Discrete Math II - 5.2.1 Proof by Strong Induction

Sdílet
Vložit
  • čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
  • In this video we learn about a proof method known as strong induction. This is a form of mathematical induction where instead of proving that if a statement is true for P(k) then it is true for P(k+1), we prove that if a statement is true for all values from 1 to k (or whatever your starting value is), it is true for P(k+1).
    Video Chapters:
    Intro 0:00
    What is Strong Induction? 0:07
    Strong Induction with a Range of Values 1:12
    Strong Induction with Specific Values 9:29
    Up Next 16:14
    This playlist uses Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications, Rosen 8e
    Power Point slide decks to accompany the videos can be found here:
    bellevueuniversity-my.sharepo...
    The entire playlist can be found here:
    • Discrete Math II/Combi...
  • Krátké a kreslené filmy

Komentáře • 43

  • @valeriereid2337
    @valeriereid2337 Před rokem +18

    Literally, Professor Brehm saves the day every time. I got stuck wondering where do they get k>10 and came to this video and it is thoroughly explained. Not only that, now I fully understand strong induction.

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  Před rokem +3

      Thank you! Happy I could help!

    • @faraihnazar6994
      @faraihnazar6994 Před 7 měsíci +3

      I am still not getting it.Please helppppppppppppppppppppp

  • @JafarTheJackal
    @JafarTheJackal Před rokem +8

    This is the only strong induction video that make complete sense to me. Thank you for your explanation

  • @eclip1z
    @eclip1z Před rokem +3

    i have watched countless videos on this topic. This is by far the best explanation. I finally get it. thank YOU so much. subscribed so quick. I'm going to watch all of these videos. Absolutely amazing. Thank you Professor Brehm. I'm passing my exam.

  • @_f0xgl0ve
    @_f0xgl0ve Před rokem +10

    Your videos quite literally saved me from failing my discrete mathematics course. Thank you 🙏

  • @jingyiwang5113
    @jingyiwang5113 Před 8 měsíci

    I am really grateful for this wonderful explanation! I have been stuck at this point for a really long period of time. And I am very puzzled whenever Professor gives lecture. I finally understand it by watching your tutorial. Thank you so much!

  • @wilmercuevas6491
    @wilmercuevas6491 Před 3 měsíci +23

    I didnt understand anything

    • @voltonator7991
      @voltonator7991 Před měsícem +1

      I’m so cooked bro

    • @jorji6
      @jorji6 Před 27 dny +1

      bro me too. if i don't get a 90 in this final i don't pass the class

  • @punditgi
    @punditgi Před rokem +1

    Hurrah for these videos! 😄

  • @CrushOfSiel
    @CrushOfSiel Před 2 měsíci

    Very nice examples and explannation. I was having trouble figuring out which base cases to include but your explanation around 11:30 really helped me see. I'll probably always make a table with arrows now :).

  • @VeritasEtAequitas
    @VeritasEtAequitas Před rokem +6

    The prime example seems like circular logic since we assume P(j) for 2 ≤ j ≤ k but this isn't proven, except that's it's asserted for 2.

    • @vidro3
      @vidro3 Před 2 měsíci

      i agree. we really just made a hypothesis and then used that to justify the solution.

  • @jianqinggao4167
    @jianqinggao4167 Před rokem +2

    This is so helpful, thank you so much❤

  • @mehmetalitoy3929
    @mehmetalitoy3929 Před 6 měsíci

    Thank you so much, every dumb in internet is explaining the prime question really really bad. This helped too much...

  • @pibbxtra3969
    @pibbxtra3969 Před měsícem +1

    This is helpful, but if everything is built on hypothesis after the base case how did we prove anything?

  • @Burrgundy
    @Burrgundy Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you!

  • @wavez4224
    @wavez4224 Před rokem +7

    I’m kinda confused on why we assume p(j) is true for 2

    • @netanelkaye3014
      @netanelkaye3014 Před 10 měsíci

      I'm also confused- do we have to prove the inductive step or not? In this case it seems that we just assume it is true, but we never proved it... (meaning, we never proved that p(j) is true for 2

    • @wavez4224
      @wavez4224 Před 10 měsíci

      @@netanelkaye3014 it’s been while so I do understand it now.
      Pretty much in weak induction you use the n-1 step to prove the nth step is true. (For example you use 2nd step to prove 3rd is true)
      In strong induction you use all steps from n-1 to 0 to prove the nth step. (For example you use the n-1, n-2, and n-3, steps to prove the nth step is true)
      The difference in notation is what makes it kinda confusing. in weak induction we normally use the n-1 to prove the nth step while in strong induction we use the nth and below to prove n+1 step. It’s the exact same concept though it’s just up to notation whether we want to prove the nth step or n+1 step

    • @netanelkaye3014
      @netanelkaye3014 Před 10 měsíci

      @@wavez4224 Right, but in weak induction, we do first prove the n-1 step. we dont just assume the n-1 step is true- we prove it. It seems like in this case, we dont prove all steps from n-1 to 0- rather, we just assume they are true. Am I wrong?

    • @wavez4224
      @wavez4224 Před 10 měsíci

      @@netanelkaye3014 you never prove the n-1 step in weak induction. You only prove the base case and that if you assume n-1 is true then n is true.
      Same idea here. You prove the case case and then you prove that if all the steps between n and the base case are true then n+1 is true.
      So we never prove the n-1 step in both weak and strong.

  • @AR-rg2en
    @AR-rg2en Před rokem +4

    Hello professor, at 2:30, so like 2 can only be written as 2 * 1, but 1 is not considered a prime number. Maybe we have to add "or it is a prime itself" at the end.

    • @karqoa3968
      @karqoa3968 Před rokem +5

      agreed

    • @tbnman
      @tbnman Před rokem

      This confused me also. A prime number cannot be represented as a product of primes, because 1 is not prime. I've read numerous texts on this that all assert that any n > 1 can be written as a product of primes. However, when they further explain the statement through proofs, they clarify that n is either prime OR a product of primes. Is this an accepted measure of ambiguity in a field that prides itself on precision?

    • @VeritasEtAequitas
      @VeritasEtAequitas Před rokem

      @@tbnman It can be written as a product of 1 and itself (1). Further pedantry is unnecessary for this special case.

  • @leonben3921
    @leonben3921 Před rokem

    im assuming that you choose 10 in 10>=k because if it would be 9, then the initial value would not be 8; it would be 7. I think that is how I would have understood why 10

  • @noobheadsigma4405
    @noobheadsigma4405 Před rokem +6

    2 being a prime number is not a product of primes. How does the basis step become true?

    • @noobheadsigma4405
      @noobheadsigma4405 Před rokem

      If one of the multiple become prime; then it is enough to be a product of primes?

    • @ashleighroppolo6438
      @ashleighroppolo6438 Před 2 měsíci +2

      2=2•1
      A prime number is a product of itself and the prime number one

  • @MuhammadAbdullah-wx1ev
    @MuhammadAbdullah-wx1ev Před 2 měsíci

    will it be all right if I use k>10 instead of k>=10 , I still didn't understand why you used k>=10

  • @henryqiu227
    @henryqiu227 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I am sorry I am too silly. I am so confused.
    the hypotheis only show that p(j) is true for 2

    • @yrsobeautiful
      @yrsobeautiful Před 2 měsíci

      It’s a case we are considering. If k+1 is prime then it is true that k+1 can be written as a product of primes, and no more work is needed.

  • @xbz24
    @xbz24 Před měsícem

    thanks

  • @akikozzm7915
    @akikozzm7915 Před rokem

    in 15:47, I am confused about why P(k-2) is true? we never proved it right?

    • @SawFinMath
      @SawFinMath  Před rokem +1

      We assume P(k-2) is true, which we can do since we have more than one initial condition. For instance, if P(k) is assumed true, then we know P(k-1) and P(k-2) are true since they are initial conditions.

  • @linaaveya90
    @linaaveya90 Před 2 měsíci +1

    technically 1 isn't prime so you can't use 2 as your first product of primes because 2 * 1 is not the product of two primes, it's the product of a SINGULAR prime.

  • @AzimMukith
    @AzimMukith Před 6 měsíci

    I still do not understand why k>=10?

  • @JacobDereje
    @JacobDereje Před rokem

    i love you kimberly

  • @netanelkaye3014
    @netanelkaye3014 Před 10 měsíci

    why cant you just use regular induction to show that you can make $0.08 stamps out of $0.03 and $0.05 stamps? Just use $0.08 as base case and then prove that if you can make $0.0k out of $0.03 and $0.05 then you can make $0.0k+1?

  • @frankiechilleto1103
    @frankiechilleto1103 Před měsícem

    why onika burgers