Milwaukee M18 FUEL 3 in 1 Backpack Vacuum Review
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The Milwaukee 0885-20 (0885-21HD for the kit) 3 in 1 backpack vacuum is a versatile tool great for jobsite cleanup. With 55 CFM and 76" water lift, it offers great performance capabilities with a decent runtime of 25 minutes with a 9Ah battery.
Thanks to Milwaukee for providing a review sample.
On my vacuum cleaner if I close off the flow completely, the power use drops by half. Typically as you close down the flow the speed of the fan/motor increases signaling lower power use. right?
I think you're right. I thought about what's happening some more, and the vacuum is moving less air when flow is cut off. The motor just spins faster due to lower torque and sounds like it's working harder.
The higher the pitch of the motor sound is the tell you got a clog.
@@DoresoomReviews I have a power meter on my home electricity and have verified this on my Sanitaire vacuum cleaner, the highest power draw is with no bag installed, no hose, no restrictions at all. Completely closing off the flow reduces the electrical load to around 2/3 full load and the motor speed surges up.
It's due to having less air resistance as its essentially making a vacuum
One of the best reviews I’ve seen, format wise. Didn’t waste any time and at the end, I had no questions. That’s refreshing - thanks.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. A+ man.
Don’t waste your money.
This is not a well-designed tool and it needs significant improvements before it’s worthy of the price. To be fair, I love two features about it; it’s super quiet and the mechanism for the wand was really nice. That’s where it ends.
My first real test was to clean up the wood shop; there's a lot of saw dust in a wood shop, but that's expected. After about 20 minutes of vacuuming, with 4 inches of saw dust collected in the canister, the power dropped significantly and the motor's flow was significantly reduced. I dumped the canister, but there was still no flow. I pulled out the circular, pleated filter and it was completely jam packed with dust. In other words, this vacuum won't work for trades. It might work for light duty house cleaning, but not serious construction site work.
Here are my gripes:
1- The cyclonic dust separation unit is rudimentary in design and needs to be significantly reworked. On the first 20 minutes of use, saw dust was clogging half the holes in the first size exclusion cylinder and what didn't get stopped there ended up in the pleated paper filter. The pleated white filter was solidly clogged with dust. Take notes from Dyson, their filters see very little dust through really good design in being able to separate the dust from air.
2- The 4' telescopic wand is made of steel. It’s heavy and because the unit didn’t come with a small brush (really?), you’ll want to use the bare end of the pipe which will dent trim and be prone to being dented making it unable to slide on the tip attachments. The black plastic cuffs are too big a diameter for comfortable vacuuming. Why not anodized aluminum which would be lighter and less prone to denting (swinging mass)?
3- The body of the unit is too heavy. Who ever designed it had zero interest it making a beautiful tool and no finesse in finding an optimised design between durability, sustainability and ergonomics. They just used kilos of plastic to ensure durability meaning the device just screams "I don't give a shit about the end user."
4- Why did it not come with a small round brush attachment? I get the battery, but attachments are key.
I love Milwaukee tools mostly, but this tool makes me wish I had bought into the Makita family instead. I'd love my money back, this tool is a huge disappointment.
From the looks, its awesome. Thanks for another great review!
Thanks to miliwalee team for such a quality product... it really help to keep faith in our national brands ... and same request to all youtubers as well when you review of a quality product like this always appreciate the team behind it... miluwakee as a whole but to the team for that specific product.... reason behind bkoz i just bought their smaller size vacuum and its such a great build product .. thank you all who workd hard for this 👏🏽✨🎩
Nice try Milwaukee employee
Excellent review, I've been researching a vacuum to get for work and I think this is going to be the one to get.
Awesome tool! It looks like Milwaukee put a lot of thought into the design. I have a fair amount of experience with backpack vacuums and I can tell you that if you have a large area to clean, they are the best tool for the job. You would have to use one to appreciate it.
Yeah, my first job at 15 was custodial work for my school after classes. I hated dragging around a cord with the backpack vacuum, but it was still way better than a traditional vacuum. If Milwaukee makes an attachment compatible with carpet, this thing will be a home run for that use.
I need one so bad. I’m SICK TO DEATH of the cord on the backpack I use for work!
Who in the hell is the hater that gave thumbs down? I’m going to assume they were drunk and bumped wrong button. Great review man! Actually better that great....EXCELLENT JOB! You just got a subscriber and I will look forward to more detailed reviews like this! I will share this in my groups too......
Thanks, glad I could help!
The suction test was interesting. I think a lot of people don't realize that even though the voltage stays the same the amp hour rating can affect performance on some cordless tools. It took me by surprise the first time I saw that mentioned in one of the manuals.
Do you know which manual it was? I've had requests from viewers before for official Milwaukee documentation stating that higher capacity batteries can output more power.
@@DoresoomReviews I may have remembered incorrectly. It may not have been a manual and I'm not sure if it was for Milwaukee or Ryobi. It was about a year ago. Checked both manuals and didn't see anything. All I keep seeing when I try to recall the first time I saw it was a blog post on Ryobi's new batteries and a video review of the Milwaukee but neither was an official source now that you mention it.
Ok, thanks for checking. Either way, the vacuum test pretty much proves it. :)
@@DoresoomReviews A higher Ah battery may or may not output higher current / power, depending on which cells are used, how many, and how well they're cooled. This is more of an issue for the XC6.0 vs the XC8.0. Going from a CP3.0 to an XC6.0 would perform significantly better, just because there are twice as many of the same spec cells.
I can’t believe they made this. I enjoy the Milwaukee brand. Thanks for video. It helps a lot.
Wow, very thorough review. This was a great watch. Thank you sir
Real good review dude👍🏽 Hopefully you can do reviews more often , dig your channel 🙏🏽
Thanks! I do post to Instagram more frequently, but not as in depth as on CZcams: instagram.com/doresoom/
I just started following you on Instagram dude, check my page out if you get a chance, 👊🏽😎
3 things I gotta say...
1 great review! thank you! I appreciate the camera angles and examples of yourself actually using the tool.
2nd #milwaukee hope y'all took notes if not I did. * make it 3 inch hoses diameters, with variety of accessory nozzles *include both the 9ft and 6ft hoses in the package buyers will use both * add more suck, even if it makes it a lil bigger more suck for more hose and more accessories like the carpet bristle roller, * make it a dry /wet vac AND blower ... -_- yall need to re evaluate the advertisement team cause labeling it a "3 in 1" just makes the buyer think its also a wet vac, calling it 3 in 1 literally makes me think suction for dry/wet and a blower NOW THATS A 3 IN 1! *great potential especially if ya'll make it a wet vac at least. I know I'd buy one for interior car detailing. because lets face it if ya'lls target buyer buyers are just the tool guys working in the construction business they are gonna buy the bigger SUCKIER vacuum that does more than just hang.
3rd My favorite thing about this vacum has to be the design and similarity to Luigis ghost vac from Nintendo's Luigi Mansion video games. I know the design team knows what I'm talking about. I am seriously thinking about buying one and customizing it for Cosplay. but at the same time if that's the main thing I'll use this specific vacuum for it makes me feel that it's just a toy/ just for looks. Hanging vacums aint new. People already know how to modify shop vacs to work while hanging. Back packs are great for mobility but at the same time shop vacs got wheels. So when you get down to it this vacum really just got looks while loosing potential for multi suction and blowing capabilities. not saying it wont sell. just saying im hoping Milwaukee wont turn into the "Apple" of the tool world and create die hard followers who spends nights in line camping out just to buy the "latest in technology" when really its not A+ worth the money. hahaha overall they either gotta redesign or lower the price. today is 3/10/21 and amazon selling it for for $271 usually at $367....if that "sale" isnt proving my point idk what will.
Great review , thanks for talking about the batteries.
Boy I wish this was wet/dry... my world would be complete. 😔
Edit: there’s a lot of comments on here wishing it was wet capable. Honestly, I think it’s the whole Dyson format (design copy) thing that prevents it from being water capable. The seal for the dropout door at the bottom is probably not really water proof. So straight up sucking water might cause it to leak. Right over top the battery as well.
I think a modded version would work. By glueing in a better gasket or o-ring where the trap door latches at the bottom could work. You’d void a warranty of course. But I might try it.
Expensive vacuum but I still want it both to clean as well as do a self-indulgent cosplay
Who ya gonna call?
I finish wood floors for a living. This vacuum would be great for many applications, sadly finish dust would destroy it quickly. Maybe make another version closely resembling the Supercoach hepa vac with a 10 quart hepa bag and filter.
OMG the thing looks amazing. I love Milwaukee tools.
Commercial Janitors everywhere thank you
for this price you should be able to plug it into a wall as well.
With the amount of current this draws, it would need a heavy transformer to use wall power as well. The reason that their lights are hybrid power is because they're lower current draw.
I've read that this thing can get a bit more than 20 minutes on High an HD9.0 battery. That's nominally a 9Ah battery, probably less under load because of heat due to battery internal resistance. Anyway, that's about 9Ah / (0.33 hrs) = 27A, and that's a high estimate. At 18V nominal, 27A * 18V = 490W. Assuming 85% AC-->DC conversion efficiency and 120V rms from the wall plug, that's 490 / 0.85 = 580W.
The tricky bit is finding a non-battery power supply that produces 18V at nearly 30A and isn't some cheap consumer junk. Meanwell offers the HRP-600-15 which can handle up to 645W continuous and for which the voltage can be adjusted up to 18V. One of these supplies costs a mere $160 and would add 3.3lbs to the product weight. A similar 600W power supply without PFC and not currently offered in an acceptable voltage range can be had for ~$70.
As Doresroom Tool Reviews says, the lights draw maybe 3A max from a battery which is less than half an amp from the wall. Correspondingly, they're cheap and lightweight. For a vacuum or a saw the 500W-2000W peak power draws calls for big, heavy power supplies that may add $100-$300 to the cost of the product and increase weight by 3-8lbs at a guess. Manufactured internally, Milwaukee could no doubt make a cheaper power supply, but they can't get around the weight issue to a large degree, especially if the product chassis is mostly plastic (meaning there isn't a large metal structure in place for heat distribution).
Side note: Other companies use higher voltage packs which yields less current on the DC side, making power supplies cheaper. Metabo HPT for instance has a corded adapter for their MultiVolt line. The Dewalt 12" miter saw uses two 60Vmax FlexVolt packs in series for 120V, which has the convenient side effect of not even needing a conventional power supply to draw from wall power. It can just rectify 120V rms and get 120V DC, albeit with a lot of electrical noise.
LOVE THIS Love this, large and stable.
Excellent review as always, thanks!
Bags are better for convenience and fine dust vacuuming. I find bagless block up too easily on fine dust accumulation
I'm not sure if I was only my Vacuum, but the One I had drained my high capacity batteries really quickly.
I don’t own any Milwaukee tools but the M18 impact driver is on my Christmas list
When they add a wet/dry vacuum option then i will get it. Until then dont need another vacuum
They do have a wet/dry M18. That isn't the point of this tool. It's a backpack vac. You really expect to be sucking water and be carrying that thing? Get real man. This is really, light work. (office, lobby, hallway clean up.)
ReptileGuardian could it handle mild wetness though... I wonder. Like cleaning gutters etc. A little bit of water in there with the other junk.
that's a powerful vacuum cleaner
Great tool, great review 👌👍 thanks.
Hornet King brought me to this video
Let me guess. He has one of these vacuums full of angry hornets, doesn't he? 😅
Thanks for great review. I appreciate you showing its strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately until milwaukee makes a wet / dry version i wont be considering this.
Yeah, if it was wet/dry I would have sold my Ryobi 3 gallon cordless vac, but as it is I still keep that one around for wet pickup.
Great review- thanks 🍻
Very good revue, lot of information and did not hear one” you know” my pet peeve
Thanks!
Great review. Thank you.
I want this so bad
Great Video!! TY
Excellent review!
I use another vacuum to clean out the filter. No sense slapping dust around.
I use my 1500 CFM dust collector to clean off the filter. Works like a charm!
what do you use to clean the other vacuum? another one? ;D
I would love a smaller m12 version of this.
That sounds pretty awesome, but the runtime just wouldn't be there though. I have the M12 FUEL 1.6 gallon wet/dry vac, and it's great for small cleanup jobs. But it only gets about 2.5 minutes per Ah of battery. So a 6Ah will only last about 15 minutes, which would get really annoying taking it on and off to swap batteries.
The Prolux cordless BP vac is way better. And so are the Prolux attachments.
Looks like they have an available power head too, which is the main thing I think the M18 vac is missing.
Great review
The squeegee attachment would seem like it would be for water and it's not a wet dry vac they kind of failed on that one anyways good review
Now that you mention it, it does seem like more of a wet dry vac attachment!
Great and complete presentation. The stretchable hose is a good idea, but that means it has ridges on the inside, which affects the suction?
Yeah, there will be some loss from the hose, but I think a smooth one that doesn't collapse would be unmanageable.
I was impressed as I first saw how you vacuumed the saw dust from the floor! Suctions seems to be pretty good and awesome! the backpack design is also very convenient. Would you recommend it als shop vac, were it mostly stands on the floor? I know its intended to be carried around, but I think it would also do a great job in my workshop :-)
Only they should have designed the cyclonic separator better, so it would separate more dust and keep the HEPA filter cleaner. But I think if you clean it an a regular basis, it will maintain the suction of the vacuum.
Yeah, it works great as a shop vac too, but you'll probably want to pick up the longer hose they have for it. Also, it's not a wet/dry vac like most regular shop vacs are.
@@DoresoomReviews Thanks for your fast reply and the hint for choosing the longer hose! I`aware of the fact its only dry vac, but that's okay! Mostly you have to vacuum dry dust, so its not a big concern. Also I have the Bosch GAS 18V which can be used for vacuuming small amounts of water :-)
So this would Drain a 3.0 Battery quick as heck. I’m looking for a Vaccum for the house, I know Milwaukee has great products .
This will work pretty well as a household vacuum if you only have hard floors, but not if you have carpet. I've tried the M18 multi head vac that also has a brushroll, but that one is pretty disappointing. If you have pets that shed it will clog up immediately. But I just bought a cordless Dyson V11 Outsize this week, and I doubt I'll ever use either Milwaukee vac in the house again. There's just no comparison. The Dyson is $$$ though.
U had me at dog hair
thx for review of this vac
How about using it to clean my home hard floors. I use a regular stanley vacuum once a week to clean my home.
I use it all the time on my hardwood floors, works great. Not so much if you have carpet though.
How does the floor adapter stay on the pole? Is there a clip? Thanks. Great review.
There's a spring loaded clip
I thought it used a cyclone for filtering. Just a regular dumb filter. What a bummer. It would have been very nice for ordinary house cleaning if it was a cyclone. Perhaps the floor accessory isn't the best but it should be no deal making an adapter to fit the one from my old vacuum.
Have been looking a long time to find a good cordless replacement for a full size vacuum as it's quite teddious dragging cord and machine around. A backpack is nice and keeps weight off hands. Sure there's the Dyson V11 but I'm not 100% sold on that one either. Very expensive and all Dysons I've heard had a very loud high frequency sound to them. Not animal friendly...
It's not a cyclonic filter per se, but it does use a cyclone air movement to keep fine dust particles moving near the outside of the tube so that the HEPA filter doesn't clog as quickly. If you use a regular wet/dry shop vac for fine wood dust or drywall dust, all the dust plasters itself over the filter membrane immediately and the vacuum loses suction pretty fast.
Can it be used to vacuum ash from a wood fired oven? Is it suitable for that purpose?
I don't think it's rated to vacuum ash. It might be able to handle it if there's no possibility the ashes are still hot, but I'd check with Milwaukee customer service first.
Can you use this vaccuum to clean out your car. Every tool I own is milwaukee an I'd love to have this to clean the garage/car?
Yes, I've used mine for that and it works great. You might want to get the longer hose accessory though, since the standard one it comes with is a little short and you have to put the whole vacuum in the vehicle instead of just leaving it outside and stretching the hose.
Why won't my extension wand lock in? The little clear plastic pirce is very fragile
I'm not sure what piece you're talking about. The only clear plastic I remember being on mine is the 1 gallon tank.
I switched over to , just telling the world ... Dewalt now sux ....was in the dewalt since they came out, which was when I started work ...30 yrs ago .. lol my son is using my carry vacuum for a movie prop (space movie)
Great review! Subscibed.
Clean it with your samn compressor. All them damn tools you have to have one
Damn no beater bar? That's the spinny thing on the bottom of the part for the carpet/hard surface. Is there a part you can buy for the beater bar?? I install carpet for myself & I want this vacuum but I need a beater bar!! Please let me know if you can purchase a part that fits the vacuum! Please & thankyou!
Milwaukee actually just announced a different M18 vac with a powered beater bar. Should be available this month! www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Vacuums-and-Fans/0940-20
I didn't catch...can this work as a blower, too? If not, they ought to set it up to be a blower, as well.
It doesn't have a blower function. The exhaust is spread out around the top of the cylinder, so there's no distinct outlet port. It works better for vacuuming that way, since there isn't a gust of air coming from the vacuum stirring up dirt.
@@DoresoomReviews Thank you for the fast response.
I’m a painter and I’m looking for a vacuum that collects a good amount of dust on the drywall’s, ceilings and floors right before we begin to paint. Would anyone on here know how well it would work for that purpose? Review was fantastic but I’m curious how well it will work for my specific needs
Did you get the vacuum?
Does anyone know where to get some attachments that will fit this? Like another brand.If any. I lost my Milwaukee ones
Does the filter work well sucking up fine dust? Or does it clog up quickly?
I've done some drywall dust with it and it does OK. It will clog up eventually and need the filter banged out though. For that reason I usually use my corded shop vac with a filter bag if I have a LOT of drywall dust to clean up.
What’s the running time with the 5.0
Like 20 minutes. I have one but haven't been able to find its corresponding battery.
Yeah 20 min with a 5.0 batt? That’s a no for me dawg! Lol
Do you happen to know if the connector heads are compatible with compact cannister vacuum?
I don't think they fit. Which canister vac are you asking about? They have the older tea kettle style one, or the newer compact vac with powered roller.
Is there a way to use bags in it for haz-mat?
No, it's just bagless only.
Does anyone else get shocked when they combine their Milwaukee backpack vacuum with their Milwaukee rear handle circular saw?? Is mine defective??
I don't think I've gotten shocked before. But it's probably just static buildup from the vacuum. Do you live in a dry climate where it's more likely to happen?
Doresoom Tool Reviews - Yes, in a desert, Utah. I’ve only tried it when I’m wearing the vacuum on my back. I don’t noticed it with any of my other vacuums. I’ve used the Ridgid Smart pulse wet/dry, which is corded, and the Dewalt cordless Flexvolt dust extractor and I have not been shocked by either of them. I just wanted to ask around so I don’t end up replacing one or the other and still continue to have the same issues.
I thought you were able to pick up water with this without breaking it
Nope, it's a dry vac only. I think some of the confusion stems from the "water lift" specification, but that's just a measure of static suction power. It could also be expressed in mmHg, PSI, or Pa.
Would have been nice to hear a price
Covered that at 12:05
Can you compare this one vs the one makita has?
I don't have the Makita, so I can't do a direct comparison. The 18V LXT models have less static water lift on paper, and slightly higher CFM. The 40V XGT models both beat the M18 on paper for static water lift and CFM.
Great review!😍 One question! Will it automatically switch on and off when connected to a tablesaw?🙏🏻
No, it doesn't have any One-Key capability.
Allright, thanks!:)
Doresoom Tool Reviews on sale today... question. Do u need hepa filter installed? To use it? Or just for fine dust collection. Basing my purchase on this. Hopefully do not need it installed.
From a DIY perspective it would certainly be possible with a transformer with low voltage secondary tap into a rectifier. A microcontroller looks for current flow in the AC feed to the tablesaw (assuming it's not a battery powered saw) by monitoring the voltage out of the rectified tap, and then uses a solenoid or servo to turn the vacuum on and off accordingly. Probably cost $50 to add this if you knew which parts to use.
If it was a DC battery saw, then you'd probably want to add a hall effect current sensor inline with the DC feed from the battery, and use that as the sensor. Some sort of current-sensing loop may also work, or something that senses rotation of the blade, possibly using a beam-brake sensor to the side blade teeth. The light sensor would flicker on and off as the teeth spin past and block the light.
anyone have a good dust brush that fits the hose?
Only for dry stuff or can take wet or water too?
It's a dry vac only.
Bummer... water is mainly what I would have needed it for.
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It depends on what specs you care about. Makita has a slightly higher air flow rate at 64 CFM vs the Milwaukee's 55 CFM. But Milwaukee absolutely destroys the Makita when it comes to suction: 75" of water lift vs the Makita 44" of water lift.
@@DoresoomReviews 답변 감사합니다
Just got mine and it says wet dry vac. Is yours a older model
Does it specifically say "wet dry" or does it just mention "water lift" for measure of suction power? Mine was from right when they first hit the market.
Milwaukee's website still says it's just a dry vacuum: www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Vacuums-and-Fans/Compact-Vacuums/0885-20
So it's not to good on Carpet?
I wouldn't get it for carpet. It needs a powered brushroll.
About the time how long does it last? with the battery
25 minutes with a 9Ah battery
@@DoresoomReviews 😱😱 only 25 minutes? I just bought it i think I screwed up
Would it be good to vacuum cars?
Yes, but you'll probably want the longer hose accessory too.
Can it vacuum wet carpet or water?
It's a dry vac only - anything wet could damage it.
Doresoom Tool Reviews do you know where I can buy a back pack wet vacuum?
Would this work with drywall dust
Yes it will. The HEPA filter will probably need to be cleaned out pretty often to avoid losing suction.
Can this be switched to work as blower?
Unfortunately no. The output is a filtered vent, not a tube that the hose could attach to.
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That’s a bummer for me, but thanks for quick response:)
Is it a brushless motor?
Yes, all Milwaukee tools with the FUEL branding have brushless motors.
Dam I was loving this until u said it won't work on carpet. I was hoping it would
They just announced an M12 powered brushroll attachment. I think it will be compatible.
@@DoresoomReviews where can I find it ?
ACME Tools has it for pre-order: imp.i284638.net/MXjV6P
I don't know if it will lock into the extension rod, but it looks like it will be compatible with just about any wet dry vac.
Is the filter in it washable
I don't think so, but you can bang it out pretty easily. Sometimes I just use my corded shop vac to clean it out! 🤣
Can you do a test on gutters
It's not a wet/dry vac, I wouldn't use it on gutters due to risk of wet leaves. Plus, I don't think the hose is a big enough diameter for debris you're likely to find in gutters.
@@DoresoomReviews thanks. Any recommendations for a cordless vacuum for gutters?
I don't think any that I've used would be a perfect fit for that application. I use a leaf blower on mine, but then there's lots of cleanup afterwards!
Looks like a Poltergust G-00.
😂
Lol Dec-I-bells..
and to clean the filter use the same vacuum and repeat the process again and again........lol
Can I use on wet floors ?
It's a dry vac only. Water will damage it. If you only have a few drops of water on the floor it will probably be fine. But puddles or any sort of standing water will probably break it.
@@DoresoomReviews Well that answers my question. I was about to buy one today. Not any more.
Damn if only it was a wet vac
Anyone know how long it last with a 9.0 or 12.0 battery ,
From my runtime test, about 25 minutes on high with a 9Ah battery. That's the stated runtime Milwaukee provides too. I don't think I've timed a 12Ah from full to empty exactly, but I seem to get around 30-40 minutes from it on a mixture between high and low.
No motorized brush head for $300...wow.
They just announced the new 0940-20 model with a motorized brush head. Supposed to launch in December 2020 for $200 bare tool. bit.ly/3kPQ9u7
M12 POWER HEAD.... problem solved
That is a killer idea!
Or do what Dyson does and create one powered from main battery. If Dyson can make one with a smaller battery, it should be no problem for Milwaukee batteries.
@@jayrider9240 whats DYSON ? another tools or vacuum company or a guy in a garage
@@kelvenguard vacuum company. Basically the current king for cordless vacuum
Alright let’s se a real review I want to se it suck up dirt clumps
Stop complaining just build one for yourself
It's a real review. If you want everything sugar coated, go somewhere else.
Low Cfm...Im not buying..
Efg