Creepy 1950s HO Steam Locomotives Found in Box - Train Shop
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Every few months I usually end up making a trip up to Larkspur line model train store and I was really looking forward to this visit since the store has recently acquired several large lots, most of which is still packed away. The store owner let me look through the boxes and I ended up finding a bunch broken locomotives. The last box I opened was certainly the most interesting as it contained around eight brass locos in various states of completion. The one I was most interested in had all the parts but is in somewhat rough condition giving a bit of an almost creepy look. Despite being made in the 1950s, it was the only locomotive out of everything I bought which actually still ran.
1:09 the chassis with Kato on the tank would be Atlas RS11/RS3. The shell though is Canadian RS18, my guess is maybe someone filled in the number board notches on the Atlas shell, or used a conversion kit.
1:20 the BB SW7 has a Kaslo (could be wrong on the maker) conversion kit with the Canadian number boards on the hood.
2:10 the Lionel GP30 is the Kader-made one that later would be a Bachmann piece.
3:05 the Champion car was made by Cox
4:20 the Rivarossi Hudson looks like it has the wrong tender with it, I see the top of a B&O Vanderbilt from a 2-10-2. If it was cheap I'd have bought the whole thing just for the tender.
5:20 looks like a box of all Varney, I would likely have bought the whole works. The one with the odd motor I think Varney called the V4, with the long snout on it.
The Daylight is the same deal as the GP30. Made by Kader for Lionel. Lionel was famous for having other people make their HO trains, and they contracted with Kader to make some things in the 1970s. When Lionel quit, the items went to Bachmann. I'm not sure the full history but I believe currently Kader owns Bachmann and produces all of their models.
9:10-ish. That's absolutely a Varney. $50 CAD probably isn't bad for what's there, the tenders I have sold for $20-$30 USD alone. It's missing a trailing truck but I'm sure you can find one. The bronze boiler dates it to post-WWII, they sold them through most of the 1950s.
Yes, those early Kader drives are pretty common for zincpest.
The story on the Life-Like is that was a Penn Line shell. Varney got it when they bought out Penn Line in 1964, but only four years later they were bought out by Life-Like and the die-cast things were sold to Bowser. It was sold for at least 25 years as a Life-Like engine, with several drive variations.
Subbed ❤ 2 times a year isn't pretty often ") I would want to visit at least every month
Gordon Varney died in 1968 his train line got divided between life like and Bowser, he made great stuff.
Awesome trip to Larkspur lines!! Wish I lived closer so I could visit. Thanks for the clip.
It's well worth it!
Hi Harrison, I enjoyed this video so much that I visited the store and ended up buying three of the locomotives (4-8-2, 2-8-2, and a 4-6-2) and two tenders. Then I found a bin with lots of brass detail parts. Love those old steamers!
Glad to hear they found a good home :)
When i was a little kid, my dad buys a lot of scale trains to me. It was early 90-s, and the trains was made by German company named "Pico". They were awesome, highly detailed, and very well made... But, because of my age, i've played with it like with simple toys, not like with expensive scale models, and pretty soon all beautiful locomotives, cars and tracks were destroyed by me and my younger brothers. Faster than i grew up... Today im almost 40 y.o. im watching your videos and, like, feel very sorry about my railroad and stuff... Almost crying...
If you enjoyed the time you had with them I wouldn't feel sad. Things are meant to be used - not that they shouldn't be respected but you didn't know better then.
@@SMTMainline thank you for your answer). Well, all i can say that the lesson was learned).
Bro, that Daylight GS class you found in all black for $40 I think, I would have gone bonkers! I have been looking for a daylight locomotive for soooooo long for a good price. Man I wish I was you.
And since you bought the Loco, you should try to paint in the SP 4449 but label it as a CN Loco.
It was $30 which may seem like a great deal but these 80s Bachmann and Lionel Daylights are a nightmare to work on.
Everything in the box with the "Creepy" locomotive is Varney. In the extreme lower right there might be a Mantua shell. Anyway, Varneys of that era sometimes had a "V" cast into the boiler side near the front...where the builders plate normally is. And, yes, that is a Lindsay designed 7 pole Varney super motor.
If they still have it next time I'm up there I might pick it up, those 7 poles seem to be pretty sought after.
You should have got that whole box because that was a
Was worth a lot of money on ebay
I bought the Varney 2-8-2 with the 7 pole motor….it runs!
Looking forward to seeing what it takes to get that last locomotive running better. Nice find!!
Cool video. Waiting for the repair video.
There will be plenty on the way, I promise
Things that people normally throw away, become a treasure and something fun if one manages to repair them. It gives an immense added value to the final result.
With one of those rusty locomotives I would make a kind of ghost engine or something.
Exactly, you take something nearly worthless, fix it up and paint it to your liking and then it's one of a kind.
@@SMTMainline Good luck with the repair, I hope you can get them all running again!! 💪💪💪
I used to follow some snowmobile groups, and they mentioned people might have a store full of stuff, decide to retire, and just close up and lock it. Wouldn't sell locally.
With the Internet, some people will go out and buy the whole store contents, and haul them away, then sell them piecemeal. Some great old stuff has shown up.
Thank You Harrison! It was worth the wait to see this haul. Although, I do get jealous of all the model train stores you have in Canada. I still enjoy seeing you checking out your shops. Keep up the awesome job!
I assume your in the states, if so I've gotta say you've got some great shops too, they are just rare in certain areas.
you wouldn't be jealous of the snow-shovelling
@@tommurphy4307 Hate shovelling snow? I'm in So Cal....what's snow??? :)
Now I know I have to get to Merrickville. So good you made a deal with Jeff to fix those locos.
It's a great place. I said I'd fix the locomotives for free but he said he wants to give me a store credit for each one I fix, we'll see.
@@SMTMainline sounds like him. I started buying from him away back when he operated the store from a shed in his back yard.
if i were there i'd go on a shopping spree that kind of store would be pure heaven in my childhood
Aways happy when he says "we have a runner!"
VERY FUN watching. Please share the in-depth repair videos like you've done for other locos. I really love seeing that. Best wishes and thanks for doing all this. I love the steam locos, not so much the diesels but I still watch since you have great skills with troubleshooting and repair. Thanks and best wishes to you!
I think my favorite videos of yours are touring the train stores and finding things like you got today. I'd love to find a Varney with the 7 pole super motor, or any Varney steamer really! That should make a great running engine
The Varney Berk is a neat engine for a project. All you need to find is a trailing truck to make it complete.
It’s crazy the amount of locomotives and railcars damaged or abandoned from projects. One issue is we never know how many railcars the locomotive can actually pull until it’s too late, and also wear on gearing without maintenance.
Looking forward to seeing the repair videos for this bunch.
A great way to tell the difference between GP38's and GP40's is that a GP38 has two rear radiator fans while the GP40 has three. I also have a Bachmann F unit that I am repairing which had its motor in good condition when I got it.
Very cool Harrison! By the way, that Soo Line F unit A-B set appears to be from an early to mid 2000s run (2003-08 time frame) and were essentially equipped the same drive train as the blue box F units. They were then re released with the JST "quick plug" not long after and were eventually moved down to Athearn's Roundhouse line a couple of years ago and were upgraded with the 21 pin plug and LED lighting. Athearn has also announced matching 3 packs of passenger cars for the current road names offered. As for the CN "Daylight" GS-4, it seems like I've seen one of these before although I can't recall where exactly. I just can't wait till the next live stream when you run that locomotive just so I can see the SP fans blow up the chat typing in all caps "ITS CURSED!!!".😆
I REALLY need to put this place on my "bucket list"! My wife will gripe, but hey....
Merrickville is a beautiful place, whenever I go there all the ladies head off to the shops throughout the town and I head off to the train store.
@@SMTMainline Yea...that sounds 100% normal. My wife is the same way - even more when we're with our daughter...
I wish we had stores like that in central EU! In fact I don't think we still have a pure (trains only) store anymore, most I've been at recently had a side business too. The Mediker is 50% LEGO now , one other became a huge RC model distributor, the old store near the eastern station is half the size now (and no longer sales antique books, only antique toys, but it always ben) and the one in the "Allee mall" sales air-soft and self-diffense guns (of all things, beside trains).
People just can't afford train models anymore (not like they ever really could here), and 2nd hand stores, and cheap brands are mostly completely gone.
The Lionel GS-4 actually predates Bachmans. Kader produced the Lionel engines, the used the same basic design for the Bachmans after they bought them out.
Is there any difference in terms of reliability?
I'm talking late 70s early 80s during the early part of the General Mills/MPC era, so not much, but the drivers are held together with screws and are physically quartered on the axels which helps. Also, the motor is a part of the chassis, no using a spare Bachman flat motor, an finding a brush holder/cover is nearly impossible, but the Lionel armature is nearly as robust as the Tyco power torque, so if the cover is good and the insulation between the frame halves are good you stand good chance of getting a fair running loco. Good luck, if you like to tinker with them it can be a lot of fun , frustrating, but fun.
The steam locomotive box looked like a scrap yard! What a haul! I found the CN daylight interesting because CN was not known for famous streamlined locomotives.
That’s some pretty bizarre ho scale steam locomotives including that Lionel gs4 Canadian national 4-8-4 to me it’s unusual I would agree on it.
Those mallets are quite good locomotives if you take the time to take them apart and completely service them, i have only ever seen one for sale besides on ebay. The one that i saw was at my local model railroad store and i was able to get an absolute steal. I payed $80 dollars for it instead on the $120 they were asking for it because of a 40% off deal on all ho items at the time. It is a great locomotive that i use often on my model railroad.
Awesome found 🚂👍🚃
Thanks Harrison for sharing!!
All I can say is why would anyone repaint that GS4... Train Sacrilege. Well, Harrison, that vintage Varney was the deal of the day. It sure has character -- just clean her up a bit, a little lubrication, a trailing set of wheels and she'll be riding the rails.
Thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍
It doesn't look bad, I just understand why they chose CN.
He could have been trying to make a War Baby when they were all painted black or maybe a GS-6 model, that were always all black and Western Pacific also bought because they were power starved in the war.
I had a Black Steam loco , named 'Hiawatha' ... That would be old now. I remember it had a headlight, was like magic when I was a kid. Eventually I broke it, like most of my stuff. What a Knob i was.. 😁👍😎
Great video and nice pick ups, thanks for sharing
It's nice to see young people involved with preservation of the past. Especially when the preservation is period correct. You can tell this guy has a deep appreciation for the history of model railroading... 💯 cool 😎
Several years ago, I picked up a Bachmann Plus that the seller said would not run. 25 plush shipping. I got it and inside was a Spectrum. Plugged in the Tender and it ran like a top! I still have it. Probably an estate buyer and didn't know what he had.
Your Heart is In the Right Place Harrison. Keep on fixing and Your passion Strong And Always Remember SERENITY!
ngl, that repainted GS4 in the beginning looked pretty sharp
They didn't do an awful job, it's just a strange locomotive.
I have a Bachmann Daylight with an axle that cracked on its own. This was before super glue, and I'm hoping to fix it some day.
They can be a real challenge.
Great trains and can’t wait to see you get them running in tip top shape again 👍
Wow smt that was a good train find 😁👍
Model railroading heaven is to find a train store like that. Model railroading hell is to go home with a basket of locomotives like that. You must have the patience of a saint to attempt a repair on all those dogs.
Southern Pacific had Lima build 28 GS-4s. SP GS-4s looked great in bicentennial colors as well as daylight colors. That locomotive ( 4449 ) also pulled the 1976 American Freedom Train on its West Coast leg. It ( 4449 ) was also utilized for the movie Tough Guys in the mid 1980's starring Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas. Doyle McCormick was the engineer in that movie 🎥. ☺ ☺
Burt seemed to have a way with starring in movies with a lot of train action
@@DaimosZ The Train ( 1965 ) also in the opening scene in Bird Man of Alcatraz ( 1962 ) he shares the scene with an Alco S2 coming up behind him on the San Francisco Dock complete with Alco sounds of bell, air horn, and McIntosh & Seymour 539 prime mover.
Great lot smt I'm a big fan of that diecast locomotive you got really really cool btw of course you're going to restore all of the locomotives you got in the Lot cuz if you got to restore your grandmother's Hiawatha then you could clearly restore these locomotives. Have a good day SMT
Nice to see a normal young fellow with a good hobby now days.
What a shame someone painted the Daylight all black. The two-tone orange is one of the coolest train paint schemes there is, in my opinion. My had had an HD layout in the 1950s and 60s. His favorite locomotives and cars were the Daylight and Daylight Special, which is our "local" train here in Northern California.
HI ! Im a 71 year old man , my name is steve and i had HO trains years ago thats neat and lucky you came a cross all those parts and trains, I would like too have garden trains I hate too ask but if
Cold war stuff always looks creepy now, don't worry it's coming back into fashion real soon
I sure hope not lol
I honestly really think that the CN recolor fits very nicely.
Edit: For the Bachmann CN GP40, I actually have a BN painted version that somewhat runs.
It looks great but it's still pretty strange.
During WW2, Southern Pacific and Western Pacific both painted their GS-4 and GS-6 locos Flat Black, or possibly a semi gloss so as to not reflect any lights while running, to make it harder to see from an enemy ship off the coast. To the best of my knowledge, WP engines were always black, SP painted theirs for the war. Most were repainted after the war. There are only two GS series engines left a GS-4, #4449, and a GS-6, preserved in a park somewhere here in California.
@@stephendollahan425 4460 is the GS 6 and its actually in Missouri
@@yeoldeseawitch you are right, I was thinking about a different locomotive. Is it at the National Museum of Transportation outside of St Louis??
1:09 the chassis with Kato on the tank would be Atlas RS11/RS3. The shell though is Canadian RS18, my guess is maybe someone filled in the number board notches on the Atlas shell, or used a conversion kit.
1:20 the BB SW7 has a Kaslo (could be wrong on the maker) conversion kit with the Canadian number boards on the hood.
2:10 the Lionel GP30 is the Kader-made one that later would be a Bachmann piece.
3:05 the Champion car was made by Cox
4:20 the Rivarossi Hudson looks like it has the wrong tender with it, I see the top of a B&O Vanderbilt from a 2-10-2. If it was cheap I'd have bought the whole thing just for the tender.
5:20 looks like a box of all Varney, I would likely have bought the whole works. The one with the odd motor I think Varney called the V4, with the long snout on it.
The Daylight is the same deal as the GP30. Made by Kader for Lionel. Lionel was famous for having other people make their HO trains, and they contracted with Kader to make some things in the 1970s. When Lionel quit, the items went to Bachmann. I'm not sure the full history but I believe currently Kader owns Bachmann and produces all of their models.
9:10-ish. That's absolutely a Varney. $50 CAD probably isn't bad for what's there, the tenders I have sold for $20-$30 USD alone. It's missing a trailing truck but I'm sure you can find one. The bronze boiler dates it to post-WWII, they sold them through most of the 1950s.
Yes, those early Kader drives are pretty common for zincpest.
The story on the Life-Like is that was a Penn Line shell. Varney got it when they bought out Penn Line in 1964, but only four years later they were bought out by Life-Like and the die-cast things were sold to Bowser. It was sold for at least 25 years as a Life-Like engine, with several drive variations.
SW7 is a pseudo SW1200RS which had a light package-number board fairing front and rear and ran on Flecicoil trucks. CN and CP had miles of light duty branches in the prairie provinces they couldn't abandon and made no economic sense to upgrade. So, they bought many light road switchers- RS1's, GMD1's, FM H12-46's. Eventually, the manufacturers dropped these models and road equipped switchers were purchased for this duty. "An SW1200RS (RS for Road Switcher) is a variation of the standard SW1200 that features large front and rear (on some units) numberboard housings, EMD Flexicoil B-B trucks, and larger fuel tanks for road switcher service. The majority of the Canadian National and Canadian Pacific SW1200 fleets were purchased as SW1200RS units. SW1200RS units were produced near the end of SW1200 production in the mid 1960s" SW1200RS with railroad installed spark arrestors donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr1301/cn1244.jpg
I cannot wait for you to work on the creepy locomotive and the other one you bought. Lots of projects for sure. That is so cool that you are going to work on all those others and take them back to the store for them to be available to other people. Such a great Good Samaritan, act of kindness. But I am not surprised. Thank you for being you. 💕😊💕
Thanks. I think these locomotives will all make for great projects, provided I get them going again.
@@SMTMainline I believe in you
Interesting finds for the locomotives. Like many railroads the Southern Pacific called their 4-8-4 locomotives another name instead of the White classification name of "Northern". In the case of the Southern Pacific these were called "General Service" and not "Daylight". Daylight was the name given to the daytime and premier passenger trains instead of the locomotive that hauled them. While GS locomotives with the streamlined casing on the top of the boiler were painted black none of these had the side streamlining panels like this one. There were also other GS classes without any of the streamlining. The Southern Pacific also streamlined and painted some 4-6-2s for the San Joaquin Daylight.
Nice old Varney and I LOVE the Champion box car. Can't wait to see that locomotive running.
I think I wanna add it to my collection. Most of my Outboards use Champion spark plugs.
I miss hobby shops over here in england... They have to have a great one near me, 1 3rd of the shop was taken up by a gorgeous gravel pit diorama, had hornby's smokey joe on it and a few diesel engines. Just mobile phones, jewelry and cloths now -_-.
Thank you for this interesting video. Many years ago, before I got into 1 1/2 inch 'live steam', I did quite a bit of HO/HOn3. I also purchased, back then, a couple of Bowser chassis replacement kits for Backman locomotives. One that I still have, has a chassis replacement kit for a Backman N&W class 'J' that I installed in it As I recall, after some tuning up, it ran very nicely with the Bowser kit in it. Thanks again for the interesting video.
7:57 The daylight you have here they probably painted it black but there's a kind of daylight that is that exact same color but just not used today. The variant is called "Wartime Black" and as the name suggests, it was used during wartime.
Awesome video lots of projects 🚂❤️😎👍
@SMT mainline the freight version of the Daylight Locomotives in real life were painted black so the owner probably bought an undecorated locomotive added a Canadian National Decals to the Tender
That Lionel Canadian Pacific gp30 is a bachmann era Lionel. It does have a can-motor. I have one like that in the Burlington Northern paint scheme.
The daylight was not painted over there was a paint style called war baby which was solid black. Still cool to find
2:50 that red British Railways brake van caught my eye
I missed that
I have 1 shop that's lasted forever like this.. so lucky today
You keep saying "decoder" .. I don't mean to play dense - but I'm one of those who enjoys looking at the hobby and acknowledging the massive amount of art, hours, and effort that people have put into their setups without much actual knowledge. So for us pedestrians .. What does that mean?
Lol .. I heard you mention Rapido .. I bought a `new look` transit bus from them (I`m a bus nerd) a few years ago to sit on my electronics bench. I`m still absolutely stunned by the quality and detail. one day I hope to add a Budd RDC-2.
1:03 Hmm I see some cool stuff as a diecast collector in this box, vintage majorette buses and yatming semi trucks! :) 0:47 oh oh a Swift freight car, may increase the chances of crashes if putted on a train... Love the steam locomotives you bought, excellent choise!
Nice catches
Thanks for taking the time and effort making these videos...I really enjoy seeing the variety of items and I especially got a kick out of this video @6:49 was one of the Cp rail engines my Dad bought for me back in 1977..awesome.
I'm still a sucker for a box lot too😋🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🇨🇦🙋
They're the best
I think the Black Lionel Daylight is trying to be a CN U-1 or U-4 stand in, presumably because there weren’t any models of them at the time.
I LOVE how that old bare brass looks!
Hi SMT. Wow i am looking forward to seeing you do those repairs. My favorite one is the brass steam engine. The Bachmann GP 40 I'm 100% familiar with since i have had this engine since 1986 or 1987. That LIONEL ex- SOUTHERN PACIFIC DAYLIGHT/ ex AMERICAN FREEDOM TRAIN maybe a BACHMANN built. Bachmann was making trains in HO scale for LIONEL. I will be staying tuned for these up coming project & repairs.
Hopefully I can get the Lionel running. Those Bachmann steam locomotives from the 80s can be a challenge
I was not expecting that locomotive to run.
Super tes vidéos 💪. Je te regardes depuis la Belgique 🇧🇪 et je suis fan du matériel américain c’est donc un grand plaisir pour moi de te regarder.
Super videos 💪. I'm watching you from Belgium 🇧🇪 and I'm a fan of American material so it's a great pleasure for me to watch you.
I love that old K4 well I don't love about it is the way it just seems to stare into your soul
It's kinda eerie but I really like that about it.
not the usual channel i end up on at all.. but, I think You are definitely in a hobby that is blessed by the modern technology of "3D printing" I'm sure a lot of those old units have parts (gears and internals and such) that have fallen completely out of production and are prolly almost impossible to find,... but fortunately there are "printing mediums" today that have surprising tenacity and that I'm sure will enable You to replace impossible to find parts. Well done keeping a hobby alive that i'm sure has fallen off the most popular list! Good Luck!
Got excited when I saw the Rivarossi 2882 . I have one on display that I inherited from my father . Great video . Just subscribed !
Thanks for the sub!
The creepy steam locomotive I think some one was trying to build a Western Maryland railway 4-8-4 Potomac with it as it had the correct boiler front and the headlight is the correct style and is in the correct location
That's good to know
If I had to guess, the Daylight was repainted into CN for a stand in for CN U-1f Bullet-Nose Betty. Off the top of my head a U-1f has only been made in brass.
Irresponsible amount of locomotives? No such thing exists.
70s Lionel GS4 could have been either Daylight livery or AFT livery though IIRC Bachmann did release it in the war baby livery at one point as well.
The " creepy " locomotive has a definite CB&Q O5 feel to it.
that creepy locomotive appears to be some kind of 2-8-4 Berkshire(pronounced Berk-shure, I used to pronounce it Berk-shire until I found out) that's lost it's trailing truck. that should be a simple fix, just grab a four-wheel trailing truck from a similar locomotive of the same model company
I will have to find parts for it.
Nice looking HO Trains👍♐️
That brass one locomotive is in my favourite list now!
That incomplete 4-6-2 was a Varney, and it looked like the previous owner was detailing it to an SP P-8 pacific
In my opinion, in the 1970's-80's, I wouldn't have even crossed the street, to buy a Bachmann (Botch-man) locomotive! The first decent steam loco they made, was the Spectrum 2-8-0. But even it had a bad DCC ready board, that could '"fry" a decoder!
Most of Bachmann's older engines, parts are NO longer available for! You're fairly safe buying the newer "DCC Ready" engines, and even some of those, they have discontinued some parts, when they sold out!
JWB
The Varney is a 2-8-4 and you got a fantastic deal on it. The SP 4449 was black in the 2000s when it was chartered by the BNSF to pull special trains.
I'd thought the all black paint scheme existed many years prior. It held the freedom train colours after 2002 in honor of the victims of September 11th.
The black paint was WW2 to when it was pulled out of Oaks park in 1975. It is funny the excursion career has been way longer than it's service time on the roster.
I can understand that the older Bachmann locos don't work well, but I have a Bachmann EMD F7 out of a train set that runs beautifully on my layout. Maybe if they're restored they'd have that same capability.
Got me thinking of getting back into trains. Had a 4x8 plywood track with double loops with one going into a raised styrofoam mountain tunnel .
The rivvosrisi 2-8-8-2 is very common at shows in America
AHM imported and sold what seems like about a million of them.
I wasn't aware they were so common, I don't recall seeing them at train shows here.
@@SMTMainline all over the place in Ohio atleats I think they are more popular because more people around here bought them
@@SMTMainline I don't know that they're super common but they did sell a lot. Typically a nice one in the box is $75-$125. Life-Like made a better model of the same locomotive in their Proto 2000 line some years ago which made these a little less desirable.
That Varney is definitely a western Maryland j1 Potomac. Nice find!
Notch 8 Sorry, but you are wrong It's a freelanced Varney 2-8-4 from the Cretacious Era, hoseeker.net/assemblyexplosionvarney/varney284berkshirerigidframepg01.jpg With a bit of imagination and Cal Scale and Kemtron Parts, you could make something both unique and impressive
Ah you are right. I completely forgot the j1 was a northern and not a berk, thank you
The daylight never was a Canadian engine, but it still runs in Portland Oregon. Your brass special needs a trailing truck. Should have bought the hobbytown GP9, and you could have sprayed it with dullcoat.
Good luck. Plenty to keep you busy.
Never a dull moment
Not bad for an old HO loco from the 50s. Kinda reminds me of some of the 50s Lionel stuff. Build great and most of it still runs with with maintenance.
When i was younger i had the american versions union pacific and bsnf etc then i had some ww2 variations too wish i kept them but those 50s i would put in a museum pieces for a collector
Some good comments here how Lionel went into HO again around 1975 but using things like the GS4 made by Kader in Hong Kong for them.
After Lionel ditched HO again in a short time, Kader items became available again as Bachmann with new items using the same drive system.
Kader produced similar drive design steam for Mainline Railways in the UK starting around 1976.
All these impressed most with how good they looked for the time but the limitations of the split chassis and plastic axle drive wheels caused problems later.
Pancake motor has a lot in common with the 1964 Thunderjet Aurora slot cars often called HO but mostly 1/64 th so S scale. Not a great motor for slot cars and even worse for heavy trains.
thats a great idea someone can get some enjoyment out of them!
Don't forget the brass contacts inside that need cleaning more often than the wheels. The problem with old Bachmann steam locos is the wheels get loose from the axles and bind up the rods. There is no fix that works because the drive wheels are powered with the side rods connected to one geared axle. Stay away from them unless you want a shelf display.
4:20 that black steam locomotive you just picked up is probably a New York central Hudson
That brass/diecast engine you got reminds me of a tarantula or a fuzzy spider, thats the vibe I get from that, especially with that beady eye of a headlight
Maybe that's why it has a creepy look to it.
Very cool locomotives, very cool vid!!
Thanks
Great video! That brass engine looks like it could be turned into a 2-8-4 Berkshire steam engine. Just add a track with two axles to the back and a few things and it would be pretty close
That’d be cool, maybe paint it up as Nickel Plate Road or something.
7:06 Tyco RS-23
Judging by the cab
That 4-8-4 GS4 is either a Fantasy scheme or a "what if..." good find! That Bachmann CP Rail #1412 is a F9A. It has 5 louvers.
Someone's unusual project.
@@SMTMainline Now apart of the Historic collection of the Canadian Train Rebuilder's Organization....SMT
"CREEPY," but Collector's Dreams! "How much do you want for it?!"
Years ago, I took two older life like locomotives, and modified the frame so as to accept the pancake motors on both ends and wired them together. It ran well.
I’ve heard of people doing similar things with Tyco motors. It’s an interesting idea, Bachmann and Lima did make a few locomotives which had two pancake drives from the factory.