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- Why was Ember given downsides again?
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The fire warframe, that overheats.
Oh, the irony...
But seriously, that mechanic makes her look so ridiculous in comparison to other frames
Imagine if Overload drained all of Volt's energy or shields.
Or Frost's Snow Globe could freeze him if he stayed too long inside.
Like, there is no way, rhyme or reason why Ember needs anything on her 3. Just make it 90% at all times and period.
If they changed it to just increase her ability costs as the meter gets higher, but that cost can be mitigated through stacking efficiency, she would be far better off. Having an insane energy drain at max meter is just brutal
@@MattR8605 I think a better idea is that you WANT to build up her heat so you're encouraged rather than discouraged to use her abilities and she's constantly cooling off... ya know.. like how actual heat works.
@@vidyastuff3509 wouldn't be a big deal, but her survivability is directly tied to having max heat, which also comes with an ungodly energy drain.
I need that Warframe tier list to drop like a bad habit
Has he said if he's going to do one for this year?
Fr 😂 even if I’m not playing warframe at the time I watch it yearly
@@MrDanedo Yeah, he said after he does all of their build refreshes.
You want him to make another bull💩 tier list? Why?
i feel like the list is not even needed you can just tell which frames are better what not
This guy gets it! As always! Why can't she armor strip acolytes? Why is there Line-Of-Sight on her 3? Why are there so many negatives in her kit? Can she please get some love from DE?
Terrify can’t either , inconsistent with the other though , main issue is she has the energy per second per second drain on her 2 and yet we have frames with 90 and even 95% DR on a duration timer only
@@RossKyle95quite unfair that a warframe about fire is punished for being "too hot" and has to suffer from a massive energy drain just to maintain herself at 90% DR. Meanwhile, Revenant exists.
@@longps9528 literally what I’m saying the drain is appalling
@@RossKyle95 based on another comment, it should've been the other way around. The ability drains energy when the meter is not at least 80%, and the goal is to keep it above that threshold so that the energy draining effect is halted. Ember's 3rd ability also refunds energy and doesn't drain her meter if it successfully hits at least 1 enemy, as it will afflict opponents hit with 1 stack of Heat status.
@@longps9528yes sounds good keeping the damage bonus and casting speed bonus for higher meter too hehe
Slorping your own energy is super weird when Gyre or Saryn can just toast everyone is pretty sucky. Like, why does the heat meter exist if only to drain her energy? Other abilities give full DR or armor strip without draining extra energy. I feel the same way about a lot of forced "synergy" effects, like with Oberon.
Even when compared to someone like Gauss that has a meter mechanic, he gets immunity against most damage types and knockdown PLUS energy restauration instead of energy drain.
Her meter came out after gauss, but it's a punishment rather than a benefit. All they have to do is make the heat going up being entirely positive and something you want to happen, as ember cools down after time, instead of heating up. So you still want to spam abilities but no longer punished by horrendous energy drains.
She gets more damage and cast speed the hotter it gets , the main issue is her 2 having the old energy per second per second , so it’s 1 additional energy per second for every second. Active like old Grendel it’s horrendous and should just be a fixed drain , also she gets higher armour strip per cast with the meter so it’s not entirely fruitless
Seems like you could make the meter slowly decay and make using abilities fill it up, make it so the meter buffs you the fuller it is and done. Maybe a delay on when the decay starts, so keeping it full is doable. Then it's more of a fueling the fire mechanic
Yeah, it's kinda weird how Ember's gameplay is more about cooling down than heating up.
I didn't play her much, but you build up heat to armor strip with her 3. But man, does she eat energy...
@TheScrootch All her abilities want you to be at high heat for the strongest effects (DR, %100 extra damage, armor strip) but the 2 punishes you for being there for too long. If they just inverted the way the 2 works so you're rewarded instead of punished for heating up, she'd be perfect.
I like that he’s putting build refreshes up for frames that need to be talked about before the list, so people who just pop into it (cause everyone looooves lists) have something to gauge their power tangibly, and understand their potential a bit more.
Ember and her downsides feels like the past dev team was scared she would auto pilot the game even after her rework to make her not auto pilot the game like she was doing with world on fire.
problem with that whole debacle is that people just swapped from WoF Ember to Maim Equinox ...
making her "rework" that nerfed her into uselesness purely pointless ... just like the Banshee that was nerfed to the ground for no good reason and remains absolutely useless to this day
@@Asghaad I wouldn’t say Banshee is *completely* useless, however she is less than what she could’ve been.
@@klove5974 her best use currently is to be devoured by Helminth to put her only usable ability on some OTHER frame ...
@@Asghaadtypical noob move. Her 2 and 2 are still pretty powerful.
@@MyDemon32Sonar is more gimicky version of damage multiplying abilities like Roar or Eclipse and unlike those you have to hit enemies in specific body parts to take advantage of it.
and Silence can be subsumed and put on any other frame at full power.
Banshee is mediocre damage boosting frame with ZERO survivability - no defensive active nor passive abilities and lowest health armor and shields.
there is a reason why i havent met a single Banshee for years - she simply sucks, whatever she can do other frames can do BETTER while not being glass cannons
I've always said that the "Blazing bombardment" decree should have been Ember's 1st ability.
I remember when they changed her 4th ability from being a channeled aoe nuke to what it is now (if I remember correctly). And DE communicated to the players that they didn't want the game to be passive afk like that, they want you actively playing the game. Shortly after they released harrow IIRC, and as time has gone on, now we have crazy powerful nearly AFK builds that are A-Okay.
Funny that Octavia (the afk goddess) still hasn’t even been glanced at
World on fire being gone makes sense even though it hurts, but why tf did they remove accelerant?! That's like removing saryn's toxic lash! They could've just removed fireball instead!
I use Fractured Blast with Equilibrium over her 1. I also take a Vulaphyla with Seismic Bond for the 30% extra efficiency. With the 30% from Streamline you'll get the same amount as Fleeting Expertise but without the lowered duration.
I don't even watch Warframe videos anymore. The best info is always in the comment section lol.
You could also add Molt Efficiency for 36% more Efficiency, as long as you're keeping her shields up
out of all the Ember builds i've seen and built, this is the most stable thank you very much.
I'd say for up to lvl 200 you really don't need roar and can just use nourish to make her more comfortable. I like to use her with the kuva ogris which works good to spread additional heat procs plus viral from nourish which synergizes very well.
Probably worth nentioning, that with armor strip ability changes, she doesnt even need full heat bar to full strip, if you swimming in energy she can just double-cast it.
I've been running Ember with Nourish over her 1 and only using her 4 augment to generate energy and to get her immolation to ramp back up immediately. It's very comfy and once you get going you can still ability DPS while also getting lots of damage with your weapons because of Fireblast.
At this point, there'll be a new pandemic before Ember gets brought back through Prime Resurgence.
After the Hydroid rework I put Barrage with the Viral augment over her 1 for priming.
It works, but I‘m not sure it‘s still her 4 that is doing the damage …
I used to play her in the early days and while her funny world on fire build wasn't good per say, it was fun. While I miss that build, I'd settle if they'd at the very least take line of sight off her abilities, it's very strange. The not needing to wait for her armor strip would also be nice but personally I'd prefer the removal of line of sight lol
FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE 2,147,483,520 INCINERATED GRINEER
Sounds like a Knightmareframe vid title lmao
Will be using the weapons platform build, probably purely so i have a build for when she pops up in circuit runs
If you get morale boost decree (5 energy per second while full health) in circuit you solve her energy problem…
@@menitianrebator3355 Exactly🤌
I’d be interested in seeing a “unique” load out for each frame with thematic but still effective weapons
Love the videos, and can’t wait for the teir list.
Is there any plans to update the Archon Shards chart on the website now that we have the new shards?
what archon shards did u use
Imo, she runs into survivability issues without brief respite past a certain point. It goes really well with her ability spam.
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I would like it if while your energy is draining she produces an aura that gives heat vulnerability, especially if it allows heat inherit to work off any heat proc.
Ember deluxe’s lil pointy feeties are hilarious to me. I just imagine the noise she makes walking around “tink tink tink tink”
I wish DE would re work her again she for sure! Needs a buff a new coat of paint as you would put it. Honestly I miss her WOF she's my main so I feel the pain 😅
I put Thermal Sunder on her 1, because at low levels it's free add clear, and at high levels it's instant heat procs which is power strength with her passive. I pretty much go 1 --> 3 --> 4, and that kills Steel Path enemies no problem. Exothermic mod helps with energy and spamming. Ignis modded for viral helps with the Eximus units. She's my go-to spam frame.
I miss Ember with World On Fire
spent many great hours having a blast with old ember. they completely ruined the feel and fun of the frame :/
I've always thought it would be interesting if they absolutely HAVE to have to overheat mechanic to be like rumble in league where the incentive is where you sometimes want to overheat for some kind of buff ( power strength increase or something like that ) it's so weird to me that the warframe that is on fire and controls fire can't use too much fire.
I completely agree, she just has too many restrictions. I'm pretty sure they didn't spend enough time on her and vauban's rework as they worked on both at the same time among many other things in that patch.
On a sidenote: a harrow build video(with pillage and all strength) would be nice! People seem to build him wrong all the time in my experience.
pillage detected opinion removed rights removed.
I'd like to see Ember's 2 work like Gauss' 4. Duration based where you have to build the gauge.
It's time to jump back and play my ember. Took a 5-6 year break, had her since the game launch. Just I found out my son's are playing warframe.
Im probably using her wrong but I have never been able to get the hang of her meter. It fills up so fast I just run out of energy trying to keep it from draining energy which in turn drains my energy 😂. It feels like a double negative.
If you put in a helminth that doesn't need strength as much ember is a good candidate for precision intensify
Hey Brozime, is there a reason you never slot in energy nexus with a low efficiency, high strength nourish build? I have been doing this on alot of frames that would use nourish anyways and it really frees up some mod slots and lets you get away from energize. This new mod seems like an actual game changer to me and i have never heard anyone talk about it.
Have you seen his Mesa?
@@Sound_Tech I missed that! I remember skimming it for the ceramic dagger and crit info. A little odd to use it on a frame with a channeled ability like that but hey, if it works it works.
@@emwZEEK The build also does some stuff with secondary outburst, so the expectation is that you'll exit your 4 more often to proc that, allowing it to be effective. I was also skeptical, and considered equilibrium instead, but it works quite well in practice.
Equilibrium is still stronger especially with nourish present , health orbs are ever present these days , if anything he could drop the energize and run her 4 augment if he needs energy especially if running nourish
As others have said I have this in my Mesa build and it will also be a setup used in an upcoming video as well
did he mention what shards are there in the build section or i just missed it? i imagine its 2x casting speed?
Probably either casting speed, or parkour velocity for shmovement.
I came here looking for the same thing lol thought I missed the archon part of archon ember
@@Supaawesomeification the archon part is archon vitality my dudes
@@SupaawesomeificationI believe the archon part is archon vitality for the double heat procs
He talks about it later in the Steel Path run, it's casting shards
Her one should be a cone-shaped attack, and give you an AoE at the impact point where standing there you gain the benefits of your passive and increase the gaining of her heat meter. The effect should have a lingering buff allowing you to keep moving and not forcing you to stay stationary.
Her 3 should stop reducing her resistance. Makes no sense nowadays. Instead, they should remove the LoS of it.
Her 4 should hit harder and have a built-in chance to make enemies explode on dmg, dealing extra dmg based on the enemy's total health, which would help with the scaling issue.
From B+ To A+ or low S in a few simple changes.
I use her augment with arcane energize and equilibrium....as long as i have mobs to kill her health and e stays capped ....i just have to turn armor off and kill with weapons if the enemies are beung bottlenecked. Most of my weapons have 4 or more forma.
Current Ember is really just a feelsbad to play right now, at least for me. Being punished for doing the thing you want to do is just strange, it's like if Gauss had a huge energy drain for having max battery, or if Mesa had a cooldown function on her peacemakers.
sorry for the dumb question but why is he always full energy at the steel path run? are there just that many energie orbs or am i missing something?
arcane energize is one helluva drug
@@Sasha-jo4tw man i dont want to farm eidolons, but thank you for the answer
@@biowiener7825 you can get it from loid from the new update with arcane dissolution if youre lucky, dissolve arcanes you have tons of and gamble for energize. even a rank 0 is very strong
i think being able to be a weapon platform frame is a plus
I wanted ember to be good again. the rework is ok, but like you said, having bad things just seems meh on a reworked frame specifically. we've seen what they can do with reworks with hydroid, so having a shit one feels bad. hopefully inaros is nice
Would highly, HIGHLY, recommend to use a heat inherit primer of sorts to beef up her dmg output. Otherwise pretty solid build.
I’m a little surprised that you didn’t mention her 4 augment. I haven’t played her in a bit but I know I had that on my build and I can spam abilities with very little care about energy. I’ll have a look when I log in later.
He did mention it in the beginning actually, stating that he doesn't deem it necessary anymore due to more consistent energy drops from eximi.
I personally still use it though since it allows me to drop Energize, but I guess it comes down to personal choice if you prefer a flex arcane over a flex mod slot.
@@8bitmemorylane166 oh I must’ve missed it. My b
When are u gonna do the furis incarnon build? I really I want to see it
I wonder what shade of blue does Brozime use in his energy? I like it.
Heres a good lil change, make her 2 not drain but increase the cost of of skills while increasing the damage of her abilities. Her 4 need a scaling buff per heat proc applied to put her at least in range with saryns unlimited nuke ability, and make fire blast strip acolytes at least
Never mind the build....where can I get that skin....fashion frame on point!!
Her deluxe skin, and the wings are an ephemera, it’s usually from a vendor in fortuna on Valentine’s Day
its the ember deluxe skin
The angel wing ephemera is on sale from the Valentine's Event right now! Grab it before its gone.
What i wanna know is what color palette that blue came from :O
@@DemonSarionlooks like a mix of blue from infested Palette
I wanna see one of these for Loki 👀
I'm sure Ember was designed well back when her 4 was just actually capable of nuking everything, but... it can't, and gauss and mesa and gara and all these other frames can, and they can slap on an armour strip and just be better. i think she's there with nyx in the "victims of the helminth system" club where they had what was formerly a balanced kit but now is a kit that feels like it does nothing, because the baseline armour strip is terrify or pillage; the baseline weapon buff augment is shock trooper and nourish; and you're not even starved for sources of DR with the helminth system if that's what you want on your build.
why not go for an armor strip instead of roar?
Spam your 4th a bit more and you get to spam max immolation fireblast every 0.5 seconds, this kinda takes the whole downside away, youll be running 90%DR about 80+% of the time without the drain ramping up
Her 4th increases overheat gain with every cast, thats why ull be instantly back to max overheat after casting fireblast with a few inferno spams
The thing is, with Ember, I actually really like her gimmick of heat management, I really like the idea of controlling her heat and trying to avoid overheating while using her abilities, it adds a unique playstyle to her and it should reward you for thinking about what you do instead of just spamming until you get so overheated that you have to turn off her 2.
But, for that to work as her gimmick, she'd need abilities that are like... strong? So that your reward for proper heat management is a really strong firey AOE frame, and not what Ember does, where her abilities aren't very good and actively get worse if you actually properly manage her heat mechanic. The overheat mechanic is a really cool inversion of how most meters work in Warframe, and would add a neat layer of thought to how you play, but it needs to be rewarding, and Ember's kit just isn't very strong and actively works against itself because you are punished for managing heat, because her 4 does less damage with low heat, but also punished for not overheating because she needs to overheat for max damage reduction on her 2 and damage on her 4.
At this point, the easiest way to fix Ember would prolly be to just remove her overheating, rather than reworking it, and incentivise you to be at high heat at all times, and just save the heat management playstyle for a new frame who can be designed around the mechanic. Which is a shame, because overheat is really cool and fun to manage when you understand how it works, but you're punished for learning to manage it instead of just spamming her 4.
I feel like I rarely see an overheat mechanic on abilities done in a way that doesn't just feel awful. They never balance the risk-reward of it properly and it simply sucks, especially for Ember where her "reward" is doing exactly what two dozen other Warframes do freely.
1:33~ what do you mean "eximus offering a bunch of energy"??
blood for energy mod
They destroyed Ember when they removed World On Fire or her original ultimate.
cap
She is ten times better compared to old ember
why you dont use the 4 augment instead of fleeting expertise
Isn’t enough since her 4 would cost 10 energy per enemy that way
I think her 2 needs to
-have fire blast moved into it as a hold cast and give her back accelerant.
-Remove the energy drain from it also.
She's not very good anymore because of all the nerfs. They gutted her best 2 abilities (accelerant and world on fire). If she got accelerant back, she would be fine
waiting on the technopyre ember skin to get accepted and added
Blade of the lotus knight ember tho
We need both added
Hey brozime can you do a steel path garuda pls
Would you not be better using precision intensify?
Loses too much damage you’d get from Roar unfortunately but it was considered
Patiently waiting on Rhino
He’s too powerful
I liked the old Ember alot, love those pasive sitting back style frames. The make everything so much more hectic, which i dont like
As far as comparing Ember to other frames goes, let's not forget she got reworked at the same time as Vauban. I get that they were probably concerned about making something as disgusting as new Saryn was on launch (before they limited her damage growth rate to cap out with 10 enemies Spored), but it's a complete joke that the crowd controller frame got stronger scaling on his damage abilities than freaking caster nuke frame did.
What are those 2 yellow shards?
Just a couple casting speed they’re very optional but nice to have
Use terrify instead of her 2 and prime enemies with viral heat Inherit epitaph with cascadia flare
Update your Archon Shard Preferences List please
Best buff for her would be to remove the line of sight requirements og her 4. Or bring back a tiny World On Fire on her 1... Nostalgia...
A lot of constructive criticism here and I'm hoping this will open you up to a build that provides more value to her as an old warframe in the current day.
TLDR: 90% DR is not a down side big Broz
1. the most important thing here is that you are playing a "combat support" frame as ad "clearing dps" frame. You can tell what DE intends her role to be by just looking at her augments.
2. Her passive: you're looking to one shot but I believe playing her like Saryn and keep the map burning is the best way to play her and use the mod slots you have for Strength for the referenced augments. I cannot stress enough how little value it is to build her for damage. She supports the combat of her weapons and her squad. By keeping the map burning and building for duration, you CC the map while buffing your strength as well as your DR which I would argue you want up. Building her for efficiency and duration and her 2 "downside" is so incredibly negligible compared to the upside it brings with the augment.
3. but let say we're building her for ad clear dps. Well wouldn't pillage be better here over roar? Refreshing shields, clearing status of team mates while not only stripping armor but shields too without LoS restrictions? Heat has increased damage to flesh, roar is not good here.
*why adaptation. redundancy and diminished returns? archon vitality helps with her ehp so much already but I feel like this is because your trying to lower her 2 bar and not keep it up like i am arguing is necessary. DE is incentivizing you to keep the map burning, ergo having you 2 bar up for the DR furthering my point here. She already has a better version of adaptation but I understand being more durable in solo situations.
I know you're kinda set in your ways playing this game longer than most but I challenge you to accept this view on her. You do not play with people just your stream viewers so its kinda an echo chamber in your community as of late. But when I'm playing with a lot of bb tenno and friends new to the game Ember really has shown up for them.
-Love you Big Broz, lil Broz still waiting on those charm nerfs :D
I miss her world on fire. Can’t believed people complained she takes away all the kills when she was never built for high levels. 😑
So why no Exothermic?
Ember was my main for years. You’re right. She is forgotten by DE. I haven’t played her in years. BUT…BUT…. She did rule warframe for a very long time during world on fire days.
She was so OP that she is still in timeout.
Don't worry Brozime. I "like" Ember too, ya dig? Anyway, Ember is a victim of Pre Pablo era Warframe designs. Where buffs always came with a negative on the backend.
ember having downsides would be good design & interesting if we didn't have fifty other frames in the game who kill things about as well or significantly better who have the downside of "you gotta manage my timer and recast buffs every 40 seconds or so just to check that you're awake and not AFKing this defense mission :P"
You know Ember’s been done dirty when even Vauban can kill acolytes faster than her
From the wiki:
"Inferno costs 0 energy to cast. If enemies are within range, it consumes 10 energy per enemy.
Energy is consumed for at most 10 targets, for a total of 100 energy.
Energy cost per target is affected by Ability Efficiency.
While only consuming energy for up to 10 targets, will still target and drop a meteor on any number of targets."
So with 4 energy per target in your case, you'll only consume at most 40 energy per cast
They need to bring back world on fire ane accelerant.
One day Ember prime will enter prime resurgence. One day
the energy cost on her 3 needs to go. if they dont fix the 2's constant drain then maybe the 3 being able to be spammed when her heat is built up can deal with the energy drain problem
how do we have the exact same fashion.on ember bruh
Because that's what 90% of embers look like
Subsume her 2 with Terrify , 168 strength = full armor strip (even behind walls) decent range , high efficiency , archon vitality , natural talent or 2 amber shards . Bring epitaph for primer , Spam 4 to win 🙌🏽
Have two aoe armor strips? Seems really wasteful and pointless tbh
Fair point, I find it more convenient with terrify especially since it works thru walls. I use her 3 more for CC. Check out knightmareframes ember guide to see it in action
She is so close to greatness. So many old Warframes just need sone slight tweaks, but DE takes forever in adjusting old Warframes.
i prefer wisps breach surge instead of roar on ember it adds tons of damage and works much better on ember worst enemys and that is corpus and eximus
Ember is super fun but I thought tally agree her energy economy needs to be changed
I think she needs the stacks like hydroid
Yeah, and her 1 needs to get rid of the charge mechanic like Hydroid.
I need old ember back
Some how this is a low level ember build that requires a bunch of late game resources and systems, kinda impressive to hit both of those in one build
Ash needs a buff imo. His 1 is single target armor strip, nobody does that anymore. His 2 is super low dur while others are pseudo infinite. His 3 with an Aug does less than kullervo 1. His 4 only works if you're solo or your squad is a bunch of bots. He's been mid for so long most players probably don't know that he was ever good. RIP Ash
Yesterday,I did 800k bladestorm per strike. NO
I think DE was afraid of her being an 'afk' frame during her rework which is why all the negatives. Less passive play and more active casting. However, this is a ridiculous idea and should be changed for a more rewarding gameplay rather than forced to burn meter. I think Brozime is spot on. Ember unfortunately needs help and the only way to possibly get that is to complain. LET! HER! COOK!
Zime can you please make a video next time Energize is easily available.
Always feel discouraged from playing Warframe when I remember that I don’t have max energize and how the cripples many warframes.
Do yourself a favor and look up how many ways to get energy there are nowadays, it's insane how easy it is to be at max energy as long as you don't spam abilities every 0.1 seconds.
There's not a single warframe in the game that needs Arcane Energize. Heck! Most of them can get away with 45% efficiency and still function flawlessly.
Energize is not needed.
@@jonahbrown5669 Your fucking stupid reply isn’t needed but I bet you feel better being able to make it.
Nowadays you have zenurik, nourish, energy nexus, grimoire why would u even bother to use arcane energize?
@@YoungTenn0 Warframes with channeled abilities (Mesa) or ability spam playstyles (Ember).
Problem is warframes that are “just fine” arnt likely to get tweaks and buffs very soon. They gotta be in hydroid and inaros levels of suck
Amusingly, thermal sunder Gauss is just better Ember. Less thematic, but he strips armor easier, great survivability AND energy sustain through his 2, and he burns everything to death through walls.
Wouldn't it be nice if they picked like 5-10 warframes who needed slight touchups to fix per patch instead of only doing huge reworks? That being said they think Loki is fine so... /shrug
Her current kit is a punishment for us who loved world on fire ember. Rip WoF
Oh, Archon Vitality. I thought it was some weird-ass Ember (or weird ass-ember) build that somehow destroyed Archons 😂
Thermal Sunder is a better Ember
sir. where warframe tier list?
hey man, for your next warframe guides, can you not talk about how they are compared to other frames and how good and bad they are? It seems like you heavily lean towards certain frames and dis others and doesnt give the community a fun variety. Just an idea, i was gonna play her but now that you talked so down about her i dont want to try her now.
All she needs is the MIGHTY SEER