; been binging them the last few days.

  • @nawfsidereviews6029
    @nawfsidereviews6029 Před 3 lety +2

    Love your work, please continue to do what you do.

  • @robertmanning707
    @robertmanning707 Před 3 lety +11

    I'm curious why the emphasis on Romanticism. Roman Catholicism and Protestantism have always had restoration movements, such as Christian monasticism, Franciscans, Anti-baptist movements, Methodism, Moravian Church, Plymouth Brethren, and many others. Primitivism is in the blood of the Christianity. Obviously, cultural movements can influence and encourage it. It seems that it only takes a nudge and not a push for the church to have another movement to focus on its roots.

  • @frogasaur3848
    @frogasaur3848 Před 3 lety +2

    Wow! A video on youtube about religion and people aren't arguing in the comments. Truly a rare thing to see.

  • @jdblay66777
    @jdblay66777 Před 3 lety +1

    Love the channel great stuff you’ve got here

  • @tracker113
    @tracker113 Před 3 lety +4

    Happy new year Cypher

  • @undergroundpublishing
    @undergroundpublishing Před 9 měsíci +2

    I don't know what your source material is, but I just listened to Gordon-Conwell Seminary's version and yours is much more informed. Keep it up.

  • @samchapple6363
    @samchapple6363 Před 3 lety

    A breath of fresh air, good work

  • @proactiveomnipresentvessel6569

    Happy New Year Cypher🎉🎉

  • @arkiehillbilly
    @arkiehillbilly Před 3 lety +3

    Beethoven wasn’t from Austria, he was born and grew up in Bonn, then in the Electorate of Cologne. He later moved to Vienna in 1792 as a young adult because of the war in France, where he later stated. He also chose Vienna because it was one of the great centers of music in Europe, and especially in the German world.

  • @maresgoez
    @maresgoez Před 3 lety +1

    Great lecture. I really enjoyed it. I would love to see another one about the third awakening that pretty much helped determined tha religous landscape, not only in the USA but the rest of the americas.

  • @collinsagyeman6131
    @collinsagyeman6131 Před 3 lety +3

    This is amazing!!!! I am black and a Methodist!!!!

  • @genericyoutubeaccount579
    @genericyoutubeaccount579 Před 3 lety +6

    For Europeans interested in why American religion is so different from European religion take a look at the first 3 great awakenings. The deregulated religious landscape produced numerous eccentric religions that, although hyper radical, still supported the freedom of religion of others and that deregulated religious landscape that produced their fringe religion in the first place.
    The European hyper radical religious folk were too concerned with shutting down free speech with blasphemy laws and restricting the way people could practice religion.

  • @ehrldawg
    @ehrldawg Před 3 lety +1

    Im sharing this with my pastor and deacons.

  • @requiredparticular6831
    @requiredparticular6831 Před 3 lety +10

    Deism is actually a belief that a being created everything then walked away or at least didn’t interfere. Jefferson kinda did his own thing.

    • @Torlik11
      @Torlik11 Před 3 lety +2

      Deism always looked weird to me. When someone believe in miracle, at least I understand why they think God exist. These are their proof. But with deism? You go for a belief system that by definition is impossible to prove.

    • @requiredparticular6831
      @requiredparticular6831 Před 3 lety +4

      @@Torlik11 I think it’s a stepping stone. Not believing in any intervention but not ready to make the step in saying there may not be any god at all.

    • @goldenbrigain7031
      @goldenbrigain7031 Před 3 lety +1

      @@requiredparticular6831 Depends. Some people believe that choice is basically the holiest subject in all of creation, for without it, all you have are flesh puppet's set to robotic code or nothing at all, like basic matter. Taking this a step further it's somewhat taken that the interference of any force on the level of a God would be a complete sacrilege against choice, since you're being made to obey a certain way of being instead of embracing your own personal one. That comes from the concept that there is no one may of living applicable to all sentient life in reality, that benevolent to the majority or not, there exists no declaration of a proper way for all living things to experience life that doesn't ultimately end in sublimating all life and destroying individuality to make people subservient to one perspective on what's right or wrong. To the extreme of completely eliminating all meaning attainable via them no longer possessing the ability to determine what is right or wrong for themselves-called choice.
      Therefore, God doesn't interfere because there is nothing for him to interfere with. The only answer from the beginning was to allow reality to develop on it's own from the beginning, because anything else would've made it little more than a toy in his hands. Or less, depending on your point of view.

    • @martiddy
      @martiddy Před 3 lety +3

      @@Torlik11 I think the reason why is because they think that miracles contradicts science and Deism let's you to believe in both science and god with no contradictions.

    • @frenchcat2910
      @frenchcat2910 Před 2 lety

      I remember reading somewhere that they might have used deism to hide their atheism, idk if that's true. Also, Jefferson owned a Quran, so I wonder what his take was on other religions.

  • @peterwaddington7469
    @peterwaddington7469 Před 3 lety +4

    "Ignorance is pretty deeply rooted in American history" - change American to "Human", it affects us all!

  • @rafafr9
    @rafafr9 Před 3 lety +8

    "the enlightenment were destroying America" thats really funny. Its like saying that the enlightenment was destroying revolutionary france. Didn't it occur to them that America became America because of the enlightenment?

  • @warlordofbritannia
    @warlordofbritannia Před 3 lety +14

    The rise of Unitarianism reminds me of the age-old splits and conflicts in the early Church about the nature of God. Yknow, like Monophysitism and Miaphysitism and Arianism?
    Instead, Unitarianism takes a *utilitarian* view and just says God is God. Took roughly 1500 years but good job theologians, you finally found a middle ground!

  • @lexfacitregem
    @lexfacitregem Před 3 lety +12

    Did you and ‘Knowing Better’ corroborate or something? Literally just hopped off his channel where he was talking about the second great awakening and Mormonism. Or perhaps it’s the whole serendipitous ‘great minds think alike’ syndrome?

  • @philtrabaris7033
    @philtrabaris7033 Před 3 lety

    Excellent, thank you!

  • @AlwrichPierreLouis
    @AlwrichPierreLouis Před 8 měsíci

    you should release these lecture as podcasts.

  • @angrylinecook
    @angrylinecook Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent lecturer! Not to upset others, but I find it amusing how these groups say they want to get back to "primitive church" but they never consider the catholic, eastern, or desert fathers. "I have a revelation that is new!" That contradicts seeking the primitive or original teaching. At any rate, please continue with your wonderful videos!

  • @jscythe74
    @jscythe74 Před 3 lety +23

    A few notes on the Mormon history: The Mormons were not just persecuted because of their beliefs. They were very, very bad neighbours. At least one incident in Missouri was sparked when the Avenging Angels, out hunting an apostate, accidentally killed an eight year old boy in a barn fire. By the time they were driven out of Nauvoo, it had been church policy that stealing from "gentiles" was okay and many criminals in the area of Nauvoo were well aware that if they converted to Mormonism, the church would protect them from prosecution. During the Mormon's exodus, contemporary reports noted that you could find the Mormon train by following the corpses of cattle that they had stolen and butchered along the way. See also Nightfall at Nauvoo www.amazon.com/Nightfall-Nauvoo-Samuel-Woolley-Taylor/dp/B0006C5HDW for more context. The book is expensive because the church has gone out of it's way to acquire and destroy as many copies as possible.
    But to put it into even sharper perspective, Nauvoo was resettled by the Icarians, an group of atheist utopians. If Mormonism was heresy, atheism was blasphemy yet no one took any violent actions against the open atheists living in the next town over. The Icarians lived peacefully in Nauvoo from 1846 until 1857.

  • @devincanada9523
    @devincanada9523 Před 3 lety +2

    Im surprised you didn't Mention, William Wilberforce. His book Practical View of Christianity was a best seller in the US during the 2nd Great awakening and his views of course were a driving force for northern Christians not just unitarians.

  • @markwilliams2620
    @markwilliams2620 Před 3 lety +3

    So...The Great Awakening centered around the Erie Canal? Strange how almost all major religous centers also are on major trade routes. Guess that's where the people are. So if you have something to sell...

  • @catriona_drummond
    @catriona_drummond Před 3 lety +1

    Okay so there are a few hard facts that you got wrong there, regarding Germany:
    1. Beethoven was not an Austrian, he was German and just worked in Vienna, among other places.
    2. Goethe was not a Romanticist at all, he was THE peak of the German (Weimar) classicism. He was a pantheist, discussing with Kant, and devoted much of his life to the natural sciences in which he had some notable success. He was much closer the the founding fathers of the US, for sure.
    If you you for Romanticism, which was indeed s strong movement here, even though it did not topple the enlightenment, There are writers like Eichendorff or Novalis. Goethe wrote a few things that could be reagrded pre-romanticism in a way in his youth but it is usually put together with other writers from that phase, like Schiller, into a different category, called "Sturm und Drang", a very germany-specific thing to do with the politics.
    And the ones with the folk-tales were the Brothers Grimm, not Goethe. Please check your sources about Goethe, there must be a bad apple in them.

  • @gwnfan
    @gwnfan Před 3 lety +1

    John Fea mentioned to Phil Vischer and Skye Jethani on episode 438 of The Holy Post that understanding the 2nd Great Awakening is vital in understanding the current Evangelical movement.

  • @tedrex8959
    @tedrex8959 Před 3 lety +4

    Tee totalism may have nothing to do with the drink, it's said that in Preston in the county of Lancashire in England Richard Turner advocated the giving up of alcohol in the 1830's. Unfortunately he is supposed to have a stutter so "total abstinence" became "Tee total". It is even inscribed on his gravestone.

  • @Elsenoromniano
    @Elsenoromniano Před 3 lety +1

    Very good lecture.
    I have a minor point as a person who had to read a lot on German romanticism during his formative years. (4 year Bachelor on German philology)
    And that Romanticism was a little bit simplified as reject of modernity, which was not exactly not. In fact many romantics embraced modernity and popular revolutions to a wide extent.
    Boiling a very complex aspect down, German romanticism started first in the Jena circle around Jena university and in principle the philosophy was more university trying to access some universal truth by the mixing of different disciplines and ideas, from such different fields like dreams, mysticism, folk tales, philosophy and science and working a lot through fragmentary texts (which is kind of precursor to surrealism)
    Then that experimentar y romanticism gave away to more or less schools of thought in German romanticism, ones which were more revolutionary and universal, like Heinrich Heine or more nationalistic and reactionary like Cheautebriand or late Schlegel. Both had as the ideal the free individual, the importance of the subjective and reaction to the "propriety" of Illustration, but were very different from a political perspective. In fact in many ways Romanticism was a natural evolution of some Illustrated values like sentimentalism or personal freedom as a rejection of Illustration in general.

  • @GargamelGold
    @GargamelGold Před 3 lety +5

    Was it just me, or were any of you other guys reminded of "order 66" from the Star Wars prequal trilogy when you heard the words "order 44?"

  • @theshenpartei
    @theshenpartei Před 3 lety +1

    I agree with mr beat that you should do the lectures in a podcast format I would listen to it

  • @thisiscaseysaccount3242
    @thisiscaseysaccount3242 Před 3 lety +7

    Could you do a video on the French Revolution

  • @toddmaek5436
    @toddmaek5436 Před 3 lety +4

    Another important piece during this time is David Walker's appeal. You could literally do an entire episode on that alone. Most Americans have never heard of him or the appeal, (it's been purposely left out of American historical education)

  • @saidtoshimaru1832
    @saidtoshimaru1832 Před 3 lety +6

    Beethoven lived in Vienna, but was born in Bonn, in actual Germany.

  • @platosplatoon6873
    @platosplatoon6873 Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks man

  • @robertgale2779
    @robertgale2779 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you for the Mormon documentary in the middle, Ive always wanted to learn the history of by we were prosecuted in the mid to late 1800s but now I kinda get it. Not that it was cool but it isn't like the church teaches us that we just wanted to practice but people hated us, no we gave good reasons to be at least suspicious of us. Thank you again for teaching the true history of Mormonism in the United States cause its not know at all.

  • @lukeroberts8016
    @lukeroberts8016 Před 3 lety +4

    My own personal theory on why Congress stop giving Jefferson Bibles in the 50’s was probably because the reason we have In God we Trust on our money basically it’s was a giant SCREW YOU SOVIET UNION.

  • @christiancanty2036
    @christiancanty2036 Před 3 lety +7

    Was this in collab with Knowing Better?? If not that's uncanny timing 😂

  • @greatmystery11
    @greatmystery11 Před 3 lety +3

    For after all the great religions have been preached and expounded, or have been revealed by brilliant scholars, or have been written in fine books and embellished in fine language with finer covers, man, -all man- is still confronted by the Great Mystery.
    -Chief Luther Standing Bear, Lakota
    I'm cynical too...also in agreement with Standing Bear and the Lakotas.
    Regards from Kanata AKA-Canada (;

  • @WyomingTraveler
    @WyomingTraveler Před 3 lety

    one of your better programs, I think

  • @williamkarbala5718
    @williamkarbala5718 Před 3 lety +2

    You should do a video about non-western milineranism movements, especially the Christian taiping rebels in China.

  • @hybridroundhead4978
    @hybridroundhead4978 Před 3 lety

    Excellent

  • @damianm-nordhorn116
    @damianm-nordhorn116 Před 3 lety +2

    Kultur is pretty much pronounced like a combination of the words 'cool' and 'tour'.
    .. by the way, happy new year and good health to everybody!

  • @treetheoak8313
    @treetheoak8313 Před 3 lety +2

    You and knowing better do the same type of subject on the same day! What is this a crossover episode!?

  • @Bronxguyanese
    @Bronxguyanese Před 3 lety +1

    One thing I also noticed is that John brown the man responsible for the attack on harpers ferry in virginia was greatly influenced from the 2nd great awakening religious movement in America. 2nd great awakening help spark the American civil war.

  • @Gustavo_Perez_
    @Gustavo_Perez_ Před 3 lety

    Hello. Any good book about history you recommend? Want to get some when I go to a B&N or something.

  • @absinthefandubs9130
    @absinthefandubs9130 Před 3 lety +27

    "Kultur, which was their own conception of culture"
    I see you've dug yourself through some critical theory hehe

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  Před 3 lety +21

      Critical theory is a century later. This is simply etymology, or what people at the time would've called philology

    • @tedrex8959
      @tedrex8959 Před 3 lety +1

      @@CynicalHistorian Thank you for posting this it was very interesting, I hope you will do the same for more of your lectures. But, and I am very sorry to point this out, the Mormons fled to the "deseret" in your slide. I hope you don't mind me pointing it out. I know how easy it is to look at your work to get every fact correct and miss a spelling error. Please excuse me if you have already noticed this.

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  Před 3 lety +16

      @@tedrex8959 Deseret is the name they gave their state

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 Před 3 lety +1

      @@tedrex8959 yummy!

    • @BradyPostma
      @BradyPostma Před 3 lety +3

      @@tedrex8959 Mormon here. I can confirm that Mormons escaping to the west called the place they settled "Deseret" (pronounced DEZ-r-ET). It's a word from the Book of Mormon, meaning honeybee and symbolizing energetic participation in an enterprise greater than yourself.

  • @jonathanhatch9567
    @jonathanhatch9567 Před 3 lety +1

    6:26 Correction: Beethoven was born in Bonn, part of the Rhineland in West Germany. He was trained in Austria, but he was definitely born in what is today Germany

  • @Gettingback997
    @Gettingback997 Před 10 měsíci

    Thanks!

  • @AnneShirleyMarshall
    @AnneShirleyMarshall Před 3 lety

    Have you ever researched Westcott and Hort?

  • @dylansreviews8231
    @dylansreviews8231 Před 3 lety

    Can you do a video on united passions

  • @dennile_7355
    @dennile_7355 Před 3 lety +4

    Damn why didn’t you make this two years ago when I was taking APUSH lol

  • @patrickcosgrove886
    @patrickcosgrove886 Před 3 lety

    Just watched your video on Citizen Kane a few days ago. Regarding Rosebud writer director Joseph Mankiewicz said his brother Herman had a bicycle which had the name Rosebud on it. So I wonder who came up with the story about Marion Davies' anatomy which I doubt is true.

  • @elxamie83
    @elxamie83 Před 10 měsíci +1

    You better make this good.

  • @turbobus4983
    @turbobus4983 Před 3 lety +1

    Beethoven wasn't from Austria but from Bonn, he did live in Vienna for most of his life, though.

  • @apolloniapythia9141
    @apolloniapythia9141 Před 3 lety +1

    Beethoven was born in Germany but lived most of his live in Austria - both in modern understanding. We tried to exchange him with Hitler but historians are mercyless.

  • @thomasjenkins5727
    @thomasjenkins5727 Před 3 lety

    Fun fact, Miller was a Deist before he started analyzing the Bible. He found a pattern that matched with the shirt if clockwork analogy that deists were fond of, and issued a challenge to God; if His have him the opportunity soon, he would, after years of silence, share this pattern with others. As the story goes, the opportunity knocked on his door half an hour later.

  • @doctorpicardnononono7469

    so, about half a page?

  • @petervilla5221
    @petervilla5221 Před 3 lety

    28:06 you just couldn't help yourself could you. I hope your proud.

  • @ashrafmourad2901
    @ashrafmourad2901 Před 3 lety +2

    This may be a difficult question, because events are both current and still playing out, but do you think that America is experiencing something like a Great Awakening today? (Very interested in your thoughts.)

    • @pennyforyourthots
      @pennyforyourthots Před 3 lety +3

      I would argue that we went through something of a Great Awakening sometime in the 90s, when we had people like televangelists talking about the "degradation of culture", big out crys against the increasing acceptance of gay marriage, etc in response to the more relaxed morals of 90s youth. That also arguably went into the early 2000s with the massive conservative response to "SJWs" at the time, although I feel that these cultural reactions and counter reactions have become less religiously based over time, and focus increasingly more on "rational" thought where people try to position themselves as some sort of scientific or historical Authority regardless of how valid that actually is.

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  Před 3 lety +2

      The fourth great awakening is generally considered to be the 1930-60s maybe even into the 80s

    • @ashrafmourad2901
      @ashrafmourad2901 Před 3 lety +2

      Thank you. So it may be that what we are seeing today isn't be another awakening, but the aftermath to an earlier awakening in the 20th Century?

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 Před 3 lety +3

      @@ashrafmourad2901 that would explain the religious fanatics.

    • @damianm-nordhorn116
      @damianm-nordhorn116 Před 3 lety +2

      @@ashrafmourad2901
      Your second statement/question seems right, when combining it with Cypher's and Penny's statement.
      It's basically like a 'christian' (rather evangelical) storm that built up long ago in the ocean and the waves come in crashing since Reagan.

  • @jacobscheuerman1187
    @jacobscheuerman1187 Před 3 lety +1

    This was a great lecture, one minor criticism though. Since you have a lot to say on this topic, it might help for elaborations sake to break up some of the points on your slides to be their own slides. This would allow for your elaborations to be seen by those watching and not feel as if they have a ton of information thrown at them. Great lecture like I said, but the slides could have been broken up a bit more.

  • @CosmoShidan
    @CosmoShidan Před 3 lety

    Interestingly, Jefferson was a follower of Epicurus, who was deistic. So that might have had an influence on his theology.

  • @Abitourist03
    @Abitourist03 Před 3 lety

    I think you know why it is problematic to speak of Germany before 1870, but my main point is: 6:20 Beethoven was born in Bonn, stayed there until he was a young adult and migrated to Vienna (Austria) to start his musical career.
    As far as I know Mozart was much more of an Austrian than Beethoven.

    • @damianm-nordhorn116
      @damianm-nordhorn116 Před 3 lety

      Your right about Mozart and Beethoven, BUT
      it's not 'problematic' to talk about Germany before '70 at all.
      Different unions of German states existed all the way since the the creation of the 'Holy Roman Empire'.
      1871 meant only the creation of the new Kaiserreich.

  • @shanephillips3262
    @shanephillips3262 Před 3 lety

    what role did jehovah witnesses play in the second great awaking?

  • @tmr3513
    @tmr3513 Před 3 lety +4

    My ancestor was singularly responsible for getting the Mormons kicked out of Illinois. Damn heathens neither drink coffee or smoke tobacco !

    • @jesusisalive3227
      @jesusisalive3227 Před 3 lety

      That's not the strangest thing about them! Not even close!

  • @andersonandrighi4539
    @andersonandrighi4539 Před 3 lety

    Knowing Better collab?

  • @avelinealarcon4537
    @avelinealarcon4537 Před 3 lety

    where is the party slip video!

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  Před 3 lety +2

      Waiting on emperor tigerstar to finish his part

    • @avelinealarcon4537
      @avelinealarcon4537 Před 3 lety

      @@CynicalHistorian Yay!! I meant split and I just noticed my typo. Thank you for the response I am very excited :)

    • @avelinealarcon4537
      @avelinealarcon4537 Před 3 lety

      @@CynicalHistorian also will we ever see a Reagan video? interested in your take on this man

    • @CynicalHistorian
      @CynicalHistorian  Před 3 lety +2

      @@avelinealarcon4537 I don't do presidential history

  • @yrobtsvt
    @yrobtsvt Před 3 lety +1

    Some Americans may have reacted to the destructive power of industrial technology by returning to "old time religion", but in Upstate New York a group decided to harness it for themselves and create a machine that would give them fully automated luxury communism! They called it The New Motive Power.

  • @d.esanchez3351
    @d.esanchez3351 Před 3 lety +1

    Me, a Calvinist: Wowowow, were not complicated. You're simple!
    Okno. Just joking. Great lecture. I would love something like that but for mexican evangelism

  • @steveclapper5424
    @steveclapper5424 Před 3 lety

    Awakening?

  • @KPC-123
    @KPC-123 Před 3 lety +2

    I wonder if the enlightenment will ever return to America?

  • @torumakalig5692
    @torumakalig5692 Před 3 lety +3

    Both this and Knowing Better’s Mormon video on the same day? Wow the Mormons are getting a smack down lol

    • @theshenpartei
      @theshenpartei Před 3 lety

      It’s a early New Years gift I’m cool with it

  • @EuropeanQoheleth
    @EuropeanQoheleth Před rokem

    28:06 Oh you naughty man.

  • @BradyPostma
    @BradyPostma Před 3 lety +8

    33:00 - Is he going to cover the Great Awakening's effects on black churches? He's running out of time.
    34:00 - There it is.

  • @stanleyrogouski
    @stanleyrogouski Před 3 lety

    Would a better word for "Deist" be "Newtonian?" Newton mapped out the fundamental laws of physics. Adam Smith applied that to economics (it's better for the government not to interfere in natural law). Deists universalized the concept into a (sort of religion).

    • @fionafiona1146
      @fionafiona1146 Před 3 lety

      Not necessarily, being a "naturalist" or "philosopher" in their historic meanings hasn't kept people from religious leanings (even Kant was Lutheran (leaving university opening sermons before the preaching because "nothing diminishes faith like teaching it"... which is why you need to be "open for Devine aid" to actually do good while the "categorical imperative" keeps anyone (idiots) from doing bad)).