Heads Gone Again After UCL Humbling | Bayern Munich 1-0 Arsenal Match Reaction | Champions League
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Much respect for this show, Tom and taking calls for the better part of two hours. I agree wholeheartedly about resting Rice, Odegaard and Saka against Wolves. We can play Jesus for Saka as he didnt start against Bayern and perhaps play Viera/ESR for Odegaard and Partey for Rice. The bigger picture of Chelsea and Spurs is vital and Wolves aren't in tremendous form. If we manage to win our next three games we hsve a great chance. All it takes is a City draw, not even a loss. Great insight Tom, hope we can bounce back this weekend 👍
Remember we also just had an international break where most of our players sat out of national duties, combine that with the Dubai break and I’d say there’s been plenty of time to refresh. The fact that we aren’t rotating the starting lineup though really baffles me because on paper we look to have the depth to do it
Tom some absolutely great phone ins. COYG
Great show Tom, all good gotta say is that Kimmich is one outstanding player. An impressive footballer to watch defend and attack.
Partey needed to come on for Jorginio. We didn't have much of the ball after his substitution and lost all control in midfield. We have no threat on our left side either because Martinelli is left stranded there. He has no overlapper. Saka has Ben white. I would love us to change it up sometimes and have the rb invert and the lb overlapping.
Unai Emery has built a team with a world class goalkeeper, and strong midfield and a Striker who is banging in goals and he has got Villa to a European final
No he hasn’t
Yes, substitution is a question with Arteta!
We do appear to have a bit of a problem with playing in Europe. You’re right about Trossard…..he is a better finisher of late than Martinelli.
My friends and this group chat I’m in with some fellow Gooners scoffed at me when we got them in the draw. I said their veteran presence and know how would cancel out whatever poor results they had in their league. After we drew… (at a Gooner only Emirates), I knew they were inevitable.
I don’t think that’s objective enough. Even the media paint this bayern were inevitable narrative with their history in the competition etc. I don’t think that’s what got them through, we were evidently poor and not playing how we have been in 2024. Bayern lost the league and have nothing left to play for. Go through the squad and compare minutes our players have played across the season and compare running distances and presses and you’ll see we are a way more intense side through a season, just ran out of gas when it mattered due to lack of depth. Stop gassing a bayern side that did well to spot our lack of confidence and energy and got one goal better, to seem like they were peppering our goal with high xg chances with inevitability. When you run out of energy you stop playing bravely because you don’t want to chase lost balls. I want to get rid of players like Partey, Eddie, Vieira, Nelson, (zinny Jesus Tomi
longer term) who we just can’t rely upon when it matters because of injury, or just for having the wrong temperament. Our depth cost us as it has every season, a fully fit and firing arsenal smother a fully fit and firing bayern in their current forms. Your friends were right to scoff at bayern, they just forgot we always bottle it in April. Bayern will be out next round.
was listening on Spotify so just dropping in for the like, 1k every day! :))
Had to watch on catchup Tom but as always great content from yourself so thank you
Good stuff input from your callers. Arteta has in my opinion ran some players into the ground which is not dissimilar to what Klopp does with his teams. He’s been unwilling to drop certain players & use his bench more productively & now it’s caught up with him. Also he doesn’t want to use his bench. He reluctance to take havertz/saka/rice off & in the CL not bringing Partey on when Jorginho came off is puzzling 🤨 so his in game management needs to improve going forward. But all being said still think we definitely are progressing in the right direction 👍🏼
I would argue the left 8 position is the one that needs a starter with rice moving to the 6. All other signings need to be for quality depth.
I think it's funny that when Arteta signed Jesus and Zinchenko, they were considering our "level up" signings. and they did level us up. but quickly they have been out levelled by the rest of the team and we find ourselves needing to improve most in the 2 positions they play, Up front, and left back
Excellent therapy sessions Tom.
I think last night showed the damaging effect previous results can have on a young Arsenal team from a mental pov. If we didn't concede the way we conceded our goals against Bayern the week before and how we conceded and lost against Villa I am sure we would have been more confident in our approach and would have played our game last night. But I was looking for runs that never happened, players weren't playing on instinct, taking an extra touch, weren't moving as much, misplacing/overhitting passes.
The more experienced teams get over previous bad moments/results quicker, so hoping as we play more at the highest level in CL and PL we can find that mental fortitude to put aside disappointments.
Of course fatigue played a huge part too, so many players lack that sharpness, that yard of pace they had a few months ago. Saka looks so tired, if he was in PES/FIFA his acceleration stats would have gone from 90 down to 80 given how burnt out he looks.
As worrying as the mental side is you can get over things pretty quickly with 1 or 2 good results, but the fatigue is really worrying and at this point in the season as its so difficult to solve.
Just hoping Arteta can do something to raise them for Wolves, its time to try some of the players who aren't getting as much game time, who maybe are a little big fresher and see if any of them are willing to go out and stake their claim in this team.
Summer Shopping List
1. Striker
2. CM (drop Rice to DM - his natural position)
3. Backup goalkeeper
4. Extremely pacy Right Winger
WTH
And a defender to replace zinny
Came back and dropped the like 996 come on peeps don’t let Tom down
Great show Tom! I think one of the best things to do after an Arsenal loss is stay off twitter. The most toxic accounts have the loudest voices on that platform. It helps me spending time with my gf and dog. No need to have those bad vibes around the people you love.
Totally agree Tom we look a very tired side and one of arteta’s weakness is in game management of players. He needs to manage players better and at times move away from planned substitutions and manage on the moment
Great show , really gutted I couldn't phone in on the show as work had to take priority 😢 but still managed to listen. I'm really liking your content as your views also follow mine. Had also been watching/listening to other content creator's and have had to stop as it's very frustrating listening to people being over critical/ having anger issues. Keep up the good content.
The truth is we went out with a wimper to the worst performing Bayern team for years ! ..
If you choose to see it that way, fair enough. Not me personally
I know Mikel prefers one of his full backs to invert but do we need an overlapping full back option on the left? Martinelli isn't getting any support on the left from the full back & it's affecting his performances. I don't know if tierney is the answer but he did help Martinelli when he overlapped.
Yes. It does appear we are a lethargic bunch of players. Well, we’ll soon see if we are able to bounce back, or are we knackered for the remainder of the season? Saturday’s match should be an indication of our resilience.
This is scared but love my club. the month of April over the last three seasons:
2021/22:
❌ Palace 3-0 Arsenal
❌ Arsenal 1-2 Brighton
❌ Southampton 1-0 Arsenal
2022/23:
🤝 Liverpool 2-2 Arsenal
🤝 West Ham 2-2 Arsenal
🤝 Arsenal 3-3 Southampton
❌ Man City 4-1 Arsenal
2023/24:
🤝 Arsenal 2-2 Bayern
❌ Arsenal 0-2 Aston Villa
❌ Bayern 1-0 Arsenal
I hate April. #afc lol 😆
January heroes and April fools it seems 😢 let’s hope they can turn up against Wolves
The players are tired. Arteta only trust a few of them to follow his rigid instructions to the letters, our players are too robotic. While it has largely worked, if it doesn’t, there’s no plan B. Other than my biased desire to see us win, our play style is boring. That U-shaped, timid pass back to defenders style is annoying. I feel players are too scared to express themselves on the pitch. I have noticed that Rice has adjusted to the system too. It’s so uninspiring. Bayern are better, they deserve to win.
I wonder whether we could have done better in rotating players more before we ran these guys into the ground during these crucial games. We never played enough players like Viera; Reiss; ESR; Elneny; even Nketiah throughout this season.
The teams on the continent play in competitions have four top team so they are able to rotate players more regularly.
Excuses talk channel always acting like Arteta is the messiah and no one can do a better job than him... you are trying so hard to get a job at Arsenal PR..
Shelbey has resurfaced!!!! He’s here! ✅
@@TheGoonerTalkTV This is not about me this is about Arsenal... but look at you lol
Go on Shelbey son give em hell!
Love how much the team has progress this season compared to last season but how can Arsenal or Arteta fix this burnt out phase this season or correct it for next season?
More players
Unfair on Matenilli - on the left he has 3 different LBs and the Left Mid either Havertz or Rice. Saka always has White and Odegard. Much better players and consistent.
Will this be on Spotify Tom?
Should be now
@@TheGoonerTalkTV sorted
There really wasn't much between these two teams across both legs. Those 'Arteta out' callers should rewind 2 weeks and realise how for this young team has come. Don't throw that in bin. These painful lessons often are the seeds of greatness. It's important to keep this young group of players together and surgically fill in the missing gaps in the next transfer window. I would suggest Boniface as a true number 9.
So many good lessons from this game. It's better to concede possession and hang back rather than being the team circulating the ball in harmless areas of the pitch. With fast wingers, you need to create space for them to shine. For instance, Kimmich is not a fast player but Martinelli did not have a single opportunity to exploit his speed advantage.
Bayern were just a touch better at robbing Arsenal of its strengths than the other way around. That decided the tie.
People are acting like we were nailed on to win it all this year. News flash guys even with our best title winning teams getting to the CL semis was really hard to do
The best 9 for me is trossard so i would have played him there and Jesus as LW
We don't need a winter break we need less international friendlies. English teams have done well in Europe years so its nothing to do with a winter break. We are in an intense title race, madrid are strolling their league, bayern aren't in a title race, dortmund aren't in a title race and psg are cruising as usual.
Would be preferable
Got to look past data etc for these games, they're about big moments, everyone in that team was too cowardly yesterday, not one was willing to risk ridicule to create or take one of those big moments
Wouldn’t say everyone but there wasn’t enough incentive about most for sure
Kimmich!
Everything is Martinelli fault but none addressed Saka's poor performances too..why? Have you all noticed that martinelli was direct last season and now wherever he gets the ball, he's always cutting back and slowing down the transition. That's been told to do. Come on, be objective 😢
Saka has had far more criticism than Martinelli. Stop being a fan of players and start being a fan of Arsenal. Hating on Saka won't make Martinelli play better. Is there any a reason for you to think a player who has gone from scoring 15 goals last season to 6 this season deserves less criticism then a player who has the same amount (14) as last season? I'm not saying that Saka has been great the last 5 or so games, but Martinelli has been worse this season. You need to be objective and truthful.
@@franklingoodwin Ya talking about a proper fan? I guess Yar in your 20s no Idea what a 35 years supporting arsenal means. Check all post games ratings and there's always a bias when it comes to bukayo. It's not hatred but as you mentioned.. objective.calling him a world class is one of those.
@@vincentvaldesmercado7656 I've been supporting Arsenal longer then you've been alive, so cut that nonsense out. Just admit you're a Martinelli fanboy and are in your feelings because he received justified criticism that instead of accepting you did a classic "what about so and so". Grow up.
@@franklingoodwin brother, take it easy. I have seen arsenal since 1990 so just for your record. I'm not a fan of nobody but Arsenal FC. If someone performs , I will praise him if the team does the same so will do but I can't have preferences.. you do.
@@vincentvaldesmercado7656 And I saw Arsenal win the league in 1989. You bought up the nonsense about age to try to condescend somebody older than you, not me. I gave you the energy you gave me. I stand up by my point. I can criticise both Saka and Martinelli. All you want to do is scapegoat Saka to shield Martinelli from any criticism. That is not an Arsenal fan IMHO. Especially since objectively Martinelli has been worse than Saka this season.
I don’t agree on Martinelli I think he was our most potential opportunity, he should have stayed on and Haz should have come off
Generally, there seemed to be a real lack of belief in the players in the box, and Saka really didn't have a great game - that last corner summed his game up for me. A real pity but we go on. And enough knocking the boss, he's super Mik Arteta for f-sakes ;-)
Gm Tom... disappointed....but from a positive standpoint....Arsenal has been out of the Champions League for 7 years, for us to return and get knocked out in the quarters by a seasoned champions League team in Bayern is nothing to be ashamed of. We just need to build on this in the summer and move forward.
Tom! Didn’t manage to see the match. Should I bother? I’m not a masochist.
Nope
I honestly expected this result.We need to win against a desperate Wolves and teams like the Blue London team West and White London North and Manchester United playing spoiler roles
Really proud of the team. Still on the up! 0:32
This is one of the only shows I can watch after a defeat because most other Arsenal fan channels just create more headloss, cannot believe Arteta out was trending last night
Thanks mate
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Man, talk about lowering your standards and then claim coming back to where you were before as progress.
Peak Waffling.
Bingo card ✅
Standard FC strikes again 😂 "lowering your standards" is what you say when you can't have a proper debate. "Waffling" too, lol.
Ever happens to you that you really like a player BUT then everyone starts overrating & worshipping them and you don't like the player anymore without any fault of their own ?
Happened to me with Haaland last season- now everyone's gone too far the other way with him, almost underrating him.
Happening with Odegaard this season.
Brilliant captain, excellent workrate, excellent at retaining possession, press resistant- Best captain we have had in 20 years imo.
BUT HE IS NOT ELITE like fans make him to be.
He's an #8 who can't carry the ball upfield like a Frenkie or Bernardo.
He's a #10 who doesn't have the passing range/final ball/ball striking of a KDB, Bruno, Trent etc.
Before anybody throws 'chance creation' stats at Me, most of them are a case of 'Quantity not Quality'. Apart from the slide through pass which he does on a few occasions to the LW(which Xhaka could do as well if not better) what unstoppable quality does he give in the final 1/3rd ? Scoring cutbacks ?
You pray for cutbacks when you're out on the field with your mates because they are one of the easiest goals to score.
Very one footed. Doesn't overlap at all because of it.
Or make many off the ball runs which results in Saka having to 1v2 every game unless Ben White busts his arse to take away 1 defender.
Yes, the LB & FW positions are obvious opportunities to improve. EVERYONE can see that.
But the fans have little clue of how much we can improve just by making sure we play a midfield trio of:
Rice
An #8 who can carry, break lines, defend(literally Partey but no point talking about a player who never plays)
And a dynamic #10 who has the vision & ball striking to open up teams at will.
Odegaard is VERY GOOD. But he's not ELITE. And where we want to go, you need ELITES.
He can't be in the starting XI in 2025 if we want to be the best team in the world.
There are worse players in the squad ofcourse. But those are too obvious. He is the one Arteta needs to show courage to move on from- especially since he's the Captain.
We don’t align on that. Odegaard is world class
@@TheGoonerTalkTV And we don't have to 🤝🏻
Absolutely
@@TheGoonerTalkTV Appreciate the work you put in man. Absolutely unreal! A lot like Odegaard! 😉
Been here since the Emery days.
Arteta Out
Tom you’re part of the reason fans settled for mediocre from this club No winning mentality
🤷🏾♂️
Deluded.
And you’ll never come on a phone in
@@TheGoonerTalkTV yeah right, I was there ready but you won't get me in cause I did not have a cam. "age" excuse. You can hear my voice and know.
Yeah Tom!! We need a 'winning mentality', I recommend that Antonio Conte guy, the one who took spurs to a whole new stratosphere @@TheGoonerTalkTV
Gotta have a webcam. It’s the rule mate every phone has one.
Kimich is a better RB
Mussialla is better than our L8
Sane is better than Saka
Goretzka is better in these 2 games than Rice.
Their CBs showed better than ours.
GK is in a different world than ours every other position was a wash that’s why the game was so close they finished their chance we kicked the ball lightly straight at the goal keeper when there’s 24’ of available goal mouth.
Composure all over the field was lacking