Apparently... "Anime is Objectively Terrible Now"
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2024
- The current environment of anime has definitely changed in the last 5 years. We can potentially say Demon Slayer is the reason for major shifts in these changes. Still is Anime Objectively Terrible Now
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I'm so old I remember the days when "objectively" meant objectively. Now pardon me, I have a cloud to yell at.
I'll join you in cloud yelling, it's a good stress reliever-
And "literally" used to refer to something that is literal
Nowadays it feels more like a way to justify an opinion
@@Alorso_you’re onto something there
@@alfanscholz8663 People who misuse literally drive me figuratively insane.
It's not helpful to call every modern anime trash of course, but I agree with many of the industry people who've stated that anime is spreading itself way too thin. Quantity over quality is the name of the game now.
Exactly! There is so much anime now. While we still get a lot of great shows we get way more bad ones which in return can ruin companies quality.
Isn't that true for every form of media out there though. I mean we are also getting more TV shows and cartoon compared to years ago. It's not a problem exclusive to anime only.
@@matts5164Yeah and so many people forget that. As the days goes by companies tend to get greedy and not care about employees. Great things don't just appear suddenly , it's meticulously crafted first
And the thing is that these higher-ups dont' realize that most of their consumers aren't prompted to check their low quality products, anyways.
You’re not wrong but we have objectively better anime now than we did back in the 80s/90s, even if you withhold animation as a deciding factor. True there’s too much mid coming out every season but thanks to the sheer volume out now there are some shows that just come out of nowhere to become some of the best ever.
As a 90s kid, I can’t relate. Anime has come a LONG way.
maybe in terms of popularity, but a lot of old anime still holds up
Artstyle is subjective but actual quality can be seen in stuff like how often stuff is on model, the detail in the designs and backgrounds, effects have gotten better but there's far more still frames nowadays for stuff so they can save budget for bigger scenes while a lot of older anime had more character animation in even little scenes
Since the 60s maybe, but the quality now is similar to the quality in the 80s.
@@sdbzfan1 I find myself able rewatch older anime much more easily then newer ones and even my children enjoy older ones better as well, they don't have bias or nostalgia I have.
I think it depends on preference. I won’t deny that anime has come a long way, and there have been many quality shows in recent years, but I can’t help but love the old art style anime used to have (sharp edges, bleaker colors, etc.)
@@thomasffrench3639i don’t what anime u were watching in the 80s
I do miss the old animation style that was used.
Muh hyperrealistic Saber Marionette J
Agree : (((
I refuse to watch remakes of classics. I rather just watch originals. Remakes always seems to not understand what made original so great and why people loved them.
@@aj.j5833eh, people loved Spice and Wolf for the story and characters and they're doing that just fine. The animation was never its big selling point
@@Ash_Wen-li Animation and art direction helped sell the story and characters. When done right like music in shows, people don't notice it because it doing it job properly. They are supporting elements and help sell the story and characters. In new one animation is fighting the story and character. Also Holo doesn't even look like a wolf she looks like a Shiba Inu in the new one.
We need more like old madhouse anime art style.
Minus the strobe lights that show up during the sakuga bits.
yes
U won’t get that unless $$ and time
Holy shit I love that studio so much,I really can't imagine if they want to remake Megaman NT warrior in that animation
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I think it’s just become mainstream and people want it to fit everyone’s niche. People forget it’s a gateway and entertainment I’m all for the stories regardless if it’s a simple quest or in depth look at ones self it’s a gate way away from the every day bs.
Anime shouldn’t have gone so mainstream now all the western companies will milk it.
Anime has been always underground and keeps it as it is, even they are mainstream now, just look the viberant doujin and manga light novel scene in japan they have been always strong and keep pushing further and always innovating, grassroots is always the right word
Also there are always studios who bring some anime to the spotlight even some b tier ones that are still good you have to find it
Oh so we are already forgetting Frieren, Vinland saga, and AOT now? THIS WAS JUST LAST YEAR! LAST FREAKING YEAR!
Bro I don't get this notion that anime is getting "worse" like what!?
By sheer amount of anime that release per season...3 4 shows being good and 19 being mid is not a good sign.
It's really not getting worse. We have gotten more anime shows with mediocre production value/writing than people think anime is going downhill.
@@aritrasaha441That is a matter of opinion people have different tastes and that influences their opinion.
Primary example a large audience are overjoyed that there are new seasons of Konosuba, Mahouka and Mushoku Tensei I personally couldn't care less those three shows I just couldn't really get as invested in them as other people but I love Misfit of demon king academy.
We also had Apothecary Diaries, A Sign of Affection, My Happy Marriage, Grimm Variations, Shangri-La Frontier, Undead Unluck, so many good to great shows
@@aritrasaha441 How so? This is pretty normal. There's no medium where most stuff released is good and anime never was exception from that. People just remember only the good stuff. Spice and Wolf released in winter 2008/2009 season. Aside from it there were like two more good new shows released in that season and handful of good continued ones. Vast majority of released in that season were crap or mid.
The art styles are just not too unique and detailed like they were
unique sure (debatable actually)
detailed??? nah
@@makimasupremacy9945 You definitely don't know anything about art and animation lmfao.
@@makimasupremacy9945 ya, their definitely just as much detail if not way more now than back then.
@lucienolongerhuman8298
I disagree to a point, i think there is just so much more anime that the very unique ones get passed by. If anything there is just as many unique ones as back then its just harder to find or they don't get the spot light because the 10000th isekai just came out lol.
No there is a considerable downgrade cause it’s all about consumption more than ever now. Peoples portions are all over the place like it’s really apparent in some anime.. like quality control was cut out to make it for deadlines
The animation is a lot more fluid, but that ends up eating up the details. Older anime have some beautiful static shots, but lack the movement, opting for a large amount of panning the scenary and a lot more limited animation.
That makes a contrast about mood vs action.
Also the colour palette is different because now everything is digital, that's why everything looks so much brighter than when things were hand painted.
I think this is the best take I've seen on the subject. Mood vs. action. I think that we've recenly (last 5 years) some amazingly animated action scenes that look better than almost everyhting from the 2000-2010 era. But on the other hand, the mood that old anime had (think 80s ciberpunk), I don't think has been matched.
the original spice and wolf was also also digital. The 2024 spice and wolf looks plastic like, kinda fake. The reason for this is that everything is done in 3d with a 2d layering. In 2008 it was just pure 2d digital animation. What the difference is between 2008 and 2024 is that 1080p was just starting out and we had jsut normal HD resolution of 720p. Also in 2024 HDR /4k lighting and the number of lumens on a screen are taken into account for video production. All colors are much more vibrant now in general. THE HDR technology and over saturation of colors with the advent of 2k and 4k has well...kinda changed the way we see colors. Also another reason for color shift palette to brighter colors was when Toei animation switched directors for One Piece Inpel Down arc. Toei is a studio that kinda likes to advertise for younger audiences. As anime becomes more and more "kid friendly" the color palettes become brighter. That's another thing if you notice. Brighter animation palettes also exist in shows for younger audiences. when anime tries to reach a "wider audience" the color palettes become brighter.
@@Haiyami I've done a few animations for college projects, but I've never got much into it.
Great insight.
But I was talking more about the palette used in 90's anime, it tends to be more muted because it has to be coloured using ink. It's done in CMYK instead of digital RGB
@@kamikaze5528 You are absolutely correct. Food for thought CMYK is more for printing. And RGB as a color palette that been around since the 1938 used in televisions. It was used in in computers in the 1970s as well. If you are talking about a color palettes from analogue to digital that would be the YPbPr which seperated gama frequencies and colors into two separate channels. This eventually lead to the digital standard of YCBCR. Interesting fact is RGB colors palette is definitely used for video usage. I remember in graphic design if I had to export something i did digitally on screen or was viewing on screen for print, I had to convert the color palette to CMYK. This was back in 2008 and still persists today in some cases. Similar when doing color matching for the screen. If you take something printed to be in a video, it had to have the CYMK colors converted to their RGB color tone equivalent. The Introduction of YPbPr HD during the analogue days and YCBCR for when television moved to full digital, completely changed the way color palettes are viewed on a screen. All in all it's very muddy. It's one of the large headaches I've noticed in color palette conversion as every digital monitor is different in gamma frequency, brightness and lumens settings while back in the day, most CRT tvs and monitors had the same setting. So color conversion was much easier. Sorry for the history lesson. I really geek out when I talk about this kind of stuff.
@@kamikaze5528and older anime still did more hue shifting which modern anime has basically abandoned for some reason.
I don't see this in most media, where old stuff gets filtered to the best of the best. As the industry grows, there are more bad shows by sheer volume and vice versa. I believe the overall ratio of good and bad shows hasn't actually shifted that much, just the number of both good and bad shows.
It’s weird because it is hard to produce a greater number of great shows when talent is spread thin.
Today we have like 200+ animes each year. In the 90s the number was not even 50.
But back then you have the best animes ever. Monster, Cowboy Bebop, Akira.
No we no longer have classics but we have a lot of good anime.
@@Javier-rm6ql they're classics because they're old
@@Javier-rm6ql"We no longer have classics"
Well that gets decided in the future. Not now. But it's harder for things to be regarded as classics because of sheer volume.
I'm sure AoT, Demonslayer and JJK will be regarded as classics in 15 years (regardless of how you may feel about them)
@@Javier-rm6ql idk i think we have quite a few recent anime that can rival the classics in quality
Behind the scenes anime is a mess, on tv anime is amazing
Most have much more vibrant hues in the foreground, less focus on background designs/depth, and in this case with the remake of Spice and Wolf and even last year with Ruroni Kenshin more often character's designs are 'cutesy'.
As an animator who works in anime , can definitely say anime is getting better in terms of technology. It's just people's nostalgia of the paints and traditional cels (which have downsides in preserving them). Ofc the colors can be replicated today but takes more time. As an industry anime of old are bad due to labor issues and its financial structure but anime of today is worse because it cranks up the older problems up to 9000. If you put the anime of old that are produced carefully vs the ones produced carefully today , there's an advancement to it that the only verdict is your preference. It's a major problem today that every corporation around the world are getting greedy and don't care about employees.
Eventually all industries destroy themselves for greed guarantees cheaper manufacturing of product at a higher markup until it collapses
Just becuase things look different doesn’t mean it’s worse. Animators back then worked hard on those series and animators nowadays work just as hard.
This is an argument that has been raging since the inception of anime. Ten years ago, people were complaining about how bad anime had gotten back then. The first major complaints I can remember were from like 20 years ago about how there was too much moeblob anime, now people love them, go figure. Sure, I wish there were more gritty anime like Claymore or Monster, but I still enjoy quite a lot of what is airing today.
This is indeed true. However as far as art and animation goes, I will argue that the 2000s was the weakest period, at least after the 70s.
@@thomasffrench3639 What part of the 2000s exactly? Or you mean where the giant eye syndrome got to it's peak and characters looked like aliens?
@@NoahToledo-xo5pj I mean most anime from 2000-2009 looked really dull
@@thomasffrench3639I agree. Personally it's my least favourite era in anime in terms of art style. A lot of anime looked kinda awkward too due to the transition to digital
And none of the people making the argument actually watch anything, ever.
OG Holo was a Wolf, new one looks like a Shiba Inu
Indeed : (((
That is exactly what I thought as well.
@@aj.j5833Both are colored like a fox and don't look like anywhere near to a wolf to me even in the OG with the ear fluffs you mostly see that long eared foxes or desert types
@@pauloazuela8488 In original she least look like American Red Wolves or Coyote, that look like smaller wolves but red.
"Anime were a lot better before".... Looking back at stuff like Ninja Ressurection and Puppet Princess...
And that's just the very tippy tippy tip of the iceberg LOL
In teams of quality and quantity anime is way better now..
Just this season we have shows banger show like tensura, kaiju no 8, windbreaker mha and more
Counting last three anime will be overkill even you compare it with likes of Hollywood.
I think the issue is that anime has become way too mainstream and therefore streamlined. It has lost it's edge. We are spoonfed the same cookie-cutter bs over and over again just with a different packaging. At the same time with an increasing amout of inspiration to draw from it has gotten much easier to make a good show. At the end of the day it evens out on paper but it feels like anime has lost it's soul.
Who gives a fuck if old or new is better, just watch whatever you like
Kinda sad that most of the people that complain that anime now suck are: Nostalgic fans, people that only watch anime on Tik Tok or anime fans that only watch 3-4 anime per year.
It does suck, to add finding anitubers who are more laid back and not a possible anti or tourist is a factor.
Yup. I'm watching more anime now than I did 10-15 years ago.
That’s not true tho. Use ur eyes objectively.. u will start to notice portions, faces, etc are not consistent like old anime. It feels like they are being rushed and there is no final quality control. Not all anime but a lot u can see now. Don’t look at style etc.. just look at porprotions, number of middle frames, etc.. I’ll see it.
This feels normal I remember people complaining about 2010s anime were 00s or 90s anime fans
To a guy who told me that anime now all sucks, I replied that 5 to 10 if not more episodes of different anime come out every day, does he watch them all to say that they suck? He never answered me again.
Another thing I want to point out is a lot of modern animes suffer from lifted gamma which causes the "washed out" look. I would love to see more animes optimize for HDR. Pluto recently was in HDR on netflix and it looked amazing on my TV.
Everything else Chibi Reviews pointed out in the rest of the video, is on the mark. But this topic can definitely be expanded on in the form of a 1 hour video or via a podcast. Somebody make a podcast on this pronto!!
Been watching anime since the 80's, and it's come a long way. Today, I think it comes down to the studio and ip holders that will keep the content per canon.
That is a fitting view.
I have watched anime most of my life but mainly since late 90s/early 2000s to now with breaks.
Have dabbled into 90s and earlier anime, need to expand the list.
I definitely prefer the old artstyle of Spice and Wolf tbh. I wouldn't say that it's objectively better but it suits my tastes a lot more. The new characters look shiny and generic. As an OG fan I was a bit disappointed when I saw how the art would look for the remake. I just hope that they actually animate the entire story this time.
I never watched Spice and Wolf. I just watched a comparison of both transformation scenes. Here's my unbiased opinion: The new one's animation was much better. It's insane to say it isn't, BUT I do like the old design for the wolf better. It was much more intimidating. Also the scene of the girl screaming and the camera zooming in on her and going to black was really good. I think the direction was better in the old version for that scene. All that being said, one scene from an anime doesn't reflect the anime as a whole and it definitely doesn't reflect all of anime. If you want another example of an old anime getting an amazing reboot watch Urusei Yatsura. The animations, artwork, designs, and everything is just all improved in every aspect it's amazing. I'm only recommending this because I haven't watched Spice and Wolf so I can't critique there outside of the one scene I just watched. I have the reboot on my to watch list though. That's all. Thanks for reading!
I completely agree with you, I love the old version and I'm loving the new adaptation too, I have been comparing the episodes old and new with a friend, and as you said in this episode I think the old one did a better job with the shots and direction of the chase scene but in terms of animation is ridiculous to think the old one is better, in the new one they can make subtle movements that the old one couldn't (like Lawrence rubbing Holo's back when she gets hangover, in the old one he just puts his hand in her shoulder because they couldn't animate that kind of details) and that helps a lot in this type of story were a lot of the scenes are just the two of them talking, they also made very small changes to some of the dialogue that helps scenes have more tension and being less info dump and feel more natural for the characters talking even if the original didn't have a lot of those moments because it had good dialogue too. Both the old and the new one have things I like. I like the new version of the wolf form better, but I agree that the old one is scarier
@@ana24cit funny that i agree with you to a certain point. Animation now is a bit more beautiful. But at the same time older Animation for me had a lot of me letting my imagination running wild. I didn't even realize he only put his hand on her when to me i pictured him rubbing her back. Evem before i read the source. Same with the censorship of one piece by 4Kids. I never saw someone pointing a finger or throwing a lollipop. In my child mind. In my imagination. I saw a gun because Pirates, i saw a cigarette because a lot of people I knew at the time smoked. I don't remember the censored stuff. And i didn't have the internet to bootleg shows. So when i saw old anime. My imagination added so much. And to me Lawrence always rubbed Holos back. I didn't realize he never did there.
@@JoseLopez-gi9sf Wow that's an interesting way of seeing things, it sounds great, like I said I love the old one, I saw it 11 years ago and I read the novels 6 years ago, when I first saw it I wasn't particularly looking at those types of details to be honest but I love animation and even if I don't have a job as an animator I studied animation so it's something that I notice , I think you're imagination is awesome but in the way I see it is that I think the animators of the original would have liked to animate more details but they didn't have the time and the money to do it, and now the new show have this opportunity, technology advanced and I think they have more money for the project, something that a lot of people confuse a lot or put in the same categories is style , one thing is style and the other is the animation, it happens also with lighting and direction. They say things like I don't like the animation, but they talk about the style the old one had a particular style from early 2000s and a lot of people prefer that style, I like it too and that is completely subjective and everyone is free to like the style of their choosing but I like this new style too, the only thing that I don't like about this new style and this goes for modern anime in general is that it all looks so polished and clean and it doesn't seem natural. I know that a lot of people say all anime now looks the same and in a sense they are kind of right, but it is because it is the style of the present day a lot of early 2000sanime shared a common style too and it is okay it is normal that this kind of things happens. Another thing that the style and times change the story is the tone, for example the scene with Holo joking with Lawrence about the "beard" and she makes a sign to signify whiskers, in the old one they show with pointed lines the whiskers and it gives a much more cartoonish type humor, if you see the new version is still funny because Holo is making fun of him but it is in a more realistic way and she uses her hands to make the whiskers, the old type of humor was more of it's time, and I'm waiting to see how are they going to adapt other types of scenes that uses that type of humor especially in Holo's tsundere moments. I'm sorry this is so long jaja XD
I did not know why Lawrence was afraid of Holo's wolf form because I have only ever seen the new series, and Holo's wolf form is adorable. She looks like a big, adorable doggo. However, her wolf form from the previous series is bad@$$ and it is now understandable why he would be afraid.
Because in that time wolves were an actual threat and he's had to run for his life and see friends torn apart by wolves. So it's not surprising seeing a giant one would make him scared
you see a big fluffy bear and you think its adorable?
@@SirEggNog From a distance? Yeah. From the other side of a television screen? Yup. I am not dumb enough to enter their territory, but yeah, bears are cute. Most furry wildlife is adorable. People keep cats. Cats are psychopathic predatory murderers. They eat their babies if they think they will not survive. The only reason they do not kill their humans is because their humans provide them food and entertainment; and it is great to have a slave clean up your poop. They bite our hands; they scratch our faces; they barf in the most inconvenient places almost constantly; they attack us for no reason if we pass by them when they happen to be in a particularly sour mood. Before he died, mine had a tendency to slash at, not just my, but everyone in the house's Achilles tendon, guests included. And despite all that, we still keep cats as pets because we think they are cute.
remember that lawrence is just a merchant who has experienced wolf attacks before and seen people die from them. He isn't saitama who just one punches anything troublesome, of course he would be scared of a massive wolf, tbh I would probably be spooked too but it's a hard situation to imagine yourself in, having a girl turn into a mega wolf in front of you lol
Some of these remakes artistically do look less in some visual directions. With Spice and Wolf as a comparison example, many still images of the original do look better in my view compared to the new. Be it subtle differences or say when Holo true form comparison. Mind, I would give some fluidity points to the newer version.
Sometimes, the old anime limitations benefit in my view for the artist and writers to work in a more constrained environment to make the most out of the scenes. Spice and Wolf Remake isn't terrible, in my opinion, and it is nowhere near the worss recent remake. It is serviceable to me and I have the original on Blu-ray so im not highly opinionated either way.
id argue some of the panels look better in the new one. this is coming from someone thats never seen either versions of the shows. and ive only seen the few clips and images here
the new one shows better understanding of focus. the older one seems to put equal detail everywhere which makes scenes have more information than needed
basically what im trying to say is, shot composition is much better in the new one
Art has improved a lot, and things look better/sharper/prettier. However, sometimes the vision that they have for a scene is just boring. Plus, it's hard for a remake since they have high expectations. But what matters the most is the feeling you get from watching the scene. With comparing the original and its remake, the feeling has to be the same or better somehow.
@@sinew1000 "I respect the taste of people who have the same tastes as me"
@@sinew1000Character models are off a lot in the older version. I do prefer the art design and backgrounds there but the animation is better in the new one
@@sinew1000 That's like saying One Piece's art style has gotten worse as it went on.
Not just anime, everything has gotten worse
As for the two art choices of spice and wolf, I don't know if one represents the original light novel better than the other or it's only a matter of preference/interpretation. But I don't think I'm seeing a general tendency in anime where the art style is unnaturally changed, poorly done or something like that (though occasionally there may be such examples). Thinking about Dragon Ball from 40 years ago, you know, how they used to stretch one manga panel into a 30 minute episode or two, add filler arcs etc, I'd think recent anime are typically more faithful to the original work.
People should realize.. if anime is really fluid, gorgeous it means the economy was doing well. The more ‘lazy” inconsistent it looks.. we’re in bad times. (ceot the bigger studios) but I watched some anime’s from 2012 and it’s so smooth.. the shading, frames no wonky.. and the 90s holy smokes some of it looks like rotoscope
Animation standards back then leans more to complement Nuanced animatation and focus to a more character focus details but has more of a hard time capturing intense fighting action due to the technology at that time.
Meanwhile todays standards compliments more of the sakuga type of animation and basically hyper focused on that and built a structure that foregoed the lowkey animation detail stuff with the exeption of anime movie production like Shinkai, Ghibli etc. still keeping all those.
personally it's like when high school DXD got a new studio to animate season 4 they're used to seeing the original animation that anything after that either looks "bad" or "trash"
I don't think so, it's just that there's way more anime being produced nowadays then back then, so there's less attention to each single anime (unless it's some big hit i.e. jujitsu kaisen, demon slayer, aot) so nowdays there are still gems even when upholding it to new higher standards.
It also means that there are way more low quality animes now than back then
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You'll never see a harsher anime critic than someone comparing their nostalgic favourite to a new adaptation. Sure some observations are valid, but many others are preference and many are just flat out wrong and completely fuelled by rose tinted glasses
I do find it interesting how in this specific instance fans of the older Spice and Wolf never point out for example that the character models are off quite often compared to the newer one.
No.
Agreed
No it’s getting better ofc there’s gonna be bad anime coming out but movies are worst rn especially marvel movies
@@stillkountinAbigail and Civil War were pretty good tho
I can't believe the one guy who commented on this video saying anime is more like American cartoons now lmao.
@@ChibiReviews I'm with ya two as anime will always be amazing and exciting. Anime will aways get back up on its feet and improve. Anime is immortal and will always keep on showing how incredible its new series are no matter what not even Disney could stop it from being amazing.
It’s definitely not objectively better, that’s for sure. A lot of directing has changed which can make people prefer older styles. I honestly think that a lot of anime has become a lot more bland looking as shown with remakes like Ruroni Kenshin. Also I would say the highest highs was anime films of the 1980s and 1990s are the highest highs of anime. However I also don’t think it’s objectively worse either, just different.
I do think that the original spice and wolf nailed its tone a lot better than the current one
In the 90s and 2000s only the best and most popular anime came to the west. Now we get everything, so you have to seperate the trash from the gems.
The problem a lot of anime has these days is that they lack atmosphere. Everything feels plain and sterile. The biggest example you can easily point to is the og Hunter x Hunter vs the 2011 remake.
Not wrong.
True
Atmosphere? Madoka Magica is a good example of audiovisual atmosphere done right
@@Kyouma.
And Madoka is an anime original that structured itself on older magical girl stories with a focus on increasing the spectacle and subverting it.
It's like comparing its quality amd circumstances to Edgerunners, it's an outlier.
I wouldn't say that anime became terrible, but now because it is too much mainstream, the feeling of it bring a novelty has been lost. Like, when we watch anime for the first time, it is a new experience, breath of fresh air, so rare to the point that when it offered a meams of escapism from the real world, you just want to dive on in! Nowadays, we're getting too much of the stuff and some not in good quality. Our tastes in anime evolve over time that we have become very selfish on what we expect the "perfect anime" to be. The audience evolved with the animation side of things but it feels like we're asking too much from the people that makes this stuff happen. We've become spoiled and rotten in watching anime and it's becoming a problem in when we get involved in anything Japan pop culture related- Music, anime, manga, LNs, the works
I think that a very personal thing as opposed to anime and anime culture itself. Also hate to be nitpicking, but Japanese pop culture is more than just anime and it’s adjacent mediums.
@@thomasffrench3639 Yeah, I agree with you there on that. I only mentioned a couple of the specifics
@@thomasffrench3639 Agree. If people ask younger folks who are still at school, a lot of them will find this to be the best era for anime.
@@matts5164 Well yeah, because it's the only stuff they watch.
In my opinion, the old spice and wolf transformation when they show the beast is more scary and intimidating. I don't hate the new one but the new one kinda looks more like a dog than a wolf
Good POINT
Anime did not get worse. People who say so only think that because when they think of older anime, the only things they remember are masterpieces like Death Note. There were tons of mediocre/bad anime back then too, people just don't remember them.
I tend to prefer old animation style, same with spice and wolf, I prefer the old version aesthetically
At the end of the day, whether a piece of media is bad or not is usually subjective. For example, some people like SAO, others don’t.
Then I guess Berserk 2016 and Ex-Arm are Masterpiece
I KNOW THE PROBLEM ITS THE FLING BLOOOOM EFFECTS
EVERY ANIME HAS THAT ANNOYING BLOOM EFFECT THAT MAKES IT LIGHTER AND EVERYONE LOOKS LIKE SHINNING
I still feel bad for the Author/Creator of the EX-ARM Manga with how Terrible the Anime Adaptation was...
I haven't seen the original, and I do enjoy the remake, but even then I didn't see Holo's wolf form as menacing. I was wondering what was it that terrified Lawrence in episode 1. And I was a bit disappointed to see a big fluffy doggo. It doesn't make me want to stay away and cower in fear. It makes me want to give it a cuddle.
They are two different art styles, so I'm not going to compare them. The only thing I have a problem with is the Giant Shiba in the room. If my reaction is "AWWW" in THAT moment, followed by "I want to pet and hug that fluffy fur. How dare you pull a sword on my good girl" the animators screwed up. I should be thinking "You guy's done messed up. You start running now, just like your hounds advised a while ago." She should look like a Wise Wolf, not a Wise Shiba.
I don't know man im just trying to enjoy my time. Ive heard this argument forever and it will always continue, like if you like the old stuff then go enjoy it no one's stopping you.
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Are they laying the groundwork for Disney's "making anime acceptable"?
its a different style, i can see some things i like better about both, - we were even talking about this when comparing season 1 and season 2 of nagatoro, 2 studios, right after the other, and its very different.
The saying "Limitations breed creativity" shows again and again how utterly true it is.
Anime has gotten better
That it has, now its a matter of when not if there will be a downward trend.
I have seen on one anime sight calling one anime slop, unsure how much anime of today is deemed as Slop. Next to how people view anime of the past is the best.
It is not nostalgic, I have only seen the new SaW anime, and when I see the comparison, I can definitely see a difference in how the scenes are presented. Now that I have seen the comparison, I might actually drop the new SaW to go see the original one.
And then you'll have to jump back in for when they adapt the cut light novel for the last quarter of the season
The original cut a whole arc and changed some stuff around so you'll end up coming back to the new one anyways, besides it's not all that bad, my only real issue is the fact that they made holos wolf form so floofy but that's not really much of a big problem since the old one made her looks more like a raccoon crossed with a Disney style fox lol
As a guy who has watched the sub and dub of the first verison, It is a good idea to watch it. Then time continue with the new one, based on how its falling the light novel. Up to you in the end fallow.
Now as for the light novel I started it later and have to time when to get volume 7 to 16, before the spring logs.
Best regards and enjoyment of the 2000s Spice and Wolf along with the rest of 2024 and beyond.
Same. I don’t have nostalgia.. when I first watched horimiya, aopedal o thought those came out this year.. not 10 years ago.. then I watched new shoujo and the porprotions are insane and inconstient.. faces are pretty one frame hedious the next.
There has been a huge dip u don’t need nostalgia.. and it has to do with the main audience is no longer, Japanese.. but western.. short deadlines, small budgets, a lot of outsourcing and no quality control.
in terms of production budgets, Anime has become larger and has more funding BUT in terms of creativity of being unique, the thing that separates anime and makes it great, Anime has become worse, from the cookie cutter seasonal 12 episode anime, the increasing censorship. creativity, what matters the most in anime, it's all going downhill.
That's not What it is meant to be. The deadlines are harsher these days, The amount of animes produced are so high for anime studios, and the Training System is flawed, plus there's not as much freelancers as The industry needs to (cause all use freelancers). Nowdays it's very hard for a Show to Finish just one cour without going into production issues
I wonder if this helps but there was this comment where Tomino [Creator of Gundam Franchise] said basically that CG made people lazy and so on. Plus the fact he mentioned stuff many animators might be angry but point taken he has a point regarding such things. In recent Anime has Taken a New leap to the CG aspect and he did say it and made total sense. I have encountered some CG mixed with a semi realistic Idea of in a sense Drawing in Anime and some of them are just ok to be fair. I have seen the best examples and we are at a point Anime can dip in Quality. Not saying all will follow suit however it is now real more than anyone expects. To even point out for a Period the Same Studio Tomino made had Some releases which fans didn't like and only in recent some of their projects got better again. I did notice this drop of quality at around 2021-22 but it's so subtle because it was still ok but for that time it was already many good but decent stuff. Only in recent the quality might be 50% of those failed but it depends again on whose perspectives. I hope this sort of helps as to what I think is happening. But the Spice and Wolf thing nah its fine enough.
it's kinda like resident evil II, there's certain aspects of the old one despite being more limited that were better than the new one. there's certain aspects i can see in the animation in the older that shows holo seem more... frightening as she transforms. more dangerous. she looks a lot cuter and safe in the new one.
Holo Transformed looks like a big Shiba Inu.... which is a bit comedic.... not like a wolf but like a fluffy big doggo...
I thing the average quality went up. The desire for specific aspects has caused sakuga action to be amazing. but, now subtlety and genre based directing differences died off. Also, anime may have been slow paced in the past, but that helped you to appreciation what you were being shown. Now we have people watching Frieren at 2x speed 🥶.
Side note: get off your phone. I am so much more happy when I don't touch it for a day or 2. You will learn to like it too, its an unhealthy addiction. Take in the world how it was made to be enjoyed. I'm not even saying to go outside, although thats also a life changer for many, just find things to do organically. Maybe paint something. The more uncomfortable you are to this change the greater the impact on your wellbeing this will be. Also sleep, at good time maybe even as early as 5pm if thats how you're feeling it. If you wake up too early that great you now can rest more take a bath or whatever hobby etc. I say watch stars leave and the sun rise, if the clouds are out listen to little sounds of nature. Love you, take care
I think using Spice and Wolf for this is wrong. To justify it's existence it needs to visualize every scene at least a bit differently, even if it might not be the best way to do it. Same thing happened with Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood (which mind you, was out around the same time as original Spice and Wolf) which was a huge downrage untill it reached parts that weren't covered by original anime. That said, anime style just naturally changes and some people have problems with it. People were complaining about it 10 and 20 years ago too. On the opposite end we have new Bartender though, which also is more brightly lit (which is modern style), but it generally tends to have more details in the shots than original from 2006
Hi Chibi, I haven't seen Spice And Wolf, but I think the both of artstyle looks beautiful. But I think the original look better...Chibi, Can you do a video on your thought on anime adaption from western media (like Will Wight and TMNT) are the good ideas or not?
Also, I will say just look at the shot compositions and the new ones are very stale.. compared to the older one in this example. So it could also be who is being hired to direct.
Takeo Takahashi was the director for the original anime, and he returned to be chief director on the new adaptation.
If we're talking about it as a medium, Anime was always "low brow," mass entertainment. If you approach it believing it's high art, you are going to be disappointed.
If we are talking about the actual quality of the animation, then right now it is pretty damn good. Apart from the occasional bad CG, we're back to the 80s in terms of quality. Hopefully crunch and burnout don't end this mini golden age.
When it comes to animation side of things yes art style back in the 2000s and 90s had a huge attention to detail compared to the morden day animation.
We did not need a remake of spice and wolf. the animation of the original was fine.
It was incomplete with cut content. Unfortunately a remake was the only way to continue the series
I do agree that the tone of the older version better conveys the fear Holo inspires in her wolf form both in the color, lighting, and framing.
Laurence's intense fear from seeing her transform is better communicated because we, the audience, feel that same dread because the visuals frame her as this terrifying Demigod of fang and claw.
Obviously I prefer that the story is more in line with the novels, but I do agree that the new version doesn't inspire dread so much as "ohh fluffy tail!"
Also correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't she tear those guys apart in the novel?
was spice and wolf pencil and paper when it first came out vs on the computer animation style?
Computer animation
All digitally _colored_ 2D anime is initially drawn on paper.
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I will say that they DO have a point as far as the artistry. Shows like Seraph and the art styles therein seemed to just be better and of course there was never any 3d that I can recall.
I think something to consider is that in the past, most of us watched anime via VHS/DVD/Bluray. It was a common practice to touch up the animation a bit for the DVD which in turn improved the overall quality compared to the aired version. Now a days with streaming, the studios don't have that option.
Not all anime were darker in the past. The style and color matched the stories and characters better. You had some with really bright art style as well back in day like Slayer, Non Non Biyori, Aria, Ramen Fighter Miki, Goldfish Warnings... as well. The problem is they are tone deaf these days every anime visual style is just bright, regardless of theme, characters, events in anime at the moment, feelings. Back in day art style helped support and thus sell the story and characters. Now the art styles are fighting the story and characters for attention. They also have way to many very cringy try hard moments in them as well, such as Holo dancing in cart after just escaping.
100% It's all generic BS now
As a creative fellow who draws and paint, there is definitely a drop in some shows when it artistic flair. At the same time some animes like demon slayer are visually stunning.
Some of the older animes mixed watercolor backgrounds with animation, thus things felt really cool. Nowadays they mix 3d software with 2d, infact a lot of the 2d stuff is actually 3d. Every time they can use it, they will.
The more detailed the still images, the fewer frames of motion you get. This is just how the allocation of resources works. The point of anime is for the objects on screen to be ANIMATED. The makers of the Egg Head Arc in Once Piece understand this.
If we are talking about anime as a whole...it has surely dropped not only in quality but in stories and uniqueness. Anime as become so wide spread that most studios don't put much focus/effort on being creative with their animation...Animation is art and the animators are artist, back around early 2000s most anime were unique in art style and techniques that gave off a breath of fresh air and beauty. Now most anime either have low quality similar to one another with no uniqueness to be found and animes that pop off also falls in the same category with just being flashy and not testing out a different art style...this is mostly done bcz the companies want money or bcz they try to stay loyal to the manga art style but I remember the days when it was up to the animators to decide how to adapt something and make it better through art styles that had nothing to do with the manga. The times where artist tested a lot of creative art style to sell a scene better than just copying what the manga artist drew...the mangaka is not the only artist, animators should not be artisans but rather artist!
The stories are also plain and simple...nothing wrong with that but animation used to elevate that espact by taking something simple and putting it in an art style that elevates the story through symbolism and references (easter eggs).
They should be bold and just try different animation techniques and not just stick to the same formula...animators should regain the freedom to animate their visions in the story they are adapting through their art style.
It's not "objectively" gotten worse, but I can say the people talking about anime as a whole have gotten worse with so many new tourists and antis.
It gotten worse all the way down
Art & cg wise it has gotten better, i prefer Madhouse vibrance or Shaft perspectives. But I'd say its worse from perspective choice & portraying through scenes. I get why teh later is not used much cuz people dont pay attention to ut and view anime as just storytelling medium which it is but it's also art & cinematography/choreography (or whatever you'd wanna call it). I love the scenes where when a character is feeling sad they dont just make it desaturated & rainy but also show liminal space while within their own room
I think old spice and wolf looked old even for the time and that was its selling point. It felt like you were there with them in medieval times. Now its got moe power
Like you said it's an hard question.
One point I would want to talk, it's how we get nowadays 50+ animes each season. So the barrier for a manga/novel getting an anime is lower. And because of that we get really lots of bad animes cheaply made.
Older anime were picked to have success. They were really betting everything on each anime. They should be perfect for adults to pick them.
We still have some anime trying to look like early 00s and 90s anime, but they aren't the same
It’s not really possible to have an objective opinion.
Hearing people complain about quality of anime today vs let’s say 10-15 years really just sounds like how people complain about music and probably should be taken with a grain of salt.
Imo there’s too much coming out, so you get the quantity v quality issue at times.
Also we get a ton of one season shows with only 12 episodes. So the stories that we get often just feel disjointed/lacking.
sorry chibi san ! the topic about referring the shift of quality to Demon slayer .. lil bet unfair ! talking about animation and colors ! did forget how the color was on attack on titan back on 2013 ! what about the amazing animation that One punch has
What I would say is the best of the best we have today is definitely better than before, but the average quality is not, there are just too many mediocre productions today. This is not just for anime I feel like lots of Hollywood movies from 10 years ago look better than now.
I do think that to a certain extent, most modern anime except for the few heavy hitters, don't get creative as much as they did in the past when it comes to visuals and animation. And I don't think we can necessarily blame the animators for this, since we already know what conditions most of them work in, but also deadlines and time constraints due to the sheer amount of anime being released every year must be putting pressure on them. Like back in 2008 there weren't 50 anime being released per season, when currently it could even exceed that. Animators back then probably had more time to give much more thought to their projects and get more creative with their visual storytelling compared to now.
I would say sort of yes because we’re slowly moving away from canonizing doujin plots. Creators of the past often took inspiration from doujin to enhance a series.
I would argue that anime has gotten better at action on average while it has gotten worse at story. Sometimes it feels like they are uninterested in the story they will often skip character development to get directly to the action. If they have to do any story or character development they half ass it. You see it in Tsukimichi season 2 the whole first core was all story but they did such a poor job of showing Makoto's thoughts and character development that it was almost pointless.
You may have hit the nail on the head there.
The audience for anime has shifted as well. Now everything that isn't constant action is 'boring', even when they are building side characters and setting up future arc
@@rya1701 Like I said it's the Tiktok crowd that has zero attention span. The tiktok crowd is the demographic that consumes short term content. I hate it. I really do.
@@rya1701 idk if it is just them the manga editors are the same way if the series doesn't grab you by the throat and don't let go then it gets cancelled
When it comes to style itself I can find something I like about any era. The earlier style that was usually either realistic or cute and simple, still had a lot of western influences but was distinctly unique. The 90's style that will always remain the greatest. The over the top, cute, sexy, all out style of the 2000's. The super cute digital style that came after that.
But the overall production quality is just getting worse. Undeniably. And it's not a big suprise considering both the shortcuts you can take with modern technology and state of the Japanese economy in general. But in the long run it will just ruin the industry, they need to course correct and remember what makes them great in the first place.
which anime?
While is normal for the medium to change with years I feel like this is doomer nonsense. Compare the drop off in quality Anime has had in some cases to the massive drop off western media had. We get animes like Frieren at least once a season and sometimes multiples per season meanwhile the only good western game that isn't a mediocre movie in disguise that I could think off is Helldivers and that one almost fucking died and don't even get me started with movies and TV shows.
Thats because this is Kadokawa. I will never forget how they mentioned how they will release an anime of their property per season. Its like a nijisanji shotgun approach.
Also its worse now because the animators are expected to work hard for a meagre pay so they work hard enough to not get fired over.
I’m not a massive anime watcher, I’m more of a manga reader, I can only watch 3-5 new episodes per day. But I do only watch anime, I haven’t watched a movie or TV show in over 3 years. Anime is always on here, but it’s mostly anime that I’ve already watched, I have it on while I read so I don’t get distracted by something new.
But some of the older anime is amazing, like my favourite anime ever Evangelion, I haven’t seen either Spice & Wolf yet, although the new one is on my to watch list.
If you look at all anime ever made, the best looking anime has definitely been made more in the past 20 years. While there are definitely a lot of great older anime that looks amazing to this day. There was a lot of crappy and cheap looking anime made before 2000 as well. And let's just leave out movies because movies have always had the greatest animation in any Era. I'm just talking about TV anime. People really only remember the best anime from the past with the biggest following. There's way more anime in the past that's been completely forgotten about then the few that are still remembered. And while you have some older anime with incredible animation, there's far more that just looked cheap because they ran weekly for years. And yeah, there's a ton of horrible anime made today. There's probably only 2 or 3 really good shows each season. Maybe as many as 5 worth watching that have really good animation to match great stories. But that's still a lot of good anime. And it's a shame that so many anime are made that are clearly not being made by people who care about the product. Usually for good reasons. Like most isekai, ecchi and harem shows are completely garbage. You only get a decent one occasionally. They could absolutely not waste time making anime of the majority of these trashy light novels. The end product is a waste of time and money most of the time. Those animators could be working on more carefully selected projects that the entire staff could actually take some pride in. You can absolutely tell the difference between an anime that was made with passion and one that no one working on it cares about.
Oh I wish I can see anime with gunplay like Jin Roh but we can’t have nice things.
anime doesnt feel like anime anymore at times. now there are still some anime that do feel like anime but it kinda depends. theres too many anime getting released every season every year nowadays. i used to really love light novel adaptations over a decade ago whenever a light novel adaptation got an anime adaptation i would be so hyped because they were usually pretty good nowadays when i see a lightnovel anime adaptation i ask myself is this gonna be good or shit?
anime focuses too much on realism nowadays rather than surrealism in a way its kind of like becoming too much of a reflection of the real world i guess like what happened to some of the most bizzare and crazy scenarios in anime along with characters that were really unique loveable and super wierd but in a good way. also the classic character archetypes such as the tsundere?
of course i really enjoy manga adaptations or other kinds of adaptations or originals but it just depends. the quality of anime overall has fallen over the years of course there are some really hit anime that will be remembered for years to come but theres a ton of anime that just arent that good or really are kinda trash. early 2010s had consistently great anime and even the lesser known anime were still overall better story wise or production wise on top of that censorship wasnt as rampant as it is now but i have noticed ecchi anime somewhat making a comeback nature is slowly healing but id say its a wait and see if things can somewhat go back to normal later on in the decade also rest in peace anime fanservice games when it comes to gaming things are also fucked up. anime getting censored or localizers purposefully making butchered translations also add fuel to the fire.
Animation itself as in the technique has difinitely gotten better
but....
i think alot of the freedom that it had before to try different things and tell stories that are more niche
isnt around which makes it feel worse in certain areas
I can’t say much for Spice and Wolf since I’ve never watched it, but anime as a whole has gotten a lot better compared to a decade ago. Most of my favorite anime have all been released in the past 5 years or so. The stories, voice acting, and art have all gotten better. Biggest issues I think about when it comes to modern anime is the industry itself. I actually really wanted to be an animator as a kid, and am still a hobbyist artist today, but seeing how these animators get treated by their studios has really turned me off from the profession. They’re simply underpaid and overworked by a lot of studios.
Oh boy, I can now have the same arguments I've had on 4chan for the last 15 years on twitter