"EARLY" DISMANTLING OF SO INSTABLE CONSTRUCTIONS
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- čas přidán 21. 06. 2018
- Commissioning of the Safe Confinement infrastructure is planned in the nearest future. New Safe Confinement, among the many different systems, is equipped with a main cranes system, intended, among other, for unstable building constructions dismantling.
FRÜHES "DEMONTIEREN VON SO INSTABILEN KONSTRUKTIONEN - Věda a technologie
man i really hope they film this process as its a once in a life time event that Needs to be recorded
I agree, but the radiation level might make any electronics fail once they 'open' the old structure
@@jasonhaynes2952 waiting for the moment of openning the old sarcophagus!
@@jasonhaynes2952 nope, there is footage from inside the sarcophagus. People have been inside and walked around without getting I'll.
@@Matt_10203 Yes, that's true but there are still areas that need to be avoided. It's not as dangerous as it was, but that doesn't mean it's safe to be there.
I wanted to comment the same
Please show more of the dismantling, very interesting to see
Don't worry about that they have many more decades of cleaning to do
They will dismantle it at least 10 more times, because its a good way how to launder big amounts of money. Just make a video how its unstable, and everyone will believe that.
if EBRD is involved, you can know for sure its all corruption. This EBRD ruined Latvian economy through bank frauds together with Latvian government
I hope they do a time lapse like they did when the arch was being built. Amazing to watch I reckon.
Thank you for the English presentation.
@fred At least he's done it
The only word I can think of to describe this video is "captivating."
I've been fascinated with the new safe confinement for years, and been following the project. This is engineer porn for nerds lol, can't almost believe this is possible. I wonder: how many years until they reach the melted core? And until it's completely removed and stored in a permanent place? I hope we will somehow be able to follow the progress over time...
I've heard decades.
Agreed on all points! :) As to following the progress, and when everything is scheduled to be finished? I won't assume anyone else's age or potential longevity, but at 52, I'm fairly certain that I won't be around for the latter parts of the project. A good YT video I've watched presents a lot of summarized information (czcams.com/video/hf2-AXTVnvU/video.html), and, according to that timeline, the decommissioning of all units at ChNPP is currently scheduled to be completed in 2064. Big projects with a forecast that far out can tend to go over ... sometimes WAY over. So stay healthy, everyone! :)
Very well put.. that’s exactly what this is: “Engineer Porn”
Agree, the happening of this disaster is very black point in history, but tough Nuclear energy is very interesting. They can reach the melted core "quite easily" however, the old sarcophagus roof needs to be removed, and then it's impossible to work for human being due to the very high roentgen. Beside this, there is a lot of sand, lead and other stuff on top of the 50% turned reactor. The angle is one of the hundreds of risks in the endless project.
I hope this is livestreamed like with the NSC construction. :-)
i really want so see what the reactor inside looks today
Andre Remus once you get the lid out of the way it’s mostly an empty shaft
Ye nothing much to see there....besides if you have watched the old documentaries where they show the destroyed reactor hall/core, I would imagine it has stayed pretty much the same since then...but ye it would be interesting to like timelapse from inside one day and see the change when they remove all of the old sarcophagus structure and the debri. Ofc this in my understanding will not happen in short time frame, but its going to take quite many years, or decades to dismantle the whole damn thing since obviously the radiation levels there are still very high....so while much of the work is done remotely, some things they still have to do obviously manually. And there is really no reason to hurry it up as safety comes first and now that the Safe Confinement is in place, they have "all the time in the world" to get the job done.
In my understanding they should now be finalizing the work with the Safe Confinement building to actually start dismantling the old sacrophagus sometime next year.
it has a giant beam of light that can grant you any wish you ask.
@@jasonmurawski5877 with an "Elephants Foot" at the bottom!
Ever get the feeling this is opening up "Pandora's Box" and a "Can of Worm's" all at the same time?
what's a "can of worm is"?
Amazing engineering!
This is like the ultimate real-life version of those claw machine games you see at arcades and shopping malls.
Thank you.
Gotta take some pictures of the reactor! Would be incredible to see with modern day cameras.
Good thing to uncover the sarcophagus not only because it would collapse but also if people were planning to go a trip inside the new sarcophagus they would be able to see the true face of the damaged reactor from the inside of the new one
In the shielded lead cabin thing
Fascinating on all levels.
Great video
Dismantling of the shelter object is just the beginning. Dismantling the reactor, itself, (and clearing the rubble) is going to be a nightmare.
Uh... the reactor is not one piece. Yeah... this is going to be a problem,
@@heathbauerle2787 They will use plasma cutters it will be removed, or else it may go boom for all world
How far along is this process and what will be done regarding the corium fuel? Amazing to see the work you have done and thank you from the world for all you do.
No doubt these videos of the Chernobyl cleanup have seen an uptick in views in the last few weeks. I wonder why......
Probably one of the best things about the "Chernobyl" mini series :-) nobody cared about the plant anymore and no nobody can stop talkin about it !
@@ChuckomoHo wonder if the next mini series will be Fukushima. 3 mile island was coincidentally just days after a fictional movie, "the China Syndrome" came out.
before HBO's chernobyl's series came out... people kept referring to fukushima.
now which is worse? fukushima or Chernobyl? in my mind, chernobyl was worse the core was exposed and on fire. and doesnt help that rescue team that first responded wasn't given adequate warning and protection.
fukushima might be leaking radioactive water but they have managed to reduce it by a great margin, 300 tons to 83 tons.
Fukushima might be able to clear out the damaged reactor faster than chernobyl. i'm sure what Fukushima learns can also help chernobyl.
alot of the audio is lost due to the stupid copyright crap i mean seriously youtube come on this is important stuff here
My only concern is what happens when they unravel the structure and expose the damaged reactor core?
1: How log is this supposed to take?
2: What happens when the "Temporary Storage Area" is full?
3: where is the "Permanent Storage Area" located at?
This will take a couple year, the temp storage is large enough, and there is no perm storage, its cleaned and then they might recycle or bury it.
1. As long as it takes.....problems are expected along the way that will require solutions
2. They will move the waste from the internal temp storage to the outside permanent underground storage....and the fuel/graphite to a Nuc/waste facility
3. adjacent to the NPP........its considered a wasteland now anyway, so there is no point moving it to another area.
@@histopixelfilms6778 Will the remove everything (including the "elephant foot") or just the old sarcophagus?
@@ChuckomoHo They will also remove the "Elephant Foot" as part of the fuel and graphite cleanup.....it will go into the same place as the other waste fuel storage.
How do you remove molten and hardened radioactive lava that has merged with concrete?!
what if some of the bridge crane fails or got stuck somehow? would they need 3 man to go down there cuz that is what has to be done?
@Hermann Goering great answer sir :D
bongo155 well, there’s a reason why it still needs a shelter... it has decreased but it’s still pretty dangerous.... some elements will decay in hundreds of years... not 40
If you watch current videos of work inside the new safe confinement you can see people working. They even have special concrete boxes they stand and sit in at break time to help limit their exposure.
Kirk Hermary the type of works they are doing these days are not related to the more contaminated zones, so you can’t take this as an example
@@gufoscuro damn you are picky. Well then look at footage after the incident where liquidators used shovels and their hands to get fuel containing mass back into the reactor area from the roof. They tried to use technology and in the end they had to rely on irradiating man after man to carry on.
Glad this was done, if the old one collapsed it would be bad.
Not done yet.
The contamination of the decommissioning building interior and crane is going to be a significant issue going forward I just hope theres some kind of remote wash down system and drainage able to cope with the radioactive washings.
Well done guys! Now remove that demonic thing and clean up this mess.. and lets hope that this never gonna hapen again
nice job
What after they will dismantle old construction ? They will get inside and what next ? How people can operate inside ? What if cranes have failure ?
When he say "Manual Operations" he means, men in protective suits will do the work by hand..........the cranes and its attachments can only do so much, and then man himself must go in.......its pretty safe as long as you dont make to much dust etc or stay in to long.....the whole structure is just to protect the outside world while dismantling is taking place......from dust and wind etc.
That temporary storage area is probably the second most radioactive area in the Ukraine, but it's only temporary. What happens to it next? Where does it go, and what do they do with it?
Very interesting presentation. I am curious how the Upper Biological Shield is going to be dealt with, given that it weighs about 1000 tons. Maybe some combination of the air plasma cutter for the steel plates and then the remote crushing tool for the concrete parts.
Pretty right, but they will drill and fracture the concrete parts just like hard rock mining.
I thought the upper biological shield was destroyed
@@ONEIL311 Hi. it was blown up into the air and came back down,
and sort of landed sideways back into the cavity where the reactor once was
@@histopixelfilms6778 Genuinely curious, I know nothing about this stuff; are these drills you're talking about something like a jackhammer, except it would be on a robot arm?
Theres going to be all sorts of accidents that happen during this dismantling
this is amazing
The video is good and feeds my curiosity well. Please make another video explaining how the damaged reactor and fuel containing masses would be dislodged and disposed of. Also, it would be nice if you guys ccould hire a native speaker to do the narrating.
I wonder if when find that dude that’s buried in there they will announce it.
Most likely he'll never be found as there's a good chance he was practically vaporized immediately by the explosion
I understand the radiation concerns but I feel like it's so sad to see the dismantling of this pieace of History. Especially with the other 3 reactors. I think they should stop the dismantling process and see this as a historical site.
I luv this vid and would verry much like a part 2. The sound of the video is a bit messed up tho.
So they’re gonna deconstruct the reactor 4 building?
Just the old sarcophagus and anything that could collapse
How did percent of this task was concluded?
Shall build the tank to fill water to control radio active
it will be very expensive, and much harder to control (because of the basement, and hundreds of pipes) than to just dismantle it.
ok so far... but the hook s gonna need some steel cables. How they gonna be able to catch the parts without any human help to stabilize the contaminated part?
probably people will do it, the most radioactive materials already decayed enough to people aproach Medusa/Elephant Foot with tools to gather samples. The biggest problem is radioactive dust, and preventing digestion of it.
@@WolfKenneth In only 33 years? I'm not too sure about that.
@@corazoncubano5372 yes in 33 years. Most high decay elements are long gone. Iodine 131 has a half life of 8.02 days, Strontium 90 - 28 years, Caesium 131 - 30 years.
Rule of thumb is the shorter the half life, the less radioactive. More decays of atoms means more emissions, but a shorter half life. The foot will be one of the last things to go. And by then itll be alot less active.
Will people be inside this structure while work is carried out or is everything done by the cranes?
What happens if a crane fails? Does routine maintenance by workers need to be carried out on the cranes?.
I am also wondering about that :)
Think the crane is both radiation shielded as well as remote controlled. Not sure about stuff that clearly would need the help of a human worker like fastening the crane to bits for removal.
It'll be harder to justify sending in humans inside the NSC once the old Soviet "sarcophagus" has been dismantled and removed with the burnt out reactor unit exposed to the wider interior of the NSC.
When he say "Manual Operations" he means, men in protective suits will do the work by hand..........the cranes and its attachments can only do so much, and then man himself must go in.......its pretty safe as long as you dont make to much dust etc or stay in to long.....the whole structure is just to protect the outside world while dismantling is taking place......from dust and wind etc.
what can go wrong right?
Yes. It's under another shelter that would contain any dust or debris.
Why do I get the feeling that this task has been described in such detail, because this task could take many years and many many rotations of work teams to complete?
did this already happen?
The glaringly difficult part to me is that these plans were incredibly difficult to find on the internet and they only show the early phase of dismantling the sarcophagus. Those cranes have a 50-ton capacity and there are items in the pit that far exceed that limit so my question becomes is there really not a plan??
So it's like playing Mikado, just with a bit more radiation?
there you go as easy as that
what could possibly go wrong
When does this start ? I’m really interested
It has already started. They started in 2017 I think it was.
It's in place now
The upper biological shield is a giant concrete disk that weighs 1,000 tons, how are they going to dismantle and move that?
Bulging Battery cut and remove in pieces
@@PatrickMeloModesto With cutting lasers?
Bulging Battery nah drills and such. Kind of like rock mining
The old sarcophagus is at imminent risk of collapse, disassembly has to begin as soon as possible.
Yes, I think they know that already considering that it's their job.
Seriously though thanks for saving the planet. All 17k of us up to this point are watching you guys use your newfangled European soccer socialism to save the planet. We're all grateful.
shield the core around 40mm leadglass and open the doors for tours.
u need more like 3m
@@eliasnikolaivonheimtrondse4424 none of that will stop a gamma ray.
На фоне арки четвертый блок выглядит ребенком.
ну а в чём проблема построить пустую- ебалу, которая не умеет делать ничего сравнимого по полезности с выработкой гигаватта/час электроэнергии?
Мне интересно как они будут выгребать весь доломит и свинец с реактора!
Оо вы из Англии)
Powersurges and loud thunder I hate those👺😤😵😰
i bet this channel will "blow up" someday
sorry for that dark af joke
po ruski mog govorit.. ocen slisno akcent :) no ty molodec sposibo tebe za tvoji storanja :)
and whats next what about the core how you will dismantal what my biggest question
it will be just cut up with remote tooling and put into shielded containers and moved to a nuclear waste facility.
@@histopixelfilms6778robots usually dont work at such high levels of radiation
@@skypowergb3842 the process will be a remote control procedure, not so much a robotic one, human operators will control remote tools etc.
@6 6 you're overthinking it. Basically just remote input controls. Very simple, unsophisticated electronics that are more resistant to radiation
It's the microchips that get fried. You can make basic electronics without the need for that. Controlled simply by electronic signals down wires to actuators. No need for fancy components
Хоть і англійська норм , але чогось згадав - "Сокіабле" )))
when will this work start?
They're doing it already.
Гладко было на модели...
I hope they find the wishgranter
This is going to take years. There is thousands of tons of debris inside the old sarcophagus. They should've filled the whole thing with cement back in 86. I still feel bad for khodemchyk.
How does one get involved in working on this ?
Find an operational RBMK-1000 reactor. Then, when nobody is looking....
Joseph Astier 😂
Move to Ukraine, then I'm pretty sure you have to get a job with the government. Probably having prior nuclear industry experience or at the very least some sort of history in haz-mat remediation would likely help. Try emailing them.
Did you guys get a copyright strike?
I were be a good dark joke if you guys have put an crashes mi-8 inside the ruins of the the reactor
let me speak from my heart
thats the theory of something never done before.
lets hear what reality has to say...
*UNstable.
Have you find khodemchuk or not
This looks like a project that could take 100 years. Workers cannot get in there. Any minor problem means building a special robotic arm to resolve. Yikes!
Most of the steps in this video require technicians to enter the Confinement and sling pieces of structure to the crane hook - there's as lot of manual work to be done. It isn't that dangerous - the Confinement was built because there likely will be some form of collapse of the old Shelter Object, and that risk is very high.
They can get in there lmao, do you think the building just sits empty? There are people inside the building working every day.
@@Matt_10203 really? how long are they allowed to stay in there before they exceed their dose?
@@AbbeyRoad69147 days at a time if you need, it just depends on where you are. inside the reactor hall, 2-5 ours before you get nausea, outside like 10 meters away from the sarcophagus, id-say about a week. it just depends.
radiation levels in the actual reactor hall of unit 4 remain quite high, but it is not impossible to get there. Staff of the plant went inside when needded. A former plant employee, went inside many times and took pictures. (he also runs his own channel on YT) He said in an interview that he and his colleague would usually go for 10-15 minutes at a time for filming.
Ваш мультфильм смехотворен. Когда начнут разбирать саркофаг, резко ухудшится радиоактивная обстановка под аркой, рабочему персоналу находиться в таких условиях придется очень ограниченное время, но не это проблема. Куда вы будете вывозить все эти фонящие рентгенами железяки? В вашем мультике ни на один вопрос нет ответа
Not great, not terrible design
Чому українська версія коротша за англійську?
Very interesting! somewhere to watch wthout the annoying interruption in good music imo? f*cking youtube and their copyright shit these days!!
yay english
I wonder is the ucranian people can manage the "project" now...
ShazamMafia I’m wondering if Russia put any money into this whole operation? Oh that’s right, they are broke. Nevermind
@@randomoldguy3967 the money comes from donations...form EbRD,
All of the super powers in the world including U.S. put in money to clean up , in addition to private companies.
If I have to listen to much more of this robotic narration my brain will be slung onto the Eastern crane and moved to the Temporary. Storage. Area.
Лондон из зе кэпитал оф грейт британ)))
Texture quality: very low
Not great, not terrible english
Made of shit metal.
Вот почему не залить это всё бетоном, как предлагалось неоднократно? Несколько сотен тысяч кубов бетона не такая уж проблема, будет монолитный кубик, который останется там навечно. Но надо разворушить всё это, вытянуть, чтобы похоронить в другом месте опять же навечно. В чём смысл этого бреда?
Хотя я догадываюсь...
Был ответ на данный вопрос в книге. Остывание и набирание прочности таким монолитом займет более 100 лет, а температура внутри будит очень высока, и под такими температурами прочность конструкции не будет гарантированна.
@@TheRPGminer Вы имеете ввиду химическую реакцию в самом бетоне?
New safe confinement lifespan: aprox. 100 years. Half life time of radioactive materials inside: aprox 30000 years. Good luck with that one.
the purpose of the new containment structure is just so they can safely deconstruct the old, unstable structure without releasing radioactive dust into the atmosphere. The problem with the old structure is, that it was partly build on the debris of the reactorbuilding and no one knows how stable or unstable it is. If it would collapse, it would send a radioactive cloud of dust (fallout) into the atmosphere. The NCS ist climate controlled and has its own ventilation system. After they removed the old shelter they can, as far as its safe, clean up the debris, seal it and make it as safe as possible for the environment. That should be doable in
@@TheForrestMaster yes this is totally correct......it should all be over even with the problems they expect in a max 40-50 years......it may even be much sooner if all goes well......however it will never be redeveloped in our or our kids lifetime, as the site will also contain the Nuclear waste dump for all the disposed materials.
That's not how radiation works hahaha
Longer half lives = less radiation due to less nuclear decays
Basic science yo
For chernobyl that may be true but Japan is keen of cleaning Fukushima to point of removing all sings of human activity. They will make some fancy meadow at this place
That's nice but the decommissioning of the whole is a shame and you should be ashamed for it
Κώστας Λεούσης what Bro
U wot mate
Patrick Melo Modesto they should not decommission reactor 1,2,3 because it's part of a memorial
@@type2523 they have to decomission them, there were fuel elements in the cores. Plus not decommissioning them makes them a time bomb when they begin to decay over time, then eventually the radiation leaks out
@@type2523 RBMK reactors are very dangerous, and are very hard to maintain.
fuck sakes, what is that guys saying? cant understand a word?
There's no need for dismantling.
HE'S DELUSIONAL
get him to the enfermary
Why not just abandon the area forever? 1.8 billion to enclose the original confinement structure. Why not just leave it be?
Because abandoning the area is just putting a bandage over the old bandage. The original structure was built as a way to quickly seal off the radiation until it could be properly dealt with. And the new safe confinement is a way to properly deal with it.
If they just ignore it and leave it as is 100 years from now someone will have to fix the now decrepit new safe confinement. Burying a problem does not make it go away when we are talking about what lies in the centre of reactor 4.
Another thing to consider is if the area became abandoned it could very easily be weaponized if it fell into the wrong hands.
FloppyDriveMaestro very thorough answer from you. i just want to add, the sarcophagus was only planned or just save for 30 years. And might collapse in case of tornado or earthquake. they have to find a way to dismantle it.
Because the old sarcophagus will eventually collapsed exposing the reactor and its toxic fuel to the elements which would cause mass devastation throughout Eastern Europe.
Do you really want future weather reports to include "high chance of radioactive rain in your vicinity so be sure to stay indoors"?
Because its still highly radioactive...33 yrs is peanuts to the half-life of plutonium which is 25,000 yrs....that radiation could still kill half of europe.
вы два лярда потратили на стройку и не могли найти нормального диктора? ну серьезно. То есть это должна быть наша гордость?
Лет хим спик фром хиз харт
And it still hasn’t started. I’ve been waiting years for the start of this. Not looking good in the future