RYM's Top 50 Albums of All Time | Tier List Tuesday Ep 3
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- Today we're reckoning with Rate Your Music core and ranking their Top 50 Albums of All-Time, tier list style.
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You guys are way too dismissive talking about music. Just sounds like you’re hating on the people that like the music rather than the music itself.
We’re hating on both
They lost the most light-hearted member of the group, Kramzer, so now the channel has become extra-bitter.
You think Kramzer is light hearted? Have you seen our video on The Monkees?
Billy Joel would like a word. - Joe
You're taking it too personally.
I used to be a regular on RYM 20 years ago and I can’t believe how much it changed. Top 50 is completely different then it used to be. Where is Marquee Moon? Exile on Main Street? No Dylan??? It’s a cool sight to search things, but I got nothing in common with people on those message boards these days
Mentioning the people who think 'Lift Yr. Skinny Fists' changed their lives... yeah that would be me. Straight up one of my favorite albums I've ever heard. Love your guys' channel even if we have differing opinions though. And I do agree that people wouldn't hate RYM so much if more people participated and challenged the common taste profile on there.
Everyone can participate there. Just make an account and start rating albums. It isn't that complicated.
They can't complain about RYM having a "common taste profile" when they have that Rolling-Stone-ass top 8
Apparently it didn’t help your grammar.
@@jtm7336 all the grammar is fine ??
@@BreakthroughGD Ditto!
Silent Way in C? You're killing me...
For real! Also Coltrane at C is the hardest disagree for me. Easy S, magic album
I don't mind Kind of Blue either... I don't care if it's popular or even slightly accessible. That is one perfect album by what is arguably the greatest jazz group to have ever existed.
A love supreme is cool jazz not be bop!
@@davidkornblatt851 It's Modal Jazz...
Tribute to Jack Johnson would be S tier from Miles
My face before clicking the video: 😃
My face while/after watching the video: 😳
To give a more detailed response, S tier looks fantastic, but some of my favorite albums (like personal top 10-15 range) are in C-F 😂. Enjoyed this undertaking with you guys regardless of disagreements.
While this list has about 15 matches to my personal top 50, mine would also have albums that probably aren’t anywhere near the RYM Top 500.
I think I have a RYM account but aside from discovering new stuff pretty effectively, I don’t really go there for anything else. I enjoy the chart-making on Best Ever Albums better.
Three of these in my top 10 ever: "Lift Your Skinny Fists...", "Hounds Of Love" and "In Rainbows" (this one is close to become my #1 any of these days)
Obviously, I have no problem with many of the disagreements with your tier lists. They are expected. In general, I have very different taste in music with you both (especially Jason) and even with the majority of the community here. I'm not that kind of classic rock fan (even though I'm quite older than you).
But what rubs me the wrong way is this "joking but not really joking" way of treating others people's tastes and opinions. This general "you can't really like this crap that much, it's only because the critics/other people told you to". Come on, don't be that obnoxious.
If we thought everyone’s opinion was valid that would be a pretty boring channel
@@TastesLikeMusic That makes no sense since you disagree with each other plenty of times.
It's not a matter of disagreements, it's about not being an smart-ass snob about it.
@@Realgodi but aren't all music critics smart-ass snobs at the end of the day?
@@stevemalek2970 Not necessarily. Music (or film) critics often have very strong opinions and can be quite harsh or pedantic (or whatever) expressing them.
But it's about the art , not the people who love/hate it.
This "if you don't agree, you're a manipulated ignorant" rhetoric, I found tiring and immature. Not hilarious, if that's the intention.
I don't disagree with your assessment of the oddity -- from your point of view and mine -- of the Rate Your Music album rankings. Nor do I disagree with the reason for that oddity which you identify: the younger age and relative inexperience of the listeners voting compared to your own. But to be fair, as a Gen X'er with wider tastes than your own (partial exception: Jason), your own rankings as Millenials with a strong disposition toward heavy metal and a strong aversion to alternative as opposed to mainstream rock (again, partial exception: Jason) sometimes look similarly odd to me as RYM's took to you.
People are taking Joe to task for clearly not knowing remotely enough about jazz for his opinions on it to count: not even the bare basics required to distinguish very different types like bebop, hardbop, cool jazz, and modal jazz from one another. But his perspective is equally uninformed and equally odd in many other areas: as uninformed and odd, in fact, as he faults RYM's listeners for being in his preferred genres of heavy metal and mainstream as opposed to alternative rock.
I pointed out to him once that his rankings of 80's and 90's artists are as bizarre to listeners whose tastes were formed in those eras as RYM's rankings are to him. When I did so, Joe was extremely disrespectful and dismissive and abused a strawman of his own construction rather than addressing the critique of his views that I had actually made.
So this video is extremely ironic: a classic case of "the pot calling the kettle black." I have continued to enjoy this channel even after being treated badly by Joe. But you could continue to improve what you do by practicing what you are preaching now to the RYM community. A good place to start would be listening to your viewers rather than talking down to strawmen: for example, by accepting that people who like music that you don't like do, in fact, like it, and aren't gaslit or brainwashed.
I genuinely love the Velvet Underground and sincerely like My Bloody Valentine and Slint, for example. Most people in my social circles do to one degree or another and almost no one likes Black Sabbath or the 90's grunge bands or Counting Crows. We all thought "Loveless" was great and seeing My Bloody Valentine when they toured with Dinosaur Jr was a musical high-point for us. That was "our" 90's as opposed to grunge and Counting Crows. So it's as unfair to say that my friends and I only "pretend" to like what we like because we're "posers" as it would be for us to say that you only like what you like because "you don't know any better," even though that, in these particular cases, might be closer to the truth.
I can’t take this very seriously because you think Jason has a more expansive taste in music than I do. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic You don’t take seriously anybody who disagrees with you or anything that doesn’t conform to and confirm your priors. You could but you don’t. That’s why you don’t see many things that are evident to others. For example, that Jason has more expansive tastes than you do and does a better job here overall.
@johnmurphy9385 I like way more things. But I also very much enjoy making fun of the alternative and slacker rock loving crowd because they’re incapable of having a sense of humor about themselves and the music they love. They’re also more narrow minded. - Joe
@johnmurphy9385 im doing an entire 50 episode podcast about being wrong about Bob Dylan. Get yer facts straight. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Your same old dismissive, disrespectful attitude both in the video and here is also a fact and you need to get it straight yourself. The podcast doesn’t seem on the evidence here to be doing you much good. So you’ll have to forgive those of us with better things to do than listen to 50 hours of you just now realizing that Bob Dylan is someone you ought to take seriously. “Pretentious posers” figured that out 60 years. And both “narrow-minded” Jason and I could have told you before now if you’d been willing to hear.
You guys are on fire
I think RYM is cool because of how diverse the genres are. There's a mix of hip-hop fans, prog fans, jazz fans, and classic rock fans like y'all. In terms of classic rock, it seems that RYM and you guys pretty much fully agree. I mean all the classic rock albums on the list you put in A or S tier. I think it's moreso that you wish classic rock was more represented on the list. As a metalhead, I wish there were more metal albums in the top 100 but I pretty much agree with the top metal albums of all time list on RYM. I don't think Paranoid is the best metal album of all time but I've never heard a metalhead say it wasn't good. A lot of RYM users get caught up in the placement of their favorite album but imo the RYM charts shouldn't be looked at as a list of every RYM user's top 100, but as a list of the most agreed upon "good" albums according to RYM users. I mean the highest rated album of all time on the site is still only at 4.37 and around the 100 range albums are dropping below 4.10. The list ends up being a lot of albums that are surface level in terms of their genre because it's appealing to the most people. That's not a bad thing, it just means that you need to look at the list differently than you would a list from an individual or an article site like Pitchfork or Rolling Stones. Also at least RYM's list is better than the latest Rolling Stones list (not a high bar but still)
Sorry for the essay lol I've been thinking about this for a while and felt this was a good time to put it into words
RTM is basically just a giant committee, and any list made by a committee is bound to be a head scratcher. When you try to include everything and please everyone, you usually end up pleasing no one.
I grew up with hip hop and recently rated all the albums I've listened to and owned and I don't think my favorite hip-hop albums (Paul's Boutique and Enter the 36 chambers) made my top 100 at all. The reason is as you grow older you come across new music and specifically new genres that become superior to previous genres you were familiar with. For me that was progressive rock, and any prog rock album (ones I deem good) will win over my favorite hip-hop albums because I enjoy that genre more.
Portishead , Cocteau Twins & Slowdive are All Tier A , I humbly say.
Portishead has a perfect discography
Those King Crimson records are absolutely transcendent
How about very good?
@@TastesLikeMusicEpitaph is one of the best songs ever
They're absolutely essential in prog, but I actually think 'Larks' Tongues in Aspic' is all around more accomplished.
KC are great, but Fripp’s best playing is on Eno and Bowie albums 😎
King Crimson's debut deserves *all* the praise it gets. Larks' Tongues and Red are great, too, but not quite all-time top 100 for me.
Not considering other people’s thoughts in any way but strictly going by my personal feelings regarding general artistic achievement as well as emotional connections with certain records, this is my [current] Top 50:
1. Iron Maiden - Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
2. The Cure - Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me
3. Bruce Springsteen - Born In The U.S.A.
4. Pink Floyd - The Wall
5. The Cure - Disintegration
6. The Cure - Pornography
7. Red Hot Chili Peppers - BloodSugarSexMagik
8. Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms
9. Nirvana - Nevermind
10. Pearl Jam - Vs.
11. Pearl Jam - Vitalogy
12. Oasis - (What’s The Story) Morning Glory?
13. Therapy? - Troublegum
14. Steely Dan - Aja
15. Soundgarden - Superunknown
16. Billy Joel - The Stranger
17. Suede - Suede
18. Blur - Parklife
19. Stone Temple Pilots - Purple
20. Nick Drake - Pink Moon
21. The Cure - Faith
22. The Beatles - The Beatles
23. Blumfeld - L’etat et moi
24. Live - Throwing Copper
25. Graduate - Acting My Age
26. Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
27. Stone Temple Pilots - Core
28. Phillip Boa And The Voodooclub - Boaphenia
29. Bruce Springsteen - Born To Run
30. Pantera - Far Beyond Driven
31. Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Rust Never Sleeps
32. The Cure - Wish
33. Tears For Fears - The Hurting
34. Bad Religion - Stranger Than Fiction
35. Queensrÿche - Empire
36. The Cure - The Head On The Door
37. The Cure - The Top
38. Suede - Dog Man Star
39. Voodoocult - Jesus Killing Machine
40. Phillip Boa And The Voodooclub - Helios
41. Green Day - Dookie
42. The Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness
43. Motorpsycho - Phanerothyme
44. Phillip Boa And The Voodooclub - Hispañola
45. Tears For Fears - Raoul And The Kings Of Spain
46. Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel [Car]
47. The Who - Quadrophenia
48. Kraftwerk - Computerwelt
49. Soundgarden - Down On The Upside
50. Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life
… so I don’t care if Born To Run is objectively way better than Born In The USA, cos the latter is simply dearer to my heart for specific reasons. That’s what favorites lists should be about at the end of the day, right? If it moves you strong enough for whatever reason, you‘ll find yourself going to bat for the shittiest album. Good thing though that Seventh Son just happens to be fucking great!! 🤘🏼😎
I am slightly older than you guys and have used RYM for 16 years (I have watched you lads for a year I think?), I actually wish there was more weirdness on the top list, it is an aggregate of ratings, so I would love to see more regional and off track stuff get recognized. Really interesting personal choices. Most of the users are teenagers from the US and Europe (and some South Americans) so if more Middle Eastern, South East Asian, African voters start rating, things could get really exciting. I do think it is weird that there is only one metal album on the charts; makes little sense considering how much people there talk metal all day (at least one thrash or death metal album would be welcome.) I love that a Juan Gabriel mariachi album is the #4 live album of all time, you don't see that most places.
This should bring some tears, jeers, and cheers. Brave undertaking.
This Mortal Coil warned ⚠️ ..It'll End In Tears.
@@davidellis5141And Beth Gibbons sang “It Could Be Sweet”
@@michelewiese48 The lads disrespected Beth & Liz & Rachel ( Slowdive )
never mind the beers steers and queers.
@@paulok2153Nice RevCo reference 😂
To not see a single album involving Peter Gabriel is just wrong. And no Led Zeppelin, WTF.
Damn that F tier is salty
I agree with you guys. The list makes no sense. No Dylan, no Led Zeppelin, no Marvin Gaye, no London Calling ...
No Engelbert Humperdinck?! No Bay City Rollers either?!
I thought I'd misread the list when I didn't see any Anne Murray or Air Supply.
None of these albums are C, D or F tier lol. Y'all are silly. Your post rock hate is strong. ✌🏼😂
They’re Fs comparatively.
@@TastesLikeMusicnot at all
Joe nailed it in the beginning. Niche albums like a lot of these only attract people who love them, so there’s no filter. That’s why you’ll never see Rumours, Born to Run, or even Thriller ranked that high. Pink Floyd seems to be an outlier with Dark Side. While not being a hip hop guy, are those albums really better than the first two Public Enemy albums, or Jay Z The Blue Print?
They’re not better than the Blueprint. - Joe
Personally would put almost all of them above blue print, bar Tyler and maybe Danny, just in terms of a coherent body of work vs collection of mostly good songs. Public enemy on the other hand I think you can make a strong case for!
Being a hip hop guy, I think most of the rap records here are much better than those three (albeit great) albums.
Yes, all these hip-hop albums are quite deserving to be on the list.
Wild to hear The Blueprint talked about so negatively, like it isn’t considered one of the best rap albums of all-time by basically every critic. - Joe
Great video! I am enjoying this series.
me too💜💜
@@bengalgangster 👍🎶💜💜
I love you guys but my god this was atrocious. GKMC in D? Unknown Pleasures in F????? Absolutely insane rankings
Haven’t been able to get into Kendrick and Ian Curtis is literally the worst singer of all-time. - Joe
@TastesLikeMusic man....GKMC is one of the best hip hop albums of all time. Unknown Pleasures, one of the best post punk albums of all time. To each his own but strongly disagree with these choices
Fantano crying now
Yeah cuz he has appreciation for good hip hop
@@fourseasons4105 That's almost all he likes plus noise rock and black metal. He will sometimes throw a good rating to a singer/songwriter he champions, but he skews heavy on the rap. His favorite band is Death Grips, for chrissakes.
@@kennethgordon7900and I hate that. Death Grips to me are just total crap (except for MC Ride’s rapping, which I think is very good); I have no idea why people love them so much.
@@curly_wyn you must hate fun and energy in your music then, it all has to be 'deep singer songwriter' bob dylan shit for you to be able to enjoy it...
Are you sure you even like music?
I do. Not sure about Joe.
@@TastesLikeMusic i doubt u like music if u think kid a and in rainbow not will be in a top 5000
I think all of these are great records. A lot of them do overlap with my favorites, but I get why it’s frustrating how sites like this create like homogenization with “taste”.
To me, Its not at all a hive mind posturing. What is happening here is clear: People who have some of these records 5 out of 5, its because the music style they are into. And I would also guess, its mostly younger people, who have not been exposed to many different music styles. So, if you only listen to 2000s rap, you are probably going to rate kendrick lamar and kanye west 5 out of 5. Doesnt mean they like these artists more than pink floyd or king crimson. They dont even know pink floyd or king crimson music. The same would go for post rock or anything else.
When I was 12, I only listened to metal. I knew that Pink Floyd and King Crimson existed, but didnt know much about them. I only began to venture out of metal when I was, like, 16 or so. My top 50 list when I was 12, would all be metal and nothing else. I still love metal today, 30 years later, but now that I've been exposed to more music styles, my top 50 would be more varied.
"And I would also guess, its mostly younger people, who have not been exposed to many different music styles."
Or you're just old and haven't been exposed to new music styles.
@@goldenboy140 Yeah, I think there's a lot of that reading through the comments.
@@goldenboy140
Maybe.
That being said, it makes more sense that a 12 year old, who is just beginning to listen to music will know less music than a 40 year old. That was certainly music, which is what I described on my initial comment.
Is that ALWAYS the case? Of course not. Ive seen some 12 years old who already knows lots of stuff and some 40 year olds that know very little. But statistically, considering people who love to go deep in music, someone older just had more time and therefore have listened to more stuff!
I don't expect I'll be the only person to say this, but A LOVE SUPREME IS NOT BEBOP. NOT EVEN REMOTELY.
The only Bebop I’m familiar with is the Ninja Turtles character.
Post Bop. Forgot post. Sue me. - Joe
I'm not sure post bop means anything. A Love Supreme is really an amalgamation of modal and spiritual jazz. Kind of Blue is the modal jazz archetype. I don't even know how to categorize Black Saint. In any event, no bebop (which generally predated the full-length album era) or hard bop on this list. @@TastesLikeMusic
It's orbital bebop ! 🎶 Dancing 🕺 In Heaven 💃 !
@@echosmyron1278underrated comment. And nice The Argument pfp.
genuinely excruciatingly embarrassing video
Thanks. Not.
Get Nas, Wu, Coltrane, and Miles up in S where they belong!
Never seen anyone shit on so many incredible albums :)
Be glad no SY album made the list. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Haha all straight A's ;)
Yeah can't lie, used to love this channel but these guys have become way too out of touch for my liking, especially since Kramz's gone...
@@fourseasons4105 waa...they don't like the same music i do!
@@TastesLikeMusic The Horror , The Horror ..
These are a great idea - keep them coming. 👍
I think the talk around the hip hop on this list is very off base. The majority (Nas, Wu Tang, Kanye, Kendrick) is not artsy or snooty. All massively popular artists. The Nas, Wu Tang and MF Doom albums are all considered to be among the best hip hop records ever made, with Illmatic being the quintessential East coast album in many ways. And then MBDFT, GKMC and TPAB are probably the 3 most acclaimed hip hop albums of the 2010s.
Among rap fans these are fairly consensus picks. Which isn't me saying any one individual has to enjoy them but these are fairly standard, and their general inclusion on top 50 albums of all time is to be expected if you're open to the idea of hip hop being equally worthy of praise as classic rock.
The Tyler album is kinda wild though I will admit. Especially considering that I wouldn't even put it as his best album - which for me is Flower Boy.
Well, TLM is basically a classic rock channel. Whenever hip hop is brought up, things mostly go off the rails.
You miss me saying Kanye would be S or what? - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusicbut then dismiss every other rap record on the list...
@@TastesLikeMusic Yes I did. I'm not necessarily having any issue with the placement or anything, and I actually I agree with you on Kanye (though personally I would have Nas and Wu Tang up there too). The point was more around the general talk of hip hop. Understand you guys are bigger fans of the rock stuff which is totally cool, it's more just to give perspective/context of where these hip hop picks are coming from as they are generally more deserving of their place in a top 50 than I felt came across in the video
MBDTF, GKMC, Illmatic, 36 Chambers... All very mainstream, not experimental hip hop records.
I'm not the biggest Pink Floyd fan but all three of those Pink Floyd albums imo have to be S tier just on cultural significance alone. Also Animals is just too damn good, a favorite of mine
DSOTM and Animals are S for me WYWH is A
The glow pt 2 😭😭😭😭😭😭 I wish he actually said why he didn’t like it because that’s actually such an amazing concept album imo.
In a silent way is one of the greatest records of all time! Pushed the entire genre
The dismissiveness from especially the top guy is actually really ruining the video.
You dont need to like every critically acclaimed album, but this tier list felt extemely poorly thought out and extemely ignorant.
Blame the voters of RYM
@@TastesLikeMusic it's not the RYM voterbase fault that you're both musically illiterate
My biggest problem with the list is there's too many albums from one group included for their favorite albums. I'd only put one per artist, at most two if they're important enough like Miles Davis's albums, in the top 50 and find more interesting picks to fill the empty spaces. I'd put a Stones and Zeppelin in. I'd put the first Hendrix in. I'd even put a Fantano-core album like To Be Kind in. And where's any of the Bob Dylan and the Band albums? Ridiculous.
I thought the prog tier vid was bad but this is atrocious. Worse than RYM lol
We aim to enrage.
Godspeed@@TastesLikeMusic
@@TastesLikeMusicyeah, I think this is great plan; now that Kram is gone, the way for this channel to reach big popularity is thru controversy! 😎🔥
Pet Sounds #1 ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS
It's of vital historical importance, but artistically speaking, I find it overrated, though undeniably an assured and effective work.
@@barrymoore4470 not overrated at all; if anything it’s underrated.
@@curly_wyn It's an almost universally praised and beloved album, so it's hard to see how it would be underrated. And I should stress that I don't dislike 'Pet Sounds', I just don't think it's one of the greatest albums of all time (to be sure, it's one of the most influential of all time).
@@barrymoore4470I say its underrated because its still doesn’t get nearly the praise that the catalogs of The Beatles, the Stones and Zeppelin get.
@@curly_wynI suppose that's true from a rock perspective. Many hardcore rock fans are dismissive of pop, and 'Pet Sounds' is a pop album. Yet I have found it's much more common to encounter people who love the record than those who dislike or ignore it.
cant wait to watch this on my dinner break!
guys, maybe read up more on your jazz, A Love Supreme is NOT bebop, not even close. bebop has to be at least 200 bpm, and none of the songs in Love Supreme seem to be all that fast from my recollection. There is also an emphasis on fast changes in chord progression and a constant high hat drumming style (in bebop) . A Love Supreme is more of modal jazz than fast changing progressions.
Meant post-bop
all good, was wondering if maybe you were thinking more of Giant Steps than A Love Supreme.@@TastesLikeMusicGlad, you like Kind of Blue though! Love that record, i have a blue vinyl of that one for the 50th anniversary. I also agree with your analysis of Minugs because thats not my favorite one either. Mingus Ah Um is a classic and better imo.
Jazz is azz
S- ziggy Stardust, all the Pink Floyd's, Court of the Crimson King, all the Beatles, Paranoid, Vespertine, Kinda Blue.
A- Songs in the Key of Life, Red
B- Pet Sounds, Velvet Underground, Homogenic, Hounds of Love
The rest I don't care about: I can't believe no Steely Dan Aja,? would be an S for me!
It’s still VERY highly rated on RYM; it’s all the way up at a rating of 4.01, but I feel like a lot of people hate how clean it is, and I’m guilty of that a lot myself. A lot of people can see it as sterile and lifeless and soulless, although I wouldn’t personally go that far.
Considering that there are no Stones, no Who, and no Hendrix in the top fifty, the RYM list is indeed preposterous. I'm with you.
They'd rather have two albums from their favorite artists rather than one for each of the objectively best artists.
RYM and most online top 100 lists are more about giving an alternative for the "best albums" ever, everyone knows some of those classic albums but it would create this environment where every single top 100 list looks the same, if you wanna see Hendrix on a best ever albums list go on Rolling Stone's top 500 list
Nah, their list is terrible too.
@miketomlin6040 then this youtube channel isn't for you, bud
hendrix is very close to the top. i love dad rock as much as anyone else here but consider slightly branching out musically
I’m not sure I would call Love Supreme bebop.
.....and it's a S album, not a C
I'd give it an A.
Post-bop is what I probably meant to say. - Joe
this shoud be good. The RYM bubble skewing rankings.
Yes RATEYOURMUSIC-CORE, lol
You guys are full of embarrassing takes. You sure you guys should be doing this channel? I do agree, though, that Fishmans worship on RYM makes no sense
Very sure
Your reaction to Death Grips made me laugh out loud. As a prog head The Money Store is one of my favorite albums of all time but I can see why people woule hate it. Respect you guys’ opinion. Been watching for a year
I sampled part of the first song but didn't have time to listen to it all. Is the "abrasiveness" people talk about just the strange beats? Didn't sound that harsh to me.
@@reginaldcampos5762 I guess it’s the general sound of the record such as the industrial elements. I actually think it’s quite a catchy record and by far the most accessible death grips album, maybe with Exmilitary. I personally always liked the more accessible experimental hiphop albums such as Madvillainy and LP!.
I thought people who like prog would appreciate experimental hip hop, but it isn’t the case i guess.
Yeah, I hated it. It’s so overrated to me; idk why I was expecting to like it for some reason. Ik it’s like Fantano’s favorite album of all time or something lol
Solid ranking, but no offence, putting To Pimp a Butterfly in C-Tier and Good Kid, M.A.A.D in D-Tier (wow) is ridiculous. I'm not even that well-versed in hip hop/rap and even I think those albums are fantastic. But I guess that's the beauty of a Tier-list. And I can't really critique your ranking because I'd put In Rainbows in D-Tier lol.
C-tier is still 4 stars. - Joe
You're even more insane.. In Rainbows in d tier lmao
Darkside might be technically better than animals and wish you were here, but practically I prefer them both over it. Happily take that S and A collection though.
Animals is my favorite album of all time tbh
'Wish You Were Here' is my favorite Pink Floyd album (admittedly, I'm not a strong Pink Floyd fan).
@barrymoore4470 it's a great album, though Meddle is probably my fave.
@@paulok2153 "One of These Days" is a phenomenal track, and "Fearless" is very fine too. Even the album's weakest inclusion, "Seamus", has a charm all its own.
There is an animated short called 'French Windows', completed in 1972 and directed by Ian Emes, that uses "One of These Days" as its soundtrack. It's a memorable and haunting little film, an early precursor to the music videos that would begin germinating later in the decade.
respect for throwing your taste out there for everyone to comment on, but damn that is some basic as fuck takes right there. Anything even slightly outside of the norm or slightly experimental gets thrown down the rankings, and the entirely predictable Beatles/Floyd/Bowie etc. goes right into the S tier.
Also things like calling 'A Love Supreme' bebop, saying 'Blonde' sounds like Drake, 'Illmatic' kicked off more experimental hiphop, are statements just so objectively false that it's hard for me to take you seriously.
Lemme guess your top 100 would exactly mirror RYMs? PS. I meant post-bebop for Coltrane. - Joe
Would be quite good if these rundowns were a bit more objective. On one hand you diss lists for being a certain style, but then you rate stuff in a similar way, according to your tastes. Woukd be nice if you positioned these in terms of cultural impact, production skills, accessibility etx rather than 'I dont really like Trip Hop so its going in D'.
I still enjoy watching these lists but it would be fun if you were to rate stuff with this lens.
Eg I'm not a big fan of Dark Side Of The Moon, I probably wouldn't listen to it much, but I'd put it in S.
I did think about that. And we may do something like that for a more prestigious ranking. But not for RYM. - Joe
haha OK fair enough. Yeah, might make for a more cohesive list
Where's Elvis Costello?
In the trash bin where he belongs.
With this year's girl
Overrated honestly, I’ve listened to a lot of his stuff and I just wasn’t impressed.
@@davidellis5141O'ver yonder near the Hoover Factory forgetting his fancy manners.
@@curly_wyn "I understand that you are not impressed! But I heard you let that little friend of mine Take off your party dress" Alison.
The Production of Martin Hannet on Unknown Pleasures is absolutely top notch as is the record. Talking Heads & Eno liked it listen to The Overload a year later then I Remember Nothing. Ian C was here. Joy Division ➗️ Forever ...
Then why does it sound so bad?
@davidellis5141 🤝
@@TastesLikeMusic"atmosphere." I agree with you guys, too murky and depressing for me.
@@TastesLikeMusicyeah, I adore Remian in Light (unlike Joe), but yeah, Joy Division sound terrible.
I agree - I can certainly understand someone not liking Joy Division or liking Ian's voice, but I don't get how anyone thinks the production sounds bad. Seriously makes me wonder if Joe listened to it on a warped cassette or a stereo that had the EQ messed up.
Joy Division’s Unknown Pleasures over Metallica’s Master Of Puppets makes no sense at all. And I like Joy Division. Also no Ramones.
Ramones are the kind of punk that Joe actually likes: energy, brattiness and charisma with good melodic sensibilities:)
I'm probably one of your few Patreon members that is big into jazz. I am still mostly a classic rock listner, and I agree the RYM list is ridiculous. Both of the Miles albums are easy S tiers for me. Kind of Blue was a hugely influential album on rock due to it's modal nature. Duane Allman, Pink Floyd (Dark Side of The Moon album), Velvet Underground, and so many more are on record by being influenced by the chord progressions on Kind of Blue.
In a Silent Way was sticking a toe in the fusion pool that would dominate 70's funk and jazz. A Love Supreme and Black Saint and The Sinner Lady are both post bop and belong in the avant garde/free jazz categories. Both are challenging to listen to, and are great, but polarizing. Love them both, but they are not everyone's cup of tea.
Liking these tier lists!
I’m just saying it wouldn’t kill them to throw a jazz album in there that was a little smoother. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic You heard him boys, Everyone lets go 5 star the Kenny G albums!
I love Joy Division, guys. S-tier all the way. They're transcendental for me. Sorry about that. Maybe you had to be there. Cheers.
Missed the factory 🏭 days & nights of Manchester ..which has so much to answer for & when the schools were run by belligerent ghouls ..
JD are wildly overrated. The Sound shit all over them.
Don’t know how you could like that voice. Or the production. So maybe? - Joe
@@curly_wyn Adrian Borland would disagree with that statement.
@@davidellis5141we’re our own worst critics
Great video! I really enjoyed watching! Maybe you could do one and rank an artists albums as long as theyve had a lot of them.
Pretty sure that Jason has said that he’s got 7-8 Beatles albums in his top 50…
@@echosmyron1278 That's cool! Thanks!
@@echosmyron1278 that's an insane amount
I’m much less insane with my Beatles placements - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Oh I see.
Alot of older experimental rock is going down unfortunately. Tom Waits Rain Dogs used to be extremely high but now its not even in the top 100 anymore :( Although I do like alot of the artists in the top 50 like death grips and danny brown
Predictable that as time went on these types of lists would get watered down by more recent records that are more popular but not as good.
I think saying that people who enjoy albums like in the aeroplane over the sea and Spiderland are pretending to like those records is in poor taste, because I'm pretty sure that when Rolling Stone was the main tastemaker, fans of even older music could say the same about your S-tier. Other people in this comment section have called you "Racist" for your taste in rap. I wouldn't go that far but I do think your taste in hip-hop is narrow something that is shown by you not having a single rap album in your top tier, you didn't even have a single jazz album above B tier. I only watched the video to see how you rated Madvilliany, and you botched that ranking too. Your guys' channel description says you are the best place for music discovery and discussion, but your lack of acceptance for left field music (You know, the actual discovery part) makes you only a speck of lint on Fantano's flannel.
maybe if they picked a wider selection of rap and jazz they would have made the s-tier. It’s not our fault RYM has pretentious ass taste. For the record I had Kanye’s debut in s-tier but it got cancelled out. - Joe
Which rap and jazz albums would you have put in s tier had they been on the list?
Nick Drake is all time classic
It’s good. It’s not an all-time anything but I can see why some would think that. - Joe
Wanted to share a RYM review I wrote for an Eleanor Friedberger album:
"How to get a shockingly mediocre average score on Rate Your Music:
1. Be a woman.
2. Have the slightest bit of a traditional or ‘retro’ sensibility instead of being ‘cutting-edge’ and ‘current.’
3. Be tranquil and serene rather than abrasive and brutal.
4. Place emphasis on melody and songcraft rather than studio techniques or virtuosic playing.
5. Have actually interesting, rather than ‘quirky’ lyrics.
6. Don't be Fiona Apple."
Love Eleanor! Her first solo album especially is brilliant
Kanye West is Ahead of John Coltrane?…. You guys need to expand your range I guess 😊
Or maybe you need to expand yours?
Yeah i'm sorry but Kanye is a way more compelling songwriter/artist than Coltrane. I mean some cool sax improvs over complex chord progressions and all but he never wrote a single song that touches my soul in the way a 'Dark fantasy' 'Saint Pablo' 'Hey mama' or 'Family business' do
kind of hard to compare two vastly different music genres. its like comparing mexican to chinese food. (probably a better analogy then apples to oranges since those are just both fruit lol). @@fourseasons4105
@@fourseasons4105 That Kanye is considered some kind of musical genius is proof of how far society's standards have fallen for what constitutes musical genius. He's possibly the most overrated "musician" who ever lived, right up there with Taylor Swift.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 ok so now I know you've never listened to him in your life
Also I've never said he was a genius just that he makes compelling music
Good video guys. I guess I'll have to make a RYM account. We got to bring back a proper top 50.
Your ratings are more than fair. The Band is missing. Joni Mitchell. Neil Young. Steely Dan. Elvis Costello. Who. Kinks. Led Zeppelin. Stones. Dylan. Stevie/Talking Book. Clash/London Calling. Public Enemy. Elton John.
Love these tiermaker videos you're doing! Keep it up guys! Of course, you're very very wrong! Top 5 is Dark Side of The Moon, Kind of Blue, Abbey Road, OK Computer and Red.
Court > Red
@TastesLikeMusic yup. Red is 4 stars. Good, but not great. People conflate influence to being great because Kurt Cobain said he really liked the album.
@@TastesLikeMusic To me, Court as a whole is inferior because of those mediocre meandering jam tracks, but the title track is sublime though!
@@reginaldcampos5762 Now you made me like it even less... I was never a Nirvana kind of guy... :)
@@Svein-Frode nirvana is decent for me. After the 70s, heavy metal and hip-hop is all that really interests me as genres, maybe the occasional post rock. Never liked grunge.
How am I supposed to take anyone seriously as a music critic that calls A Love Supreme “bebop?”
Post bop, modal, whatever
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bebop is more of a 1940s style..
Love what you guys do and appreciate your individual takes, but this was a big banana skin moment for Joe, tbh
Yes hilarious 😂😂
I would initially say that I am probably more in tune with RYM than you guys here at TLM but when I saw their ranking (through this channel, haven't checked the original source), I had to reverse that. Nope, i don't agree much with RYM. We are all biased - RYM are, you guys are, Fantano is, I am. RYM seem to be going with what has the highest critical acclaim in generel, I think you guys (Jason said it even) tend to be very positive towards classic rock and genres that follow that vein, I personally definitely prefer more experimental and underground music and any ranking would heavily reflect that. It is what it is. Always a fun thing to do and always leads to a lot of discussion.
I think you could have been a little kinder to Miles and Coltrane as those albums (particularly Kind of Blue) are among the most important and iconic of the 20th century. S and A easily. In a Silent Way probably my personal favourite amongst those.
Would have been nice to see some jazz that isn’t modal. - Joe
Enjoyed this! Maybe do the same thing for Album of the Year website?
Ohh I don’t know if we can take the hate…. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic lol
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You did it! 😀 Enjoyed the video!
A Love Supreme is a BangerClassic A Tier all day every day and not bebop! It’s like saying VU is a C-minus of a band!
The tiers are comparative to the other 49 albums. Having an artist in C doesn’t mean we necessarily think the artist should be graded as average. It just means it’s middle of the pack compared to these particular albums.
@@TastesLikeMusic just because you like or dislike something doesnt mean ITS NOT A CLASSIC. Standards have fallen, people read books less, etc!
This tier list makes sense. I don’t get post-rock music like Godspeed, Slint, etc. Fishmans and Mount Eerie/Microphones are pleasant but just alright. The idea of Death Grips is interesting except that music is meant to be for enjoyment. Unknown Pleasures is overrated, Blonde is overrated and i prefer Channel Orange, Good Kid Maad City is a fun listen but the lyrics can be lame. The S tier looks solid
You’re my favorite comment here!
"it's also like a weird, snooty kind of version of music [fandom]"
literally the last things he said: "it's not the 40th best album and anyone who thinks it is shouldn't be listening to music"
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Respect to Jason for wanting Nick Drake in S tier. His albums have some of the best poetry ever and beautifully unique guitar playing.
I'm with you guys. Your entire S tier deserves to be in the top 50. I would maybe include Velvet Underground and Nico and In Rainbows in there too. Others knocking on the door for me would be Remain in Light, Disintegration, Hounds of Love and Kind of Blue. The rest aren't in the conversation at all. Especially, to include all this music from the last 20 years in the top 50 is a bit of a joke. Top 500, maybe, but these are not the greatest albums of ALL TIME. There are so many important artists from the 60s 70s and 80s that are out of favour but it still doesn't diminish their greatness.
I like this exercise. While I disagree with some of your selections in a huge way, I also agree a lot with how you view experimental albums. I definitely have strayed away from listening too much to what I "should" like. A lot of historically important albums, I find unbearable. They may be great in terms of influence, but that doesnt mean that the music is actually good or catches my ear. I can assume that a lot of people claim to like important albums because they want to be perceived as cultured, but they arent being true to themselves. I know, because I was one of them. Anything Phil Elverum does just does not resonate with me at all. I have tried to listen to The Glow Pt. 2 100 times and I just cannot get through it. Despite it constantly being pushed in indie circuits as a quintessential work, I just dont get it. Same with Souvlaki. I know that its a landmark shoegaze album (and I love shoegaze), but I dont even consider it within the top 20 shoegaze works ever. It does nothing for me and I find it really boring.
Yeah, I’m with on Phil Elverum’s stuff. Yes, it all comes from an earnest and dark place and I’m glad he was able to expel everything and all of those dark feelings out before he could take his own life, that good that he overcame that..but that being said, it doesn’t make his work impervious to criticism.
I just wanted to mention that halfway through the video I got an advertisement for Train (coming to my town, apparently), and I thought the irony was too delicious not to mention.
And good god, RYM, that's the most hipster list I've ever seen.
For RYM you can filter and do tier lists for decades, genres. Lots of content available here. The thing with RYM, the number of ratings also affects positions, so there are plenty of high rated albums but suffer because lack of ratings.
Enjoyed the video. Got a few I disagree with, like joy division should be higher in my opinion, but it's all personal taste. Agree on neutral milk hotel, love the album but think it's overrated on pretentious lists and that's coming from someone with occasional pretentious taste
Very strange indeed. Too much rap/hip-hop and alternative poser music, and where the fuck is hard rock, metal and soul?
NO DISCO EVEN!
@@independenceltd.Disco definitely was one of the signature sounds of the Seventies, the greatest decade for rock and pop.
Great video! There are a couple of points where I disagree with the conclusions, but I'd rather learn from you than leave with a frustrated face. LIKE
I bought "Lift your skinny fists..." at a secondhand store because it was so highly rated on RYM. It was cheap. I still feel ripped off. Love your love for Pink Floyd, Bowie and the Beatles. No Rolling Stones on this list upsets me but no Bob, Joni or Neil either. With you all the way Jason as regards Remain in Light. What a masterpiece!
I'm a fan of 'Skinny Fists' but I totally understand why some people react that way to post-rock.
TBH the more I listen to that album the more I appreciate its complexity. Perhaps in 10 years it will make my top 100.@@AbbeyRoadkill1
Might be worthwhile to go through the 51-100 range, it includes a lot of classic albums that were omitted from the top 50 - 3 bob dylan albums, close to the edge, marquee moon, led zep iv, electric ladyland + are you experienced, the doors s/t etc. I think as the userbase of the website becomes used more by newer generations the ratings will reflect that with more modern albums starting to climb the charts, which is fair enough. The charts should reflect the userbase, it shouldn't be a definitive ranking by any means.
Oh no doubt. 51-100 makes it look a lot better. - Joe
Jason, You gave me The Queen Is Dead 4.5 stars....I'll never forget...
Strange bunch of albums below that S or A lists. Nothing from The Who, The Stones or Led Zeppellin - odd
Yikes this list is garbage!
considering that you placed 21 of the albums in S or A tier, maybe you don't disagree with RYM as much as you think you do ;)
Joy Divison in F? LOL I miss Kramzer
I’d put it in D-tier.
Kramzer wouldn't have allowed Slowdive to slip into C tier. It's a solid A, all day long.
@mjbachman3027 maybe on its own but not compared to what are supposedly the best albums ever
A Love Supreme is a really spiritual jazz Lp, not Be-Bop Coltrane
Yeah. I know. I meant post bop, but spiritual and modal is better - Joe
No albums from The Stones, The Who, Rush, and many other important bands?? This list is very suspect for me....
Well that was entertaining!
That’s a very odd list, if only for the obvious gaps (Stones, Who, Marvin Gaye, Clash, Springsteen) but also for the ones that did appear. I bought Neutral Milk Hotel because it kept appearing in lots of lists and I haven’t a clue what people are going on about.
On the plus side, four of my all time top 10 albums are in the list, and six more would be top 50.
Finally….Joe. You really wouldn’t like a lot of other names on my list, and you’d have a huge problem with my number one ( a clue: it’s not on this list but the same band’s debut is and you put it in F tier).
Gotta be Closer? - Joe
Ouch Danny Brown 💔 definitely A tier.
Scaring the hoes is. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic indeed it is but I prefer Atrocity Exhibition. Both are over the other albums I've heard by him though.
Some of the big ones are missing - no Zep, no Stones, no Dylan - but the stuff they have here are largely the usual suspects.
Don't cry no tiers around me.
I haven't checked this list in over a decade and there is about 20 albums here that are still in top 50.
Bob Dylan was fighting Radio head and The Beatles back in the day for number one spot.
There was once only two or three hip hop albums with my favourite Low End Theory by Tribe Called Quest in top 50. NAS, still in top 50.
Wow, this is the top 50 now? Has changed a lot since I used to go on there, and not for the better. Biggest disagreement I would have is Unknown Pleasures at F, I’d have it an A I think, but it’s no problem we can’t all like the same stuff
Yes Ian ,You are correct ! You get a heart ❤️ & I get lambasted for saying the same thing. I guess consistency is overrated 🤷
Missing in action for me is Elvis Costello, difficult to understand his omission.
Between this and Rolling Stone they’re erasing him from the upper echelon!! - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusicI just wasn’t impressed by him, guys, I’m sorry lol 😅
All of these are better than After the Gold Rush?
Damn right.
@@echosmyron1278 lol
silent way and live supreme in c and kanye and bjork in a? instant disqualification
According to who? The jazz police?
When Kramzer left, I began to nurture the hope that TLM would finally seize the opportunity to rebrand itself as The Ian Curtis Appreciation Channel. Sadly, that fragile dream is now in pieces. I'll just have to hang on harder to that cherished memory of seeing Joy Division in The Warehouse, Preston, in early 1980, shortly before, er, that terrible thing happened.
Does it really need saying that RYM's top 50 is ridiculous? Well, you two have a reason to do so because making a video about it contributes to your livelihood, so that's absolutely fair enough, and watching your videos is, last I checked, completely voluntary. But I couldn't care less about RYM's list or any top 50 list of the best albums of all time. Might as well have a top 50 list of the best handjobs of all time. It's all a bit subjective, isn't it? And, as I'm fairly sure Jason has said more than once, all appreciation of music is subjective and not in any way objective, so such lists are, to me, meaningless.
Reviews and artist album and song rankings are, for me, a great way of exploring, discovering, re-discovering and enjoying music and artists. I'm not even going to have to agree with your or anyone else's choices to get something of value out of those. I've just assumed Tier List Tuesday is intended as the easy-option, fluffy end of the TLM spectrum. A case of tune in, roll your eyeballs, tickle the algorithm and enjoy. It would be strange if anyone started taking them seriously. Wouldn't it?