STOP COUNTERSTEERING quickly or abruptly
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- čas přidán 25. 03. 2022
- Should we be riding and communicating with our motorcycle, with pops, grabs, hits, flicks and twitches? One of the riding schools I took early on in my riding career said that the measure of a great rider was how quickly they could snap a counter-steer and get the bike heeled over into a corner at a very specific point.
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What a great video! Thank you for everything you do for the sport - we love your enthusiasm and dedication to making riders safer!
After decades of street riding I think I am finally figuring it out and the word that comes to mind is "fluid". Everything on a bike should be purposefully executed in a smooth "fluid" manner. The bike should always be smooth in any transitions through time and space. One should be able to up/down shift as smoothly as a CV automatic transmission. Throttle and braking as well should be "progressive" and not jerky. Inputs can be done 'quickly', just not 'suddenly' if that makes sense. The few times I get everything right it feels like the bike is floating down the road under its own intelligence and I am merely drifting along for the ride. Moments of rider/mount symbiotic perfection and bliss. Hard to describe but everyone who experiences it knows that of which I speak. Really love your vlogs and on your recommendation just purchased the on-line Yamaha Champ School course.
Hi there. I do love your enthusiasm. But you're wrong on this one. Countersteering is not abrupt. It's fast steering. And it's as fast as the turn requires. You can countersteer slowly. The idea is that you don't lean the bike underneath you as most of riders do. Once you know how to properly do it you gain in confidence. You should reread atotw 2. Basics of riding a motorcycle are in the book. Having someone being able to flick the bike is a great asset. Doesn't mean he has to do it in every turn.
I routinely practice moderately "sudden" counter-steering so that I can rapidly change trajectory in an emergency where relying entirely on braking would be not an option. Around legal speed and on a good surface with plenty of spare grip, I doubt it is much of a risk. And in an emergency just about anything is better than colliding with a SUV. Maybe that is why they teach it in courses and in that context, it is right. Obviously, as you explain very well, if you are going fast and close to the limit of grip, then any sudden input (counter-steering, braking, throttling) can get you in trouble. I understand your video is targeted toward drivers who want to be fast, and it is correct in that context. But maybe it would be worth putting a caveat that quick counter-steering can be useful in other more mundane contexts as an emergency maneuver and that is should, like emergency braking, be practiced. Not just discard it because it is doesn't make you "faster". On a motorcycle, you never have enough tools to save your neck.
Two phrases that I think about from this are, "Wait for the weight" and "don't surprise the tires."
Learning to Quick flick a motorcycle is essential as learning to use the brakes to the fullest potential.
As always ,good advice. I didn't start riding until I was about 50, I'm now 62 and I still consider myself a novice rider. I practice smooth riding every time I go out( not often enough) and I always notice an improvement and my enjoyment level is much higher.
As a drummer myself, I can highly relate and confirm the comparison! Drumming is ALL about technique only, NO muscle power at all whatsoever.
"Don't do it abruptly" applies universally; not just for countersteering.
You gotta CATAPULT yourself into the corner and then EXPLODE out but make sure you HAMMER the brakes before ROCKETING into the next, THROWING your bike sideways as you POWER-WHEELIE out! ☄️⚡️💥🔥💀
A few aphorisms come to mind: "Haste makes waste", and, "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast".
The best advice about riding fast and hard came when I was a teenager... from a grizzled Army Instructor left over from the days of messengers and scouts trying to curry their various charges to destinations all over the battlefield...
Awesome video! Slow is smooth, smooth is fast is the mantra I tell myself when I find myself getting in a hurry with any of the controls. I usually slow my speed down a bit as well so I'm not riding faster than I can see, which is what makes me rush on the controls.
I like the phrase tip in. Set ones entry speed to the corner, next the rider chooses a point to “tip in” or set up lean angle, and subsequently maintains throttle/ brake inputs as necessary to get around the corner. Returning upright on the gas only when the exit of the corner is clearly identified.
I love the perfect wisdom at the close of the video: slow hands make fast riders and, more importantly, slow hands make safe riders. BAM!! That is so important. Your videos are the best anywhere! I have scoured YT and no one touches the quality of your educational tips and practices. There are WAY too many channels out there of guys with more testosterone than brains, and they are the ones that can really cause serious injury or death to new riders because of their macho crap. Your no-nonsense approach to all things riding is so refreshing and so inspirational! Thanks for all that you bring to the riding community!!
I can see what you are saying and why folks use words like “snap” even if they don’t mean what they think they mean. As a one time racer and long term street and track rider, I’ve seen so many riders limited by moving to slowly or being unable to turn more quickly. I’m not talking about literally “snapping”, but rather turning very quickly compared to almost all street riders. This is still slow for the bike, but a rate of turning speed hard for a human to make a 400 lb sport bike do with stubby clipons. Case and point, some chicanes I can’t negotiate as quickly at the end of a day when my relatively wimpy arms can’t turn the bike from one side to the other quickly enough to accomplish the feat without running out of pavement at my earlier roll speed. (One travels roughly straight while the bike is near or at the transition from left to right for x seconds at speed y)
Great video. You take broad and abstract concepts (conservation of energy, etc.) that might otherwise seem intimidating and make them feel more approachable. I also really liked your comparison to craftsmanship and drumming, and taking video from professional riders to illustrate exactly what you mean. I've been riding for about a year and these videos really help me wrap me be more deliberate in how I ride.
Grateful for your content - I watch many of your videos each year in March before I get on my Triumph Sprint GT, then watch many again as I do get out there - added this to my watchlist for my annual “online riding school” - thank you!
Terrific message. Nice to see you using your platform for good. I did CSS/Code years ago, which was where a lot of this originated, as well as in the TOTW books.
Assumes everyone understands what countersteering is, but unfortunately many riders do not. It is taught in the beginner Motorcycle Safety course - which was not available when I got my MC license in 1972.