NM. v Alec Baldwin Day 3 - Case Dismissed With Prejudice!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 4. 08. 2024
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THE DOCKET
0:00 Welcome
10:35 The Hearing
12:20 Side Issue
15:55 Court Motion - Defense Request for Dismissal - Brady Violation
30:30 Prosecution Arguments
51:51 Defense Rebuttal
54:30 Judge's Requests Supplemental Report
1:00:00 Crime Scene Technician - Marissa Poppell - Evidence
1:12:42 Defense's Questions
1:35:25 Prosecution's Questions
1:39:40 đšCODE REDđš
1:47:30 Judge Thinks About How To Proceed
1:53:15 Jury Excused for the Day
1:56:30 Court Housekeeping
2:00:00 Alec Baldwin Embraces Hilaria
2:10:00 Court Break
2:19:40 Summary
2:22:45 Q&A
2:33:15 Court Lunch Break
2:36:00 Summary
2:37:20 Q&A
2:55:55 Defense Motion for Dismissal
3:20:00 Q&A
3:27:40 Stream Break
3:50:50 Evidentuary Hearing
3:54:40 PDQ Arm and Prop, LLC - Seth Kenney - Prosecution Questions
4:32:45 Defense Questions
5:02:00 Lead Investigator - Corporal Alexandria Hancock - Prosecution Questions
5:26:30 Alec Walks Out of the Courtroom Again!
5:30:18 Judge's Questions
5:33:15 Defense Questions
6:09:20 Judge's Questions
6:24:24 Lt. Brian Brandle - Prosecution Questions
6:40:00 Defense Questions
6:44:05 Prosecutor Kari Morrissey Takes the Stand!
7:03:15 Cross Examination
7:04:45 Erlinda Johnson Resigned From The Case
7:13:00 Kari Morrissey Likes Alec Baldwin on SNL
7:16:00 No Further Argument
7:16:20 Judge Dismisses The Trial With Prejudice
7:21:40 Alec Baldwin Cries
7:32:00 Kari Morrissey Press Conference
7:35:40 Summary
7:43:05 Q&A
7:44:50 How Does This Effect The Hannah Gutierrez Verdict?
7:46:45 Q&A
8:03:00 Erlinda Johnson Resigns Clip
8:10:10 Stream Break
8:16:00 Q&A
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Big props to Erlinda for doing the right thing and stepping away from the case because she knew it was wrong đ
Nah, just CYA
Bailing instead of answering for the issue publicly does not deserve props
@@sallycinnamon5370 Except she did do an interview on it and the testimony after she left clears her. She didn't know about the rounds in question. Kari Morrissey never disclosed it to her (Erlinda came to the case much later, so after the events took place) and when it was brought to her attention, she had an ethical obligation to move for a dismissal just like the defense was pushing for. So she agreed with the defense, the only hold out was Morrissey, so since Morrissey wouldn't do the ethical thing she quit the case. That is what lawyers are supposed to do. I don't get why you think Lawyers should do the unethical thing.
have we jyst discovered the new Camilla Vazques?
@@TheLastSane1 Yeah. I didnât see that interview. I withdraw my objections
good god. you know a case is blown up in flames when the lead prosecutor calls herself to the stand as a witness. what the actual hell.
Yeah. I mean I donât watch a ton of cases, but this seemed a bit unprecedented.
I think she was doing it to save from being disbarred, but I donât really know. Like she was trying to get on record it wasnât willful.
Right? I was SHOOK!
@@mespb She was putting stuff on record for an appeal of the judge's decision. Pretty cool precedent, you aren't guilty of killing someone if you don't know where ammo came from.
@@lgblowz2794 Absolutely Insane. The judge should be removed. Just horrible.
@@lgblowz2794 I think she was trying to defend herself on the record.
As much as I dislike Alec Iâm happy that itâs dismissed under these circumstances. If a rich celebrity canât get all the evidence by his legal team what chance do normal people have.
@@Kreich93 I wish it was a lesson learned, but keeps happening over and over. The problem is the prosecution immunity.
The sad thing is most other people are convicted because they dont have that million dollar defence and the ability to find this information and it can take decades to get to overturning the conviction.
@@harperr2180 and sometimes even if they have it, if the entire system is corrupt, they will keep doubling down. There are cases right now even proved by years of work from innocence project and the county refuses to eliminate the execution date. Is gross. For me any system lead by humans will never be perfect, because the power corrupts, but the judicial immunity makes it worst. They can pass decades doubling down and nobody will make them accountable. That is why this judge won my heart today. If you look at Hannahâs sentencing, is evident that this judge believed in the case, but the moment she saw the minimum appearance of impropriety, as should be, she got curious. She has all my respect.
Normal people- zero chanceđą but I totally get what you mean.
My stomach is in knots. Sad and relieved at the same time.
Itâs also a bit weird to dislike someone you know nothing about.
The Judge is the star đ of the day! Thank Goodness that we saw a Judge doing the right thing and following the law so precisely! đđŒđđŒđđŒđđŒ rectified
i mean, a woman died.
@@bluebellbeatnik4945 and that was a good reason to do a fair investigation.
And the prosecutor who quit mid trial đ
I'm giving Co-Prosecuter Johnson a star as well.
â@@bluebellbeatnik4945absolutely and she deserves justice but every person has the right to a fair trial and this unfortunately was not fair.
Iâm a paralegal, and attorneys like to blame the paralegal. Paralegals do not do anything without attorney instruction.
I'm a paralegal also. I have to run everything by my boss whether I think I know the answer or not. I am not a/the lawyer. It is their bar number on the line with all matters!
Iâm in the middle of some litigation right now and I suspect my attorney is unfortunately âoffloadingâ many of the tasks that he is actually supposed to be doing to his paralegal, and I am noticing many little mistakes, having to call, email and correct them often. I donât blame the paralegal, Iâm sure sheâs overburdened and doing the best she can, but Iâm starting to be irked by what I perceive to be my attorney shirking things off and having the paralegal do things that the lawyer should be :/
I'm a paralegal too, and I hate the blame the paralegal bullsh!t. Usually the responsibility of an attorney that dies not want to take responsibility for his/her actions
attorneys blame everyone. thats their job lol.
Another paralegal here - I echo what everyone in this chain has stated. âNot my bar numberâ is my favorite response to attorneys who try to blame their mess ups on paralegals lol.
It went from âCarrie is killing itâ to rut row real quick
Rut Roh is correct
Made me laugh!! đ Thanks
đđđđ the way your comment made me crack up, is indescribable đ
indeed
LOL. I'm watching it now and Emily just said "Carrie is in control. She's got it. That's good lawyering". LOL.
I am so immensely grateful for televised trial coverage. Finally, those who abuse their power with by being corrupt or incompetent are being brought into the light for all to see. In just one month we've seen negligent police work from officers who drive while intoxicated (Reed), a corrupt, deceitful judge (Glanville) and today a bully prosecutor refuses to take responsibility for her treacherous behavior. It's very sobering, alarming and infuriating to consider how many innocent, railroaded people are sitting in jail because they couldn't afford mllion dollar attorneys. That's not justice.
100%
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Facts, absolute facts!
Louder for those in the back đ
And we found out the same prosecutor and her cops took everything Seth Kinney said at face value when they shouldn't have. If that doesn't make everyone take a second look at their assertion that they know Hannah was the one to bring the live rounds onto set, I don't know what is.
She should have checked the rounds, but Kinney not knowing where his live rounds are at any given time, and when the dummies were picked up, tells me his "helpfulness " may have been him getting ahead of that bus. It tells me that Hannah's recklessness was mitigated by Kinney probably supplying live rounds, which no one in their right mind would suspect a prop house to supply.
Erlinda told NBC News that she tried to persuade Kari to voluntarily dismiss the case over the Brady violation, then walked when she wouldnât.
THAT'S a good prosecutor. Following the law, full stop, no regard for the damage it may do to their case/conviction record. Just knowing that they (not necessarily they themselves but the state as an institution) screwed up royally, and, consistent with the duty of candor to the court, dismissing the case themselves as a result.
OF COURSE, this is the one day I'm not in court! 300 years in the Read trial, 2 days of Baldwin; I'm gone one day and the tea comes out a garden hose!!
Same sameđ
RIGHT??
I got to catch the beginning but had to replay quickly the rest of it and try to not read any of the comment sections!! đđŒ
Yep, same here đ
Same!! I'm catching up with *allll* the f*ckery now. Just wow.
I acknowledge the seriousness of this trial, but honesty that was the most entertaining thing ive watched in forever. Its 2am here in the UK and I can't switch it off. Emily, you add a level of expertise and hilarity to these live trials that is so unique. I applaude you!!!đâ€
UK Law Nerd here too! Donât know how Iâll get to sleep after this! đŹ
In UK too & had to rewatch end at 4am. Having gone to sleep, I woke up thinking that I must have dreamt it đ
Ditto!
Uk law nerd as well! Glad I didnât sit this one out
Uk tooo ! Catching up this morning đ I have zero experience in law but loved watching the depp trial with Emily and now Iâm addicted .
Morrissey asked Poppel these three questions (1:46:26): "if you 'buried' it, how did the defense attorneys know to cross-examine you on it yesterday?", "Do you have any idea when the defense attorneys learned about this ammunition?", "Do you know who they learned it from?"
She then said "Those are some important inquiries". Her focus, even during the hearing, was on figuring out how they got caught, not how all of this happened!
Yeah, it reminds me of the alex jones civil case where jones' lawyer sent their entire disk of files to the other party by mistake (the files they claimed didn't exist) and then Jones got grilled on the stand and he kept saying "well we obviously disclosed it since you are asking me about it now"
This is the best judge Iâve EVER watched. Sheâs fair and unbiased. She treats both sides the same.
Who paid whom off??? The Hollywood nobody is in prison and the multi millionaire is free. Male privilege . đđđđ
i think this is the first judge in a televised trial that ive watched that actually followed the law and treated the prosecution and defense fairly
Agree.
Agree
The judge depp v heard was also fair
Too bad she wasnât on the Karen Read trial!
I totally agree
This is exactly why we need cameras in ALL court rooms! How many people who can't afford a defense attorney (team) like this, has this happened to? I'm shooketh, & disappointed in our justice system.
@@JenBee1 I'm going to slightly disagree. But only slightly. Family court, cases involving that are minors, there are exceptions to all courts being broadcast.
But general, district, criminal ABSOLUTELY! And I'd argue felony court should be taken off the exception list unless lives are at stake, classified information is discussed, or national security is at risk. Even then, there cam be a delay for reactions or certian days not broadcast.
@@faeriefire99 I agree with you on the cases involving minors! For sure! â€ïž
When the prosecutor has to take the stand they're not trying to save the case they're trying to save their career. My grandfather was a defense attorney for three decades and said he's never even heard of this happening before.
I suspect she may face discipline from the State Bar, and she realized that, and was trying to get her side of it on the record. If nothing else, she certainly hasn't done her career any good.
@@20thcenturyrelic Maybe. I have a feeling that she might actually welcome an official investigation. Really, I think this speaks to some major animosity between her and the Sheriffs department.
âIs this an objection or is she just talking?â took me all the way out đ€Ł
Erlinda Johnson was like Brady violation? Iâm out. Like this was so wild. Discussing this in like you learn this in law school: you turn over everything doesnât matter if you think itâs irrelevant.
Right?!?! Where did she go????
She was not aware of this evidence and that it was not turned over.
She talked to Kari over lunch and felt that they had an ethical obligation to agree to the dismissal of this case. Kari disagreed, so Erlinda resigned as she did not want to continue to trample on the defendant's rights.
@@somethinginthenothing
Her interview tonight or last night was amazing. We need more prosecutors that have that level of integrity.
@@karenl9060 she quit, her ethics were more important, as it should be. She is a great example for prosecutors.
In law and crime I heard she quit because she didnât want this part to be televised.
Why? We donât know. Maybe more details will be in as days go by. People have theories so that may entice her to make a statement.
âThis is a terrible fucking ideaâŠâŠi mean Iâm living, but for you, this is a terrible idea.â THIS SUMS UP MY WHOLE AFTERNOON ABSORBING THIS TRAIN WRECK.
This ruling directly protects citizens from being railroaded to appease citizens.
Can't help but be fascinated that she doesn't seem to realize just how bad it looks to make the argument "I can't be held accountable for this fuckup because it was someone else down the line who didn't do what they were supposed to" when her entire case against Baldwin is based on the argument that he can't be absolved of his own negligence just because someone else down the line didn't do what they were supposed to.
I believe Baldwin should have been found guilty of at least something here, but I can't help but balk that they tanked it this bad, and that Kari is going with that line of reasoning for why they should give her a pass on not doing what she was supposed to on THIS case of all cases.
Why do you think Baldwin should've been found guilty? In my opinion, actors should be able to rely on experts
Because safety is an individual responsibility. Precautions are always the way to go with dangerous tools, especially guns.
EDB, I came back to do the replay crew thing at 10 pm ET to watch again. Watching your mindset change as evidence comes forward is why I Stan. Proud to be a Law Nerd for six months. Thank you for everything you do.
Replay crew here too.. my thoughts exactly! So impressive and fun to watch.
I watched 75% earlier, but intermittently. So Iâm catching the parts I missed earlier⊠đ
I hated finding out before watching... but then enjoyed watching EDB see the writing on the wall.
Me tooâŠ.had to come back (in UK) waking up at 4am wondering if Iâd dreamt itđ
@@pigtails98 i absolutely love EDB!! I was work/watching earlier. For replay I have it on 1.5 speed and I have to keep reminding myself thatâs why she seems exceptionally quick witted tonight plus her reactions are so worth the partial re watch. Plus I have nothing better to do on a Friday night đ„€
Wow what a difference as compared to Karen
This judge takes no prisoners
The comparison is insane. Youâre telling me thereâs a Brady violation and the court actually dismisses the case? Itâs like the Karen Read court is in its own universe
EXACTLY. This judge is not on Team Prosecution, unlike Massachusetts and Karen Read's trial.
â@@bwaygal4905c'mon now đ
I would so love "Bought Bev" to address this question!
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Well, this will be an EPIC case study for every law school in the land! That prosecutor isnât missing the point but rather sheâs trying to minimize the fiasco.
This will go down in history -for sure.
@@123marlanamars Yup. Morrissey will make case law in the worst way possible.
Theyâll be citing State v. Baldwin for ages.
âThis case is going down in flames, this is beyond Kesha yelling timber.â đđđđđ
ICONIC!!!
Timestamp, please đ
I yelled đđđ Emily casually dropping lines that i immediately adopt into my vocabulary is one of the many reasons I watch .
@@Maryberry874 timestamp, please đđ»
Time stamp!?
Iâm sorry, I have no clue on the time stamp!
This judge was outstanding
Between this and the Karen Reed case, Iâve got so many questions about law enforcement! Honestly Iâm just stunned by all this shit! đł
Hattrick of prosecutorial/investigator misconduct with the Baldwin case, the Karen Read case, and the Yung Thug case. Must be a bad month to be a prosecutor in a high profile case.
SOOOO MANY questions
Don't forget the level of incompetence that the investigators displayed in the Murdaugh trial as well.
These trials have eviscerated my faith in law enforcement.
And what happened in the YSL rico case!!! Judge had an experte meeting with a sworn witness WITHOUT anyone from the defense team!!! Defense found out, asked judge about it and judge was like who told you? Who told you?
Att got thrown in jail!!! Everyone in position of power, everywhere! In every industry!
And what happened in the YSL rico case!!! Judge had an experte meeting with a sworn witness WITHOUT anyone from the defense team!!! Defense found out, asked judge about it and judge was like who told you? Who told you?
Att got thrown in jail!!! Everyone in position of power, everywhere! In every industry!
Members of the prosecution claiming that the non-disclosure wasn't their fault because "I wasn't told", whilst accusing someone of manslaughter because "It was his job to know!". . .
I mean, this is some of the most beautifully poetic irony I have ever witnessed.
The sad thing about this is that without these caliber lawyers they would have gotten away with it. If you donât have as much money as Baldwin, you might/will not get a fair trial
Hancock: âI asked him to find a way to mail the bullets to me.â Hancock when they arrive: âHow was I to know they were relavent?â
Didnât even look at them. Just tossed them in an evidence locker under another number unconnected to the case.
I wasnât impressed with her in the HG trial. Hope there is at least some disciplinary action.
@@sallycinnamon5370 Disciplinary action shouldn't stop with her, either. From "the police want this from you" to "the prosecutor wants this from you" to "we should file it under a different case number" is pretty bizarre. The prosecutor made clear she wouldn't have disclosed anyway, but this action ensures that even reviewing the case files wouldn't reveal the existence of this evidence, and that it wouldn't be tested against the Rust evidence. Why?
@@BratLyagushkaespecially because it probably wouldnât have changed much about the trial anyway. Maybe would have helped their idea it could have been outside Baldwinâs control etc, but there were going to be some cell phone conversations coming out, his interviews and statements, plenty to work with. And they tanked it just because they were full of themselves. How many times has this law & order team done something similar and gotten away with it because there wasnât another defense lawyer who knew about the evidence? So arrogant to do it on this high profile of a case. The family deserved better.
Emily, I broke down watching the end of this. What a day to witness the justice system play out as it should. I'm about to turn 43, and this was the final prod that I needed to go to law school. You gave me my purpose. Cheers to you and everything you give to the world â€
Good luck!!! The world can always use good attorneys to protect the rights of its citizens!
The year I turned 40, Emily covered Depp v. Heard and that was my signal to apply to law school. Iâm now in my 2nd year and canât recommend it enough. Self-assess yourself along the way with hypos and Quimbee and all the prep questions, do re-readings of the cases and update your briefs and youâll sail! You can never over-prepare for the final!!!
YOU GO!â€â€
Congrats ! A good day for justice.
Nobody cares that you âbroke downâ Emily doesnât care either. Grow a pair.
Iâve never seen a prosecutor take the stand in their own trial. In many jurisdictions that wouldnât even be allowed. Iâve never seen a co-prosecutor resign in the middle of a trial. Iâve seen defence counsel resign but never a prosecutor.
Oh, she DID NOT blame the paralegal.... oh, hayell no. As a paralegal myself, this is one of the most annoying things, when an attorney blames a paralegal for a mistake. That's lawyer 101... never blame your paralegal for your screwups.
Thanks EDB for the coverage! Erlinda resigning during the day is the thing that sticks with me the most. I wonder if it started with the defense's filing the previous night and by midday Erlinda realized she couldn't salvage the case. I wouldn't want to work with Morrissey if I flew in an expert from Italy, put together a strong case and got ready to present it in front of a jury only to learn that I was about to get stomped by a potential Brady violation. I don't think we'll ever know for certain what Erlinda knew during the day but I do find it exceedingly interesting that she decided to gtfo during Seth Kenney's testimony, and that what happened right after that testimony was that Corporal Hancock implicated Morrissey in the Brady issue and set off the ultimate chain of events that led to the full telenovella we witnessed in primetime. I wonder if Erlinda knew what was about to happen at that point, did the cost-benefit analysis, and slammed the eject button before she got caught in the courtroom circus that was set to unfold.
I am absolutely dying to see the sidebar transcript for just that sidebar alone, I need to know exactly what Erlinda said to Judge Sommers when telling her she was resigning from the case, especially since it seems that Judge Sommers just let her do it!
My guess is that Keri thought it wasn't even important enough to share with her co-council. Keri could be right - that it has nothing to do with Rust - but nobody closely investigated what he brought in.
@@pigtails98 With the interview we now have from Erlinda, it looks like you were probably right. She claims to have not known anything about this evidence until the rest of the public heard about it on Thursday afternoon, so evidently Morrissey completely disregarded it to the point of not even caring to share it with her co-counsel. If Erlinda didn't know about it, I wonder if it was even noted anywhere in the Prosecution notes.
Well said
She realized what the activist prosecutor..who STRONGLY agrees with Alec's political views, was doing to get the case thrown out.
@@bennypit4411there is no way that the prosecutor tried to get this thrown out. This blows up her entire career. She might agree with him politically, but an AHs and AH. She wanted to get him convicted, as there was a lot of precedence to never convict him in the first place.
I despise Alec Baldwin and itâs not political either. But this was the right decision. You shouldnât watch true crime if your top priority isnât a fair trial.
Agree!
There was no real reason to dismiss with prejudice.
I don't see why they couldn't call a mistrial and re-hear the trial later and sanction the prosecution. The family of the victim must be livid prosecution spiked the ball like this.
@@Playtechybecause it was exculpatory evidence and prosecution misconduct. Your bias is obvious. Truly the JUDGE understands the LAW more than you.
His lack of remorse is what infuriates me. Decides to do a reality tv show just before this trial! Karma will get him eventually!
@@Playtechythe sanction IS the dismissal with prejudice.
After the trial begins and jeopardy attache, if the prosecution causes a mistrial by their conduct then they donât get to try again. Otherwise, if they were crafty, they could purposefully cause a mistrial if it was going well and take a second chance.
I used to work in film ( Canada) and know a few armourers, even one that worked with Thell in the past. No one I have spoken to about this horrible case believes that the actor with the gun in his hand should have even been on trial. Fundamentally this case is about trying to get the âbigâ name. No one who investigated or prosecuted really understood how a set works. No matter why this case was dismissed this was a fair ruling. Anyone who âhatesâ an actor they donât know cannot form an objective opinion. And there are tons of people who feel this way. I am confusion on that.
Ive been working in the tv/film for 10-11 years now and the most frustrating part of HGRâs trial was that the prosecution had no idea how a set works. Hannah needed a competent attorney that understood just how awful and unsafe Rust was, it wouldâve helped beat back Kariâs bullshit. I have loathed Kari since the outset and Iâm glad she ultimately disintegrated in the end.
This is like blaming the waitstaff for the chef poisoning the food.
Agree đŻ
I donât think as an actor he should have been charged, as a producer there were lax safety standards and they had other unsafe incidents, that would have been more appropriate. No one thinks when handed a gun on set, in theater that itâs is loaded and clearly it may not have been obvious when checked by the actors
Marvelous explanation by Judge Sommer, Fair, Just and Honest analysis of all elements by Judge Sommer.
You can delegate procedure, you can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility.
I liked Kari Morrissey until today. How disgusting - she and those cops? Holy hell. How corrupt is America these days?
Same. Same, same, SAME! Shame on you maâam, shameđđ»onđđ»you!
wouldn't of believed this case could be so crooked unless I got to see the prosecutor and cops in action
@@ItsMissShorty same here too. I give up on believing in people.
I don't know that I believe she's corrupt. I think she royally messed up and the case absolutely got thrown out properly. I think she assumed the rounds were irrelevant and didn't do what she should have done and go look at them herself.
And I imagine this happens more than weâd like. It just doesnât get revealed.
All the breaks made me realise that my Catholic childhood was training me for this day. Sitting, waiting, and being able to take solace in knowing that, eventually, there would be an end đ
I'm actually so happy for Mr. Baldwin. I have followed this case since day one, and being in the Art Production business myself I have always been a strong believer of his innocence in this matter and that he should not be charged for it as an actor and it was questionable to do it even as a producer. Congratulations to you Mr. Baldwin. I'm happy for you and your family.
I'm sorry to Halyna and her family about how this was fumbled but the result I think would have been the same. It's upsetting they won't find closure though from this.
Exactly. I feel the same way.
Same here - thanks!
Then you don't understand what the case is about. He is charged with creating unnecessary and potentially lethal risks on set - which is exactly what he did if you pay attention. Watch the armourer (Brian Carpenter)'s testimony from the Hannah Gutierrez trial, and it is clear as day that Baldwin is guilty.
I totally agree. I donât think he should have been charged at all.
Hancock annoyed me in Hannah's trial, and i feel like i now understand why.
She is lazy and incompetent. I hope that Hancock is disciplined and has to answer for this incompetence forever
Same!
It was interesting watching her try to evade Spiro's questions. I think she didn't understand what he was getting at, but she knew it wasn't good for her.
Idk. I watched Seth Kenney's police interview here on CZcams, and what struck me was how eager he was to throw Gutierrez-Reed under the bus. I thought that he was trying to direct the detective away from his role in possibly supplying live rounds to the set. I'm wondering if possibly the sheriff's department is now going to look at him more closely. I don't think he has an immunity agreement. From the photos I saw, his shop is a mess, and I believe he admitted in testimony in the G-R trial that he doesn't keep an inventory of ammunition.
@@20thcenturyrelic The problem is that he got so much notice and so much time has passed they may never be able to mount a case
@@20thcenturyrelic it would be nice if new team of investigators picked up pro bono to comb through all the cases filed -including cases filed outside of the Rust trial. Call in the ones who left the set (what was their reason for leaving?) (could they have planted a live round to prove their point for their reasons on leaving?) Look through all footage. It could be there is clear evidence on who is as fault and we find these trials was a complete waste of taxpayer money.
Too bad Karen Read didn't get hers thrown out as well. With all the corruption that occurred!
Karen needed a judge like this one.
@@angt563 Bev is too bias. She needs to go back to law school.
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If it goes back to trial it most likely will get dismissed, police deleting and hiding information is much worse than this.
What corruption
THAT is an ethical judge...and Erlinda Johnson is a stand up prosecutor. If only Mass, Fulton County, and so many others were as ethical as these 2 people...and I do not like Baldwin.
I just love the genuine transition of emotions that EDB passes through as she covers the trials. Shows how objective her coverage of the trials is. Thank you EDB!
If only Bev had half the integrity of Judge Sommer
So TRUE.
Agree đŻ
Right????
AMEN
That was a quick trip to New Mexico!! Never thought it would turn out like this. WOW. Thank You EDB for coverage. Looking forward to Coffee and Cursey words on Tuesday.
That was like a layover in the New Mexico airport on our way back to Boston for more jury updates.
EBD Air.... Fly the Fuckery Skies.
I love how Poppellâs attitude improved significantly when questioned by the judge đ
I saw a comment made by Laura Oregon explaining the bullets on News Nations Chris Cuomo interview with Erlinda Johnson.
"People keep missing the reason this is so important. This actually provides an answer of how the killing occurred in the first place.The key is regarding the silver vs brass primers.
Remember, Seth-Kenny provided the training, guns AND ammo to Hanna. Seth-Kenny outsourced the ammo reloads (if you are not a gun guy, or country girl, you will think the only way you get a bullet is to buy one off the shelf, in a prepackaged box), this is not so.
People who shoot a lot make their own bullets which are called reloads. RELOADS significantly reduce ammo costs as you reuse the most expensive part of the bullet..aka jacket. You then add either dummy content or LIVE content, place a primer around it and you get a new bullet.
The bullets on the Rust set were reloads, facts already established. The reloads were outsourced from Joe (there is his name in evidence). Joe was known to use both BRASS OR SILVER primers and was not consistent in which he used for dummy and which he used for LIVE rounds.IF Hanna was taught that all silver primers were dummies, she would only be half right, half of the time.
Remember this new evidence is key because it was said to be from the same BATCH of reloads sent to the Rust site. DOES NOT MATTER IF IT EVER ENTERED THE RUST SITE. This would prove the inconsistency in primer usage and perhaps point to the true failure in the safety process. Hanna could never have been able to tell simply by looking at the bullet to determine if it was a dummy or not since no consistency in the primers existed. She would have to pick it up and shake it.
IF Hanna was taught that silver primers, for example, were always dummy rounds but that she should shake them as an âextraâ assurance (whatever that means), then you can see that the safety failure on the Rust Site occurred way before filming and way up in the supply sourcing chain. It at least explains how someone died."
This is not my own comment just saw it on another interview and thought I'd share it.
I really don't think Seth trained Hannah anywhere near adequately. You ought to listen to Sarah Levinson's testimony during Hannah's trial. Iirc she said Seth only spent any afternoon training her on gun safety - which is just not enough. If he was that blasé with Sarah, there's no way he wasn't that blasé with Hannah.
I literally cannot believe the state of Law Enforcement and courts in this country. Un effing believable.
They don't expect to be held accountable. I'm sure they're all outraged.
Not surprised with the behavior of the prosecutor. You should see how some families are treated that don't have enough money for good lawyers.
Same
Honestly people are always trying to gain an advantage through any means. Its every where. Just one example in sports it takes the form of performance enhancing drugs.
@@315NYWhich means virtually all defendants.
Ok. Happy that the only sane thing was done here, but as a teacher with the rest of my summer ahead of me, Iâm not gonna lie, I was looking forward to more daily streams. đđđ
Same! Like the excitement is real, but now I gotta find another trial until EDB does another đ„Ž Iâll watch day 3 with multiple YTers first đ€Ł
Goodness, I came home from work, poured a glass of Red and have been rewarded handsomely!
I thought when Keri took the stand she would at least ask Erlinda to act as her council... then BAM... she quit earlier that day and we had no idea.
I love that she is so thorough to 100% sure. I also love that she was so bold. Excellent job, your honor!
Thank you EDB! Today we turned my son into a Law Nerd. Also my husband got home from work and said ok tell
Me about trial day!!
My son too. He said âI get it now momâ.
I was about to call it quits on this trial because I thought it was a rehashing of Hannahâs but OH BOY was I wrong!
I watched Runkle calling this first and he was calling it as 'house on fire' and Prosecutor in trouble and heading for Dismissal meanwhile at the exact same points Emily is calling it for the prosecutor and how calm she is and the defence is pulling fcukery. So interesting it shows the different way a prosecutor and a defence lawyer calls the same information and how it totally affects the way we see it. But it was Runkle calling what was happening so early. Then when Emily gets there and goes code red you just KNOW sh$t is about to go down. Honestly this is better than any TV show.
The judge is a gem
I watched this twice (TWICE!) just to see EDB's facial expression journey as the day's events unfolded. This was gold!
You shouting "wtf am I watching" when Alec was whispering in his wife's ear and her caressing his neck/face was hilarious đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł I laughed soo hardđ
I don't think I've EVER seen New Mexico law enforcement behave competently. Usually it's just police officers who should still be in high school. Detective Hancock treating this whole investigation like its text message drama. How do people behave like this and not die of cringe or shame?
@@johns1625 itâs why we call this place the Land of Entrapment
Itâs a shame that Judge Beverly Cannone of MA doesnât have the INTEGRITY and cahones that THIS judge does!!
I have never seen a shorter trial go so far off the rails. Oh and lead investigator is so getting rehomed. đ€·đ»ââïž
You, and only you, are the one that I turn to for excellent explanation that I, as a layperson, can fully understand. Finally I get what âwith prejudiceâ means. I love your honest reaction⊠it was how I realized just how important this ruling,,, this deception, was. Iâm overwhelmed with caring for my 91yo Veteran husband with Alzheimerâs and 2 14 mo old pups my sons gave me just before cancer took my oldest at 52yo so I am no longer able to watch your amazing podcast as I used to quite sometime before that definitive Depp case. Thank you for years of not only great legalese but the entertainment value of your incredible personality. I found you way before the incredulous nearly over a few fortnightâs time and your fun beautiful makeover (which Iâve envied I wasnât younger to emulate) Your dedication to family First has matched my life. That you are having fun most of the time makes me feel happy. How youâve acquired talented crew and advisors for production.. win, win.
3 Q: 1. Your husband was part of your crew⊠has he left his career to solely work with you (if so, howâs that working out)?
2. Whatâs your family up to today (Iâm sorry but only recall you speaking of your son and baseball, I think?).
3. Who would you cast as you in the movie of the week?
Thank you for retaining your true self, staying humble and always respecting others and not allowing or condoning listeners to act on anger or incite poor behavior when they get over involved in some of your cases. Somehow, you effortlessly navigate between the people such as myself and more educated Law Nerds such as yourself or in the process of their education. Iâm sorry for the length of this, but I probably wonât be commenting for sometime.. God bless you and all of your loyal followers. ~ K
Love being a law nerd, and being able to feel really sad for the victims, to really dislike Alec Baldwin and also be furious that Alec's rights were trampled on.
All of this.
Omgosh it would be great if this wouldâve happened with Karen ReadâŠhow much evidence was mishandled with that case?!?!!
Youâd need a righteous judge first.
â@@fitflik4784 exactly
@@fitflik4784it was so refreshing to see a Judge so involved. From wearing gloves, referring to her own note taking , and asking the right questions which led to exposing the prosecutor and lead officer basically colluded to withhold evidence. This case was insane!!!
@@Andy-qk4io It was interesting watching the judge go from being deferential to the prosecutor to realizing that there had been serious prosecutorial misconduct. I have to agree with EDB that the judge was mad as hell about it. In a very judicial and professional way.
Rewatching Hancockâs questions. Iâm shocked all over again
That was like pulling teeth
Yes! It would be amazing to rewatch knowing where the lies, evasion, and 'plausabile deniability' is in play
She was smirking and making faces at Hannah like a 14 year old đ€ź
Her answers had me screaming. No direct yes or noâs, just dodging questions and being super manipulative!
@@rachelsavard851I rewatched the first time Poppel was on the day before, and wow the way she was dodging and he was trying to get her there, now it just looks like she was withholding on the stand. We were all saying oh she is choosing her words carefully, she only wants to talk about her specific job/field, she is a good tech witness. NOW⊠đź itâs there
This was the right decision. Iâm replay crewing with my 80 yo grandparents on Saturday. I was getting super chatty about this with my grandma when I woke up this morning and then she joined me to replay then grandpa joined and now Iâm here explaining the law nerd community to them. Thanks EDB for your coverage đđ
That is awesome âŒïž
Welcome grandma and grandpa! đ
I, too, appreciated Alex Baldwin's Saturday Night Live stints! Best ever!
This prosecutor? She's something else I'll say.
But the best part?
Emily of course!!!
Alec
Yes he was funny on SNL. I can be unbiased there. But heâs a terrible person and a google search will point out all the horrible things heâs done over the last 30 years. Him calling his wife hours after Helena Died (after HE sh0t her) to tell her to come to New Mexico for a fun visit or else theyâd lose their air fare is the most disturbing thing heâs done. He had zero remorse for what he did and zero empathy for her suffering and her families trauma.
@@kateashby3066heâs an awful person, but I do think he had remorse. He was in shock. Alec is known for being an AH, but I donât think we can say he didnât have remorse. Thereâs other examples where he does show remorse.
Replay crew!!!! OMG!!!! Wow!!! Spicy!!! I canât believe this is happening!
SAME. MIND BLOWN!
I miss one day and the whole case gets dismissed! The smirk on her face is unreal! This is just đâŠand oh Carrie! đ€Šââïž
My âspecial lady friendâ told me two hours ago the case was dismissed and here I am!
Emily, I just re-watched your coverage of Day 3 Alec Baldwin for the 3rd time!!!! I am such a law nerd!! You are great. It was better than a movie! Love your reactions. You are fun and a great educator on trial law. Not just for us law nerds , but every criminal lawyer will be talking about this. Thank you sooooo much. You do a great service and you're funny as heck!!!!
Once I heard what happened I knew I needed to watch it all and gradually see you loose your mind. This did not disappoint.
SAMEđ đ đ I started screaming to my husband âI need to watch EDB!â And he told me to watch the news⊠he doesnât get itđ€Łđ€Ł
Wow! Outstanding job by Judge Sommer.
Agreed. She forever earned my respect when she sentenced Hannah and proved herself as staunch supporter of the law again today.
EMILY!!!! I was watching ALL DAY at work but then had to go to a birthday dinner. Catching up on the last 3 hours now. HOLY SHIT!!! WHAT A DAY! Thank you for your commentary and all that you do, you are incredible!!
I stopped watching after the first few hours because the hearing stuff was confusing me, then my husband walks into my office and goes- did you not watch the trial today?!? And I hopped back in. This is wild
Same for me, it was a meh trial. Only watched part of it
@@mariee.5912such a wild result!
Iâve rewatched this more times than I should admit đ€·đ»ââïžđ and the only thing that comes to mind when Kari comes out and speaks is that she still DOESNâT GET IT! She will never admit to HER OWN LIES AND HIDING EVIDENCE.
Morrissey still doesn't get the point and that's scary for any future cases she tries.
Her day job is a criminal defense attorney.
I donât know if sheâll continue as a prosecutor. Sheâs way too much of a liability.
â@Avarren for me, that's what makes this failure to disclose all the more shocking.
How many times should Karen Read's case been dismissed with prejudice for shenanigans by the CW?đ€Źđ€Źđ€Ź
I wish she had a judge like this one. Iâm sure with this judge, KRâs case wouldnât have pass pre-trial.
Comparing the legal process side by side night and day
Norfolk County DA corrupt but not alone he has a team
@Seasheasells For all the crap that Lally pulled he was NEVER sanctioned! J&Y were sanctioned because Dr. Marie Russell offered her services after the trial had started!
@@Seasheasells Exactly, this convinces me even more that with Karen is not errors, is a full system of corruption.
This was the best youtube episode of any channel Iâve ever seen. EDBâs coverage is phenomenal! And, entertaining! The FBI! đ€Ł. KM seems so arrogant. Judge is great. Wow!
That was the craziest thing I have ever seen. Justice prevailed in the end.
Wow, what a day. I hope that someone excerpts the parts starting when Kari Morrissey takes the stand and ... the end. Emily's reactions were priceless.
My faith in the justice system keeps taking hits. From Canton to New Mexico. Wow
There is no Justice, itâs all a game.
At least this judge followed the law
Don't forget Georgia with the YSL case. Woo boy from sea to shining sea
What does it have to do with the system? There was some shady shit being pulled by the prosecution here.
Erlinda gives me hope! There are still some that will stand up for whatâs right it seems!
The lead investigator said in court that the prosecutor helped decide to file the new evidence under a different case number! How is she not in jeopardy of being disbarred?!
Corporal Hancock and Trooper Proctor are a match made in heaven. Perhaps proctor will be rehomed to New Mexico and they could be together!
Best episode of a lawyer on CZcams EVER
I didnât expect it to be done this quickly, but always thankful for Emilyâs coverage of cases!
Holy mother of pearl!!! Wow! I'm stunned how this has unfolded. I didn't see this coming. The judge is pissed!!!!!!! Perfect ending and judgment.
woke up in Europe to news of dismissal, immediately searched out EDB video!
Have you heard about a lawyer that had a fool for a client?? This is a prosecutor that called a fool to the stand.
I think it was the only way for her to get what she wanted into the record. I don't think she thought it would change the judge's mind at that point.
Hancock was a sneaky little thing, she acted on the "dim" side, but I think she was more clever, or at least manipulative, than you would suspect.
Did you notice how her voice got more little-girlish as the questioning went on?
As a career law enforcement officer, this was bad, really, really bad. That investigator deserved to have her behind handed to her because everyone except for the defense KNEW that this evidence existed. I am throwing the bullshit flag on vouchering the evidence under another case number. They knew good and damn well that it was applicable to that investigation but to draw a new case number. Wow, just wow.
Emily I do not know what I would do with you during trials. You make them entertaining and educational. Thank you
Thank you Emily and Mods for sticking with us for 9 long hours! I missed half of today getting ready for tomorrow. Thank you lawnerds for the luck! Replay crew time â€
Edit: just finished. I don't know how to feel. I can't imagine how Halyna's family feels. The second trail in a row no answers given. Everyone is being Canton sketchy. Was he an excuse to lock up? Idk what to think
1,000 cheers for the mods!
Iâm not a Baldwin fan but MAN, his face/reaction got me đ„șđđŒ
What a day to watch amazing experts on the law on youTube
Instead of regular news
Well Done Law Nerds around the world!!)
I was waiting to see Jenson Ackles on the stand. Aw well. I don't think Baldwin should have been blamed for it anyway. Hannah was the armourer. A shame for the family either way
I-fell-down-the-rabbit-hole.....all of this is totally surrea!l
A Gazillion thanks to you Emily for the amazing coverage of this trial đ
Lots of love to all the Law Nerds â„ïž
Valuable lesson for all of us humans. When someone says to you: âIâd be happy to tell youâŠâ, they are gearing up to tell you a LIE.
Replay crew here - like EDB says what is legal isn't necessarily moral or right. My heart goes out to the victims' families tonight. I strongly believe he is guilty and should be held responsible. It makes me angry that he will spin it as a win and vindication.
I hope this haunts Carrie in her private times.
âŠ.. ok, I missed all the tea and drama!!! I was at work!
MUST catch up.
@@Certari me too!
Wow. Wow. Wow. That was đ. Thanks EDB for your commentary and analysis. I started watching this hours behind. Its 5:05am in Kenya and once I got hooked yesterday, I just went on. Could not stop. Could also zoom zoom for myself. It was literally live court magic. Wow. Okay, let me catch some sleep or something. Wow