The Golden Ratio of Nymphing | Making the Most of the Tight Line Advantage
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One rod length over and two rod lengths up. That’s the Golden Ratio. That’s the baseline, and it’s where trust in our drift begins. There are surely moments and situations that call for something different. But a good tight line style starts here, within the Golden Ratio of nymphing.
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I’m glad someone made a video of this liking. I’ve always explained the grid system to my clients when guiding, essentially breaking down the river to a grid system laying out a vision of graph paper for the river and adding the second and third dimension as the angler and the moving water, it always helps people understand the visualization of fly fishing.
Cool comment. That's interesting to me, because when I've heard people talk about a grid system, I always heard it as how they covered water -- as a method to be sure to cover everything. I said in an earlier video that I'm not a grid guy. And in that way, I'm not, but I guess in the way you describe, I am! Cheers.
This is fantastic. Easy, simple, sensible
Kinda is, right?
The drone footage is so helpful. Great job as always!
Cool. Good to know that. Cheers
Wow what a video! This explains so much! I listen to all your podcasts while working but for me it really takes a video to fully understand it. I was trying to fish way to far away from me! I had nearly my whole mono rig out of the rod, I couldn't cast it either! That's why I went back to my euro line. I really feel stupid that I didn't understand it from all the podcasts that I've listened to. Thanks so much for sharing
Ah, glad to hear this helped you out. It always comes back to these basics. The Golden Ratio is your baseline. Have fun out there.
I felt the same way and felt defeated last time I went i thought i had something figured out and I stunk the Stream up
Great video Dom and team. My daily catch count has increased in direct proportion to which I have put your recommendations into consistent practice. The Troutbitten recommendations just work and I am having more fun!
Love hearing that. Cheers.
The way you break it all down and explain everything from why the advantages the dis-advantages is amazing, from the podcast, to the website and videos. I just want to thank you!!! Fishing buddy and I are always trying to really dig in and some say we are thinking to much but that to me is the part of fly fishing that is really engaging. so again Thank you !!!!!! I look forward to the podcast and videos
HEY NOW! Love it. Thanks man
Killer video guys! That overhead visual really helped.
Ah nice. Good to hear
Great video! the added visuals and drone really helped! On the water today thinking about this stuff and this brought it all together. Love what you guys are putting out there with the videos and the podcast. Thanks!
Ah, that's neat. Thanks. Good to hear it. Have fun out there.
Thank you for all the valuable information you provide to the community. Just recently started making the switch from indicator to tight lining, found your article about the mono rig and the rest is history. Going to be binging your how to/tips videos now.
Good stuff. And for a really deadly rig, sometimes put the indy below your sighter, especially a Dorsey Yarn Indicator. Love it.
@@Troutbitten I’ll have to give that a try, currently using your amnesia alternative, suffix neon fire, and stren hi vis gold for my sighter. The stren gets hard to see in certain conditions so the yarn should definitely help! The neon fire is super visible to me, great recommendation.
@@SouthMend Cheers. Also try the Backing Barrel on your sighter. Can't beat the visibility or sensitivity.
troutbitten.com/2021/10/08/the-backing-barrel-might-be-the-best-sighter-ever/
@@Troutbitten Great read and analysis on the additional weight the barrel adds. I think I would prefer this to the yarn indicator. I’ll slap one on before my next outing. Tight lines!
@@SouthMend Right on. There's next to no weight from the barrel.
Brilliant advice. I’m starting to get it now….thanks again 👏👍
Nice
Discovered in the 20th to 16th century BC, over 1000 years before Pythagoras, who I suspect, was a fly fisherman.😂
Absolutely.
i listen to you guys the podcasts i mean. I have just started fly fishing and this video is amazing thank you so much. Youre giving up info that most people who have fished (not fly fishing.) really really understand ty so much mate :)
Cheers
This is awesome! I’ve been making the 45 degree angle mistake a lot! I can’t wait to get out and put this technique into action. Thanks Dom!
Glad to hear it.
Another amazing video. Your team is putting out the best instructional content hands down.
Hey now! Thank you. Much credit to Josh Darling of Wilds Media. And to the fish . . .
Cheers.
Awesome video. I’m glad that you made a video like this. I kind of do the same thing and explain it a little different to my clients but this will be my go to from now on. One other thing i always tell my clients is, if you let the flies drift by you, you might not get a great hook set, you may even be pulling your fly right out of that trouts mouth.
That's fair
Awesome video. Thank you so much for everything you do for us with your articals, podcasts and videos. I find this latest video answers lots of questions I didnt know I had. One more question to add to my previous question, when fishing the golden ratio, how close do you think you can get to the fish without spooking them. I kind of think that being within 10 feet of a fish might spook it.
Cheers. That's all really, really conditional. But if you approach from behind a trout in fast water, and stay low, they have no idea you are there. There are MANY other conditions though, so if you check out the spooky trout archives on the Troubitten website, I promise you'll find a lot of good information there.
troutbitten.com/category/spooky-trout/
Greatest video I’ve been looking for thanks you for making my fishing a lot more enjoyable and catch more fish thank you for sharing big like from me tight lines and catch you on the next video 🤝🇮🇪
Cheers. Thanks.
Great info as usual. Keep em coming!
Thanks very much for your support.
Thanks this video and helpful content Dom …makes a lot of sense …thanks for sharing
Right on.
Thanks, this will really help my game
Glad for that. Cheers.
Awesome video Dom! Very useful information! I like how that red mono sticks out for filming!
Thanks. And I agree it helps. Honestly, I was looking at the background afterward, and I realized the green line would have worked better. Usually red is more visible on camera, but that day I think it should have been green.
Thanks well explained...definitely makes sense ...fish hard 👊
Cheers and thank you.
Great video thank you
Cheers
Another fantastic video. Easy to understand, beautifully shot and informative. Thank you boys.
CHEERS. We appreciate that.
After watching this, I feel like the ape at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey learning to use the bone as a tool. Secrets of the universe have been revealed. Profound stuff!
Plus one. You win the best comment award. Cheers
Great video- and the overhead shots were really helpful. For a humanities major, Dom, you are a regular engineer! Somewhere your old trig teacher must be smiling.
Ha. There ya go.
Awesome video Dom! I’m just starting to get into the euro scene and this video was a great help!
Very good. Glad to hear that. Lots more on the Troutbitten website for you about all that. Podcasts too. Email me if you need links. Cheers.
Very much enjoyed this video. Fundamentals.
For sure.
Another great tutorial.... I learned some more about this technique..... I want to thank you your camera guy....we sometimes forget who is working the camera and getting some great background footage. Cheers...........
Cheers
That's a great lesson, thanks 🙏🏞️
Cheers
Perfect timing on this video gonna go give euro nymphing a shot this weekend for the first time
Have fun out there.
Really, really excellent explanation!!!
Thanks. It took me a while. Was kind of a long video. Ha.
Hey Troutbitten. Very good topic and info, thanks for sharing it with us. Also, you have as many, ‘One more times’ as you must have, ‘One more casts’! Keep them coming.
It was not my finest day filming. . . . One more time . . .
@@Troutbitten hey, it’s always worth a couple laughs when you can get them, thanks
Awesome video and nice pounder! This is still the slow time of year, but you know what’s on the not so distant horizon. 🎣
WHISKEYS
@@Troutbitten Maybe even a namer, but I’ll take a whiskey any day!
Oh yeah
Great video. I am anxious to try this on the river.
Right on. Do it.
Great video, I know the youth team coaches preach this over and over
Right on. Doesn't matter who, what or where. This Golden Ratio doesn't change. I think that's the cool thing. And when I choose to go outside of it, I do it intentionally, knowing the consequences.
I’ve been on the fence about getting Skwala backeddy waders, this sealed the deal for me. Ordering now👍🏼
Nice.
Dang, it looks the 10% code isn’t valid for waders.
No worries, the fly shop by me sells Skwala. I was only going to buy online if it somehow benefited Troutbitten.
I just checked with Skwala. The code is definitely valid for waders. It is for anything on their site. Respectfully, you may have entered the code wrong.
This is a great illustration. Why the golden ratio exists needs to be more emphasized. It was mentioned at the beginning as the way to keep the fly in the lane. But it may need to be heard over and over again. Many anglers think microleaders are distant tightlining tools. But if you go more than one rod length on your side, the geometry dictates that you are swinging not tracking. It is okay to swing the fly but if you are going to swing it, there are better methods of doing it than in-the-air tightlining. If you will do 45 to 45, get a regular line with a sink tip and swing any point in your 60ft radius.
Tightlining achieves close proximity deep contact that is not possible any other way with a fly rod.
Regardless of the leader build, any tight line tracks to the rod tip, no matter how much we try to keep the tension off it. I do find anglers using micro mono rigs that don't see this, but it's true. Every fisherman from every discipline must deal with it. Line tracks to the rod tip, even if it's the thinnest line possible.
I wouldn't call that effect swinging. We'd most often call it a cross lead. But once it gets past the angler and the tension is coming from upstream, then that tension converts to a swing.
Cheers.
@@Troutbitten If an object tied taut to a point and if there is any lateral force, it has to start a circular motion. It is swinging.
@@self-taught_angler That's cool. But for fishing, we don't call it a swing until the tension is against the current. Doesn't matter what it's called, really, until the terms come up in conversation and get confusing. Here's an article about the difference, as I see it.
troutbitten.com/2018/08/05/night-fishing-for-trout-5-drifting-and-swinging-flies/
And here's a podcast about the same thing:
troutbitten.com/2023/09/03/podcast-night-fishing-for-trout-swinging-and-drifting-s8-ep3/
Cheers.
@@Troutbitten I am agreeing with you. I understand that there exists a difference between the fishing nomenclature and the daily usage. (most likely initially they were the same and the fishing one changed) Irrelevant to that difference in the nomenclature, the circular motion is there. You illustrate this in your clip when you show with a yellow circle on the water how the fly is coming towards you.
@@self-taught_angler Fish on!
I envy you the extremely wadeable water to get close. Much of mine is more challenging in the winter or by tradition not waded. Regardless, this highlighted the fact that I should be casting closer. Thanks for directly addressing my wondering about the amount of “lane drift” I have experienced because of trying to fish too far across the river.
Right on. I also fish some pretty damn big water. And when I do, I find myself casting outside of that Golden Ratio because I can't wade everything. On my better days, I rein myself in and fish only what I can wade to and fish well, or I choose an indicator system (usually the Dorsey Yarn Indy) and fish outside of that Golden Ratio idea.
Cheers.
Gold!
Hey now
I felt like something was missing in the first half and realized Dom went topless (no vest). Good stuff as usual.
Dando is the one you'd want to see topless. Looks like Rambo. Or maybe not. Depends on what you're into . . .
@@Troutbittenhey now..I’ve heard he’s an Olympic medalist.
@@Troutbitten sell some branded calendars with Dando. 29 pullups?! This would outsell the fireman calendars...
Many talents
That's some great outside-the-box thinking.
I have definitely caught fish on the downstream end of my drift. They are hard to hookset on when they bite right on the end but that is a fly first presentation when it gets downstream of your position and can work for spooky fish
Right on. No doubt. The Golden Ratio is a baseline from where deviations begin. It provides the chance for the purest drifts and a chance to use the tight line advantage to it's fullest. And then we fish other angles too, on purpose, for different reasons.
I imagine that you’ve got every European angler saying “Fish Hard” by now! 😂 Great videos, though. Your clear instruction has opened up a new and enjoyable method for me, so thanks - keep ‘em coming! 20:09
Nice. Glad to hear it. Hey now!
Awesome video TB crew! But I gotta say I winced when you threw your rod off-screen hahah!
I had a little leprechaun over there ready to catch it.
😂😂@@Troutbitten
Love it as always! Thanks Dom. But the real questions is...how in the world did you throw your rod onto the bank (11:23) and have it land so perfectly into the tree like that (12:50)?!? You sir are a magician.
Ha. Now how do you know that it landed without getting all tangled up?
Lovin the vids. Hey now!
Hey now.
I always, say, camera person gets part of any fish captured on film :D
Right on
Do you have any tips for fishing with multiple people? When I go fishing I am usually with one to two friends or family members. Do you have an recommendations for the distance between anglers, time between casting, and if you should be breaking up the stream so everyone can fish different seams? Essential how do you make sure people at different skill levels have every possible chance at catching a fish when fishing in a group? I really appreciate all the time and effort you guys put into Trout Bitten. Its a great resource I try to share with everyone I take fishing.
Good stuff. Thanks. After ten years and 1200 articles, I have one for just about everything. Here's the link for "How to Fish With Friends" on Troutbitten.
troutbitten.com/2018/03/25/fifty-fly-fishing-tips-35-how-to-fish-with-friends/
I think that will cover you question. One thing I'll add though, if you are taking beginners that are friends, take turns having them watch you for twenty minutes and then switch. Do that all day. It's the best.
Cheers
Question for you about how you enter the water at the beginning of the video. Is this the normal way to enter the water when you fish rivers or streams? Is entering the river this rambunctiously likely to spook the fish? I am new to tight line nymphing and am wondering how unsplashy we need to be when wading so we dont spook fish. This might be a good video subject for you as well. Thank you for taking time to read my question and I hope you have the time to answer.
Thanks. That's a fair question and a good point. My quick answer is absolutely not. Truth is, I wasn't thinking about catching fish at all there. We were up and down that stretch of water trying to stay out of the sunlight during that shoot (for filming).The water was also dirty, so less caution is necessary. So I think you'll like this resource on Troutbitten. Here's the Spooky Trout archives with a couple podcasts, some articles and videos. This will definitely answer your questions better than I can here.
troutbitten.com/category/spooky-trout/
Thanks Dom.
Thanks guys. That's an awesome video. It really helps seeing what yall talk about in action. What part of your drift would u say you find the most fish? The beginning third, middle or closer to even with where you're standing?
Ah, nice. That's a cool question. I truly can't put my finger on that one. It's REALLY variable per season, per day or even just the piece of water. It matters, mostly, what kind of drift they are eating most. For us, that's usually a dead drift, but even within that, there are three very different kinds of dead drifts on nymphs. You might like this Troutbitten Podcast that is all about that:
troutbitten.com/2024/02/04/podcast-critical-nymphing-concepts-4-three-ways-to-dead-drift-s10-ep4/
Cheers.
@@Troutbitten Thanks again. I'll go back and give that one another listen. I love the podcast.
Tight line fishing is very effective
Right on.
Hey Dom, great tutorial! How often do you spook trout with this? From my experience a lot of central PA trout (especially on some of the big named waters) are accustomed to anglers and let you get pretty close to them. Have you found this approach as successful other places with different fish (perhaps fish who aren’t as accustomed to anglers)? Moreso, have you found that fish act or feed differently if they know youre there? Cheers!
Doesn't matter where you are, trout can't see behind them. I use this Golden Ratio distance everywhere. That said, I don't like nymphing flat water, but even in clear and low stuff, you can get within a rod's reach of trout without them seeing you, if you are working upstream. We do this all the time. Other things will scare trout, but they cannot see you from that angle.
Respectfully, I completely disagree with your assessment of the trout here. If you caught a wild trout in this area, it did not know you were there. They do NOT get used to anglers and just feed anyway. Only chance of that would be if you were on Spruce Creek, which is not a wild situation, with those stocked and fed hatchery fish. (We don't fish there, and I wouldn't recommend it.)
Thanks for your question.
How are you liking the hip pack? How long is your rod again? Are the carbon too lightweight for winter wading? What your favorite model
I use that Fishpond Thunderhead for my camera only. It's a perfect solution for that. I love it. I wouldn't like it much for fishing out of it, but that's just me.
So strange seeing Dom without his 40lb vest 😂 great video as always you guys!
Hey now
Couldn't help but notice that fishpond pack. Is that the legendary THUNDERHEAD?
THUNDERHEAD. Ha. Yes it is. I keep my camera in it. It's the perfect submersible solution for a camera. That was Bill's idea. But you probably already knew that.
I've been euro nymphing about half the time using too much line, wondering why I was getting line sag. Thanks! This would be tougher in bigger water.
Right on! It definitely IS harder in big water. I fall into the trap of fishing too far way too often,. Just because the water is bigger, it kinda lures you into doing the wrong things. But the Golden Ratio principles do not change, and if we want those most from the system, we have to work within it. Honestly, if I choose to fish further away, I add in an indicator. It works wonderfully on big water. Cheers.
@@Troutbitten Fishing Pine Creek in Tioga County, PA this weekend (16 May - 20 May). Putting to use some of your advice. Trying Mono for the first time. Thanks!
It takes a master to simplify so anyone can understand, well done!
Glad you connect. Cheers.
If you could only have one pair of waders, the cargo or back eddy? How
Much lighter more breathable are the carbon? Are the features of the eddys worth the loss of breath ability.
Man, everything is so specialized these days . . .
The Backeddy waders have average breathability, comparable to most waders on the market. They won't make you hot. I never thought much about that for all my years of fishing until recently. The Carbons are nice because of the quick drop down feature, and they are lighter because they lack other things that would make them heavy. Material is a little lighter too. If you were forcing me to pick one, I'd choose the Backeddy, becaue I like a pass through pocket. All the Skwala stuff is top notch.
Look who's got his backeddys on..I got mine too just waiting for the EZ PeeZ version😂
They are slick.
Hey, so I know you're kidding around. But honestly, the reason I don't feel like I need a zipper is because I just do this:
troutbitten.com/2018/12/09/how-to-pee-with-your-waders-on/
You can do the same thing, with the Backeddy. Even those the ends don't fit together, male/female, I disconnect both straps and just hold them in my teeth. Front rolls down, take a leak, reconnect. Don't have to take vest or jacket off for that. Easy peasy . . . wait a second . . .
@@Troutbitten I saw a video review of the Backeddy wader where the reviewer connected the suspender “buckles” to each other by placing one flat on top of the other so the magnetic ends held together.
Ooooo. That's a great idea. Gonna try that tomorrow. Thank YOU!
I just have 1 thing to say…………One more time 😂😂😂😂
One more time.
What reel are you using?
Sage ESN with a standard fly line then a Mono Rig. Cheers
One more time; HEY NOW!
I sucked that day. Just ask Josh.
Great Hutch cameo! Watch yer kneecaps…😆😆
Ha! I love watching him play. One of the best.
Dom- you finally made the switch to a waist pack from the vest? Or is this just for the video?
Hi. No, just my camera is in the Fishpond pack. My vest was over on the bank while filming. Although . . . I've actually been trying out a chest pack lately. Ha. It's true.
@@Troutbitten care to share witch one in particular?
Fishpond Cross Current. I borrowed it from Trevor.
Hey Dom, who made your shirt?
Skwala
i def need to be way more disciplined about this. my technique falls apart after a few hours. but this is a great baseline.
For sure. Same here. And for me, when I'm not catching trout on a nymph my first question is always that. Is everything in one lane.
@@Troutbittengood stuff! thanks!
Cheers
One more time? 😆
One more time.
Thunderhead.
Thunder Cats
But you didn’t catch a fish with the golden ratio
Nope. It doesn't work. ;-)