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I can play during Bladestorm 😂👍🏼
Exactly what I said yesterday when I smashed my keyboard. I think its time to roll to sth range, maybe hunter 😅
i play fury.....
@@matslundberg1289💀
been feeling that its the only gameplay since bfa :x when every one just zooming around and the infinite micro cc / cc nd roots atlest from casual standpoint
and thats when they all run away and scatter 😂
I loved the part where you just stood there cc’d. So..most of the video.
Problem is melee want 100% uptime and casters want 100% free casting.
The end result is the myriad of CC in order to help achieve and counter balancw
can someone please make an edit of bajh getting knocked around and add some pinball sounds im fucking dead.
no hate, just another warrior main slowly losing his mind to micro cc haha
Literally unplayable… what a meta
This thing give me anxiety holy fuck jeeeeezzzzzz
This is why I'm hyped for Mop classic.
Mop was the last time i actually thought the game was cool, not stockholm syndrome button mashing pve for rating
isnt this why they developed DR? We're going backwards lol
No DR for knockbacks. They should add one frankly and reduce distance knocked. Any displacement effect. Second usage the distance is cut in half. Third you are immune.
@The_Fictionist they need to design pvp around gear. Literally if you do your rotation perfect and they do it perfect, it's Russian roulette. But if they make a mistake the opposing wins. Pvp shouldn't take 7 minutes of chain cc.
@@The_Fictionist Knockbacks in general do DR such that you can only be affected by 1 aoe knockback and then will be immune to further such knockbacks for 10 seconds. The problem is that there are many knockbacks that just are not on knockback DR. Unleash shield, crackling jade lightning with Thunderous Focus Tea, death grip, etc are all targeted instead of aoe, so don't incur knockback dr.
Every melee has like 10 gap closers. DR on knockbacks is a degen melee take that does not take pvp from any other aspect into consideration. How are you supposed to live when you can't kite them ?
@@johannsteeler6689firstly, 10 is an exaggerated number. Let’s stay factual.
Secondly, who says there shouldn’t be some other form of counterbalancing. I think the current set up of cat and mouse where ranged are required to have a gap in order to play is just as cancerous as melee being cc’d for 10-15s straight and knocked back three times in a row preventing us from getting to play. The game is more fun if everyone’s effective up time is increased. IMO.
I been complaining about this as well, especially playing as War or Disc, I just get bursted, CC'd, Root, Slowed, like bro lol. Not to mention, they don't chain each other, You got Poly? 5-6 seconds, then you get Cycloned that's 6 seconds, how those two not chain? It's really bad man. CC in DF is awful.
Did cyclone and poly ever exist on the same DR in previous expansions? Also has CC been much less in previous expansions? I know Hunters used to be able to 4s scatter into 8s trap, now they share so it’s 4 and 4. That one example at least is less CC than previous expansions. Also the shale spider used to be able to stun the target at a range, now no pets can hard CC.
It was way worst on bfa where you could triple clone, triple poly, triple root or any other cc and dr on clone was already reseted
If you did correctly you could keep a player out of the game
@@bradyvilhauer4445 not sure what expansion had less cc, but I feel in previous ones I was actually able to “play” my class, which was long ago, not sure if it was MOP or legion. And no they don’t share, and I really wish they would or at least tune it down a bit, I get it. They’re caster classes and they to be far away as possible from melee class or you’re smoke, but seeing how Baj literally just got knocked back 3 times from shammy, by him using two charges and heroic jump, my man is done he can’t get close which makes him vulnerable to get destroyed.
@@KevinOrlandoAnchundiaGarcia I literally can’t say much for Bfa, I literally just hit max lvl on it and stopped, I saw they introduced honor point system which I found cool but didn’t play as much which I wish I did, but the fact you’re saying this kinda concerns me lol. I don’t want to be a spectator, I was to be in the game. Sounds like you can eat a solid meal just being removed from the game for good. Jesus.
Couldn't agree more. I'm trying to climb with a disc priest now and some combos and impossible to beat based on cc
They gave classes way too many abilities with the class trees . Mages are probably the worst
Hunter too depending on what race you are like kultiran mm hunters like 5 ccs. Tar trap explosive trap buckshot racial punch. What ever that blue arrow is called where it basically stops you from moving
Retail pvp gives me anxiety and raises my blood pressure. They need to either raise CC cooldowns or make it to where you're immune to CC after a certain number.
but you are immune to CC after 3 casts lol and he's playing warrior in 2v2... who in hell plays 2v2.
@@andrecardoso6941I prefer 2v2 since it lowers the chance of there being a healer. Healers make pvp unfun.
As a warrior i got spontanious cancer just looking at this. They played kinda 'fishy' though. The split second you charged you got a knock back, i'm like what. It can happen fast but they were just to fast. Just really suspicious.
As if it isn't the most telegraphed/obvious ability, ofc a warrior will charge when they're far from their target.
@@TankManHeavy fr, it's so obvious, I would just be mentally prepared for smashing that button right in the beginning of charge. It's like when a bad druid runs towards you to give you a bash, I meld it almost 100% of the times. But on higher ratings mind games come in to play, where a good druid can just pretend like he's gonna bash right away but he's not, instead he holds it after your meld, same with kicks and lots of other things
Lmao take off your tinfoil hat, people can be good at the game. Shocking I know!
Im not sure sho the shaman is, but shifterx is an insanly good r1 boomy who runs the same weird build noone els runs, but he for some reason almost hasnt played this season
It wasn't suspicious. They actually played it bad. If the shaman uses static field on every heroic leap and knock on charge the only way the warrior gets uptime is when he charges and bladestorms then gets rooted at the end. There is no reason they should of given him as much uptime as they did.
Damn it’s amazing that you don’t flip out of anger chasing for nothing it feels like with war today
Everyone has EVERYTHING in WoW now. There is nothing unique. Theres way too much going on and WAY too much micro cc.
LOL hahahaha the first initial outburst had me chuckle, then I fell out of my chair as you proceeded to get even worse CC 😂
Solo shuffle healer: Why is your damage so low
Me on arms warrior: root, stun, stun, coiled, root, knock back, mc, cyclone, cyclone, CYCLONE!, root
Yeah no F'n Idea why I'm only doing 30k dps 🤓
to be fair playing against arms is just as bad, rooted when charged, stun bolt, then fear then disarm and you're dead.
@@SteevveeI agree, also in early ratings it’s a stomp fest sometimes with bladestorm bladestorm bladestorm like 6 times in the first minute, I still don’t understand how 😆
Just because a person gets CC’d very well doesn’t mean the game is broken; CC better than the enemy team and you too can win
Me on shadow priest : storm bolt , shockwave , intimidating shout , perma slowed , sigil fear , chaos nova , fel eruption , banish , pummel , disrupt.. stop complaining.. play a caster for the last 2 expansions and then you know what you are actually talking about. Cause you melees have no fcking reason to complain with 3 charges and a heroic leap. Demon hunter perma dashing , monks perma rolling and tiger palming into range , palas became basicly casters with all there range abilities. If there are 2 melees that can actually complain it's DK's and enhancements shamans
“Why does the Shaman have all this”, he says, right before connecting for 10 seconds and taking him into execute range 😂😂
this
there needs to be a general CC DR, regardless of cc type after X number you cant be cced for X amount of time
I agree as a warrior I can’t jump in and fight like my class should be doing without being locked out of my character. That’s the whole purpose of being a warrior is to charge in or leap and start wrecking then but you can’t. I really think after the first two ccs. I should get immunity from all other for 3-5 minutes even at having two ccs on you one after the other your at a huge disadvantage.
Agree but damage should go down, you see in this video the moment he gets to smash the target it goes to execute range within a few seconds
@@MrSherhi yes make less damage
Idk if it’s the cc or the fact that a 68% healing reduction does not prevent a healer from full healing someone in 1 second.
When you play m-plus you can’t keep putting stunts on the mobs bc eventually it will become like diminishing returns. I don’t know if I’m saying it correctly but why it’s permissible in pvp ?
I think they need to rework how knock backs are affected by DR, like, the knockback should be less distance the more DR you have , rather than only being able to immune it after however many knocks.
This is the reason that 90% of the player base ignores pvp
90%+ of the player base has always ignored PvP. CC is part of the game, everyone can use it. WoW has always been like chess, it’s so much more than just getting a headshot and calling it a day, it’s step by step moves & setups.
Notice how he reacts to it; if it was this debilitating every game, he prob wouldn’t be reacting this way. This is just a really good stacking of CC by the enemy team vs a melee player.
I don’t personally mind it too bad because if it WAS an fps game for example, I’d spend more time than this probably dead and in the respawn screen. My take anyway.
@@bradyvilhauer4445 It used to be like chess. It used to be a lot more calculated. Then they gave melee almost infinite mobility which ultimately led to the current situation.
@@bradyvilhauer4445 wow pvp is a joke
I have always hated pvp because of how nasty players can get with it. It ruins the experience plus when your leveling up and a max level just one shots or your pvping another player in your level range and some max level comes along and kills you. Just not enjoyable for me. Gl with all that.
due to the fact that they made it so much more complicated in pvp and there are no good rewards, I just deleted the WOW
Kind of reminds me of MoP days where you had to roll a human DK with like 4 trinket abilities to break CC
That's so frustrating to watch and glad you handle it so well at least on an outward appearance laughing it off.
yea its always felt like nothing has a DR
The DR system is archaic. There should be something like the stagger bar in D4. Cc abilities will add to the bar based on what ability it is, and when the bar is capped you get immunity to all cc for a bit. Different bonuses for different classes or something. Warriors get enraged.
They can add abilities that can reduce the bar on you target, or to increase your own. All class specific.
There needs to be some sort of way to discourage players from spamming cc.
Good video!
I think cc itself wouldnt be a problem, but the games damage profile changed way too much and a lot of classes/comps have 100 to 0 burst in just a few seconds casually, basically oneshotting in a single cc window if you dont have trinket and full defensives.
Back in wotlk or so it would be very hard to setup something like that, and casually oneshotting in 3-4 seconds was very rare if both players were same gear
It used to be a well placed kidney behind a pillar on a target was impactful. Now there are so many disarms, CC, forced movement etc that it literally doesn't matter. Combine that with a high dampening meta and it become an exercise in patience just getting to play your guy
Considering you maintain a good attitude during the whole thing until was over... Respect 💯
The CC was out of control a long time ago. That’s one of the main reasons I quit playing . It get old fast not being able to even engage a target. I could unplug my key board and mash buttons and have the same experience.
Arguably since the advent of WoW PvP
This is why no one takes pvp in wow seriously. The game is too much crowd control mechanics. Like imagine playing an fps like this.
@@meurumtrain4747 but it’s very intentionally not an FPS game. So yes an fps like this would suck, but WoW is so much different. It’s almost like a card game. But not turn-based in that way.
There are a lot of competitive wow players who, yes, make the same complaints, but they still play the game and enjoy competing. Most of them don’t constantly complain about CC even though they are playing against the highest level of players.
I understand there is a lot of CC but I’m confused because in an fps, in contrast, there are a lot of bullets. But nobody calls that out. CC is just like a bullet in an fps. If you get hit with it, it is annoying. So hit first, or play a different game. I guess I don’t see the reason for complaints. We all have CC in our toolkit
This is why I stopped pvp about 4 years ago. Unfun and horrible game design.
@@bradyvilhauer4445Nah there was plenty of counters and ways for your teammates to mitigate CC in the beginning. Retail PvP is uniquely booty ass.
back in mai day we couldn't even zoom out that far, and that was a good thing! imagine trying to make a sick pvp frag vid zoomed out into the moon like that
hilarious clip. this type of gameplay-'pvp turns into pve'-is always funny to watch if not so much to experience.
Video title is about 12 years too late. Anyone remember MOP PVP? Loved it for dueling but arena was a mess.😂
I don't know how you did to keep yourself calm ^^. With the every bump you took from the sham ? Looks like he's playing volley-ball with you lol !
Imagine something maybe like...mmm i dont know a ret pal? You would quit in a 30secs cause the only time you can stay on the target (maybe :D ) is when you are in buble :D
This perfectly sums up my experience as an arms warrior, even at 1k8.
Can't fcking move
the simplest fix I could think of for pvp only with cc's is if they are going to be so unbalanced why not just make all cc's dr off eachother in pvp. then you have to ways to stop incoming damage or you have to legitimately hold them for a cc chain kill scenario. probably not the best but would help bring more outplay or set up thinking situations when going against spam cc classes.
Fun and interactive gameplay...
Guys you should really think about stuff before discussing, 4:45 is the prime example why there is so much CC in the game
You almost killed the shaman as a single damage dealer even with all the CC in the game
Now imagine you play with another dd instead of a healer and there wouldn’t be as much cc in the game as it is
Fights would probably last 10 seconds
I think its very hard to balance this.
Even tho I too get frustrated sometimes because I can’t do shit haha, I enjoy that these fight take their time and also skill.
Low rank pvp is nowhere near as frustrating tbh.
Its just dumb melee crying. That was nice example. Also noone mentioning that he has 4 fuckin movment skills 2 stuns and a fear with a mortal strike effect to...but hey lets take other ppls cc
Damage has to be that high to counteract being controlled for 14+ seconds at a time, if you want less cc, you tone down damage to compensate, its that exchange that people dont want to talk about
@@GorerendI get the point but toning down dmg means a overall change in Hp, dmg and healing etc.
If you consider that blizzard also has to change the game from time to time to make it feel „new“ then your argument ( even tho it makes sense) becomes irrelevant
The game would always be the same
Perfect balance doesn’t exist
Even if you do manage to create perfect balance blizzard HAS to change things otherwise the game gets kinda boring
I just don’t like that people shit on blizzard for something that is not as easy to manage as people think
@@paf_gaming1491 ya it feedbacks on itself a lot which is definitely a design issue, which then can be counteracted by reducing mobility (which also at this point might as well include things like knocks as mobility as it functions to the same degree) as thats also a compounding factor, just how mobile everything is, so past insane.
Granted i havent pvpd for a long time as shit just got way past my liking in just the overall, but its something that does just reek of being overdesigned (in the sense that like one thing was added to counter one thing, then a counter was added to that, then a counter to that, etc etc.)
Thank god someone noticed. Resto Shamans are like mages. We squishy AF, we have to have all our tools to avoid DH, monk and War with its 400 charges. Melee have no right to complain considering the meta
U ever have nightmares when you're a resto shaman facing 2xWar 2xDH FW in an endless shuffle you can't leave coz Blizzard will kidnap your dog and sue you for ToS violation? And every round you hear stuff like "Could've pre-wall and pre-ground that stun you spirit dog, not that hard innit", "Healer diff", "Kicks are no spirit dogs food!", "Gotta kite, mate". And it just never ends
the amount of cc abilities is truly what needs pruned as well as some of the absurd amounts of mobility.
I get that ability bloat has caused many issues but this is also not a very common matchup that you see. Like boomy rsham in 2’s is not that popular. Also, if they didn’t play like that and min max every cc onto you, they’d be dead in about 2 minutes because the shaman can’t heal through your damage. So it’s a give and take. I think abilities need to be cleaned up for sure but also recognizing that every time you touched them for more than 1.5 seconds they were in trouble.
I remember Cdew said that at the start of the patch for AWC, that it would ruin the game it is a bad idea to increase the duration and damage taken of ccs like Fear and Roots. the problem is when you add the roots to casters cc it becomes unbearable for example locks have 5-sec fear + 2-sec coil and when it adds to the roots you better afk for a while ...
Remembering one of MoP blizzcon where supatease was cc all game long literally
This is the feeling that World of Warcraft has been giving me lately, it gives me a lot of anxiety and frustration, I have decided to stop playing because it doesn't feel good and it affects me a lot.
Did your partner castle a single cyclone? Do resto druids not have that anymore?
Also in wotlk rn a spriest/sub rogue have almost 40 second chain cc so it‘s not like this is super new either.
Yes. I quit a few years ago when arenas became less about damage and all about the line of sight Olympics and world of cc craft.
This happens to me on my pal every game it's very annoying
We've been complaining about this quite vocally and other things for a fair chunk of time to a chorus of crickets from Blizz.
Nothing u can do about the knocks unless druid wants to play more into cat for stuns and to help. As for the hex not sure why healer didnt dispell that, if he was more cat weave def could take skull bash to helpout to kick lassos or cyclones
Warrior use to have to choose between Shockwave and Stormbolt. Now they get both. Druids would get Bash or Mass Root. Now they get both. Dks would get Strangulate or Asphyxiate. Now they get both. Dks use to have double Deathgrip as a set bonus, only able to be recasted within a few seconds of their first cast. Now it has 2 charges. There is a button inflation going on, the Shaman tree alone has infinite CC. Root Totem, Displace Titem, Thunderstorm, Capacitor, Lightning Lasso.... The game doesn't punish people for making mistakes or misplaying anymore. Precognition is nice but in general, the micro cc is just silly. The DR also doesn't make sense. In Rbg's you get knocked around all day. You can't be double Typhooned because of DR, but you can be Ox Kicked by a MW, then Double jade lightning knocked backwards which throws you VERY far away, you can then be thunderstormed after that... (This happened to me earlier). Personaly as an Hpally, I'm salty towards priests and Rshams for having CC immunity or stops with Grounding, Ghostwolf, Fade and Shadow Word: Death because I don't have any. I can't even dispel or freedom my Dps half the time because I need to freedom myself just to get to them or I'm also in a Micro Cc while they sit a full Hoj and it's not even intended cross CC it's just bad players smashing 1 of their 8 cc... This is also why Rsham and Rdrood are soo good. Ontop of their insane output and low mana costs, they have infinite cc...
ALSO I think if he just sat Boomy it would've been a different outcome.
Imagine a warlock trying to cast fear with 2 melees and a fist weaver on u.
Exactly, its more frustrating then what melee have to go through.
If that was me a few years ago I would have screamed and smashed smth. I admire your calmness and I use it when I play to not be angry at such overpowered bs anymore.
Love the thumbnail lmao
It's the damn truth man. Definitely something that Blizzard needs to balance and fix.
Not like u would get more uptime in WOTLK as Warior/Druid vs something like Mage/lock
That Druid needs to be a part of the fight too, go over there and stun, cyclone etc..
really tough in nagrand aswell feels like ur chasing them around the actual desert sumtimes lord give me patience
I tried warlock. Bad idea to get some bolts off. Rly horrible in arena. In BG’s its doable. It doesnt effect my mage that much on the other hand. But the mage can be dead in no time.
I remember playing TBC classic and just feeling like PvP was 90% based around it, if not more.
there should be some sort of dr for knockbacks
ITs an easy Fix. Just increasses the DR for like 100% and people would not spam ccs for no reason.
What is the addon that shows what the spell the enemy is currently using next to the nameplate?
Wow team does this literally every 6 months. "We want people to do more damage" "People are doing too much dmg" "We want CC to play more of a role" "CC is too much of a role in pvp" Rinse and repeat back to "We want people to do more dmg"
I quit wow like 6 years ago. I see nothing has changed since seasons 1 in arenas.
Its been like this forever
Since everyone has a snare why don’t they just reduce the speed while in arena by 60% as soon as combat is entered. We all waddle around perma slowed anyhow.
CC in general is less,dmg is more for sure coz everything can die pretty fast.Displacement stuff like the shaman totem and druids typhoon and roots and on top of that u not being dispelled in general from ur healer makes it look very very bad :)
What I wanna know is how dps players even find games been trying to learn how to play warr and frost dk and I sit in q for a half hour just to play a 5 min arena game. It just makes me go play my healers but I’m soooo bored of healing.
Oh my 😂... I think i would of uninstalled during that match 😅... That was rough even to watch. Definitely feeling for you on that one 😂
But honestly the CC is getting crazy, you get a 5 sec poly into a 6 second kindey shot into a cheap shot into another poly lmao
My favorite thing is Bajheera going "ok" after every stun/root
The reason I want play pvp anymore and I only played pvp since tbc
My poor guy, that was insanely stupid, I think they might need to increase how long it takes for DR on cc takes
There is too much cc in wow because there is too much mobility given to certain classes, like warrior or monk or demon hunter. Remember when feral was mobility king. That tells you how bad the mobility buffs have gone. Start removing all the charges, jumps, etc from classes and then cc can be pruned as well.
Best thing: This wasn't even 3vs3 and still it was SO much... 🤔
nerf mobility from most classes, make them have 2 at most, give 2 displacements to range dps, remove skills that grant immunity to cc for some skills, slow it down, tone down on health damage and healing, there are so many thing that could be done, but that will create an imbalance, and by the time you get to a good point everyone stopped playing because the testing and time required will be too much, my honest opinion, anyone think of something different?
Well the new Slayer talent tree was revealed... charge can now help a little with these issues xD
I feel like it reached that point once before then they scaled it back and now here we are again.
I tried to get back in to my war and it wa ridiculous I alted f4 asap
How much CC is too much CC?
Blizzard: still not enough
ye i quit this shit a long time ago. And not going back ever...
The fact that you still were smashing them is exactly why they have to have that much CC. It sucks for sure but without that obnoxious level of CC, you and other classes would absolutely crush them.
People wonder why 10 wins and done was a popular pick to get Conquest points.
Troll Warrior, Da Voodoo shuffle 20% cc reduction, Battle stance 10%cc reduction, and Warbanner 50% cc reduction. Trolls be flippin out mon
Let's remove the million interrupts and gap closers melee has so that the casters can have some time casting also and then there won't be as much CC. Try playing for example Destro WL againts all melee.
No doubt that was pain to endure but this could've easily been countered if your druid played more aggressive. he could maim one then bash and clone the other and you get easy pressure. It was practically a 1v2. The druid cloned & bashed 2 times in 6 min game
It's like they attempted to raise the skill ceiling but ended up just making some things unplayable in certain matchups
Certain comps have counter comps, the counter to warrior is root. A more offensive healer could have help with locking them down. Your healer definitely lacked on the cyclone cc
the nameplates look smooth. Any way to export?
Looks like warrior can only be playable while Bladestorm is active
i know pvp players not gonna like this at all but make all forms of cc DR universal
Baj I fucking love shamans so much but this is straight up bullying, goddamn lmao
Yes, EVERYTHING is too much in WoW.. If SoD difficulty and skillsets were applied to modern WoW it would have over 10mil subs easy
So I returned to wow just a few days ago and I've been saying the same thing to my buddy. Constant CC, barely get to actually play the game lol
All stuns, polys, fears and snares should share the same drs. They want “faster matches” but keep all the “slow down” mechanics…
YES!! CC is fn crazy right now
0:31 why did the shaman do that? baj said it "didn't pull" him does it actually pull him when he relocates the duel totem?
Yeah, but think it was out of line of sight from warrior perspective so it didn't work.
@@KenubissMakes sense, thanks.
cyclone is just so terribly designed like druid's entire class is reliant off that overtuned crap to compensate for terrible class design
In 2s it can be hard to use since it needs to be casted, but in 3s one teammate can just point and click cc and you follow up with cyclone every time it can be rly braindead
@@wladynoszhighlights5989just interrupt the cast. Or CC them before they get a clone off. This is 10000% a team game yet everyone expects to not get into comms but still win… or play solo shuffle all day without typing out any plan at all and then get sad at losses. Kind of blows my mind
@@bradyvilhauer4445 yeah interupt and they just cast it again and put u in a 10 sec cyclone spam.. doesnt change anything. We understand there is counterplay, but the spell is horribly designed
@@zaktech7816remember when feral could insta cast cyclone. 😅
@@Allimusion I’m new to the game around 2100 rn but if I experienced that I’d cancel my subscription😂😂😂😂
pvp became too sweaty like 8 years ago lol
rsham should have to choose between static and root totem. that would fix alot of the issue.
Milk is in my guild on KT where I awear to god I'm the only person ever online. When the hell was this game recorded 3am???