Ryan Tedder's Proven Formula For Writing GREAT Lyrics
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00:00 Intro
00:29 How To Find a Concept
06:12 Turning Gibberish into Lyrics
08:17 Chorus Lyrics
14:32 The Idea
16:07 Recording the Chorus
18:18 Refining The Lyrics - Hudba
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12:33 This moment is probably the daily reality for 99% of producers 😂
🤣
thats what I was thinking! felt candid
Exactly. And that’s the moment where 99% of us leave the studio hahahha 😅
there should be a Netflix special dedicated to all the clips of people casually namedropping celebs that they have on speed dial
Truuue
LMAO Ryan basically says, "I don't know where it comes from, i'm just awesome." Hence me getting a full refund for this course on "How to write Jason Mraz songs". Horrible.
Five minutes in, best lyric writing advice I've ever heard.
Amazing, glad to help!
7:29 girls like you - maroon 5 ? hmmm in every hit there is another hit
meh its really just two thirds.. also the song ended up not having this melody anyways so ;/
@@alemobra5747 What song did this end up being? Because I want to hear how similar the final sounds to Train's "Hey Soul Sister".
Pachelbel's cannon. Basically the most ripped off melody of all time.
You're an amazing artist Ryan. Thank you for your contribution to the music industry
I did this course and highly recommend it.
Thank you glad you enjoyed it!
Hey, I have a question is there any vocal lessons in this course?
@@abbysettle461 Chris Leipe's CZcams channel has lots of free actual lessons. Also New York Vocal Coaching channel is free and great.
Also, when you are expanding your range with exercises (like 2 note slides), where you gradually go up in pitch, keep your mouth closed and make an "ng" sound through your nose. I think this helped me because it makes you not push too much air as your experiment with how to go up and hit high notes you couldn't hit before. It's like you want to push less air instead of more to go higher, to find how to hit the note.... then you can fill it out from there by adding the air/compression to make it sound like a good full note when you are actually singing.
Sing along with all your favorite songs ALL THE TIME to practice your pitch. Your voice is an instrument you ALWAYS have with you!
Practice makes perfect.
Did anyone notice that this song sounds A LOT like Train's "Hey Soul Sister"?
@@abbysettle461 doesn't look like it. The link to the course is in the video description, seems like a songwriting course that goes into production a little bit
@@abbysettle461are you serious about singing??
Great video! Loved seeing this process
It's interesting how as a songwriter I got into this pattern of structuring my songs, writing the most dumb and catchy chorus and writing what I felt like would become a hit song or song that would please people, and I did right some bangers songs (from what people that came to see my shows told me), but in the end I completely lost sight of who I was. And felt like after that I was sticked with one genre and that I needed on keeping writing the same kind of songs to keep this facade.
Now I listen to people like kacey musgraves or listen to what bruce sprinsteen and great other legends have to say about songwriting tips on youtube and it really helps me bringing back my essence.
Music shouldn't be about wishing that other people are gonna like your songs. it isn't called art for nothing.
Fascinating to see his brain at work
Thank you Ryan for your music!
I’d pitch this one to Train.
100%.
Oh yeah that would be a great fit, already has a similar cadence to hey soul sister
Thanks so much for this fantastic tutorial! Many thanks Ryan!!! 👊
Ryan's a treasure w/ his notes so this is bliss!
Ryan is so dope! This is inspiring!
This is my favorite videos EVER for songwriting. I feel like I'm in the studio with my engineer (Florian Ammon - Pink, Quincy Jones, Rammstein). What's striking to me is that this song has a REGGAE feel (emphasis on the 2 and the 4 via guitar up stroke) on a pop or country song! Ha, ha! Love it! And I'm sitting here saying "Yes" and "No" and mumbling a possible lyric like I'm editing with you. :D lol How you work and observing your instincts validates my own decisions and instincts I make in the studio - I just hear what needs to be done or what could be better or what doesn't work - so thank you. I GET you. It's been a blast, Ryan. :) Would LUV to see more of this type of songwriting session video.
There are a lot of great thoughts here and it's really cool to watch your process and explanation.
Great thanks for watching!
Thanks for allowing us to see inside the process of such a great mind. I usually start my songs with a concept or title, then lyrics, then music to match it. I'm going to try again to come up with music 1st, then a Lyric. Variety is the spice of life.
Here after cowboy carter release!!! Queen B and MC killing it!!!
Ryan WE LOVE YOU
Get em!! I'm guilty of piecing things together, they make sense to me but may not read the best.
So helpful thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Genius
This studio sesh is pure gold! Getting a walkthrough of this genius’s workflow it’s priceless. Highly recommend taking his course for any songwriter, producer and artist. I’ve taken it, and it’s really a game changer.
Thank you!
Fantastic ✨
Thank you! Cheers!
youuuuuuuu are amaSing!!!
gold.
Ryan is the reason I keep pushing. Why I won't quit. Every time I see his process it feels like he's daring me to be better, love this dude
As I watch even more closely we literally have the same headphones and Mic so yea, gauntlets off lol
MAD TASTY
Ayyyyy RYAN 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 such a great songwriter 💝 I stayed up writing a song the other night I just finished editing the video. I have a similar writing style to the beat. It's easier to sing it and follow your own voice. I love this video!!!!! Writing without a beat is actually easier. We can write a song with words start to finish in less than 10 minutes. It's funny how writing to a beat "challenges" us a little bit.
So true...when writing to a beat, there's no freedom
the algorithm really gets me
Thanks for another great video. Always great content and a huge help. I see your poly D or Moog in the background and was considering selling mine bc I really want a Juno X and feel like it could do the same and a lot more. Can you talk me out of it if that’s a mistake? Thanks!!
He's got a Juno 106 on the wall too haha. I'd get the Juno X if I didn't have a 106
What’s the vocal chain ? Just CLA vocals? Or is he running analog gear
Wow! How could one not subscribe after watching a video like this? I use a similar technique but this was insightful. Thank you :)
Glad it was and thanks for the sub!
9:47 You actually gave me an idea to write a song about pandemic. Thanks 😂
Ryan Tedder! Did you ever end up recording that song "For the love in her eyes" ?
I believe some of the chorus goes:
"I want to know what makes the world go round
I want to hear her voice for the sound"
Would be helpful to see keyboard shortcuts on the screen while he’s working
This highlights the writing process wonderfully. From the other side looking in as a vocalist, it's very singable too. I'm certainly no Biebs or Kane Brown, but dammit I want to sing it now! 😂
A song doesn’t have to be a "story". A song can be anything, only the imagination sets the limits. 😎
True but a story is what the masses relate to, and he's targeting the big markets. His formulas have a good track record.
@@SuperDerezzed It depends on the genre. Think of all the disco and pop hits (for the big market) that millions of people (the masses) have danced, sung and related to over the years, that have no "story" at all. What is needed is something catchy, simple, original, easy to sing along to, easy to remember that easily sticks in your head.
”Come on, vogue (vogue)
Let your body move to the music (move to the music)
Hey, hey, hey
Come on, vogue (vogue)
Let your body go with the flow (go with the flow)
You know you can do it”. 😎
@@Fred_Free And what do the verses say? More nonsense, or Madonna singing about how you can escape your hard life by dancing, then how your creativity and humanity helps you dance and makes it freeing and wonderful. And on the dancefloor everyone is beautiful and iconic, like Vogue models. Then the bridge takes the vogue thing literally, while encouraging the listener to feel like those icons and dance like they're a star. It's basically "your life sucks, you feel like a nobody, dancing is an escape and makes you feel better. Here's why, AND how"
@@dxfifa It wasn't about exactly what Madonna sings. It was just one example among many, about the content of the texts not needing a story. Madonna's song Vouge was a US Billboard Hot 100 #1 and #1 in 20 countries.
This song sounds A LOT like Train's "Hey Soul Sister".
No, that song sounds a lot like this one
i wonder what's his settings on the CLA Vocals 🔥
I wondered that too. That vocal chain is crisp as hell
Anyone know what mic and DAW he is using?
The DAW is pro Tools and mic Neumann U 87
Who's this song by?
I want that mic 🤑 U87 baby
This sounds very similar to Hey, Soul Sister by Train.
I generated tons of lyrics with AI, but in the end came to the point where I wrote the entire verses and chorus all by myself 😅 AI lyrics are kinda fun, but lacking some energy, the human touch will always be the best! Started watching tutorials on how to write great lyrics. Did couple good lyrics in past few days. Thanks for great tutorials, Ryan. U are awesome😊
Ryan Peddler... Making another Song.
So much overthinking …. Ryan Tedder you’re overthinking it!
he should definitely listen to you! if he's lucky he would write as many hits as you have sir
@@yearlyoatmeal 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Thank you for this! Hilarity at its finest!
damn what a job. I'm exhausted for him lol
Sounds like the song by Train....
making a christian song is so calculated and i love it lmaoo 🤣🔥
It's "Hey Soul Sister", but good tutorial.
Hey soul sister is all I heard!
I wanna know where this song ends up
Is it just me, or does this melody sound like a blend of "Girls Like You", "Hey, Soul Sister" and "I'm Yours"?
25:13 is very telling, new generation knows better / don't want McDonalds music anymore
I respect a professional opinion and i agree on a technical level but Personally i believe as a writer you need to find your own philosophy for writing lyrics based on what your trying to achieve and who you're trying to resonate with but importantly who you are as a person i mean if you struggle at being social you probably shouldn't write a song about being the main person at the party because you can't make a song about something you don't feel you'll just sound non genuine and it's generally easier to write about something you've actually experienced in your personal life
The song can be technically perfect but people generally know when someone is lying to them the only difference is that a song has melody and people don't like being lied to they'll know the song doesn't really have a issue but they'll feel like something is off about it because it isn't being performed in a convincing and natural way
Edit: music is about sharing a feeling the words are just there to help you picture it
For eg you can write
I haven't changed
All those years that you had faith
All those days you thought I'll stay, Everytime, I made mistakes
You'd, think I'd know
And you still here to watch me go
Sad I'm leaving you alone
For context it's about a man who is reminiscing on his death bed about how even though he's marriage with his wife wasn't perfect he's grateful knowing that even though he was a fool she really loved him through everything
But the point is i was implying it in the writing but i also gave the listener a sense of time the weight on the wife to always make the decision to stay or go and the foolishness of the man without having to explicitly say what was happening
This is studios page not Ryan’s. He’s not reading these comments lol😂. And this course isn’t new.
@@RandomVelocity I knew that it wasn't Ryan's page I wasn't trying to appeal to him I was just giving a different perspective from the do this and that and it's good undertone I got from the video but they are trying to sell a course so I can't blame them but it isn't that simple even though they're good pointers
@@jmattheweon_phoenix9328 yeah I watched this preview. Sounds a lot like a train song for starters. I’m doing the Louis Bell course right now it more of a producers course. I did a drawn to the sky one. He writes a complete song in his course and it I think only 99 bucks it’s good.
Funny I’ve replied to yo twice and it was deleted. Like this comment probably will be. That’s pretty shady
Nobody here is saying this is what you have to do. He is a master of modern Pop writing. He is teaching those of whom his formula. No shape or form at any point was saying you have to do this.
It’s good, but it sounds like two or three other songs I’ve heard before… like almost exactly… I’ll take Tom Waits
whose going to tell him
This chorus was made for adam levine
why did he write a bad version of "i'm yours"?
Maybe it was "sub-conscience".
@@deltavistastudio124yeah, regurgitated😆
Naaah, it was "God"
Did he say subconscience? I went back and he said subconscious. My bad
He said both.
Agree if you are selling your songs or make country. But honestly I have no idea what most lyrics are about for the rock bands I like most who write their own songs
The risk of this approach is ending up with a chain of cliches like this
Hire... An Editor?
If I was in the room with @ryantedder I'd probably change the "I know there's a God 'cause he brought me to you" line to "She led me to you"
Because if an almighty creator exists, it most certainly needs genitalia to procreate? Probably not, ya? He, she…both are redundant, no?
too much of a good thing in a song is too much
So Sorry... to Apologize.
not bad but those melody choices for the lyrics are overused sorry to be sincere..perhaps I'm getting old and would like to hear some level 42 kinda songs
Bro. Why are you leaking his content? Robbing these artists of their $$$ 🤡
Its not leaking/robbing if they are the academy,,,its promotion,, cause the cause is longer,,,more hours of great content,,,this is just the tiny bit😅
Are you serious? These artists are worth millions and millions of dollars. What kind of dork denies his peers creative knowledge. Who gives a shit. You sound like Lars from Metallica.
SOUNDS LIKE “SOMEWHERE OVER THE RAINBOW” … Songwriters need to learn to BE MORE CREATIVE !!
There’s only 7 notes in a scale. There will always be overlap with existing melodies when resolving a tune. Especially when most melodies revolve around the pentatonic scale of only 5 notes.
Granted we can change keys, but the average listener doesn’t enjoy that sound.
I suggest you just realize there’s more to art than “it’s never been done before”
@@EtymTV it’s the whole tune and the chord progression- not just the resolution. The entire thing is a “Somewhere Over the Rainbow” vibe
@@activemusickid a “vibe” is called a genre, a bpm, a chord progression. That doesn’t mean any copying happened. There are limited choices.
I’m not disagreeing that it’s not reminiscent of the tune, but in no way shape or form does your judgement of an art make sense.
- the off beat rhythm of the guitar is one of the main reasons people are saying it’s so familiar. “I’m yours” like (Jason Mraz). But there’s not ANOTHER way to do this type of rhythm… so what do you want?
- the chord progression is your typical pop progression that everyone uses.. but this doesn’t mean there was no creative expression through other means.
Dude hears an island sounding chord progression on a guitar and says it’s somewhere over the rainbow lol.
What... Be an Amish People?
Billie eilish songs have the best lyrics
Mk
i fam fan of his writing but i find this whole idea so boring
I TOTALLY DISAGREE with him that lyrics have to be “interesting.” Just take a look at, “happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear ___, happy birthday to you.” Oh…. So interesting !!!! YEAH… ok.
you're right, happy birthday is such a great pop record
What
@@KYYYTISZAI happy birthday is such a smash dude, always top 10 on the radio charts since like 1932, they play it non stop in clubs and gyms. the lyrics are really uninteresting which is why it's such a big song. unfortunately Ryan Tedder writes his lyrics to cleverly so he's never had any hit songs.
Unfortunatelly, It may be frustrating, but you’ve just made a contemporary christian song by including the phrases “god” and “saved by you”. It will be inevitably perceived like that, because the phrase “saved by you” will be associated with god’s saving you and not some girlfriend, and if you try to pitch this song to anybody, they will ask you, “Are you in some sect or what?”