The deal about T1 energy converters vs. T2 is more a matter of footprint, same as wind generators vs. fusions. It may be more efficient to use winds, but the amount of space it takes to do that quickly becomes untenable. 10 T1 converters only cost a pittance more in energy than a single T2, BUT, they need a lot more of your precious space.
indeed, that is correct. Also its not just the converters that take up more space. but the mass wind or solar you need takes up huge space. Its ok to build a couple if you excess E from a geo or something. But they should not be relied on.
So what I'm reading here, is building 2 - 4 t1 converters(70 to 280 energy overflow could help with stabilizing a metal hungry build order/ energy overflow when playing solo but should not be the plan for metal long term. As it takes too much space and can't be built in a safe place.
@@midweekcentaur1050 That's pretty decent, yeah. You shouldn't need too many T1 converters. They're good for dealing with energy excess, certainly, but you do want _some_ energy surplus to push into units, use your Commander's D-Gun, and keep you afloat during supply shortfalls. Around 4 is a good metric.
Awesome video bro. You got a new sub. The only thing I would like to see in bar is the addition of another faction or 2 and some new units like the escalation mod did with total annihilation.. Other than that, oh and commander upgrades Shields mobile and static.. This is the best real time strategy game ever.
Hey Austin. Thanks for the sub. There is a 3rd faction being worked on called legion. You have to add it as an experimental option. There's also the unba com mode that has some com upgrades but it's not finished yet
@@Requiem_tv awesome thanks for the info I will check it out. I'm bummed they removed amphibious hover and naval transports. I'm sure there is no option to get those back?
Hey, Not that im aware of. You would have to ask in the BAR's Discord. there's so many Amphib options these days i don't know if they class it as a priority
Hi Chris. Yea I have realised later that I could have been in depth about alot of things in the video. To drag the slider just click and drag it on the resource bar
Great tutorial overall, but I do feel that it could go a bit more in depth on T1 metal makers. I find that just saying, it's a bad ratio doesn't necessarily mean a lot to people. Plus I think many might look at it as, it's "only" 10 more energy per metal produced over the T2 so it doesn't really seem that bad. I've yet to see anyone really go in depth on this subject and tend to give a quick, it's bad so don't build it without breaking it down much at all.
Hi B33b3, Im afraid that I had to cut down that part of the guide abit, as you can see its already quite a long video and so the more in depth was taken out in order to get as much basic info in as possible. Its quite a long topic to explain as-well. You need 1 adv solar to provide enough E to cover the need of 1 T1 metal maker that then gens 1 metal. That means that it takes 371 seconds to pay itself back (6 mins) after that it then starts to actually make more than it cost. Now if you did this with normal solars thats 4 solars. They cost 155 M each, Meaning a total of 620 M. Thus 620 seconds for payoff (10 mins) As opposed to t2 Advanced fusion makes 3k E and can support 5 t2 makes. that equals 50m/s 232 seconds to pay off (3.8 mins). I hope this helps explain it all, The time to pay off on t1 is so long that it basicly is a waste. Also think as you are investing all this M you are not using it for units or expanding to more of the map.
@@Requiem_tv As a newer player, I was looking at those T1 converters as a patch job to gain at least some value when I overbuild on energy and don't have enough metal production to consume it all (like starting next to a place where I can build a geothermal plant, which means I won't have to worry about energy production for a while in the game).
@@manumaster1990 this was one of my first few vids, at the time it was yea :D i didnt want to go out side of the scope of "basic" eco. im working on some more guides soon
@@Thalanox Dont get me wrong, they have there uses. What have mentioned is one of them, Just bare in mind that its always better to expand and build a mex instead if you can. The converters should really only be built once you cant expand any more
Hey, thanks :) Im glad that this will be useful for you :) If you think of anything else i can make that can help, let me know! and dolfy It was fun to play against you to other day! (kicking our ass :D)
@@Requiem_tv ya man i been watching ur videos for a while now just we never played or connected ingame. Now we have this creator team games.. we can be on the same team next time! should be fun its all about having fun and making good content for the viewers winning isn't the most important part :)
Hi there! Awesome tutorial. One question I have, when describing the part about wind energy and how much wind a map has, what is an ideal upper/lower to determine whether you should go wind over solar? Or do you always go 2 wind at the start?
6-7 wind is the min you should ever choose wind on, but the maps wind varies and as such you need to see how it behaves when playing to know what you need. IE, if the map has a 1-15 wind score, the avg will probably be around 9. Which is good, however if in the first few mins when building win is at 2 then you would build solars. then move to wind a little later after the factory for example
BAR is such a fantastic game, would you be willing to make a video on the server params and the units they add? e.g. Legion / Release Candidate Units / Lategame Rebalance etc? I understand some of those things are subject to change but it's hard to grasp it all, and would make some more hype for the game
Hey, Yea i understand. Yea it is difficult as it keeps changing. I do have this video which explains some of it for you czcams.com/video/QImpZPahE2A/video.html
:D im going to be making some more in depth guides to discuss bits and bobs about BAR so maybe that will help! I actually had to cut alot from this video to begin with as it was getting too long
5:08 My T2 constructors dont have Auto-Upgrade command. Where can I enable that UI option? I didnt find it anywhere in the menu and switching between Legacy and Grid does nothing.
I'm really struggling with one of the campaign missions, "Back from the Dead". I know that I need to keep expanding my economy, but the problem is I keep getting harassed so I don't know how much to devote to defensive towers and unit production, vs how much to devote to expanding my economy. It's a difficult balance.
The best thing i can suggest is to join BAR's discord and submit a replay to the replay channel and ask for help. That we people can see what your doing and give you some tips from there
Hey, I didn't want this to be a build order guide, more of a heres the information you need so you know what all the buildings are and basic strategies. glad you still found it somewhat useful though :)
I always struggle with metal man... always. everybody is on T2 and me not.. I never have metal even tho i am not building too much units. last game i barely make any units and defences and still no metal. i was reclaming everything i could, every stone etc but still struggle with that resource.. i am frustrated
Hey Requiem, thank you for the tutorial. I am new to the game and my first thought is that it reminds me very much of Zero-K. Did you, as an dev, take inspiration from that game?
Hey, Im Glad the video was useful for you. I am afraid that im not a Dev of BAR, just another player like you. In terms of its likeness to Zero K however. BAR didn't take inspiration from ZK but both ZK and BAR took inspiration from an old game called Total Annihilation. Which is where you see the similarities. BAR's ECO is harder to manage that ZK's however as there is no Mex Overdrive as in ZK
@@Requiem_tv Thank you for responding! I thought you were a dev, because that was the official help link in the game I clicked on and was send to your channel. I guess they haven't done any offical tutorials yet.
What all types of T2 builders can construct nano turrets? I just started playing yesterday, it's pretty confusing. I had no idea about T2 bots only being able to build T2 Bot factories, T2 Vehicles can only build T2 Vehicle etc.
Hi @Jacopo Only T1 engies of all types can build construction turrets. T2 and comms are not able to. T2 wise, yea T2 builders of a type can only build T2 of the same type of factory. Generally though you only want to build one type of unit, unless is for a specific purpose as factories cost quite a lot of resources. E.g Late game you have T2 bots. You may want to build a t1 air for scout planes. hope this helps, any more questions let me know, or if you think something would work better explained as a video
@@Requiem_tv Thanks dude. Been really enjoying BAR. I'm getting the hang of it, been watching a lot of your, Raghna and CronchyChomp videos. Learning a lot about what to and not to do. I think a guide on what you should be hitting metal and energy wise before going T2 would be helpful, and/or different strategies for it. IE Com sacrifice to get more metal, rushing for it etc.
Why wouldnt you build T1 converters? T1 you get 1 metal for 70 T2 you get 10 metal for 600, but this also costs 380 metal to build them. There are many maps with threes or other stuff that will give you energy that you can havest with a reclaimer or a nano turret. There are also situations where you just keep fighting and build wind and T1 converters in the background, because otherwise your T1 builder would be idle. I mean you can just build some more bots and try to break the enemy, but if you fail you leave behind the metal from your dead units that he will then use. Wind cost you 37 metal per and you need like 3 or 4 to get your T1 converter going. So you invest about 150 metal to build 4 wind and 1 converter and get your metal back after 2 minutes and from that moment on you snowball. I build 6 wind and 1 converter most of the time and see how it goes
Hey dream, I'm away from. Home at the moment but read my answer to b33r3 comment. There I explain more into the reasoning. Don't get me wrong there are times and places for it. But the time for return is too high for it to be viable for long term investment
I calculated the time for profit on each one aswell so you can see how long until you actually make the metal back that you invested into it in that comment
Hello, as this looks like an "official" guide, at least is linked in the game, I think it would be nice to add english subtitles, for most non english people is easier to read than to listen
Hey, If you want a more written style, there are some on the website, but you can also use CZcams Transcripts. Open the videos description and then at the bottom click view transcript. That will create a written version of what is said with or without timestamps! The video does also have auto gen'd Subtitles built into CZcams.
starting the game how do i make multiple structures at the start. need to go into greater detail on how you are doing things as in what keys are you using are you macroing and commands together etc..
Hi, Did you check the other guide about playing your first game, In that video i go into how to do certain things, this is more of a explanation as to what ECO is in BAR, and how to get yourself off the ground. To answer your question about queuing. BARs keyboard layouts for building is the same as many RTS. Hold Shift when clicking to build multiple buildings one after another. There are more advanced topics such as grid building and spacing that i plan to cover in a later video, As i wanted to keep this video as to the point as possible
If you have extra build power and wasting energy building tier 1 converter isint so bad deal. Its only 1 metal and wasted energy. If you are pro enough to not waste metal and not having extra build power before getting access to tier 2 converter then dont build it.
yep that's a good breakdown! As it was a basic breakdown, I didn't want to teach new players to invest to heavily in T1 convertors as you sometimes see new players do in PVP.
Hi, To get to tech 2 build a t2 factory with a t1 engi. Then build a t2 engi from that factory to build other t2 buildings. Just to be clear, a t1 engi can only build t2 of the same type. So air to air, bot to bot etc. I had to keep the video at a certain length, so things like this got cut I'm afraid as it wasn't strictly about the eco part and more just general gameplay.
meta, you are wasting power with builders that give energy on trees, that could be used elsewhere. helping to build or building resources. giving a like but not a sub. granted in pvp you might eat me but my kids would roflstomp early game wasting minutes is death
Hey, not sure i get what you mean in the last sentence. But yea wasting build power just reclaiming trees is not great if your just overflowing. In maps with trees a lot of players get one res bot out early just so they don't have to build power. Or it can supplement an earlier advanced solar. Dont forget to check out the radar video too! make sure your fully aware of how they work in BAR if your unsure about anything, just pop me a comment, i read them all and try and respond :)
I'm sorry to hear that bhansen. Can't really change my voice I'm afraid. Maybe join the bar discord and get help from someone in your neck of the woods
Lol, the intro is just goofy and so 90's - I love it, just my humor!!! 🥰
Also: nice guide! You got a nice way of explaining things.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The deal about T1 energy converters vs. T2 is more a matter of footprint, same as wind generators vs. fusions. It may be more efficient to use winds, but the amount of space it takes to do that quickly becomes untenable. 10 T1 converters only cost a pittance more in energy than a single T2, BUT, they need a lot more of your precious space.
indeed, that is correct. Also its not just the converters that take up more space. but the mass wind or solar you need takes up huge space.
Its ok to build a couple if you excess E from a geo or something. But they should not be relied on.
So what I'm reading here, is building 2 - 4 t1 converters(70 to 280 energy overflow could help with stabilizing a metal hungry build order/ energy overflow when playing solo but should not be the plan for metal long term. As it takes too much space and can't be built in a safe place.
@@midweekcentaur1050 That's pretty decent, yeah. You shouldn't need too many T1 converters. They're good for dealing with energy excess, certainly, but you do want _some_ energy surplus to push into units, use your Commander's D-Gun, and keep you afloat during supply shortfalls. Around 4 is a good metric.
Great video, you Alan Rickman lookalike BAR player. I'm in the middle of learning the game, it's awesome.
Awesome video bro. You got a new sub. The only thing I would like to see in bar is the addition of another faction or 2 and some new units like the escalation mod did with total annihilation.. Other than that, oh and commander upgrades Shields mobile and static.. This is the best real time strategy game ever.
Hey Austin.
Thanks for the sub. There is a 3rd faction being worked on called legion. You have to add it as an experimental option. There's also the unba com mode that has some com upgrades but it's not finished yet
@@Requiem_tv awesome thanks for the info I will check it out. I'm bummed they removed amphibious hover and naval transports. I'm sure there is no option to get those back?
Hey, Not that im aware of. You would have to ask in the BAR's Discord. there's so many Amphib options these days i don't know if they class it as a priority
Excellent Tutorial! You forgot to get specific about how to slide the energy bar when making a metal maker economy. I'll figure it out though. :)
Hi Chris.
Yea I have realised later that I could have been in depth about alot of things in the video.
To drag the slider just click and drag it on the resource bar
Great tutorial overall, but I do feel that it could go a bit more in depth on T1 metal makers. I find that just saying, it's a bad ratio doesn't necessarily mean a lot to people. Plus I think many might look at it as, it's "only" 10 more energy per metal produced over the T2 so it doesn't really seem that bad. I've yet to see anyone really go in depth on this subject and tend to give a quick, it's bad so don't build it without breaking it down much at all.
Hi B33b3,
Im afraid that I had to cut down that part of the guide abit, as you can see its already quite a long video and so the more in depth was taken out in order to get as much basic info in as possible.
Its quite a long topic to explain as-well.
You need 1 adv solar to provide enough E to cover the need of 1 T1 metal maker that then gens 1 metal.
That means that it takes 371 seconds to pay itself back (6 mins) after that it then starts to actually make more than it cost.
Now if you did this with normal solars thats 4 solars.
They cost 155 M each, Meaning a total of 620 M. Thus 620 seconds for payoff (10 mins)
As opposed to t2
Advanced fusion makes 3k E and can support 5 t2 makes. that equals 50m/s
232 seconds to pay off (3.8 mins).
I hope this helps explain it all,
The time to pay off on t1 is so long that it basicly is a waste. Also think as you are investing all this M you are not using it for units or expanding to more of the map.
@@Requiem_tv 11 minutes is considered "quite a long video"? bruh
@@Requiem_tv As a newer player, I was looking at those T1 converters as a patch job to gain at least some value when I overbuild on energy and don't have enough metal production to consume it all (like starting next to a place where I can build a geothermal plant, which means I won't have to worry about energy production for a while in the game).
@@manumaster1990 this was one of my first few vids, at the time it was yea :D i didnt want to go out side of the scope of "basic" eco. im working on some more guides soon
@@Thalanox Dont get me wrong, they have there uses. What have mentioned is one of them, Just bare in mind that its always better to expand and build a mex instead if you can. The converters should really only be built once you cant expand any more
I'm 14 seconds in and loving the green screening.
it's short but very helpful
i love this beginning lol so much
:D Thanks, it took quite a while to do, I need to buy myself a greenscreen :D
Good basic video! Gona show this to friends who wants to play.. To hard and lazy to teach the basic lol. Dolfys a super fan! Of your videos
Hey, thanks :) Im glad that this will be useful for you :)
If you think of anything else i can make that can help, let me know!
and dolfy It was fun to play against you to other day! (kicking our ass :D)
@@Requiem_tv ya man i been watching ur videos for a while now just we never played or connected ingame. Now we have this creator team games.. we can be on the same team next time! should be fun its all about having fun and making good content for the viewers winning isn't the most important part :)
Hi there! Awesome tutorial. One question I have, when describing the part about wind energy and how much wind a map has, what is an ideal upper/lower to determine whether you should go wind over solar? Or do you always go 2 wind at the start?
6-7 wind is the min you should ever choose wind on, but the maps wind varies and as such you need to see how it behaves when playing to know what you need.
IE, if the map has a 1-15 wind score, the avg will probably be around 9.
Which is good, however if in the first few mins when building win is at 2 then you would build solars. then move to wind a little later after the factory for example
@@Requiem_tv Ah got ya, thanks for clearing that up!
BAR is such a fantastic game, would you be willing to make a video on the server params and the units they add?
e.g. Legion / Release Candidate Units / Lategame Rebalance etc?
I understand some of those things are subject to change but it's hard to grasp it all, and would make some more hype for the game
Hey, Yea i understand. Yea it is difficult as it keeps changing.
I do have this video which explains some of it for you
czcams.com/video/QImpZPahE2A/video.html
Really nice job man :)
Thanks, i glad it could help :D
Very good tips, and good video. Thanks a lot =)
Glad it was helpful! 🙂
Can I have this video but split into 10 1 hour parts? XD This stuff is deep man...
:D im going to be making some more in depth guides to discuss bits and bobs about BAR so maybe that will help!
I actually had to cut alot from this video to begin with as it was getting too long
show us a gameplay in a 1v1 and explain the economic there. It would help me much more to understand how much to push to get max eco etc.
Hey. That's basically what my playing your first game video is. It should be in the guises playlist too. I suggest checking it out
@@Requiem_tv will do thanks!
Top content. Thanks
5:08 My T2 constructors dont have Auto-Upgrade command. Where can I enable that UI option? I didnt find it anywhere in the menu and switching between Legacy and Grid does nothing.
unfortunately this feature was removed from the game :(
I'm really struggling with one of the campaign missions, "Back from the Dead". I know that I need to keep expanding my economy, but the problem is I keep getting harassed so I don't know how much to devote to defensive towers and unit production, vs how much to devote to expanding my economy. It's a difficult balance.
The best thing i can suggest is to join BAR's discord and submit a replay to the replay channel and ask for help.
That we people can see what your doing and give you some tips from there
Hi McSchwartz.
I have just started making a playlist for the missions.
they will start going up tomorrow (im making them in order of the list though)
you skipped on early build,, part I was most interested in so I don't get wrecked early, lol. Still, good content. :)
Hey,
I didn't want this to be a build order guide, more of a heres the information you need so you know what all the buildings are and basic strategies. glad you still found it somewhat useful though :)
I always struggle with metal man... always. everybody is on T2 and me not.. I never have metal even tho i am not building too much units. last game i barely make any units and defences and still no metal. i was reclaming everything i could, every stone etc but still struggle with that resource.. i am frustrated
Email me a link to one of your replays, and if your ok with it, i could make a video trying to point out the issues.
Hey Requiem, thank you for the tutorial. I am new to the game and my first thought is that it reminds me very much of Zero-K. Did you, as an dev, take inspiration from that game?
Hey,
Im Glad the video was useful for you. I am afraid that im not a Dev of BAR, just another player like you.
In terms of its likeness to Zero K however. BAR didn't take inspiration from ZK but both ZK and BAR took inspiration from an old game called Total Annihilation. Which is where you see the similarities. BAR's ECO is harder to manage that ZK's however as there is no Mex Overdrive as in ZK
@@Requiem_tv Thank you for responding! I thought you were a dev, because that was the official help link in the game I clicked on and was send to your channel. I guess they haven't done any offical tutorials yet.
Hey, yea there are no official tutorials yet. They do plan to add one to the campaign when its done, but i think they are a long way from that yet
What all types of T2 builders can construct nano turrets? I just started playing yesterday, it's pretty confusing.
I had no idea about T2 bots only being able to build T2 Bot factories, T2 Vehicles can only build T2 Vehicle etc.
Hi @Jacopo
Only T1 engies of all types can build construction turrets.
T2 and comms are not able to.
T2 wise, yea T2 builders of a type can only build T2 of the same type of factory.
Generally though you only want to build one type of unit, unless is for a specific purpose as factories cost quite a lot of resources.
E.g
Late game you have T2 bots. You may want to build a t1 air for scout planes.
hope this helps, any more questions let me know, or if you think something would work better explained as a video
@@Requiem_tv Thanks dude. Been really enjoying BAR. I'm getting the hang of it, been watching a lot of your, Raghna and CronchyChomp videos. Learning a lot about what to and not to do.
I think a guide on what you should be hitting metal and energy wise before going T2 would be helpful, and/or different strategies for it. IE Com sacrifice to get more metal, rushing for it etc.
Why wouldnt you build T1 converters?
T1 you get 1 metal for 70
T2 you get 10 metal for 600, but this also costs 380 metal to build them.
There are many maps with threes or other stuff that will give you energy that you can havest with a reclaimer or a nano turret. There are also situations where you just keep fighting and build wind and T1 converters in the background, because otherwise your T1 builder would be idle.
I mean you can just build some more bots and try to break the enemy, but if you fail you leave behind the metal from your dead units that he will then use.
Wind cost you 37 metal per and you need like 3 or 4 to get your T1 converter going. So you invest about 150 metal to build 4 wind and 1 converter and get your metal back after 2 minutes and from that moment on you snowball. I build 6 wind and 1 converter most of the time and see how it goes
Hey dream, I'm away from. Home at the moment but read my answer to b33r3 comment. There I explain more into the reasoning.
Don't get me wrong there are times and places for it. But the time for return is too high for it to be viable for long term investment
I calculated the time for profit on each one aswell so you can see how long until you actually make the metal back that you invested into it in that comment
Hello, as this looks like an "official" guide, at least is linked in the game, I think it would be nice to add english subtitles, for most non english people is easier to read than to listen
Hey, If you want a more written style, there are some on the website, but you can also use CZcams Transcripts.
Open the videos description and then at the bottom click view transcript.
That will create a written version of what is said with or without timestamps!
The video does also have auto gen'd Subtitles built into CZcams.
Are the Build Power values you showed in this still the same?
Yep non of that has changed
Are there things like power poles? Does it matter where I produce my energy?
No there is no power grid in BAR as there is in ZK.
you can build you ECO anywhere and you dont need to connect it together
How are they not selling this game? I mean as far as RTS go this has to be up there as one of the damn good ones?
starting the game how do i make multiple structures at the start. need to go into greater detail on how you are doing things as in what keys are you using are you macroing and commands together etc..
Hi, Did you check the other guide about playing your first game, In that video i go into how to do certain things, this is more of a explanation as to what ECO is in BAR, and how to get yourself off the ground.
To answer your question about queuing. BARs keyboard layouts for building is the same as many RTS.
Hold Shift when clicking to build multiple buildings one after another.
There are more advanced topics such as grid building and spacing that i plan to cover in a later video, As i wanted to keep this video as to the point as possible
I don't see an option to make an engineer bot. Is that a constructor?
Indeed it is
If you have extra build power and wasting energy building tier 1 converter isint so bad deal. Its only 1 metal and wasted energy. If you are pro enough to not waste metal and not having extra build power before getting access to tier 2 converter then dont build it.
yep that's a good breakdown! As it was a basic breakdown, I didn't want to teach new players to invest to heavily in T1 convertors as you sometimes see new players do in PVP.
9:30 it is actually 5. 3000 / 600 is 5
Indeed, as i said though with 4 it would lead you to have some spare E left.
As this is intended for brand new players, i didnt want them E stalling
when building, what do these green circles mean?
Hey, Im guessing you mean at 4:54. The green circle on the construction turrets so the range in which they work.
@@Requiem_tv And what are the green circles around factorys?
What are mechs? You say to start by building one but you just sort of use the term out of nowhere. As a new player I don't know the slang terms.
Appologies, Mex's is short for Metal Extractor
@@Requiem_tv oh I was thinking mechs like the bot factory.
Still never explained how to get the tech 2 or am i just lost ?
Hi,
To get to tech 2 build a t2 factory with a t1 engi. Then build a t2 engi from that factory to build other t2 buildings.
Just to be clear, a t1 engi can only build t2 of the same type. So air to air, bot to bot etc.
I had to keep the video at a certain length, so things like this got cut I'm afraid as it wasn't strictly about the eco part and more just general gameplay.
@@Requiem_tv Thank you. been practicing playing against the Swarm.
meta, you are wasting power with builders that give energy on trees, that could be used elsewhere. helping to build or building resources. giving a like but not a sub. granted in pvp you might eat me but my kids would roflstomp early game wasting minutes is death
Hey, not sure i get what you mean in the last sentence. But yea wasting build power just reclaiming trees is not great if your just overflowing.
In maps with trees a lot of players get one res bot out early just so they don't have to build power. Or it can supplement an earlier advanced solar. Dont forget to check out the radar video too! make sure your fully aware of how they work in BAR if your unsure about anything, just pop me a comment, i read them all and try and respond :)
11 minutes just to say build the eco buildings...
Then you missed the part about reclaim :D
Too much accent, cannot understand half of what he says
I'm sorry to hear that bhansen. Can't really change my voice I'm afraid. Maybe join the bar discord and get help from someone in your neck of the woods
Whats BAR?
BAR Stands for Beyond all reason.
Its a RTS you can try for free!
www.beyondallreason.info/