jk aside, here the correct one : gunner : cc dps and team shield support scout : assassin dps and lightning support engineer : pure dps and structural maker support driller : aoe dps and drilling hole support
The fact that I have said „the -- helps the rest of the team play smoother and is the team’s jack of all trades“ to *three classes* in this game says something about it’s balance; everyone’s a support class when you’re down in the caves.
@@blacktigerace6687Gunner also has very high single-target too, not just crowd clear. I would say Gunner has sustained generalist DPS while Engineer has burst generalist DPS.
Average gunner main: I am heavy weapons guy, and this is my weapon. She weighs one hundred fifty kilograms and fires two hundred dollar, custom-tooled cartridges at ten thousand rounds per minute. It costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon for twelve seconds. Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.
Ummm, I don’t even know where to start witchu. I mean, do ya even know who you’re talkin’ to? Do you have any idea, any idea who I am? Basically, kinda a big deal. Oh man, that’s beautiful, heh! Ya listenin’? Ok… grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brudda? I hurt people. I’m a force a’ nature! If you were from where I was from, you’d be f*ckin’ dead!
Another niche use-case for gunner's shield is to throw one AT a bulk detonator's face, which forces it to turn around. It's one of the few reliable ways to redirect its pathing since it's otherwise immune to fear and stun. It's a useful trick on Salvage and Escort as it gives your team more time to kill it and can keep the final blast away from obejctives.
Though at the same time, it sorta blocks that entire line of fire cuz it blocks all projectiles going *in* and through the shield. Which is negligible considering redirecting a bulk on salvage when doing uplink is way, way more useful.
This also works on dreadnoughts, and can interrupt enemy attacks. Additionally while under the effect of fear, they won't attack, which against detonators can give you crucial time to rush past if need be.
@@KingNedya Yeah, if you could pull it off, you'd either all collectively focus on the bulk using the shield to safely gather and focus every fucking thing you have onto that fat bug at the risk of slower uplink (if the shield is outside the uplink) or just stick to the uplink if it's close to finish. The problem is, the moment you are able to throw a shield that's both able to push the bulk AND be within the uplink range, the bulk would long outrange you and would probably be able to hit everyone in the uplink area if you are slow for just a moment. Plus, a bulk blowing up changes the terrain a lot, which is not something any defensive position would like. Though yeah, an engi can just nullify this but if the engi wanted to use repellant setups, he might be limited. I have never been able to set a shield or seen someone set a shield that does both without the entire team run to the other side of the drop pod, because they'd usually run before the bulk could get close. Though, without the uplink, you would be very correct.
Mostly commenting to feed the algorithm: The Gunner‘s supportive aspect is why I love the class. He’s the cornerstone of the team, and learning to place those shield preemptively is really satisfying. I personally enjoy shooting clumps of Mactera and ceiling bugs with an Overtuned Feed Mechanism Hurricane (duck and cover is so fun with this); being a low-budget driller with Burning Hell; and giving praetorians male-pattern baldness with Big Bertha.
On an ever-changing battlefield like Hoxxes, the gunner is a stable surface to anchor to, someone to always fall back on if you need. Gunner also has a lot of neat little details. You've mentioned the utility of catching ziplines mid-fall - notably you don't even have to time the interaction, just holding the button will automatically engage it when you pass by (this also works for refinery pipelines). The shield, too, has interesting utility - as it works through applying the fear effect to enemies, it can interrupt attacks even against dreadnoughts and detonators, and while they move away from it they will not attack further, giving a chance to get past or away from the enemy. This does mean that certain enemies, like rolling patrol bots, q'ronar of both shellback and youngling variety, and trawlers, can go through the shield as they don't have the ability to turn or stop fast enough to run away despite wanting to, but it's a somewhat niche scenario given the relative rarity of those enemies. Additionally, while every class has an armor upgrade granting them resistance to a damage type, Gunner's is by far the strongest - a 50% resistance to all explosive damage. For anything from steam geysers to exploders to attacks like those from trijaw that happen to use explosive damage, Gunner can take twice as much as the other dwarves can. This can be the difference needed to give you the confidence to push forward and take damage for your teammates when it truly matters, if it comes to that.
I would say the Gunner is Consistency. They have massive ammo pools and can lay down heavy sustained fire - they therefore can consistently be relied on to always be shooting at things and never needing to hold their fire for "better targets". They can and should just shoot everything and anything (build dependent on how you go about doing that). Their shield allows for reliable and total defense from attacks and foes (short of repositioners like oppressors), and so they can consistently pick up downed dwarves no matter how hairy the situation is. Their ziplines may be slow and limited in their redeployment, but once placed they are irremovable and will always move and catch dwarves using them. Where as platforms and tunnels are easy to be destroyed or altered because they're just manipulations of terrain (and the scout's traversal is personal and transient) the zipline consistently performs no matter what transpires around it. You can still call this glue, but is a specific flavour of glue.
One of the best past times as a gunner when bored is to join greenbeard lobbies on low haz to give them a person to reliably carry out defense so they can get used to the game. It's fun staying in lobbies with randoms and seeing them slowly get better with their class knowing how fun the game is, even more so when they ask you and slowly get as good or even better than you.
Everyone has their preference. Baron had a hard time with Gunner. I had a hard time with driller and gunner is my most played by far. I do make a point to be proficient and know how all the tools for the other 3 work. Me as an example: Gunner kills:800k Other 3:100k
yes i too i just played engi until diamond 3 and the switched to drill and did not play anything else i just like his playstyle and gunner and scout are not for me i will stick to driller for a while more i think
I just like using certain weapons, I do pick the missing link most of the time, but if I'm starting a mission I'm going to pick the one that I like the guns and abilities of the most. They're all well made and super fun but people have preferences with how they feel.
you know. this seems like it should be obvious, but it's one of those cases of "taken for granted until you take a second to think about it in depth" and i am quite happy that i came across this video. the points make sense and they just click together just right. nice work mann, keep up at it.
As a gunner main, I think of the class as a force of order in the chaos of Hoxis IV. You have the tools to take on any situation on the fly, where engi needs deployment time, scout really struggles with swarms, and driller has trouble reaching out. If I'm on point, there are very few situations I can't stabilize.
This is a very philosophical look into DRG, and I have to compliment you on your very refined vocabulary and choice of words, I hate writing scripts like that, but I love hearing the way that the words flow so elegantly. Very nice, you have a sub and like from me. 10/10 video, like your work, keep it up. Rock and Stone.
Yes!!! You understand! Gunner has the tools to do pretty much anything, but requires time and patience. There is no combat situation in which he does not excel and his zipline is still a damn fine tool despite being slow.
There are mods that can fix that, and I'm not talking the in-game mods, but community mods. I modded the game to have ziplines with a little more ammo, distance, height, and faster motor (aka going up, across, and down) speeds, and now the zipline is perfect. It's faster, reaches higher and farther at base, overall safer, WAY easier to set up n' use, and you have more of them to use without having to be so strict on wasting them and going back to resupply. And that's before you add th in-game mods on top of it! I honestly think they should buff the base zipline to this standard, so we don't have rely on mods (especially for the console players who can't mod their games at all, poor bastards, which given that I'm DRG player that moved from console to Steam Deck, so I know both sides of the issue) but until they do, I heavily recommend this for PC DRG players, it makes Gunners' ziplines much more useful and thus far easier to appreciate.
the gunner is able to be the most painful class to play with the wrong map when playing alone and that can leave a bad taste in the mouth, but with patience and a helpful team he is a joy to play
Learning very useful information about the shield from the video and comments I never knew before! I now appreciate Gunner's shield even more than I ever used to.
Playing every class. As a driller: man drilling is very useful in this game. Engi: man turrets and platforms are very useful in this game gunner: man this shield and zip line are very useful in this game scout: man speed is very useful in this game
Gunner is perfect in combat, and can genuinely outcompete every other class in terms or aoe, and often in terms of single target as well, not to mention that he has access to the best sources of fear in the game (including the shield) which can be very strong, and the shield itself is invaluable. That being said, he suffers outside of combat more than any other class, and in general it's hard to complete objectives as fast.
I think the reason Gunners are so under appriciated is if you have a good Gunner you will not notice it even though he makes the missions a LOT easier, but if you have a bad Gunner you notice that missions go sideways and feel like he's not useful
I remember when i first opened this game, gunner was the first class i spawned as And thats how i became a gunner main As i've put it before, "its like playing heavy tf2 but you can actually move" (im also a heavy main) Also, with the new season, ziplines now have even more support. Set some up before a core stone fight and you can completely cheese the crawlers
I'm a gunner main and I just played a 4 gunner team in haz 5. It was the easiest haz 5 ever. And probably the fastest too. Those bugs did not even saw what hit them. Ziplines against ommuran core, dreadnought or the new core Stone make them so much easier. Finally someone saw the gunners worth. Rock and Stone brothers!
Was hoping this vid would show some hidden value to the gunner that i was yet to realize. Outside of escort/elim a second scout is just so much better for the team.
The same happened to me. When i first started playing i wasnt too interested in Gunner, so i mained engineer. Now i enjoy playing gunner a lot as well as the other classes :]
Also the gunner usually has the best ammo economy of the bunch, making it shoot the most bugs with one resupply. Gunner scales really well into the higher bug counts of haz 5 and haz 5 extra enemies. Usually people who just chill in haz 3, with a haz 4 when they are feeling spicy, don't really need the gunner's glue. So they don't realize what the gunner is good for.
ive always considered engineer the most versatile class, but i like this perspective and analysis a lot! gunner's weapons and overclocks really do afford a huge amount of versatility, i never get bored of playing gunner compared to the other classes. also explosions are always fun
I loved this video so much. Gunner is so good. So many people just have no clue how to use all the tools in Gunner’s kit. I was talking to my friend once about how much each classes absence is felt and I think Gunner’s is the most. When you have a skilled gunner, missions are just easier.
I find gunner to be the most boring class a fair amount of the time, but I have the most hours on him and I always perform consistently well with him until I get bored enough to build a loadout that doesnt work well. I think he can be left out of the action if the more specialized classes have room to breathe, but as soon as things get hairy then hes the best dwarf to be with.
Playing Mactera Plague without a Gunner is harsh. Gotta rely on stuff like a driller tunneling to help close the distance, a scout freezing/pheroing the clouds, or engineer to have his turrets set up to help him take them down faster. A single shield in that situation saves the team's bacon, allowing them to shoot the mactera from complete safety, while also giving both breathing room and time to think on the next move. Gunner is a genius when it comes to simplicity. His guns are simple, his zipline is simple and his shield is simple. How he utilizes them is how he is a genius
Gunner: huge team support/ crowd demolisher Scout: extremely manuverable medic/miner/damage dealer Engineer: MASTER of all trades/huge damage dealer (both single and crowd)/ massive mission support Driller: team killer/ great miner (except for materials) I just personally dont like driller compared to the others My favorite dwarves 1. Carl 2. Engineer 3. Scout 4. Gunner 5. Steve 6. Bosco 7. Driller
This video is dope and I agree with all but categorizing Driller as offense and subsequently Gunner as more defensive. His shield is obviously very defensive but his play style is very oriented toward the attack. He wants to bring the fight to the bugs where the Driller wants the bugs to come to his fight. The Driller provides defensive fortifications by terraforming the area with drills and satchels, and his close quarters weaponry shines brightest while defending said area. The cryo cannon and sludge pump especially are clearly defensive weapons to me. Even the flamethrower is more known for the Sticky Fuel overclock than the Face Melter overclock
During my time in TF2 I loved Pyro for many tools that are used to literally babysit your beloved support classes and destroy enemy supporters; I loved Demo for "easy to start - hard to master" and absolute power of destruction he provides; I loved Heavy for the fact that a big hitbox and healthpool combined with high tunnel damage makes you centre of the combat - a living fortress your teamates can rely on. And when I started DRG... Well, I seemed to play Gunner less than any other class, until I've come to realise, that everything I loved about some TF2 classes is naturally combined in Gunner. Now I simply can't get enough of him.
I think gunner is pretty much entirely combat oriented helping out everyone with the shield and strong main weapons. Even though everyone says gunner doesn't run out of ammo I pretty often run out before everyone else because of how much you can shoot, also a weird effect with the minigun is that it feels like the most satisfying gun to shoot in the game so ofcourse im gonna brrrrrrrrrrrr every single bug I see.
Gunner also has a secret ability called sleeping. If you select Neurotoxin Payload or Minelayer system as a overclock you instantly make the game boring because you kill everything very quickly.
With gunners new mortar overclock comboed with coil gun and leadburster grenade. It really made this class shine. I can make it compete against engineer class now.
As someone who's favorite class is Gunner I always love videos like these The moment my friend unlocked the Thunderhead and Hurricane he instantly dropped Scout and played more Gunner LOL
What combo do I need to have the longest possible heat time for the mini gun? I wanna hold the trigger down for as long as possible but haven't the slightest idea which overclock will work for me on this
DISCLAMER: I got a little carried away and made this comment really long. There’s some useful tips in there if you want to read it, but here‘s a TL;DR if you don‘t: *TL;DR:* the Rotary Overdrive Overclock with the ‚Aggressive Venting‘ Tier 5 Modification is what you want. It lets you shoot **all** your Ammo without stopping, and I’m not joking. If you wanna just hold M1 and fire for as long as possible, make sure to use your special Coolant right **after** overheating. Again, take ‚Aggressive Venting‘ with it. Right, now here’s my overly long comment: While the Rotary Overdrive Overclock **does** increase heat buildup, that Overclock gives you enough special Coolant to use to **fire your whole your whole ammo pool without stopping.** _(this has been tested and verified.)_ You usually only need half of the Coolant in actual gameplay, so it basically removes overheating altogether. (Sidenote: Don’t hoard your Coolant, your Ammo depletes faster than it. Just use it *right* after overheating for maximum efficiency.) I recommend taking the ‚Aggressive Venting’ modification in tier 5, which gives you some nice crowd clear offense (which the Minigun usually lacks.) It makes you WANT to overheat your Minigun to activate the large Area Of Effect and Fear. It also reduces Overheat times, making your special Coolant more effective. The Crowd Clear also means you won’t need to reposition as often, which means more shooting. Rotary overdrive also increases rate of fire, which also means more shooting! The Overclock allows you-, AND *incentivizes* you, to hold M1 for as long as possible. _Technically_ the ‚Cold As The Grave‘ modification in tier 5 allows you to shoot for longer; BUT, as I said, Rotary Overdrive has a **comical** amount of Coolant and you‘ll **never** run out, *so long as you use it right after overheating.* Which you’ll want to do anyways, since it means you’ve activated ‚Aggressive Venting’ and have given yourself, and your teammates, some valuable space. Taking ‚Cold As The Grave’, *or* one of the other heat-effecting modifications on the Minigun, *while* using Rotary Overdrive, is something you want to *avoid,* since the more you overheat with ‚Aggressive Venting‘ and Rotary Overdrive equipped = the longer you’ll be able to shoot. With this overclock, those modifications are more of a downside than anything. Ironically, I use burning hell as my „just hold m1“ minigun. Even though you have to stop firing to prevent it from overheating every once in a while, the fire spread in front of you means bugs will die without you doing anything, meaning you can focus on shooting without having to reposition so often. It’s also easier to use than rotary overdrive, which does take some getting used to. (Getting the most out of your ‚Aggressive Venting’ AOE without getting hurt, for example.) Hope this helps!
what I still hate the most about the leadstorm minigun, is that it still uses 2 ammo per dmg tick, just like the zhukov. While I somewhat can accept this on the zhukov(secondary and two guns), this fact drives me nuts on the leadstorm and I rarely run it because of that fact. They could just give a real ammo number so that it wouldn't be so annoying. At any point you run it, you effectively have half the ammo it says. Yeah, now have fun with that info, hopeit doesn't bother you as it bothers me.
The double damage thing is an old myth. At base Minigun true stats are 15 Rof 1200 ammo 10 damage Still has more damage then any other weapon in the game.
Just knowing there is a gunner with atleast one shield and Iron will in my team just makes me feel as someone has my back. Playing without a gunner might not appear to have as much downsides like having no Driller/Engi/Scout on your team, but the times when sh*t goes down hit diffrent.
Gunner is the only class to have 4 different weapons with a nickname. How would a weapon logically get a nickname? By being effective and reliable. So even from a light lore standpoint your summary is correct.
if i ever screw up a mission im swapping straight to gunner if i didnt know what i was lacking, because, like yours truly, he is our jack of all trades, that's why he's my main man (and he has my favorite weapon in the game).
I'd argue the engineer is more of a jack of all trades than the gunner. He has good crowd control. He has good support capabilities. He has good single target damage. Is he a master of any of those usecases? Nope. But he is indisputably the most capable class for filling any role on the team.
I really like playing gunner when i just want to exterminate the most amount of bugs possible, and with the new mission (deep scan) and scout dotty it turns into a aim training hehe
I do think this is a great video but I would have to say I disagree with some of it. The Gunner was at one point the DPS role while the Driller was basically it's support, not including later progressions the Driller can do amazing amounts of damage it doesn't have the ammo capacity like the Gunner does to be the primary DPS. Now once you start taking into effect upgrades and then overclocks the Gunner right now is in a poor spot compared to the other classes. It's Zipline is only useful in very niche circumstances or you are with less than stellar engineers and drillers or your scouts are green beards not doing their job in the mining department. The Driller can just make a hole for everyone like they should be doing anyway or the Engineer can just construction platforms and make safety zones for everyone on the floor and scaling walls if need be. As to the whole using the Zipline as a means of being "safe" that is generally not a good idea once you get to haz5 really you shouldn't even be doing it in haz4 it is a bad habit that seems nice but it is more likely to get you killed. Even more so now since they've added so many things that can grab you and pull you and knock your ass off the thing. Not to mention placement can still see you get bit and knocked off if your close enough to any surface. As it stands right now the Engineer is completely overpowered, it can out DPS and Crowd Control than any other class in the game, provide the best support in basically making a playing field that is just nulls most terrain issues from generation. It's a class that goes from fairly balanced to the one Dwarf Army and they just keep giving it crazy powerful crap. Now the one thing the Gunner has that does keep it out from being completely useless comparatively speaking is the Shield though to be fair that is only if your team isn't all that good which In that regard does make it a good introductory class but as much as I love it and main it It can't be denied it has fallen flat quite a bit. Should be noted Deep dives are completely different animal.
a DRG class analysis :
gunner : support
scout : support
engineer : support
driller : support
there you go, supporter support supporters
jk aside, here the correct one :
gunner : cc dps and team shield support
scout : assassin dps and lightning support
engineer : pure dps and structural maker support
driller : aoe dps and drilling hole support
The fact that I have said „the -- helps the rest of the team play smoother and is the team’s jack of all trades“ to *three classes* in this game says something about it’s balance; everyone’s a support class when you’re down in the caves.
@@blacktigerace6687Gunner also has very high single-target too, not just crowd clear. I would say Gunner has sustained generalist DPS while Engineer has burst generalist DPS.
@@blacktigerace6687I'd say driller gets the cc title and gunner is sustain dps
Slight modification
Gunner:Support
Scout:Support
Engineer: Support
Driller:War Crimes
LEAD HEADS RISE UP! I BELIEVE IN GUNNER SUPERIORITY
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LEAD HEADS LEAD THE WAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
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Average gunner main:
I am heavy weapons guy, and this is my weapon. She weighs one hundred fifty kilograms and fires two hundred dollar, custom-tooled cartridges at ten thousand rounds per minute. It costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon for twelve seconds.
Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.
*the “lead storm” spins up*
Gunner: UWAAAA! UWAAA!! AH HAHAHAHAHA!!! CRY SOME MORE!!!!
Heh. Cry some more.
Ummm, I don’t even know where to start witchu. I mean, do ya even know who you’re talkin’ to? Do you have any idea, any idea who I am? Basically, kinda a big deal. Oh man, that’s beautiful, heh! Ya listenin’? Ok… grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brudda? I hurt people. I’m a force a’ nature! If you were from where I was from, you’d be f*ckin’ dead!
in reality gunner is just a babysitter for acholic dwarfs
No that's Mission Control
@@dogdog357 your wrong mission control is the lazy older brother who wants them to do all the chores
Gunner and driller share the same braincell. Scout and engi have their own, but often steal gunner and driller's braincell for fun.
Jack of all trades and the master of gun
Great pun 😂
Dwarfs who play one single class:🗿
Dwarfs who play all classes:🗿
There. Welcome to DRG. Rock and Stone.
Another niche use-case for gunner's shield is to throw one AT a bulk detonator's face, which forces it to turn around. It's one of the few reliable ways to redirect its pathing since it's otherwise immune to fear and stun. It's a useful trick on Salvage and Escort as it gives your team more time to kill it and can keep the final blast away from obejctives.
Though at the same time, it sorta blocks that entire line of fire cuz it blocks all projectiles going *in* and through the shield. Which is negligible considering redirecting a bulk on salvage when doing uplink is way, way more useful.
This also works on dreadnoughts, and can interrupt enemy attacks. Additionally while under the effect of fear, they won't attack, which against detonators can give you crucial time to rush past if need be.
@@dumbleking5172Or you could walk into the shield...
You can also use engineer platforms to do this, albeit to a lesser extent
@@KingNedya
Yeah, if you could pull it off, you'd either all collectively focus on the bulk using the shield to safely gather and focus every fucking thing you have onto that fat bug at the risk of slower uplink (if the shield is outside the uplink) or just stick to the uplink if it's close to finish.
The problem is, the moment you are able to throw a shield that's both able to push the bulk AND be within the uplink range, the bulk would long outrange you and would probably be able to hit everyone in the uplink area if you are slow for just a moment.
Plus, a bulk blowing up changes the terrain a lot, which is not something any defensive position would like. Though yeah, an engi can just nullify this but if the engi wanted to use repellant setups, he might be limited.
I have never been able to set a shield or seen someone set a shield that does both without the entire team run to the other side of the drop pod, because they'd usually run before the bulk could get close.
Though, without the uplink, you would be very correct.
Mostly commenting to feed the algorithm:
The Gunner‘s supportive aspect is why I love the class. He’s the cornerstone of the team, and learning to place those shield preemptively is really satisfying.
I personally enjoy shooting clumps of Mactera and ceiling bugs with an Overtuned Feed Mechanism Hurricane (duck and cover is so fun with this);
being a low-budget driller with Burning Hell;
and giving praetorians male-pattern baldness with Big Bertha.
Gotta love how you can mostly trivialize Core Stone Event with a well place zipline
@@Rougie1993 It's so funny, I've seen experienced engineers (and me) join gunners on the ziplines as well, poor engineers.
@@sodaalan Everybody do the conga!
@@Rougie1993 Crawlers! Quick! To the zipline!
As a main gunner , I'm pleased to see people seeing him at his true value. Great video for Rock And Stone !
Love Gunner. Everytime I played another class I thought "I rather play Gunner" or "I could of stopped that as Gunner"
On an ever-changing battlefield like Hoxxes, the gunner is a stable surface to anchor to, someone to always fall back on if you need.
Gunner also has a lot of neat little details. You've mentioned the utility of catching ziplines mid-fall - notably you don't even have to time the interaction, just holding the button will automatically engage it when you pass by (this also works for refinery pipelines). The shield, too, has interesting utility - as it works through applying the fear effect to enemies, it can interrupt attacks even against dreadnoughts and detonators, and while they move away from it they will not attack further, giving a chance to get past or away from the enemy. This does mean that certain enemies, like rolling patrol bots, q'ronar of both shellback and youngling variety, and trawlers, can go through the shield as they don't have the ability to turn or stop fast enough to run away despite wanting to, but it's a somewhat niche scenario given the relative rarity of those enemies. Additionally, while every class has an armor upgrade granting them resistance to a damage type, Gunner's is by far the strongest - a 50% resistance to all explosive damage. For anything from steam geysers to exploders to attacks like those from trijaw that happen to use explosive damage, Gunner can take twice as much as the other dwarves can. This can be the difference needed to give you the confidence to push forward and take damage for your teammates when it truly matters, if it comes to that.
The barracuda rig is rather good
I would say the Gunner is Consistency.
They have massive ammo pools and can lay down heavy sustained fire - they therefore can consistently be relied on to always be shooting at things and never needing to hold their fire for "better targets". They can and should just shoot everything and anything (build dependent on how you go about doing that).
Their shield allows for reliable and total defense from attacks and foes (short of repositioners like oppressors), and so they can consistently pick up downed dwarves no matter how hairy the situation is.
Their ziplines may be slow and limited in their redeployment, but once placed they are irremovable and will always move and catch dwarves using them. Where as platforms and tunnels are easy to be destroyed or altered because they're just manipulations of terrain (and the scout's traversal is personal and transient) the zipline consistently performs no matter what transpires around it.
You can still call this glue, but is a specific flavour of glue.
One of the best past times as a gunner when bored is to join greenbeard lobbies on low haz to give them a person to reliably carry out defense so they can get used to the game. It's fun staying in lobbies with randoms and seeing them slowly get better with their class knowing how fun the game is, even more so when they ask you and slowly get as good or even better than you.
It always struck me as odd that people have these large disparities in playtime between classes. They’re all fun to play as.
Everyone has their preference. Baron had a hard time with Gunner. I had a hard time with driller and gunner is my most played by far. I do make a point to be proficient and know how all the tools for the other 3 work.
Me as an example:
Gunner kills:800k
Other 3:100k
yes i too i just played engi until diamond 3 and the switched to drill and did not play anything else i just like his playstyle and gunner and scout are not for me i will stick to driller for a while more i think
I just like using certain weapons, I do pick the missing link most of the time, but if I'm starting a mission I'm going to pick the one that I like the guns and abilities of the most. They're all well made and super fun but people have preferences with how they feel.
you know. this seems like it should be obvious, but it's one of those cases of "taken for granted until you take a second to think about it in depth" and i am quite happy that i came across this video. the points make sense and they just click together just right. nice work mann, keep up at it.
3 gunners and a driller for shortcuts makes an impervious team.
Driller and gunner share the same braincell. And that braincell is war crimes.
Can confirm, a team with 3+ gunners can melt dreadnoughts as if they were an ice chunk on a desert.
"We could get more machinegun"
As a gunner main, I think of the class as a force of order in the chaos of Hoxis IV. You have the tools to take on any situation on the fly, where engi needs deployment time, scout really struggles with swarms, and driller has trouble reaching out. If I'm on point, there are very few situations I can't stabilize.
I love really big guns.
"Jack of all trades, master of none; is sometimes better than a master of one."
This is a very philosophical look into DRG, and I have to compliment you on your very refined vocabulary and choice of words, I hate writing scripts like that, but I love hearing the way that the words flow so elegantly. Very nice, you have a sub and like from me. 10/10 video, like your work, keep it up. Rock and Stone.
This was so well put together, shark boy! I hope your channel grows!
Yes!!! You understand! Gunner has the tools to do pretty much anything, but requires time and patience. There is no combat situation in which he does not excel and his zipline is still a damn fine tool despite being slow.
Ziplines are amazing for Tritilyte Crystal
Great video, and a refreshingly nuanced take on Gunner besides "big gun, big shield, big fun."
Also an obligatory ROCK AND STONE, YEAHHH!!!
loving your use of Lego Rock Raider music lol
Gunner provides a source of frequent and consistent firepower. And the Zipline, although simple, is very effective. "But it's sloowwww 🥺🥺🥺" So?
There are mods that can fix that, and I'm not talking the in-game mods, but community mods.
I modded the game to have ziplines with a little more ammo, distance, height, and faster motor
(aka going up, across, and down) speeds, and now the zipline is perfect.
It's faster, reaches higher and farther at base, overall safer, WAY easier to set up n' use, and you have more of them to use without having to be so strict on wasting them and going back to resupply. And that's before you add th in-game mods on top of it!
I honestly think they should buff the base zipline to this standard, so we don't have rely on mods (especially for the console players who can't mod their games at all, poor bastards, which given that I'm DRG player that moved from console to Steam Deck, so I know both sides of the issue) but until they do, I heavily recommend this for PC DRG players, it makes Gunners' ziplines much more useful and thus far easier to appreciate.
Perfect analogy, in sense gunner is like the heavy from tf2 being the main powerhouse of a team
this is a really well made video. tight script, nice use of graphics, and especially very mindful choices of gameplay clips for examples.
the gunner is able to be the most painful class to play with the wrong map when playing alone and that can leave a bad taste in the mouth, but with patience and a helpful team he is a joy to play
Very nice in-depth video, well thought out and chill delivery
Rock and Stone brutha
Driller and gunner are my two favorites
This is just a great video in general man
Your mini gun skins are so good
Great video! Really hope you'll do more like this
Learning very useful information about the shield from the video and comments I never knew before! I now appreciate Gunner's shield even more than I ever used to.
Very good analysis! i would love to see as similar video about other classes
Playing every class. As a driller: man drilling is very useful in this game. Engi: man turrets and platforms are very useful in this game gunner: man this shield and zip line are very useful in this game scout: man speed is very useful in this game
Gunner is perfect in combat, and can genuinely outcompete every other class in terms or aoe, and often in terms of single target as well, not to mention that he has access to the best sources of fear in the game (including the shield) which can be very strong, and the shield itself is invaluable.
That being said, he suffers outside of combat more than any other class, and in general it's hard to complete objectives as fast.
8:57 this extra firepower is always very appreciated as a driller main
heres another thing you missed about gunner support, stun
I think the reason Gunners are so under appriciated is if you have a good Gunner you will not notice it even though he makes the missions a LOT easier, but if you have a bad Gunner you notice that missions go sideways and feel like he's not useful
Great video! im working on my first promotion on gunner rn and he is overall i find the must fun class in the game
Two words for gunner main customization
DUKE
NUKEM
It's funny, I get recommended this video while I'm trying to promote my gunner for the first time. Good timing bud
so what im seeing is its perfect for medic mains
I remember when i first opened this game, gunner was the first class i spawned as
And thats how i became a gunner main
As i've put it before, "its like playing heavy tf2 but you can actually move" (im also a heavy main)
Also, with the new season, ziplines now have even more support. Set some up before a core stone fight and you can completely cheese the crawlers
This video is so high quality, you deserve more subs man!
this opened my eyes a bit. gunner is my least played but now i think i know how to try him more
I'm a gunner main and I just played a 4 gunner team in haz 5. It was the easiest haz 5 ever. And probably the fastest too. Those bugs did not even saw what hit them. Ziplines against ommuran core, dreadnought or the new core Stone make them so much easier. Finally someone saw the gunners worth. Rock and Stone brothers!
Was hoping this vid would show some hidden value to the gunner that i was yet to realize. Outside of escort/elim a second scout is just so much better for the team.
Gunner’s role is to be a bodyguard for your teammates. Revives, breathing room, heavy fire support, all things the gunner brings to the table.
The same happened to me. When i first started playing i wasnt too interested in Gunner, so i mained engineer. Now i enjoy playing gunner a lot as well as the other classes :]
Also the gunner usually has the best ammo economy of the bunch, making it shoot the most bugs with one resupply. Gunner scales really well into the higher bug counts of haz 5 and haz 5 extra enemies.
Usually people who just chill in haz 3, with a haz 4 when they are feeling spicy, don't really need the gunner's glue. So they don't realize what the gunner is good for.
I love playing all classes. Theyre all fun in their own way
ive always considered engineer the most versatile class, but i like this perspective and analysis a lot! gunner's weapons and overclocks really do afford a huge amount of versatility, i never get bored of playing gunner compared to the other classes. also explosions are always fun
I think everyone has that one class they never got around to playing seriously until they forced themselves to. For me that was scout (crazy, i know)
Driller for me. I was 3 star gold Gunner by time I was a bronze driller
I used to not like gunner as well. But then I got Bullet Hell.
Nothing like running blowthrough to hit 3 bugs with 1 bullet.
@@warriorfire8103 the moment when you light 3 bugs on fire with the same bullet cannot be replicated
Make the Bugs life into TouHou Boss fight
I loved this video so much. Gunner is so good. So many people just have no clue how to use all the tools in Gunner’s kit. I was talking to my friend once about how much each classes absence is felt and I think Gunner’s is the most. When you have a skilled gunner, missions are just easier.
I find gunner to be the most boring class a fair amount of the time, but I have the most hours on him and I always perform consistently well with him until I get bored enough to build a loadout that doesnt work well. I think he can be left out of the action if the more specialized classes have room to breathe, but as soon as things get hairy then hes the best dwarf to be with.
Playing Mactera Plague without a Gunner is harsh. Gotta rely on stuff like a driller tunneling to help close the distance, a scout freezing/pheroing the clouds, or engineer to have his turrets set up to help him take them down faster.
A single shield in that situation saves the team's bacon, allowing them to shoot the mactera from complete safety, while also giving both breathing room and time to think on the next move.
Gunner is a genius when it comes to simplicity. His guns are simple, his zipline is simple and his shield is simple. How he utilizes them is how he is a genius
Gunner: huge team support/ crowd demolisher
Scout: extremely manuverable medic/miner/damage dealer
Engineer: MASTER of all trades/huge damage dealer (both single and crowd)/ massive mission support
Driller: team killer/ great miner (except for materials)
I just personally dont like driller compared to the others
My favorite dwarves
1. Carl
2. Engineer
3. Scout
4. Gunner
5. Steve
6. Bosco
7. Driller
Everybody thinks the zip line is useless until they need it. Oh, no access to nitra? **que zip line launch**
This video is dope and I agree with all but categorizing Driller as offense and subsequently Gunner as more defensive. His shield is obviously very defensive but his play style is very oriented toward the attack. He wants to bring the fight to the bugs where the Driller wants the bugs to come to his fight.
The Driller provides defensive fortifications by terraforming the area with drills and satchels, and his close quarters weaponry shines brightest while defending said area. The cryo cannon and sludge pump especially are clearly defensive weapons to me. Even the flamethrower is more known for the Sticky Fuel overclock than the Face Melter overclock
During my time in TF2 I loved Pyro for many tools that are used to literally babysit your beloved support classes and destroy enemy supporters; I loved Demo for "easy to start - hard to master" and absolute power of destruction he provides; I loved Heavy for the fact that a big hitbox and healthpool combined with high tunnel damage makes you centre of the combat - a living fortress your teamates can rely on.
And when I started DRG... Well, I seemed to play Gunner less than any other class, until I've come to realise, that everything I loved about some TF2 classes is naturally combined in Gunner.
Now I simply can't get enough of him.
I think gunner is pretty much entirely combat oriented helping out everyone with the shield and strong main weapons. Even though everyone says gunner doesn't run out of ammo I pretty often run out before everyone else because of how much you can shoot, also a weird effect with the minigun is that it feels like the most satisfying gun to shoot in the game so ofcourse im gonna brrrrrrrrrrrr every single bug I see.
Gunner is Dwarven weapons guy, it costs 40 Nitra to fire his gun for 12 seconds
You got a sub for the Rock Raiders music 😏
Easy way to make Gunner op? Use the ammo mod on his zipline
Gunner also has a secret ability called sleeping. If you select Neurotoxin Payload or Minelayer system as a overclock you instantly make the game boring because you kill everything very quickly.
With gunners new mortar overclock comboed with coil gun and leadburster grenade. It really made this class shine. I can make it compete against engineer class now.
As someone who's favorite class is Gunner I always love videos like these
The moment my friend unlocked the Thunderhead and Hurricane he instantly dropped Scout and played more Gunner LOL
A good gunner is the unsung hero of the team, with the exception of hype revives
Sonic Adventure 2 AND Lego Rock Raiders music? Great taste man
What combo do I need to have the longest possible heat time for the mini gun? I wanna hold the trigger down for as long as possible but haven't the slightest idea which overclock will work for me on this
DISCLAMER:
I got a little carried away and made this comment really long. There’s some useful tips in there if you want to read it, but here‘s a TL;DR if you don‘t:
*TL;DR:* the Rotary Overdrive Overclock with the ‚Aggressive Venting‘ Tier 5 Modification is what you want. It lets you shoot **all** your Ammo without stopping, and I’m not joking. If you wanna just hold M1 and fire for as long as possible, make sure to use your special Coolant right **after** overheating. Again, take ‚Aggressive Venting‘ with it.
Right, now here’s my overly long comment:
While the Rotary Overdrive Overclock **does** increase heat buildup, that Overclock gives you enough special Coolant to use to **fire your whole your whole ammo pool without stopping.** _(this has been tested and verified.)_
You usually only need half of the Coolant in actual gameplay, so it basically removes overheating altogether.
(Sidenote: Don’t hoard your Coolant, your Ammo depletes faster than it. Just use it *right* after overheating for maximum efficiency.)
I recommend taking the ‚Aggressive Venting’ modification in tier 5, which gives you some nice crowd clear offense (which the Minigun usually lacks.)
It makes you WANT to overheat your Minigun to activate the large Area Of Effect and Fear. It also reduces Overheat times, making your special Coolant more effective.
The Crowd Clear also means you won’t need to reposition as often, which means more shooting. Rotary overdrive also increases rate of fire, which also means more shooting!
The Overclock allows you-, AND *incentivizes* you, to hold M1 for as long as possible.
_Technically_ the ‚Cold As The Grave‘ modification in tier 5 allows you to shoot for longer; BUT, as I said, Rotary Overdrive has a **comical** amount of Coolant and you‘ll **never** run out, *so long as you use it right after overheating.* Which you’ll want to do anyways, since it means you’ve activated ‚Aggressive Venting’ and have given yourself, and your teammates, some valuable space.
Taking ‚Cold As The Grave’, *or* one of the other heat-effecting modifications on the Minigun, *while* using Rotary Overdrive, is something you want to *avoid,* since the more you overheat with ‚Aggressive Venting‘ and Rotary Overdrive equipped = the longer you’ll be able to shoot.
With this overclock, those modifications are more of a downside than anything.
Ironically, I use burning hell as my „just hold m1“ minigun. Even though you have to stop firing to prevent it from overheating every once in a while, the fire spread in front of you means bugs will die without you doing anything, meaning you can focus on shooting without having to reposition so often. It’s also easier to use than rotary overdrive, which does take some getting used to. (Getting the most out of your ‚Aggressive Venting’ AOE without getting hurt, for example.)
Hope this helps!
what I still hate the most about the leadstorm minigun, is that it still uses 2 ammo per dmg tick, just like the zhukov. While I somewhat can accept this on the zhukov(secondary and two guns), this fact drives me nuts on the leadstorm and I rarely run it because of that fact. They could just give a real ammo number so that it wouldn't be so annoying. At any point you run it, you effectively have half the ammo it says. Yeah, now have fun with that info, hopeit doesn't bother you as it bothers me.
Do remember it does the damage for both those ammo as well.
The double damage thing is an old myth. At base Minigun true stats are
15 Rof
1200 ammo
10 damage
Still has more damage then any other weapon in the game.
Just knowing there is a gunner with atleast one shield and Iron will in my team just makes me feel as someone has my back.
Playing without a gunner might not appear to have as much downsides like having no Driller/Engi/Scout on your team, but the times when sh*t goes down hit diffrent.
Gunner is the only class to have 4 different weapons with a nickname. How would a weapon logically get a nickname? By being effective and reliable.
So even from a light lore standpoint your summary is correct.
The zipline also acts as a defense tool in certain situations when you want to avoid ground based enemies, very useful for the corestone event.
if i ever screw up a mission im swapping straight to gunner if i didnt know what i was lacking, because, like yours truly, he is our jack of all trades, that's why he's my main man (and he has my favorite weapon in the game).
I'd argue the engineer is more of a jack of all trades than the gunner. He has good crowd control. He has good support capabilities. He has good single target damage. Is he a master of any of those usecases? Nope. But he is indisputably the most capable class for filling any role on the team.
For me gunner is simply most fun, have best OC for that
I love my big minigun
I really like playing gunner when i just want to exterminate the most amount of bugs possible, and with the new mission (deep scan) and scout dotty it turns into a aim training hehe
Now I understand ⍤
Well yes but, have you considered defengie?
Gunner is my least played class only because someone almost always picks him first
People are still in confusion that there is an amazing game that exists called deep rock galactic survivor.
are my headphones broken or this video leans to the left
Since when have you been playing drg, because your level is really high?
1:18 what weapon framework is he using?
Mechanized if I recall correctly
@@MrBaron15 thank you
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big gun go brr?
The only thing i like about the gunner is the weapons but i love the drillers infernal rage more
I was the same way though i started with driller instead of engi
gunner is now my favorite class
still hate scout though
Id argue the engi is the most versatile
Second driller
Then gunner
Then scout
Umm why only 88 views?
What about gunner on haz 3< or easy haz 4 missions? I often feel like i could do more useful things when playing gunner
Run ammo mod on zipline
i'm pretty sure the classes are designed to not be jack of all trades
I do think this is a great video but I would have to say I disagree with some of it. The Gunner was at one point the DPS role while the Driller was basically it's support, not including later progressions the Driller can do amazing amounts of damage it doesn't have the ammo capacity like the Gunner does to be the primary DPS. Now once you start taking into effect upgrades and then overclocks the Gunner right now is in a poor spot compared to the other classes. It's Zipline is only useful in very niche circumstances or you are with less than stellar engineers and drillers or your scouts are green beards not doing their job in the mining department. The Driller can just make a hole for everyone like they should be doing anyway or the Engineer can just construction platforms and make safety zones for everyone on the floor and scaling walls if need be. As to the whole using the Zipline as a means of being "safe" that is generally not a good idea once you get to haz5 really you shouldn't even be doing it in haz4 it is a bad habit that seems nice but it is more likely to get you killed. Even more so now since they've added so many things that can grab you and pull you and knock your ass off the thing. Not to mention placement can still see you get bit and knocked off if your close enough to any surface. As it stands right now the Engineer is completely overpowered, it can out DPS and Crowd Control than any other class in the game, provide the best support in basically making a playing field that is just nulls most terrain issues from generation. It's a class that goes from fairly balanced to the one Dwarf Army and they just keep giving it crazy powerful crap. Now the one thing the Gunner has that does keep it out from being completely useless comparatively speaking is the Shield though to be fair that is only if your team isn't all that good which In that regard does make it a good introductory class but as much as I love it and main it It can't be denied it has fallen flat quite a bit. Should be noted Deep dives are completely different animal.
Gunner is braindead easy:v just try not to fall off the ziplines
To bad the zipline is horrible without mods.