I've seen that so many times playing online tourneys... Chipleader can easily raise with a 78 suited, then when he flops two pair, trips or a straight, nobody will believe him, because they put him on AK, KQ, KJ, and other combinations of high cards... So if Chipleader's opponent hit a pair, him or her might go all in... This is why you should open-raise preflop with a wide range if you have enough chips
Hey Alec, thank you for the review! I might would have opted for a re-raise on the flop (or even preflop) because it would have given us more information to narrow down the opponents range. I might be wrong, but I have the impression that we have folded the best hand here, though its hard to say since we have no read on the opponent. Anyways, your ideas and thoughts about this hand are very helpful, as usual.
there are so many ways to think this one through, with these stack sizes however, i don't really see any huge advantage with any of the particular lines you can take.... the only way to play it with any edge IMO is by being at the table and like Alec said playing on feel for what your opponent is doing... or simply folding. I used to multitable 9 player turbo sit n goes with these similar starting shorter stacks and playing AQ in early position like this had very little benefits.
I got bluffed out a million dollar tournament and mf won the tournament. I live and learned the ultimate lesson in poker. It’s complicated but analyzing the board texture, his stack and betting control. I was blindsided
Hi alec...why is limping AQ preflop terrible if you consider there are multiple reshove stacks behind?! Other thing to consider is that the chipleader could really loosen up his "stealing range" to perhaps Q10s/QJs/QJoff/KQs/KQoff and keep firing flop and turn/riv while thinking hero would reraise a top p top kicker on the turn! What are your thoughts on this?thxs😎
It's terrible because you don't want to give people the opportunity to force you out of the hand by limp/folding, it enables them to do so with a pretty wide range where you're forced to fold. It's also terrible because you don't want to play the hand multi-way and you don't have the UTG's opening range well defined which makes later decisions more of a guessing game.
I think a min raise on the flop is the best move. Then if he moves all in I think you throw your hand away and give him credit for kings or aces or maybe even a set. It would be hard for him to push all in here if he doesn't have Top pair top kicker beat
I disagree on the line taken. I would have preferred with a raise pre or a fold. When the flop comes out Q high, the player must plan the rest of the hand. Your plan needs to include a triple barrel by the big stack. I either fold on the turn or shove. If you fold you have enough chips to still qualify. If you had raised pre and been three bet, you could have laid down the hand and committed less chips.
+Tipsy Vin Diesel I'd have folded preflop as well. AQ isn't a hand I'd be comfortable risking tournament life for and there are too many people acting behind to play. But given what happened, definitely call the flop and shove the turn is what I'd have done intuitively.
Tipsy Vin Diesel Yea i like folding preflop as AQ is behind alot of utg ranges. I am not 3 betting this preflop as i feel i am usually looking for lower variance spots towards the end of a tournament or Satellite. Also i hate Flatting as other players will more then likely call preflop making the pot bloated. And being out of position sucks for the remainder of the hand. As played I Do agree with Alec here. I think i am Jamming the Turn. If he played KK sneaky then so be it. I really don't think he has a Flush Draw here. I almost feel he has Something like JJ or lower or maybe KQ. His hand has value but he is 4 handed. Also the Turn card shouldn't of hit his range here unless he is bad and has A7 suited. Since it isn't a tournament we are happy to get the chips here as there is not point in Accumulating all the chips. We just want enough to win a seat. Also i would imagine if he had something like KK or QQ (happens but rare) i imagine he reraises us preflop? Hope that helps AKA VIllageidiot1
Hey man, i recently started watching your video's and i must say i love them, i've already learned a lot from your analysis's. My question is: do you know if and if so where i could get the chips as shown in a lot of your videos (@6:35 in this one)? I absolutely love them and i would love to play with them but i can't seem to find them anywhere. If you could help me out that would be great! Cheers in advance.
+CS B Hey CB, glad you enjoy them. These are actually a shot of my 'chip porn' from the European Poker Tour in Monaco (although all the events use the same chips). You can play any event, win, and you'll have plenty!
I think that live players are not going to be semi-bluffing the turn because the board is paired. I think that if they have a flush draw, they're gonna most likely check/call the turn. I think that live players are not good enough to make bluffs, especially if they're chip leader. I think it should be a call on the flop, but a fold on the turn considering that because his range is only QQ+. Am I wrong? +Alec Torelli
Maybe you all know this, but I felt like sharing it: Almost all the players stick to an Ace. It doesn't matter if it is A-7, A-10 or A-2, they will play that hand. So if you have pocket Queens, pocket Jacks or even pocket Kings you should consider to fold if there is an Ace on the board. If I have 79 offsuit and the flop comes J92(rainbow), I can easily call a raise (if heads up, of course), But if I have 9J offsuit and the flop comes JA3(rainbow) I can easily fold to a raise... Because I know Aces don't go anywhere. We are 9 players... What is it the odds for one of the 9 players to be dealt an Ace?
On the 79 and the 9J offsuit examples , when I said "if heads up", I meant if the other 7 players folded. So I mean a full ring, but going heads up to the flop.
I also play any Ace, but I have a plan when I do... Since I know that it is very likely that another player will have an Ace, I always take note of my kicker... If I flop an Ace, but I have a very low kicker and the other player bets big, I will immediately fold. But if he or she bets very cheap, I can stay to see if I can hit my second pair. If I have a nice kicker, I can re-raise them moth*fuc*rs 😂... *But all of this only applies to a dry board, of course.
Alec, the river came another *heart* and we're assuming he hit a flush. If his hands were strong why couldn't we assume he had pocket Queens? Is it the size of the preflop bet that he's representing?
+Evan Tan still though what? Quit being a pompous ass! I have a question and would like to know WHY we don't assume the boat from the pre flop action. What's wrong with the question? And if you're gonna give me a elitist answer, don't even bother.
I disagree with Alec.Going all in on the turn is volitle.not a cash game its a sat tournament.Where are u in the tournament? How many orbits you got? Did you cross the minimum chips out of total chips to get a seat? Are the chips distributed equally or else? Fold depending on these questions.
Exactly,pointless to analyze a sat hand without knowing all these factors first.Mainly I’m folding Aq here in second seat v chip leader raise,too many behind you.Hero seems to have a decent stack so wait for a better spot,ie shoving into smaller stacks.
I think the big stack had AX suited or a mid-pair. They didn't have aces or kings. AQ needs to grow some balls and bet out the flop. A show of strength would have taken the pot down.
He said the person was playing in a satellite trying to win a seat... you just need to make the top 10-20% of the field which is why playing a different style is what this was about. If it was for money then yes the hand would be played different. But with 26k left behind he still might be in the top 30-40% of the field and just need a small hand to get his chips back. Satellites I agree are a entire different type of play.
Yea river should be a fold,is chip leader bluffing here on a paired flush board.Doubtful!in Sats stack preservation is crucial,You have to play super nitty when others show aggression
say this is for a seat for Wsop event out of position im folding AQ there. but if your putting your oppenet on a hand that can beat AQ on a Q high floop why play so scared n bad . i mean he played this bad check called half his stack off to fold river n now will have one move with 25k all in or fold. also why call turn to fold river hoping to hit another QorA ? all in or fold on turn if he has AA Or KK then you will feel like a dumbass for not folding pre .
It also helps to hide your big chips behind the small ones.
Always my go to...awesome shoving on all those short and middle stacks lol
@@curtisw502 bro that’s disrespectful as shit
That’s illegal actually haha
I've seen that so many times playing online tourneys... Chipleader can easily raise with a 78 suited, then when he flops two pair, trips or a straight, nobody will believe him, because they put him on AK, KQ, KJ, and other combinations of high cards...
So if Chipleader's opponent hit a pair, him or her might go all in...
This is why you should open-raise preflop with a wide range if you have enough chips
Hey Alec, thank you for the review!
I might would have opted for a re-raise on the flop (or even preflop) because it would have given us more information to narrow down the opponents range. I might be wrong, but I have the impression that we have folded the best hand here, though its hard to say since we have no read on the opponent. Anyways, your ideas and thoughts about this hand are very helpful, as usual.
Thank you Alec for your time!!!
This had absolutely nothing to do with Satellite's, lol
What is that music? Sounds cool.
there are so many ways to think this one through, with these stack sizes however, i don't really see any huge advantage with any of the particular lines you can take.... the only way to play it with any edge IMO is by being at the table and like Alec said playing on feel for what your opponent is doing... or simply folding. I used to multitable 9 player turbo sit n goes with these similar starting shorter stacks and playing AQ in early position like this had very little benefits.
I got bluffed out a million dollar tournament and mf won the tournament. I live and learned the ultimate lesson in poker. It’s complicated but analyzing the board texture, his stack and betting control. I was blindsided
Hi alec...why is limping AQ preflop terrible if you consider there are multiple reshove stacks behind?!
Other thing to consider is that the chipleader could really loosen up his "stealing range" to perhaps Q10s/QJs/QJoff/KQs/KQoff and keep firing flop and turn/riv while thinking hero would reraise a top p top kicker on the turn!
What are your thoughts on this?thxs😎
It's terrible because you don't want to give people the opportunity to force you out of the hand by limp/folding, it enables them to do so with a pretty wide range where you're forced to fold. It's also terrible because you don't want to play the hand multi-way and you don't have the UTG's opening range well defined which makes later decisions more of a guessing game.
3 bet pre-flop defo and raise his flop bet for info if re-raised/shove fold .. if flat called ...fold if he bets turn
I think a min raise on the flop is the best move. Then if he moves all in I think you throw your hand away and give him credit for kings or aces or maybe even a set. It would be hard for him to push all in here if he doesn't have Top pair top kicker beat
What do you think about playing satellites just to take the cash/tourney credits?
I disagree on the line taken. I would have preferred with a raise pre or a fold. When the flop comes out Q high, the player must plan the rest of the hand. Your plan needs to include a triple barrel by the big stack. I either fold on the turn or shove. If you fold you have enough chips to still qualify. If you had raised pre and been three bet, you could have laid down the hand and committed less chips.
Does anyone know the song title / singer of the background music in this video??
Love your videos, thank you
Personally I would of folded preflop, but I'm a nit.
+Tipsy Vin Diesel I'd have folded preflop as well. AQ isn't a hand I'd be comfortable risking tournament life for and there are too many people acting behind to play. But given what happened, definitely call the flop and shove the turn is what I'd have done intuitively.
Tipsy Vin Diesel Yea i like folding preflop as AQ is behind alot of utg ranges. I am not 3 betting this preflop as i feel i am usually looking for lower variance spots towards the end of a tournament or Satellite. Also i hate Flatting as other players will more then likely call preflop making the pot bloated. And being out of position sucks for the remainder of the hand. As played I Do agree with Alec here. I think i am Jamming the Turn. If he played KK sneaky then so be it. I really don't think he has a Flush Draw here. I almost feel he has Something like JJ or lower or maybe KQ. His hand has value but he is 4 handed. Also the Turn card shouldn't of hit his range here unless he is bad and has A7 suited. Since it isn't a tournament we are happy to get the chips here as there is not point in Accumulating all the chips. We just want enough to win a seat. Also i would imagine if he had something like KK or QQ (happens but rare) i imagine he reraises us preflop?
Hope that helps AKA VIllageidiot1
Gregory sears this helped none. toward the end of your rant I think you lost sight of what u were talking about if u read it again
Yep. especially because he covers you.
Hey man, i recently started watching your video's and i must say i love them, i've already learned a lot from your analysis's.
My question is: do you know if and if so where i could get the chips as shown in a lot of your videos (@6:35 in this one)?
I absolutely love them and i would love to play with them but i can't seem to find them anywhere.
If you could help me out that would be great!
Cheers in advance.
+CS B
PS: The chips in question are also in your youtube page banner :)
+CS B Hey CB, glad you enjoy them.
These are actually a shot of my 'chip porn' from the European Poker Tour in Monaco (although all the events use the same chips). You can play any event, win, and you'll have plenty!
+Alec Torelli
Haha, that's one for in the (hopefully near) future. ;)
+Alec Torelli are you saying that you get to take home the chips when you win an event in the EPT?
Chipleader had 7 8 suited
Maybe clubs or spades
Lol at alec... Well played.
I feel like not shoving on the flop is the mistake.
Cool points, thanks!
what's this got to do with a satellite?
I think that live players are not going to be semi-bluffing the turn because the board is paired. I think that if they have a flush draw, they're gonna most likely check/call the turn. I think that live players are not good enough to make bluffs, especially if they're chip leader. I think it should be a call on the flop, but a fold on the turn considering that because his range is only QQ+.
Am I wrong? +Alec Torelli
Maybe you all know this, but I felt like sharing it:
Almost all the players stick to an Ace. It doesn't matter if it is A-7, A-10 or A-2, they will play that hand. So if you have pocket Queens, pocket Jacks or even pocket Kings you should consider to fold if there is an Ace on the board.
If I have 79 offsuit and the flop comes J92(rainbow), I can easily call a raise (if heads up, of course),
But if I have 9J offsuit and the flop comes JA3(rainbow) I can easily fold to a raise... Because I know Aces don't go anywhere. We are 9 players... What is it the odds for one of the 9 players to be dealt an Ace?
On the 79 and the 9J offsuit examples , when I said "if heads up", I meant if the other 7 players folded. So I mean a full ring, but going heads up to the flop.
Lol, I don't speak english well, but I just love playin poker
I also play any Ace, but I have a plan when I do...
Since I know that it is very likely that another player will have an Ace, I always take note of my kicker... If I flop an Ace, but I have a very low kicker and the other player bets big, I will immediately fold. But if he or she bets very cheap, I can stay to see if I can hit my second pair.
If I have a nice kicker, I can re-raise them moth*fuc*rs 😂...
*But all of this only applies to a dry board, of course.
Alec, the river came another *heart* and we're assuming he hit a flush. If his hands were strong why couldn't we assume he had pocket Queens? Is it the size of the preflop bet that he's representing?
Eric G You mean aside from the fact that would have added up to 5 queens in the deck?
Lytrigian I have brain damage from reading your comment eric g
Sorry guys... Typo. I didn't mean a queen I meant another heart!!!
Still though
+Evan Tan still though what? Quit being a pompous ass! I have a question and would like to know WHY we don't assume the boat from the pre flop action. What's wrong with the question? And if you're gonna give me a elitist answer, don't even bother.
bad fold I agree he should have been more aggressive every street or fold preflop if you aren't ready to play
He should have shoved all in after the turn
I disagree with Alec.Going all in on the turn is volitle.not a cash game its a sat tournament.Where are u in the tournament? How many orbits you got? Did you cross the minimum chips out of total chips to get a seat? Are the chips distributed equally or else? Fold depending on these questions.
Exactly,pointless to analyze a sat hand without knowing all these factors first.Mainly I’m folding Aq here in second seat v chip leader raise,too many behind you.Hero seems to have a decent stack so wait for a better spot,ie shoving into smaller stacks.
the calling preflop made no sense in my opinion. 3 betting would be the more Logical play
Unlucky run out
I think the big stack had AX suited or a mid-pair. They didn't have aces or kings. AQ needs to grow some balls and bet out the flop. A show of strength would have taken the pot down.
That would require an all in on the flip since he raised 8k. I wouldve pushed the flop but I guess that's why I'm not pro.
Did he get a seat? Probably not.
3 bet pre then I jam the flop
He said the person was playing in a satellite trying to win a seat... you just need to make the top 10-20% of the field which is why playing a different style is what this was about. If it was for money then yes the hand would be played different. But with 26k left behind he still might be in the top 30-40% of the field and just need a small hand to get his chips back. Satellites I agree are a entire different type of play.
Yea river should be a fold,is chip leader bluffing here on a paired flush board.Doubtful!in Sats stack preservation is crucial,You have to play super nitty when others show aggression
Played the hand just awful wow this was bad.
say this is for a seat for Wsop event out of position im folding AQ there. but if your putting your oppenet on a hand that can beat AQ on a Q high floop why play so scared n bad . i mean he played this bad check called half his stack off to fold river n now will have one move with 25k all in or fold. also why call turn to fold river hoping to hit another QorA ?
all in or fold on turn if he has AA Or KK then you will feel like a dumbass for not folding pre .
Without the annoying music would be better to listen
he played it as bad as possible.
This hand was awful.
Lol at alec... Well played.