Epoxy, Polyurea or Polyaspartic : Which is the BEST garage floor coating?
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0:00 Intro
0:40 Using High Solids Epoxy Primer
1:10 Why we don't use polyurea primer.
1:42 Broadcasting vinyl chips
2:23 Cleaning up the excess chips
2:50 Mixing the polyaspartic urethane top coat
3:08 Applying polyaspartic top coat
4:10 Why we don't like to do one day garage floor systems.
We started these projects by grinding the old concrete. We had to remove old waterbased epoxy one garage floor and clear sealer on the other one.
Once the floors are cleaned up, we applied high solids epoxy primer to the entire garage floor. Then we broadcast vinyl chips into the wet epoxy.
We came back the next day to clean up all of the excess chips, and then we applied a coat of clear polyaspartic urethane.
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Epoxy vs. Polyurea : I forgot to tell you this one thing about garage floors...
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Hi Tim, when it comes to a new house, do you think it's better to wait before coating the garage floor? My concern is that if I apply the coating right away, the floor may crack in a few years.
Do you recommend any installer in Chicagoland suburbs?
I am a painter and did my first Epoxy floor today. But no way as excellent as yours . I really would like to learn more and exactly like you. Great Video !
That’s great!
Thanks! I teach everything in our courses. You should check them out.
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Love your videos Tim! I have a 1 day coating business and you're right. That slow cure polyaspartic top coat is the secret to a nice backrolled finish.
A couple of key points there were missed in the video. By the way, the quality of workmanship was pretty good. One major difference between epoxy and polyaspartic is that epoxy can handle much greater moisture Ingress loads which enter the garage from the soil below. It is critical to install a moisture barrier to prevent the Ingress of all moisture into the garage. This goal is achieved by installing a epoxy primer directly after the floor is ground and cleaned. The epoxy primer should be selected so that it has a very high moisture vapor barrier quality. This epoxy primer first coating will dry quickly. Second coding should be the high solids epoxy just as explained in this video, but it should also have a high moisture Vapor Barrier prevention content. The combination of the epoxy primer in the high-solids epoxy top coat will effectively prevent moisture Ingress into the garage space. Remember all concrete is porous and allows the penetration of moisture vapor into the garage space. Moisture is very bad for finished garages because it gets trapped behind the wall board in the walls and insulation allowing the growth of black mold, fungus and mildew. It is prevented by the epoxy primer and epoxy high-solids top coating. After the top coating of epoxy is installed than the vinyl chips can go down as described in the video. The third and final coating should be the polyaspartic. Owner should specify the quantity of material to go down on the floor and each coating because it affects the thickness of each coating. Ask the contractor for material specification sheets and read them completely as it will tell you how much product to put down per square footage so that you can achieve the target thickness you select for each coating. Do not leave quantities at the discretion of the contractor as it is likely they will give you a thin coating rather than a thicker more durable, wear resistant coating. Usually the thicker the coating, the stronger it is; however, it will cost you a few dollars more because more product will be used. But it is well worth it in my opinion. So this video missed a couple important items including the epoxy primer coating with moisture Vapor Barrier protection as well as the quantities of each product that goes onto the floor on a per square footage basis to achieve a certain Target thickness for each coating. And don't forget to specify aluminum oxide grit in the final polyaspartic coating to prevent a slipping hazard. Why? Because once the polyaspartic coating dries it will be extremely slick When wet without the inclusion of aluminum oxide Grit.
I agree with you about the moisture concerns:
Epoxy vs. Polyurea : I forgot to tell you this one thing about garage floors...
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@@TimDCVA also Target moisture vapor barrier prevention level in pounds per thousand square feet. As well as amount of product used for coding to achieve Target thickness coating. As well as aluminum oxide grit included in the final polyaspartic coating. As a contractor, you should be including all of these points and giving customers the option to select them to not only improve your profitability but also the quality of your work and thereby customer satisfaction. Why? Because it will achieve the goals of customer and probably sell more product. Happy customers are the key to repeat success and volume of business for you. It's called a win-win scenario.
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Thanks Tim! You and your crew do some incredibly clean work!
Thanks!
Your method is better Tim! I had a few disasters with the one day system because 15 minutes is not enough time to do a good job for your customers. I fired my dealer who was more of a product pusher. Since switching to a dealer who is more of a resinous floor expert, I have had much better results. What they taught me was exactly the way you do your floors. 👍
Woh, great work! Super informative. I’ll be watching closely for your course when it comes out!
Thanks!
The epoxy/polyaspartic coating course is actually out now. decorativeconcreteschool.teachable.com
Your final segment from 4:00 till 4:44 really resonates with me. I feel a 2 days install really is where the professional install excels.
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How
Wow, the first video on epoxy/flooring with proper explanation!!
Very good job, the video *and* the flooring! ☆
Thanks!
Most beautiful and economical flooring I have ever seen.
👍🏻👍🏻
Best garage floor finish I ever witnessed. Watched 50 or so videos.
Thanks! 🙌🏼
Who knew a garage could look so beautiful?!
Thanks!
Loved it. Glad to watch it.
I use a poly coating for my job and rolling it out is definitely an arm workout
Wow,I’m impressed,great video, thanks 👍
Thank you! 🙏🏻
I work maintenance in a detention center. Thinking of recommending painting the cell floors with this stuff
Thank you for posting this helpful video.
You’re welcome. 👍🏻
Those floors look beautiful
Thank you!
Thank you for the response. Good video
good work, what kind of paste did you use to fix the cracks?
This appears to have a lot of traction, would this be considered a non-slip finish? What would be different in the application process to make it non-slip?
What brand products did you use on this floor. Thanks
What are the shoes your using while since it seems not affect the materials your applying?
How many steps/different grits are used in the grinding process? If it is only one step, what grit do you use?
When it comes to cleaning the polyaspartic top coat, can you use a spinning steam mop?
I have a 36x48 shop. Can this be used on slabs with expansion joints?
TSR a 1 day installer vs Tailored Living premier a 2 day installer. Can you recommend one over the other? Thank you
My garage floor is not level because water needs to drain to one corner. Can the floor still be covered in epoxy effectively?
I am considering TSR to do my garage floor and they will do it in one day...what's your opinion about that?
How long does this last and what is the process of you ever wanted to replace this coating with a different type?
Great Job, which Epoxy Primer was used as the Base Coat Please?
Love the work shoes 😂👍
What do you like to patch the cracks with
What is the best thing to cleaned a stained floor with to help preserve the epoxy and urethane
Can you give me a rough idea of the cost per SFF installed in a gargle? Thank you.
so the polyaspartic top coat prevents for the tyre heat and high traffic garage? because it's more durable than epoxy... Thank you!!
THANKS
Hello Tim , Hello Tim , I live in Florida and would like to coat my driveway and add tint to it. What type of product should I use ? And where do you purchase your products? And would you still use the epoxy base coat ? Thank you and thanks for the videos
? im working for lifetime green coating in ct need to ask how thickness can i go with your base coat
Anybody on this thread know if it’s safe for me to support my car on jackstands on my polyaspartic floor or will the floor suffer damage/crack?
Where did you purchase your Expoxy & polyaspartic
So if you don't want to use chips and just want a smooth clean surface (Think like a clean room) you should use a Polyaspartic primer since it's UV stable and then go to straight to a Polyaspartic urethane top coat?
Thanks!
How thick the coat is the coat with the chips added to it? How much do you need 20 square meters of chips?
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What did you fill the cracks with?
With your poly top coat what’s your cure time for walking, heavy objects and vehicles? Great work btw!
nice vid. would you consider doing the same install on a patio?
I have a brand new house with new spotless cured concrete. Do I need to grind it or just acid wash it?
Clean work 👍👍
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Do you have a list of materials you used?
I'm with you on that epoxies a lot better than the one day in and out epoxy has a better bonding to the substrate
False. The one days should be done in 100% solid polyurea which will penetrate and bond much better than epoxy.
The two day shown here is less strong than the one day and they charged double labor cost.
The capability to do one day is simply because it sets up quicker. It takes more skill and harder to work with which is why coaters shy away from it.
Convenience of the workers is usually a non-factor for a consumer. They want the best product you want the "one day".
Beautiful
What patch is that for the cracks
is this surface slippery when wet?
I got a small 1 car garage.. M and I'm sold!
Great video! I’m curious what you use to fill the cracks?
Thanks! It’s a fast set epoxy paste.
Thank you for this video! I noticed some clients have their baseboards removed for floor treatments and some do not. Does it matter either way and which do you recommend?
It doesn’t really matter to us. I never ask customers to remove them for us… but if it’s a new construction project I will request for them to let us do the floor before they install the baseboard.
If it's a flake floor like this one, we normally ask the customers to remove the baseboards, and we will trowel sand and epoxy and flake up the wall where the baseboard was. Just looks clean and seals everything up 100%.
Whats a general cost range of having this done
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I already had my garage floor done , epoxy grey with chips about 8-9 years ago , I would just like to apply another coat of clear finish over the top , I was wondering what clear coat material that you used
I would probably sand the floor to abrade it and then coat it with a clear polyaspartic coating.
Thank u I like to learn hope send me some videos and where I can buy all these stuff ?
What is the purpose of the vinyl chips?
Nice video.
Wow! Fantastic work! Thank you so much for updating and explaining in detail, now I understand how to choose from the pool of coatings :), just a quick question, what kind of squeegee do you use? a notched one or just plain no teeth?
Thanks!
We use a flat squeegee (no notches).
The top coat is oil base or water base?
How bad would a floor jack ruin it ?
Outstanding job. I am about to apply a 100% solids epoxy with heavy chips layer. I also have a gallon of clear HPU but I’m am unsure about the slab just outside the garage door. With the exposure to UV in AZ I’m not sure that it will not turn yellow overtime. Your thoughts?
We always stop where the door lands because I don’t like the way it looks outside when the door is down. It also eliminates any worries about UV.
Great video! Just curious, what brand products were used for the floors in this video? I am a professional in the business and always looking for other options.
Thanks!
DM me on IG to talk products. @timdcva. I always enjoy seeing what others are doing too.
Do you ever come across slabs that have water damage? My floor is chipping up in an area and has white rings around it, which I assume is from moisture. I really want to do my floor, but am told the epoxy won't stick. Any ideas? Who would fix sometimes like this?
Yes. We use moisture vapor barrier epoxy or urethane cement whenever there are moisture issues.
Please, I’m in the DMV area. I need this done.
We had the same system applied to our garage floor a few years ago. After they ground the concrete, they applied a product to extract moisture out and left it sit with fans for 2 days. They checked the humidity and had to reapply the moisture product again. After another 2 more days, they completed the finish. It's been 4 years (Wisconsin winters/salt) and still looks perfect. How do you deal with moisture and how long do you warranty the system (finish and adhesion)?
That’s cool.
We use a vapor barrier primer that holds down up to 10lbs of pressure. Even if a floor tests low for vapor now, that doesn’t mean it can’t rise in the future, so we just use a vapor barrier on every job.
I have a video here that covers that:
Epoxy vs. Polyurea : I forgot to tell you this one thing about garage floors...
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Could you share the name of the company who applied your floor coating ?
@@SavageBits His own company does this. The name of his company is on the side of his van.
What’s the color of the coating
I want to get our garage floor, done next summer, I will sand it, & get the pros to inspect & install
👍🏻
What's the approximate cost of an average 2 car garage done by you here in NC?
Is there a type of floor covering that you don’t need to grind the concrete? And that works with concave floors like for a laundry room that has a drain in the middle?
If there is no sealer on it then it is a good candidate for acid stained concrete.
When will the decorative concrete class be available. Really interested in taking that class. About to sign up for the combo of epoxy and stained concrete class. Thanks
Hey! Hopefully I will get the metallic and overlay classes done this fall.
Once they are ready, l will offer them at a discounted rate to anyone who is already subscribed to one of the other classes. 👍🏻
Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks!
I have a question:
Would it be possible to just pour on an excess of the top coat, so as to leave say a 1/2 inch depth, and then let it set without rolling?
Is there a reason this is not done?
Yes because it will produce a very thick and uneven coating, and the cost is much higher. The floor loveliness will also determine which areas get a thicker coating and which ones get a thinner coating. So because of cost and flora levelness it is not done. And nor should it be done that way because it will produce a substandard floor that will cost a great deal more money. By contrast , using a roller mechanical brush will produce an even coating and use far less material. And it is important to follow the.
Polly asparic floor coating manufacturer recommendations. And if you don't know what they are , then you should contact the manufacturer and ask for them. They will tell you very precisely on what is to be done, how where and when. Some very very smart people work for the manufacturer and write the application instructions. Don't be foolish like many people are and consult the manufacturer. And they will tell you exactly what to do. The people who sell the floor coating and install it are not follow the manufacturer instructions , thereby boarding the warranty. Most of the people who perform the application are uneducated and arrogant.
And so you must stipulate in the contract that the manufacturer's directions are to be followed precisely.
I'm less concerned about UV stability and more concerned about Epoxy not being able to stretch with Philly area wide weather conditions: below zero in winter to over 100 F in the summer. I've used epoxies, and they always crack and eventually lift up.
Anyone have any input? What about AWF single stage polyurea?
We have no issues with epoxy cracking and lifting.
Polyurea and polyaspartic are basically the same thing. They are great top coats, but they don’t stick to concrete very well.
That only happens if you don't prep floor properly, you don't adress cracks properly, acid wash is not proper prep, bigger cracks should be crack chased before filling them and home depot epoxy is not something you want use.
Polyaspartic is a lot better and more durable than normal epoxy floors. And it’s a lot less slippery considering the whole floor is completely covered in the flake unlike most epoxy jobs.
Is there a more natural look that can be used for basements? Without the chips? I feel the chips are very garage looking, but I want the ease of an epoxy floor for my basement, plus the possible cost savings vs. Vinyl flooring. Any suggestions?
I'd also like to know the basement floor application options.
We have metallic epoxy which works well for basements. I have a few videos on my channel about it.
What would you do if applying polyaspartic to say 4000 sf at one time? Would you have enough time to apply it before it started setting?
We would do that all at once. You just have to have the right employees to keep each step of the process going.
The main thing is to make sure the mixes are timed correctly so that it’s not sitting in the bucket too long.
We cover that sort of thing in our online course. You can check it out here if you’d like:
decorativeconcreteschool.teachable.com
I had the same thing done on my garage floor by a company out of Knoxville, TN. They had to come re-do it because the first guys messed it up. The second crew did a better job, but now about four weeks later, I'm noticing the color is leaching onto my driveway. Mostly where my tires back out of the garage. I've contacted the company again to come check it out. I'm thinking they didn't put enough top coat on or something... IDK.
Was it a one or two day system?
Do you know if they used a vapor barrier?
@@TimDCVA One day. They did everything else like you did. Sanded the floor, filled cracks, put epoxy down - then flakes. They waited for over an hour for that to dry, then scraped and cleaned up excess flakes, then top coat. Waited 48 hours to drive on it.
I tell my customers to wait 7 days before driving. Also make sure they are licensed and have been in business awhile and don’t have bad complaints against them.
@@JohnDoe-er1zp Good idea. These guys had only been in business for 1 year. The first crew only on the job 5 months. Now it's cracking right outside the garage door. They finally did come out to look at the cracks and said they'll fix them.
Is it necessary to rinse the floor and maybe even acid etch after grinding to be sure there is no dust left before rolling on primer?
Thanks!
We never rinse the floor. Our vacs get the floor clean after a few passes. If you are worried about dust you’d be better off running a quick pass with a small shotblaster over it to de-dust it after you grind it.
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Hi, Can you please suggest the details of the products:1. High Solid Epoxy primer and 2. Polyaspartic Coating; where to buy and and what else to look for while purchasing. I am planning to paint my Garage Floor with Epoxy base and using Polyaspartic (clear top) Coating, but finding it very difficult to purchase the items; especially, Polyaspartic is neither available in Home Depot nor in Lowe's. It would be very helpful if you could kindly share the product details. Thanks in advance
Hi.
We use 100% solids epoxy with 90% solids polyaspartic urethane. You usually have to buy directly from the manufacturer.
We don’t offer specific brand suggestions on CZcams. That is available
In our course along with a lot more information about how to do this type of coating.
decorativeconcreteschool.teachable.com
Can you please share what kind of crack filler you used at 0:32 mark? And where to buy it from? Thanks
It’s a fast setting epoxy paste. We have this one private labeled for our company… but most manufacturers sell a similar version.
Awesome video! What do you use for your crack filler?
Thanks!
Any fast setting epoxy paste works… but it was Resuflor 3500 in this video I think.
Does the concrete have to be ground, new construction concrete? also the chips stick directly to the epoxy primer?
Thanks
Yes we always grind the concrete.
We broadcast the chips into the 100% solids primer and it works great. It doesn’t work if you are using a lower solids primer (wb epoxy or low viscosity polyurea)
What is price for it
Do you guys use any sealer product before primer to prevent moisture coming from the concrete floor that sometimes makes bubbles over the time?
We always use a vapor that can handle up to 10lbs of vapor. Sometimes we will do a full vapor barrier if we think it’s necessary. Ex: a basement that’s completely underground.
I have a course that teaches all of our methods if you want to check it out.
DecorativeConcreteSchool.com
hello, what are the things like colored stamps? what kind of substance is it?
Colored vinyl chips
How come you don't open them cracks up
What brands of coatings do you use? Are they available to the DIYer?
I don’t think they are available to DYers.
I discuss which brands I use/like in my course:
decorativeconcreteschool.teachable.com
I'm looking for a coating that can withstand a car repair garage... rolling jacks, jack stands... what would you recommend?
Probably urethane cement.
Yeah I live in the Tampa Bay area I know you're up at Virginia but would you guys recommend anybody down here. Appreciate you guys' content keep up the good work.
Thanks!
Sorry I don’t know anyone down that way.
I've been doing a lot of research as a DIYer and have definitely skipped over the WB "epoxy" but I'm curious what products you are using. I've found a few different brands that seem reputable and cost reasonable, but I'm curious what polyspartic top coat you are using.
I like 100% solids epoxy and 85-90% solids polyaspartic. I cover which specific brands we like in our course.
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Dang 397$ to learn what CZcams showed us for free?!? 😂
Is it more scratch resistant than regular epoxy? I'm looking for the most hard surface after it cures.
Yes it holds up better than an epoxy top coat.
Great video. QUESTION: Is there a primer coat over the concrete floor first, then the epoxy and flakes or, is the primer and epoxy the same step? I know the polyaspartic top coat is last the second day. Thanks.
He answers this question in the video
@@dannyc6656 Sorry no he really didn't. First he talks about High solids epoxy PRIMER then later he says " once we get the floor painted with EPOXY" ( not epoxy primer). This led me to believe the epoxy primer coat is separate from the epoxy coat, you know, the one with color? Anyway, I get that it frustrates you to answer questions clearly in the video. Mine wasn't one of them.
Great. Any suggestions for El Paso??? No one here.
Thanks! No, sorry. I don’t know anyone out that way.
Enjoying your videos very much! GC here, building my own shop this summer and wondering about install timeline. From slab pour to 100% finished interior drywall and paint should be 2 months. Okay to start your process then or wait for more cure on slab? Thanks in advance, very good information and business style you have!
EDIT: In Idaho so I cant just hire you sadly
Thanks!
It’s hard to say. The best way to know for sure is to use RapidRH probes…. but two months is probably fine during the summer months.
@@TimDCVA What are Rapic RH probes?
What's cost for a 750 sq ft garage?