How did the Pathogen (Black Goo) Lead to the Neomorph? - Explained
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- Between the Prometheus and Covenant missions, the "Black Goo" seems to have undergone some significant changes. How did this lead to the Neomorph?
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Full theory:
We know from the mural in Prometheus that the Engineers knew about Xenomorphs and Facehuggers (both pictured in the mural). This leads me to believe the Engis took from the Xeno's (which existed naturally on many worlds throughout the galaxy) the unique gene that gives them the ability take foreign DNA and mutate and integrate it into the xenomorph's own biology. This gene lets the Xenos instantly adapt to whatever environment the host is operating in.
The ship in Alien (the 1st movie) was one which was harvesting eggs of the species to use to develop this weapon / tool. The Engis took this gene from the Xenos and weaponized it making the black goo because they saw its amazing unique properties to change life. David then learned about the origin of the black goo and tries to reverse engineer a xenomorph from what little data he could find because he believes this ability to mutate and adapt to the universe to be perfection.
There we go... All tied up nice and neat. God I hope they don't fuck up the last film and make this very clear.
Kenshar1984 I like this theory it's possible the the original wild Xenomorphs were too agressivness and hard to control so the engineers thought they could make them more docile by rebuilding them from scratch
Oh yeah... They could add details anywhere they like... but with the mural actually showing a Xeno and facehuggers coming out of eggs and even one latching onto an engi face.... I don't see how they could write it any other way really.
Yes! Well said
Kenshar1984 I dont like it. Xenomorphs should not naturally exist on many planets. They are designed to be perfect organisms. Nature does not create perfect organisms. It wouldnt make sense that the Xenomorphs have all their abilities if they were just animals. They should continue the idea of Xenomorphs being designed to be perfect organisms.
Well explained
I just wanna know why the xenomorphs were gone before Prometheus.
You can see carvings on the walls of the Xeno or some sort of Xeno, it looked like a queen.
To me, I feel that David reincarnated them instead of creating them.
He was simply studying a lost and ancient life cycle through other life, such as humans.
To me, I feel this goes much deeper then anything we’ve seen.
It’s fascinating.
It's bad writing, is what it is. Bad writing and concepts stolen from X-Files.
That was actually the original deacon alien that gave them the golden black goo which was its blood.
That was the deacon. As the engineers became more technologically advanced that lost their ability to procreate. A member of the Engineers race sacrificed himself and used the blood of the deacon and used himself to seed other worlds. Thats why the mural had the deacon (which looks very xenomorph-esque but I don't think it is) and then there was the large head in memory of the sacrifice of their homie. The one thing that is never explained is the deacon. How did it act? How intelligent was it? Either way, they eventually ran out of the deacon blood and in a desperate attempt to not have their species die-off they tried using their technology to copy and replicate the Deacons blood...they messed up/it didnt work and thats what the black goo is. It is the bastardized version of the deacons blood.
Crazy Idea what if the millions of years of evolution after the engineer drinks the goo in the beginning. Also the goo in modified xeno goo made to seed planets. However engineers dont know or do know the goo is imperfect. The DNA will always guide itself to make an android/ david that is drawn subconsciously to iron out the imperfections of goo dna and create xenos. So any planet that is seeded has strong possibility` to create a "David" that will make xenos. @@gigabytes5955
Here's my take after years of piecing together the story in this franchise. The black goo IS the xenomorph. It is the most fundamental stage of it's lifecycle. It's not a biological pathogen, but a kind of nanite swarm intelligence, whose function is to harvest and recompile genetic material into a "perfect" organism. The engineers likely discovered this nanite intelligence, respected and worshipped it's abilities (hence the mural in Prometheus) and attempted to harness it as both a weapon, and engineer it for other uses such as planet-seeding as seen in the start of Prometheus.
The black goo proved to have it's own intelligence and motivation, and using it as a weapon only served to further it's goals. Eventually the engineers lost control of it due to it's extreme adaptability. In the prequels you see the goo in it's preliminary form, looking for an initial host to infect and begin harvesting DNA. This results in the more basic and primal creatures like the neomorph. As the goo runs through it's lifecycle multiple times, it harvests more sources of genetic material to create an ever more perfect being. The end stage of this cycle eventually becomes the xenomorph seen in the original movies, as Ash puts it: "the perfect organism." In covenant, David simply speeds up this process.
The initial aerosolized nanite stage of the goo is highly virulent, but also very deadly and straight up kills or turns most infected to anathema, only the occasional host deemed suitable. Then, the organism quickly switches to a form of parasitic insemination, as it has a much higher chance of successfully incorporating the hosts DNA into it's next, more evolved, generation.
As far as I know, this explanation doesn't conflict with the movies, and is also totally badass. It really cements the xenomorph as a nearly unstoppable cosmic horror. Not a hunter or weapon designed to wipe out biological life, but a genetic architect that harvests you to evolve.
Another Neomorph bedtime story by Alien Theory. My night’s complete.
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Wtf
literally . Gold
Don't let the bed bugs bite.
At least once a week when trying to insert a scary Alien type of dream, Alien Theory is the place to go. I think this channel is great.
The original Xenomorph is in sculptures all over the Prometheus base, so even within those two films they clearly had to have existed for ages!
That alien in the wall is the Deacon
@MonkeyZorr Ridley is an idiot
Alien Vs Predator, Ancient civilization Plot.
@@SandeepSinghKhalsa well the thing is AVP isn’t exactly cannon
@@nightlight3826 None of this would exist but for that man you refer to as an "idiot."
I'm probably one of ten people on the planet that actually enjoyed Covenant. Honestly, I really enjoyed the film.
Lee Croft Yay finally a fellow covenant fan! I really enjoyed covenant! I saw every trailer and information I could get my hands on before it came out and it so I kinda knew what would happen and to me it was still so scary! Lol!
Ditto! It saddens me all the hate it gets. I feel like "fans" aren't really judging it as a movie, but rather as "how well does it fit into [X] interpretation of the Alien universe."
One thing the original Alien did really well, and these new films do a great job of recapturing, is the general feeling of journeying to a new world, the beauty and thrill of exploring it, and the horror of realizing humans are outmatched by what they find. Not many films even try anymore to tackle the idea of exploring space and the unknown.
Do you guys are prometheus fans too? I really love it and can't understand what the reason for the punishing is.
In some ways enjoyed it more than Prometheus, but it seemed to be lacking the horror element that the previews implied...
I did enjoy Covenant, although i have a lot of questions hehe.
I like to think that the Xenomorph already existed and that the engineers acquired them to use in weapons research just like The Company tries to.
Not only that but specifically to use against an enemy such as the Predator.
I prefer this myself.
They were hired by the Predators to create a better more perfect prey for hunting.
David was simply the guiding hand of a process that was already started, he merely pointed it in the direction it was almost always going to go.
Based on the Xenomorph mural on the wall of the Engineers building in Prometheus, I think it's safe to say that David was simply tinkering with their well-established creation.
Actually, the space jockey should be thematized, this short scene in Alien 1 shows that it is not an engineer, but the technology has been copied. I think the story is misinterpreted.
David didn't invent the Xenos. This has been stated both in the novelization and by Scott Ridley.
He was only trying to create life with what he had.
The crashed ship of Alien predates the events of ALL the movies by hundreds if not thousands of years (the Jokey is even fossilized and says so in the book)
I agree; David did not create the Xenomorphs as we know them, but he did create an entirely new strain, independently, but also totally identical to the strain we are all familiar with from the 1979 movie.
So... I can listen to Alien Theory for hours on end, learning and storing all this information for later referral. But when it comes to studying for an exam I fall short of average results and over all boredom. What the hell man
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The character of David was so well written that I would watch a movie solely focused on him.
I think David made his own version of the pathogen and xenomorphs/ neomorphs but the blueprint for the beings was already there. The xenomorph mural on the juggernaut suggests there was already some creatures,and those engenniers we're running from something.
Was it realy in the juggeraut? Wasn't it in the chamber with the faces and all the black goo capsules?
Though the idea of David creating the first Xenomorphs himself is tantalising and fun, I can’t help but feel like it would detract hugely from the mystique and mythology laid out by the original 1979 film.
The derelict ship found on LV-426 always seemed to have been there for thousands of years, based on the fossilised look of the captivating “space jockey”. If it were true that David had created them, then it would require that the ship had been there for no more than a measly 17 years. Not exactly lifetimes or millennia; and there goes all the mystique.
Also, there would have to be some elaborate as-yet untold explanation for how the derelict ship, apparently piloted by the Space jockey got there with a ship full of David’s creations, with one bursting from the pilot’s chest in the intervening 17 years, after the Android seemingly killed off all of the Engineers years prior. It’s not like some story in between couldn’t be cooked up, but based on how convoluted things would be getting, I doubt it would be a particularly satisfying one. The meta narrative would have to bend over backwards to fill in the gaps and make David the overall reason for what is found in the original film in a satisfying way (and still it would render the mystique null and void. Not to mention the fact that we’ll almost certainly never get this filling in the gap film anyway now, due to Covenant’s underwhelming box office and the subsequent Disney takeover of Fox.
Then there’s also that bass relief of the Xenomorph on the wall of the temple on LV-223, suggesting the Engineers have either seen, or at least conceived of the Xenomorph previously. Or perhaps it already preexisted naturally and they came across it and were admiring of it enough to want to attempt replicate it somehow.
Either way, I don’t like the idea of the derelict in Alien only having been there for a little over a decade, and somehow left there under some random circumstances by David. That would detract from Alien hugely for me, and Alien is the most important film in the series, for obvious reasons.
I agree. The idea of this distant, bleak little corner of the universe that holds a timeless horror that may have existed before humans walked upright and may well continue to exist after we're gone and forgotten. Always just waiting for some unfortunate creature to happen upon.
I feel like david isnt the creator of the xeno we know hes trying to recreate it
Exactly.
It turns perhaps the best monster in sci fi film history into nothing more than the daddy issues revenge story of a psychopathic robot - which just sounds dumb and not remotely as interesting.
For me this is why the franchise ends after Alien and Aliens; I'm fine with not knowing the story behind the derelict ship on LV-426 at the point that 'Aliens' finishes, especially since the alternative is contemplating what they've come up with in subsequent films, which does undermine the mystique and horror. For the same reason I've little faith that 'Romulus' will be any good, as the franchise ('Alien Isolation' excepted) veered way off track into bloated, boring and nonsensical territory a long time ago. It's a shame as the original xenomorph is still the most terrifying creature to grace cinema screens.
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Off-topic, but being familiar with the Star Trek Star Maps and playing around with Celestia, I've learned that the Zeta Reticuli stars are located rather close to the Romulan Neutral Zone. I'm now starting to play around with a personal fanfic of Romulans finding the crashed derelict on LV-426, and intercepting the Nostromo before it had the chance to drop their lander onto the moon.
The engineers had artwork depicting ancient xenomorphs.
My problem with Covenant was trying to figure out what David experimented on if his initial goo bombardment killed all animal life.
Whoops, narrative plot hole.
Shaws ovaries and perhaps animals from other rocks.
@@robertmason6366 ok that's a guess I can get
Shaw
Remember when xenomorphs were just bio weapons created by the space jockeys
I always wanted to think that aliens were a result of an evolution on their planet. And then space jockeys stumbled on them somewhere and something happened.
I would have been completely happy to never know the "real truth", it would have left sense of mystery and concentrated the focus on present day and on the alien running behind you in a dark corridor. Well, maybe left some tidbits of information that would have actually created more questions than answered them.
But i guess this was Scott's way to turn the focus from the "guys doing the right thing greedy corporation" theme, that was in 1,2,3 and somewhat in 4.
Now it's the arrogance of human race, creating life and morality. Who knows, perhaps in a decade or two there will be a new trilogy that once again shifts the focus into some other subject.
Alaric Balthi that's better than scott's vision
hayden as bad as Prometheus was I liked that origin better
MonkeyZorr it was better than xenos being made by a pissed off robot
True. But Aliens changed everything so...
I always wanted to see more Deacon stuff .
The concept art for the Deacon reveals that it originally was going to be given more screen time.
so did I man I think it was the deacon that laid all the eggs in alien one
@@kyleallam605 How? The Deacon in on a different planet
@@Lirka_906 there were other juggernauts on LV-223 parked in hangars. Shaw herself borrows one of the extra ships to leave the planet in search of Planet 4. It's not impossible to imagine the Deacon using one of the juggernauts to do what Shaw did and leave the planet.
I like the idea that David pulled some kind of taboo in the engineer culture, that experimenting with the creatures created was a prospect they feared and that the xenomorph was an angel of death as seen on the mural in Prometheus, which was a warning to not lose control, that if you go beyond what the pathogen creates, a monster emerges. That explains why the mural in that movie depicted it appearing like some deity.
I like this idea! very cool
Love how you delve into the Pathogen. Because this is a topic of great interest to me in the Alien Universe. I believe that the pathogen is the complete beginning of the Xenomorph.
Literally stolen in every way from Chris Carter's X-Files series.
The entire conspiracy there was a group secretly creating an inoculation against such a virus so they, and other elites would remain human when aliens inevitably used the virus on Earth.
In X-Files, the virus is a moving black goo that infects and alters any life it comes in contact with and , when inside a human, will be seen in the eyes- turning them black.
It's pretty blatant theft.
Kids! This is why you ALWAYS wear protective outfit and helmet when you enter unknown planets:)
@Scott Prendergast the spores...it all started with spores.
Always am pumped when I see you uploaded a new video, quality as always!
*Thank you for always going so deep in explanations based on all viable sources of info!! You're the best!! :D*
I very much echo this sentiment. Love your videos. There is just so much unexplained from the movies.
Middle of Knowhere Sadly yes,primarily because they removed too many scenes from the cinema release,and you can only find those scenes on the DVD. David goes on a 10-15 minutes long explanation of his lab work. In the cinema they only showed 3 minutes. Pathetic! They ruined the movie's potential!! :(
Agreed. I welcome a 2.5-3 hour run time. I wouldn't mind it!!! To me the downfall of the Alien movies after Aliens was the pacing. In alien 1, it felt like a few days passed before we got the chest burster, in Aliens, it seemed like days passed as fortifications were erected. Hell even Alien 3 had better pacing. In AVP 1 and 2 it seemed like minutes passed before a chestburster appeared, which threw things off. A4 just pissed me off from a sci-fi perspective (THAT'S NOW HOW CLONING WORKS!!!) among other things.
Prom and the new one had great potential, introduced neat concepts then bailed on offering much explanation. I hope the 3rd one offers more. I don't want the franchise to die. It should get the Fast and Furious treatment (but you know, actually be good) with a movie every couple of years--at an R rating.
Middle of Knowhere Indeed! Thought Ridley Scott will have to make some miracles happen on his scripts. I personally have some theories as of some good potential futures the next movies can introduce us to,though it'll be hard! For example,I'd expect Daniels to be the first Queen!
I expect Walter to come back somehow (I hope). I also expect David to become the progenitor of the first Xenomorph that is bio-mechanical in that somehow he'll create a facehugger that even works on him and the chestburster will be the first combination of synthetic and biological and that is where we'll get the line of Xenos we know today.
I feel it evident that David based his own experiments upon work already accomplished by the Engineers.
Its interesting that at the end of your video, I noticed that when David laid the flower on Elizabeth Shaw grave stone. I never noticed until now, that the flower looked like an egg or pod. Very reminiscent of an alien egg.
There was a difference in time frame of several thousand years from the ruined Engineer outpost in Prometheus and the Engineer colony that David wiped out in Alien: Covenant.
It is quite possible that the Neomorphs were created from David experimenting with the weaponised goo on board the Engineer ship and stuff they might have had on the colony.
David would have experimented with both types of Pathogen, but the Xenomorph could have come from the more up to date version they could have had stored on the colony.
The reason why the Engineers changed the formula from the ruined outpost's version to the newer one could easily be explained by the older variant being more unstable to store.
The Outpost was destroyed by what looked like an accidental spill of their ooze cache.
You saw how "Unstable" the jars of ooze became when they were exposed to air in the "Face Room" and you saw in the original Alien where the crashed Engineer ship had a cache of Xenomorph eggs which were quite stable after enough time to fossilize the Engineer corpse in the pilot's seat.
The fact that there was a cache of eggs already in the crashed ship on LV-426, The fact that it takes approximately 10000 years for organic matter to fossilize (meaning the Engineer ship crashed over 10000 years ago) means that David didn't create the Xenomorphs, just experimented with them.
But they messed a lot with established cannon in Alien: Covenant, so what do I know lol
What we have learned from Prometheus is that there were two factions of engineers that were in conflict with each other. We can speculate that one side wanted to preserve the purity of the original Deacon blood and were keeping the synthesized blood (black goo) under strict quarantine while try to figure out o way to make it controllable. The rebel faction however wanted to get their hands on the black goo for another reason (one that we cannot determine yet). The security holograms and the signs of struggle from the containment facility indicate that they were partially successful in retrieving a sample of the goo. However many of them perished in the fight and even had to abandon some of their ships on the planet. This is the ship that David and Shaw escaped on.
David certainly was responsible for the release of the virus that led to the complete destruction of the planet's wildlife. To him it was just an experiment and the mass genocide of an entire species was not a moral issue. Even though David clearly experimented on the specimens taken after the initial infection i believe he did not have the tools to make genetic experiments. For that you would need a fully equipped genetic engineering facility and i don't think the Engineer ship was equipped with one. The way his lab is portrayed in the film also gives us a clue to this.
It is more likely that David simply stumbled about with the crude medical tools he had at his disposal to understand the way the goo virus mutates various creatures it encounters. He was an observer, helpless to stop or control the spread of the virus in any way so he decided to study it. All the specimens in his lab, the dissections and experiments indicate that he was observing the results of the virus. He understood that the black goo was not just an engine of life, but was a WMD designed to purge an entire world of all living things, possibly to leave it open for further engineer experiments.
Such amazing content it’s sad that the alien theory ends up being more entertaining then the movies. Thanks for the content.
Excellent quality as always my man!
Great explanation dear. I really love Neomorphs. I'd love to see them again in the future Alien films
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A tenth of a way there !
Great content! Your channel adds depth to the movies. The tone of the narration is atmospheric.
Hope you continue to post more videos.
I think some fan fiction regarding David's maintenance...or lack thereof, over a decade would be an interesting point to explore.
Its seems that the Engineers had already figures all of this out, her long ago. David was researching the "goo" to understand what it was meant to do. The Alien really does seem like a project that predates man, in this story.
The pathogen is OP.
I'm confused, didn't the engineers use the pathogen to create human life in the beginning???
@@prue5588 No idea... God only knows where things are going now that jizzney bought the franchise.
@@citizen_or_civilian 🤣🤣🤣 So what was the point of the engineer drinking the Pathogen and felling into the water? I'm so confused 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️😐
@@prue5588 the pathogen worked as a fast way to multiply cells so when the engineer drank it the pathogen dissolved his cells and used them to create other life forms when he fell in the water evolution started to occur
@@cl0wn376 thanks
I really appreciate your channel! saw finally all of your videos about the alien! just keep on with your work !
Another excellent video! Keep up with the great content! Voice is perfect for this stuff.
I don't think the Engineers created the original Xenomorph, because they wouldn't want a self-sustaining weapon like a Queen. The Engineers are all about control and that would disrupt it, especially considering it was meant to destroy planets as opposed to a living lifeform. David creating it makes more sense as he admires it for its hostility and because he wants to leave a legacy like his forbearers he creates it into a sustainable life so it can reek havoc on the galaxy, bastardizing the Engineers original intent. Plus the aesthetic choices for the Deacon and Neomorph make more sense style wise for the Engineers as the Xenomorph compliments David's.
Kerza AG AVP is not canon.
Yes, it is not but even if it was canon... time travel would be a solution like a wormhole with a time differential or something.
I think the Yautja created the original Xenomorph. David must have followed in their footsteps to create the Neomorph and the Xenomorph.
No, I think the alien lifeform we've come to know as the Xenomorph already was there all along.
The novelisation of A: C and Prometheus don't support the "David created Xeno" theory at all.
In fact, if you own Prometheus on blu ray, and read "The Peter Weyland" files (In this case you need the one that comes with the Quiet Eye viral) you will find this note.
_"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from one of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of Shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426."_
So yeah, it's quite simple really. We all know what was on LV-426. A derelict full of eggs... Eggs that are also seen on the fresco images on LV-223... David did not create the Xeno, simple as that.......
This creature had some kind of special significance within Engineer society, and perhaps the Engineers tried to tame it in some way. It seems to have been some sort of symbiotic relationship even.
There's probably more to the story then we know atm. I read the Peter Weyland file and it is quite interesting but this was made at the time when they weren't quite sure where to go with the franchise and it could just be a simple Easter Egg, like they did with the Tyrell Corp Easter Egg.
The Novelization of Covenant, while awesome, isn't canon as Alan Dean Foster was working with early scripts and added his own embellishments such as David finding an egg on the Juggernaught.
The Mural displayed in Prometheus is of a Deacon, the Engineer creation, and probably had a similar life cycle hence what you see. If you look closely you'll see the Facehugger looks like the early concept ones drawn by H.R. Giger.
If you check out the Official Alien Universe website, they'll confirm that Covenant was the Xenomorph origin story.
*David succeeds. After ten years of experiments, meticulous collection of data, and the opportune shift in fortunes that brought the Covenant’s crew to the Engineer Planet, the Xenomorph is born. Arguably one of the most widely recognized monsters in movie history, the Xenomorph represents genetic perfection. Evolutionary superiority. ALIEN: COVENANT is much more than a prequel to Ellen Ripley’s ALIEN.
It is the origin story.*
Is nobody going to talk about how in these movies, the different creatures can become HUGE gigantic without consuming ANY matter? How their dividing cells can just grow out of thin air with magic?
If I recall the Alien novelisation correctly - it's been a long time - the crew found evidence that the chest-burster and raided the ship's food supply to fuel it's metamorphosis, though it still happened unfeasibly fast.
thank you so much for subtitles!!
Excellent , very informative!
Love the channel and the quality of the videos. I look at these 2 movies as just one part of the alien universe. They are beautiful films even if they had bad plots and horrible characters well most of them. But that’s just my opinion I will still watch them. Again thank you for all that you do
The theory that David created the Xenomorphs doesn't quite sit right with me. It doesn't really feel like a worthy origin story for the "perfect organism". Having it happen that way feels way too inspired by frankenstein, where man (Weyland) created the monster (David/androids) that would eventually turn out to be his doom (the Xenomorph). I would much prefer the Xenomorph species to be a naturally evolved organism from some far-away reach of space, rather than something that was created by a man-made andriod.
@wolfbitch82 If your logic was worth anything, an android would have created a super extinction level bio-weapon on Earth ages ago just for luls.
@wolfbitch Its perfect only in that its strong and resilient as hell but in terms of how we understand a reason to live in terms of sentience the xenomorpth is no better than an ant, it doesn't live for any other reason other than survival, while humans can do so much with life, also its a destroyer species that will wipe out all and eventually itself when no more host are available
Too late they’ve fucked it all up! Disney.
So death by AI is too much?
The fact that the engineers already had pictures of xenonorphs on their walls and he space jockey was there means it can’t have been David that creates them - maybe reverse engineered them back from extinction but never created them as they’d already existed
awesum work dude!! thx!!
So if ths Trilobyyte was birthed by Dr. Shaw....what would have happened if the fully grown Giant Trilobyyte/Face Hugger would have attached itself back onto Dr. Shaw instead of the Engineer at the end of Prometheus? It would essentially be returning to its original incubator and to my knowledge we haven't seen any other situation like this. Would be an interesting point to theorize on. Keep up the great content.
Nice videos really good
I like to think that it was David's tinkering that resulted in the protomorph / neomorph. It gives the ending of Covenant that extra clout, when you realise what he accomplished with primitive equipment, to having almost unlimited test subjects. Hopefully we get a sequel.
I love your videos man they keep me intrigued as to what this universe brings
Good video as always!
I Always wondered if the Shaw's impregnation wouldn't give her some kind of disease and if this is possible it could give some clues about her death and what David did to her. At least that's what I think.
Oh by the way I think I just drinked some of the Pathogen what should I do now?
Neomorph's are genuinely interesting and *creepy* species?/mega - virus? ; covenant had very interesting scenes; awesome video as usual ! 👍
Man, you sure know your craft. Very interesting presentation. Good job.
Shaw being the egg is actually in line with the original vision for Xenomorphs, they would kidnap the crew instead of kill them and put them into a sort of cocoon that would turn them into a face hugger egg
Hey AT! just wanted to say that I love these videos! I haven't seen very many of the aliens movies or expanded material like the comics - I've only watched Alien and the first AvP, but your videos inspired me to become a near hardcore fan. Keep up the great work, friend!
Based upon Prometheus David was heavily influenced by the work of the engineers. There’s even a statue in Prometheus that looks very much like a Xenomorph. There’s little chance David could come to a similar outcome by chance. Likely it’s true he felt alone and decided to partake in experiments and had access to a wealth of engineer science and tech. David already showed his willingness when he first exposed the Prometheus crew to the black goo.
your doing great work man
Love this stuff man
Always interested in these Neomorph theories. I feel like these guys haven’t got enough fans: not that I don’t like Xenomorphs.
Fox should hire you.
I remember an Engineer saying these words to me, a long time ago: "...we were no longer searching for who created Us; we went looking after who created Them.""
Hey Alien Theory great work as usual
Love your channel! The Covenant novella is really good.. I finish it a few days ago on audible.. Along with Alien and Aliens.. Speaking of which.. I cant believe Capt Dallas blamed Ash for what happened to kane.. That was a great addition to the novel.. Hopefully u could make a vid on that topic one day. But honestly my favorite one thus so far is Definitely Alien River of Pain.. It was a horrific thrill ride from beginning to end.. Ironically the Voice Actor who potrayed Capt Bracket in that novel. Actually starred in the first AVP film.. River of Pain is Best prequel to Aliens ever ..with no stone unturned.. When it comes to continuity of the events of Aliens.. But to anwser your question.. Yes i believe this was all David's doing honeslty.. Including Shaw's distress signal.. And also believe this is only the beginning.. 2000 colonists with embryos as well? Its like Christmas to David right about now.. On a high tech, state of the art ship? He has no bounds now.. ! 7 whole months! To experiment with! So many possibilities! My next 2 reads will be Alien 3 @ 4.. Question though.. When does Alien "Out of the Shadows" take place exactly?
id like to believe david just piggybacked of off work already done by engineers, but it would be too good to be true, canonically though, he probably did everything
Awesome Video! 👍👍
Awesome video man!! Really enjoyed it, I love the alien movies, really enjoyed alien covenant, absolutely amazing movie
I will say that David is reverse engineering his own version. I’m still convinced the ship on LV-426 was still there before the events of Prometheus. Hell, I’m hoping the jockey is something completely different considering the derelict, and engineer’s ship looks pretty different in shape, size, and materials.
I don’t get David’s logic. Isn’t spores a more efficient way of reproduction than needing eggs and a queen?
Possibly but I don't think neomorphs have a way of reproducing these spores at least I don't remember a way, so maybe that's why
@@TheOliverthecat The neomorph was a lesser creature.
David likely had some affinity for animals (human type) vs genetic spores. Perhaps he hoped to accelerate its life and get a near human like creature to interact with (without the emotional flaws, immortality urge, cruelty, greed and uncertainty). After all he was immune to its danger
Great insights!
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The Neomorph is the natural end product of the black goo. created by the engineers. The mural in Prometheus is probably a type of Neomorph. The xenomorph is a refined, self-sustaining variant of the Neomorph created by David through crossbreeding and such. All Neomorphs probably display some form of physical individuality as they are all generated through mutation. The Deacon can probably be seen as a sort of Neomorph.
That's the same exactly theory I have as well. The Engineers projected all the Goo/Trilobite/DeaconNeomorph organism but things got out of control. David started to experiment on other surviving animals and creatures of the Engineers planet, and the result was the Protomorph, almost a good and old Xeno.
David created the protomorph all his others according to his were failures. He stated it didn't affect everything the sameb it was cleaver and either killed the host out right or gives birth to a form of a morph. One would assume it would ceate a different subspecies due to variations in the host DNA and how the pathogen had to realign the DNA. David said he became a zoologist and started hybidizing them.
I still cant accept mrs. Shaw death.. she is a good person
Always like your videos
video is spot on, as always
I think the original concept was created by the engineers and David tweaked to fit his own design philosophy. I also would like to think the predators are a client state of the engineers, and they would buy dangerous specimens from the engineers for sport. That however is a half baked idea.
I like the idea that the Engineers created the pathogen to both create and destroy life as they saw fit and David went on to pervert that cause and, like you say, play god. He wanted the same power Weyland had over him, to be revered as a creator, not a creation leading to the events of Covenant and arguably the rest of the franchise. But then of course there’s the Xenomorph mural in Prometheus which implies David was just playing a game of “anything you can do I can do better”, either that or Ridley Scott just cannot decide what he wants the Engineer/Xenomorph history to be as it seems to change movie to movie. The ambiguity is cool though, it allows channels like this to exist where everyone can discuss their own interpretations
Amazing video man love all this info so thnx mang...
"Life finds a way".. I think the goo unleashed from the ship probably did alot of crazy things outside of killing those engineer types, possibly creating those spores eventually
Woah dude I haven’t heard from alien stuff a little after the new alien movie
I don’t know if you’ve covered this elsewhere or its been officially confirmed, but in my opinion the inhabitants of “Paradise” weren’t engineers, they were just another experiment by the actual Engineers. Possibly a more recent one. That’s why the inhabitants welcomed the arrival of the juggernaut. They thought their gods had returned.
Another amazing video
Very nice video
I like to think David entirely made the classic xenomorph by himself, but there was an ancient xenomorph-like creature that was on the mural. And maybe that creature was a grown up deacon
I think that neither the Engineers nor David created the Xenomorph. I believe that BOTH just followed Experiments that already have taken place long time ago. And these experiments called Evolution. I still think the Xenomorphs are a natural species and both David and the Engineers just tried to reconstruct these "perfect organisms" however both failed. (Cause we know David's result was a Proto- not a Xenomorph) That is my theory on that.
great video
I came to this a little late but very good video; I have the Covenant book and although I haven't gotten around to it yet good to know it goes more in-depth than what we might have gotten on film. Of course, with Alan Dean Foster at the helm, if you've read his other alien books you know he can get a bit cerebral and dialogue heavy. Not exactly a criticism of his work. I like that aspect, even though there are other points of Foster's work that I take exception with.
I am a aliens nut I love all to do with the xenos not to sure about it leaning towards the A.I. of the next film awakening but it could be good if written and directed right. But I like everyone else want to see what we the fans were promised, the actual tie in to 1979 Alien, after that I say let Blomcamp do his thing. Alien 5 would be fucking awesome.
A FALSE ALIEN! A *_REAL_* ALIEN WOULD REFER TO ITSELF AS THE HIVE!
I think it was all David’s twisted mind that created this beast
@MonkeyZorr Nope, it was H.R. Giger's.
It was already designed to make Xenomorphs, you can get this from Prometheus when they encounter the head chamber and the mural has a queen xeno on it.
If I recall correctly, the book went on a little further after where you stopped your excerpt, where while picking up an egg from one of the tables (you actually see him lift momentarily in Covenant before it cuts to him leading Oram down the stairs) David shows Oram a dead facehugger in it. He explains that the original creature was designed by the engineers, but it was too hostile for him to work with so he had to euthanize them. He states it was the pinnacle of their genetic prowess or some such, and makes it clear he created his own strain/version by hybridizing it with the pathogen and resulting creatures from the planetary infection (and Shaw's parts, but that's not something found until later). This makes the protomorph's accelerated growth rate and more matured chestburster form make much more sense when it's spelled out that he basically hybridized a traditional xeno with the neos being produced on Planet 4. The hybridization did on some levels improve the xeno's reproductive efficiency though it produced a more organic creature (similar to the neomorphs) as a trade-off. It also makes the mindless aggression of the protomorph make more sense as well imo, as the neomorphs were shown to be ridiculously and straight-fowardly aggressive compared to a traditional xenomorph's stalking behaviors. I personally felt like this one small difference in the book made a huge difference for me accepting and enjoying the story for Covenant though unfortunately, the movie is canon and the book isn't :-(
Eggs sacks that release spores? Or spore sacks?
Bit like balls
The "black goo" turns into those spore things over time. Here's the deal. Those particular Engineers were going to dump the black goo somewhere on earth. Probably it's most populous city at night without anybody noticing right away.
Those people would start to mutate over time. Becoming mutated killing machines themselves, or impregnating others later which would end up with the giant face huggers ripping out of them which impregnate others with the "Deacon" which is the original form of the xenomorph, and those would go on a killing spree. After everybody in the city is dead...the goo turns to spores. Anybody going on to investigate the area gets impregnated by the spores leading to the birth of neomorphs and they go on a killing spree , and of course.....those leaving the city would either spread it to others via sex, or become a monster themselves. It is quite an insideous weapon. For all we know they can cough it up and someone else could suck it in.
It was an all purpose population removing mechanism.
A+ video editing
Thanks. Good vid.
I'm still confused because the xenomorphs from Covenant seem more advanced than the one from Alien.
deathsdoor07 bad writing
But they aren't, the xenomorphs in covenant lack their biomechanical features, are more agressive and slightly less inteligent. The xeno in the ship went to kill almost everyone very rapidly while the one in the nostromo took its time. That's also why that alien bursted from Oram in such a short time lapse. It was indeed a lesser creature that required less time to develop.
Along with the technology and the android.
O'Bannon wrote Alien.
Cameron messed it up.
Scott has no idea what he's doing.
@@verikan4241 the one is the nostromo was hive building. Hence taking its time.
Also xenomorphs seem to have some from of 'hive mind', so the morph born from Oram, it would be aware their were other 'morphs so it could afford to be more aggressive.
Oram could have had some genetic fault, would explain the variation. But Scott is to lazy to even make that a plot twist.
@@verikan4241 Then you also have to explain why David is vastly superior android to Ash from Alien.
The xenomorphs had to have been engineered prior to David, he just found out how to recreate them, otherwise how did the Yautja hunt them down in the AVP film
Kinzoku indeed, and from what i can remember, they are slightly different between the alien series and the avp movies
Kinzoku I don't think AVP is Canon in the alien universe or the predator universe it's just out there by itself
Joshua Morman then why was there a xenomorph skull in predator 2?
Jonny Hamilton I think that that was actually a joke by one of the movie set designers but the fans liked it so much that they made a movie
Never mind I was wrong I think they also did it because an AVP comic was coming out at the time but I don't think that there were plans of a shared universe when they added the Easter egg
Amazing
I found the answers to every Aliens question I ever had in AVP.
I wonder for how long an android like David can stay "alive" without being programmed or updated
I think the problem is not in the programming but in power systems. Self-correcting code, backups and such can make system pretty tough and long lasting. But everything uses energy and it needs to be replaced. And unless it's something very, very hitech, it always wears out. It could take time but every electronic/mechanic thing wears out eventually.
Also David’s mind was shown to have deteriorated, with him misquoting poetry, showing that at the very least his memory systems were decaying after 10 years in isolation
Theoretically indefinitely, with qualifiers. His programming will eventually degrade and break down as he cannot update or dump data which will "clog up" his systems, and a reboot might fail as a result of system failure as he degrades without regular maintenance over time. This will manifest over time as "glitches, such as David's failure of memory regarding the poetry. It also manifests with David's decaying mental health, as he becomes more and more demented as his degrading systems fail. An example: he is shown to care for Elizabeth Shaw pre-"Covenant", but we all know her ghastly fate at some point during the intervening decade. Her expertise with Xenoform archaeology would have been very useful in understanding the Engineers themselves, their tech and even the Black Goo, quite possibly. Yet she ends up as part of David's research? His mind is going. His power systems are likely capable of lasting longer than he is, since it's likely a miniaturised reactor of some sort powers him. He will break down completely, in time, but as advanced as the tech used to create him is? He'd last for decades, I believe, he'd just become more and more of a decaying wreck.
One thing to remember, though, is Walter, the Updated version of David. David wrecked Walters Operating System and physically tore a key system out of him to destroy him, yet Walter's body repaired the damage and rebooted him, physically restoring the damaged systems. With self-repair systems that effective, Walter is essentially immortal.
As long as he is not hooked up to the web, he should be fine and not need to update his OS to Windows 10.
Funny how david notes "The original engineers"
I love your videos, the background music and the alien theme, survival, mystery, the cosmos...What is the background music ?
It has always seemed to me that the face huggers were perfectly adapted to fit around a human sized head with the impregnation appendage (whatever it is called) aimed right at the host's mouth. I know the same could be said of other hosts besides humans, but certainly not all hosts would fit so well. I think a good question would be: Did the face hugger phase naturally evolve to fit human hosts so well by coincidence or were they designed for such hosts? David could have designed them specifically for human hosts or perhaps for Engineer hosts which basically resemble very large humans.