We bought a beautiful Palamino stallion and a mare. Both had been raised in pitifully small corrals all of their lives. They were never turned out in a pasture. The stallion was always so worked up and he paced constantly. The BEST thing we could have done was to have the stallion gelded and we did it even though he was 6 years old had been bred many times. Now he is the sweetest natured gentle boy. He can be completely trusted. He is so much happier than he was. Our mare also is happier -and we are thrilled.
It's never too late to geld. My late stallion (rest in peace) was a stallion, mamy years we were at an expensive show boarding stable. Back whem I was an idiot, whem I started to listem to myself when I felt like this can't possibly be right he got gelded at 13 years old eventho he used to be a stud. He was like a whole differend horse when we moved from that bs stable 1200€ a month with indoor arenas and 5 effing hours of turnout in tiny-ass pens per day and tiny stalls in a fancy 60 horse stable. It was downright unnatural and I'm ashamed how mamy years it took me to listen to my instincts and mot listem to the barn witches that told all the stories how angry mares and angry stallions are NORMAL how we should use spurs bita whips. None of that shite anymore I was done! Took me a while to realise It was all made to make PEOPLE happy, not horses that lived there. So pasture stable it was after that and costed us 250€ a month, whips spurs and bits are a thing of the past with my current horse too and pasture stable is the only one I will ever board a horse.
I"ve known stallions that were super sweet, and stallions that were nasty effers. I think it really depends on how they were socialized and if they've been mistreated by stupid humans that don't understand horse language. One of the nastiest stallions I've known was a tiny mini horse named Sir Charles. Poor little dude was confined to a stall inside a barn and never allowed out to interact with the other horses. I could never make headway with him. But then the day came his owners got the bright idea, and wonderful idea, to put him in with a sterile mare. Changed his whole personality. He became the sweetest little fellow that could be handled by anyone. A truly amazing transformation.
@Anders Hoel What point are you making? It's a barren Mare,put in with this Shetland stallion,although,to be honest,these,tough Island Ponies,Shouldn't be Indoor stabled,at all!! Unless,the climate is worse than the Shetland Isles.WbAX.
we have a lustiano stallion who plays perfectly fine with one of our geldings loose in the arena, he is also better well behaved than some of our geldings so i think this depends on the horse
I don't own any geldings but I can't help noticing that my arabian stallion has far better manners than any gelding I know. Since most people ride geldings I know a lot of them. Bad stallion behavior is nearly always caused by humans.
Lustiano and Andalusians are very smart breeds PRE in general are by far more well behaved. They were originally bred for war and needs to be handled side by side with other horses.
I used to work at a vets and I gotta agree, its the same with dogs, if you arent breeding them, then the dog will have a much happier life if its castrated. Can't imagine the frustration of stallions kept in boxes and away from herds when all their instincts are telling them to go breed. I know there are some exceptions but majority of domestic animals are ultimately happier. No point keeping his cherries just to proudly state you own a stallion..you are thinking of YOU and not the HORSE.
I own intact dogs and they aren't miserable and i have intact females in the house too.. they act nothing like how people say they will and is honestly one of the best behaved dogs i have ever had
@@seiren294 Uh.. from what i have seen and what not almost all intact dogs are completely fine and don't have any issues other then when a female dog is in heat but even then they don't act too different or suffer they get over it my mom and my grandparents and my great grandparents have owned intact animals and none of them have ever suffered the way you are saying they usually suffer when intact i see plenty of intact dogs on a daily as where i am spay / neuter isn't common and people barley do it and none of the dogs are acting out or behaving badly actually most of the dogs behave better then spayed / neutered dogs
So true, my neighbor has two female dogs which they don't take care of. Animal control refuses to do anything, dogs are very aggressive and has come into our yard trying to attack our dogs. Neither of them are fixed either so some random stray dog which are around the neighborhood got into there yard and got one of the females pregnant. And neither of them have ever been to the vet, it's surprising that the dog and puppies ended up okay. But it's so sad seeing two beautiful dogs be so aggressive and neglected... And now they have puppies which won't be properly taken care off much less fixed. And most likely also end up pregnant as well, all my family dogs are fixed since we don't want any of them getting pregnant/getting another dog pregnant (we have 2 girls and 1 boy) and it's a good thing we did since in the past strays on rare occasions got into our yard and had we not gotten them fix there was the chance of one getting pregnant
But Rick....if I geld my stallion Pookie he might get mad at me....and hold a grudge....and then maybe he won't magically communicate with me any more...and then he'll post mean things on his FB account about me...and he won't share his thoughts with me any more.. ;>}
My stallion is far to direct to use Facebook to tell me when I've made him angry. (I bathed him on BOTH ends?!!! But he only wanted the back half washed. He's going in where he doesn't even have to look at me again today.😠 )
@@Sarah-cp1dt I love my stallion just the way he is. Personality plus and just bit of a drama queen. He keeps me entertained and makes me laugh. Always forward on the trails and eager to go exploring. Best sport horse ever born and beautiful on top of all that. I got him as a six year old who had never been successfully haltered. Now at six he rides either tackless or in a hybrid halter and leadrope. He says a rope halter might hurt his pretty little face. He rides in company or by himself equally well.
There were TWO stallions at the barn that I was working at before I quit. Poor guys were caged across from each other and got out for an hour. Both of them would be cycled to the same pasture where mares were and I just watched it and felt sick every time. They deserved better, they were both really great horses, but one was developing the behaviors in this video. The other one just depressed me. They said they "had to inject him with vodka daily so he calmed down." I almost responded with "you have sixty three goddamn acres, maybe -put him out to pasture-.
Mine lives outside with other horses and is the world's best babysitter at weaning time. Other people send newly weaned foals over in order to make weaning easier on them.
Stallions can be tame and gentle, but they need extensive work and training, which most casual horse owners lack the skill or the time for. I used to want a Friesian stallion, influenced by Ladyhawke. But with the knowledge I accumulated over the decades, I'd happily settle for an older gentle gelding... I'm not as unbreakable as I used to be.
Worked at a Clydesdale breeding facility and their main stallion was wonderful. He was turned out daily and super chill. I do agree that if he isn't going to be used for breeding then he should be gelded. It cuts down on potential problems and the danger. I have the same opinion with dogs. If you are not a professional breeder then please get them fixed. There are enough dogs out there, stop producing poorly bred puppies
I do agree with Rick though, that the average stallion should be gelded, because their life will be much easier. There are very few people that ever take into account, the average horses need, let alone a stallions need, to have horse companions, be out in the sun, and be treated with some love and respect by their owners. Wouldn't hurt to get them laid from time to time either. I think if you're going to have a breeding stallion, you should also have a mare for him, maybe a sterile mare or surely in this day and age, there's some procedure maybe an IUD that could prevent unwanted pregnancies, and allow the stallion a bit of a normal life. The few stallions I've known, generally live very lonely lives, sometimes in dark stalls and are only brought out to breed a mare. It's no wonder so many of these confined stallions are crazy, any human male would be also in those conditions.
I agree. If you can't offer a horse a good life don't have him. At the moment my stallion is babysitting weanlings for a friend so his usual companions are fenced next to him.
I think it depends a lot on the stallion. I've knewn some stallions that are extremely calm, they could be in a herd with other geldings and it was completely fine. Some could even be together with other stallions (obviously not when mares were close, but we had the option to keep them completely separate). They were no where near being aggressive or the other bad things being said about stallions. Obviously not all stallions are like that and the ones i was talking about where Icelandic horses, which are known to be extremely calm and kind. But i think if it is a kind stallion and you have the option to keep it in a herd with geldings and/or stallions, it is completely fine to keep them as a stallion
Also some of them you could tie up right next to a mare and they would behave, even when it was a mare they were currently in a herd with and breeding with. And keep in mind we didn't really train them to be like that, that was just their character.
Completely agree Rick. The Arab I had years ago was kept as a stallion for 11 years and was always couped up in a stall. I felt terrible and offered to buy him since the owner never did anything with him. The poor stud even ended up hurting his shoulder because he would charge the stall walls to get to the mares. Once I got him I gelded him immediately and I noticed how relieved he was. He became so much better and his quality of life was increased. I even helped with Arab breeding back in the day and I just felt so terrible for the studs. They were always stalled and never got turned out. Please geld!!
He probably calmed down because you stopped trapping him in a stall. Studs don't go around thinking "boy, I know I'd be much happier if someone would just cut my nuts off for me".
Jack Williams here in Idaho owned my mare before we purchased her. I can't count the countless horses he has had that have colliced, and or lost their minds from being kept in dark stalls for MONTHS ON END! Then only time they are brought out is to be ridden hard, shown off, then shoved back into the stall. Don't own a horse people if you aren't able to provide adequate care, and give them the life a horse should have.
Most people doesn't understand horses and therefore should definitely not own a stallion. I grew up on an Arabian stud farm, so naturally we had a stallion present. Thing is, if you know what you are doing and have properly socialized and handled the stallion you wont have to be fearful of it, and you don't have to lock it away in a stable or put it all by himself outdoors. But it is rare to find well mannered stallions these days, so many people ruin them, create aggressive individuals with no manners or horse language skills. I hate to say it, but humans are creating a bunch of aggressive rapists. Far from all stallions know how to behave with and around a mare today, all they got on their brain is sex, and no wonder when humans lock them up and stop them from exercising their natural behavior. It is so sad. Don't get a stallion unless you are prepared to give him a herd to look after. Don't keep him intact unless you are able to provide this for him.
Couldn't have said it better myself. My aunt used to show her Arabian stallion and filly, and her fella only had one iffy behaviour, that was that he liked to snatch food, and never was confined to a stall. I even rode him and helped with grooming him at 8 years old. Its a shame more ppl don't care for horses in general properly let alone think they want stallions and baby goals when they couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel
Totally agree with you you I stood my stallions I had a quarter horse stallion I raised and trained he wouldn't cover a mare in my presence so he had his huge 2 acre lot that he pasture bred and the mare had foals by their side he was the most gentle horse ever my granddaughters would ride him bare back and a rope around his neck he was the best babysitter ever I also had an Arabian stallion he wasn't raised by me but I had known him his whole life he couldn't be turned out with the mares he would have killed him self breeding the mare to the point of death But he had a huge lot where he could run and play Two totally different horses and different breeds but I could ride my stallions side by side without any issues! And without abuse they did it because I was higher than they were I owned them until they died Personally I rather be around a great stallion than a mare in heat and that's a different conversation
I don't like stallions at all, especially right now. My stupid neighbors put their stallion next to our property and near our mares. He broke the fence between the property and now two of our mares, River and Vadalia are pregnant. I've yelled at my neighbors but they say they are not responsible for the stallion breaking into my property and breeding my mares. I don't own geldings only mares, and these people never put the horse out in that pasture. My neighbors said that they didn't think their stallion would breed the mares, I find that hard to believe. People who get stallions please geld them, and if you don't keep them away from mares you don't own.
They are definitely responsible. If the stallion had been properly fenced he wouldn't have gotten out. I use a solid welded steel bar fence over 6' tall and a hot wire for my tiny 15 hand stallion. In my opinion (backed up with decades of experience) hollow steel pole, wood or wire is insufficient.
Your neighbors have no business owning a stallion if they don't think he will breed mares at any and every opportunity. Do these people have no good sense whatsoever? A stallion will breed through a fence if he has to. What are these uninformed people doing with a stallion? Giving stallion owners a bad name with their stupidity, I guess.
Lee Alexander I'm glad that you are knowledgeable about horses unlike almost everyone who owns one. The stallion is this apparent AQHA champion, he is 16 hands high and was bred out of the Impressive line of Quarter Horses. He is a good looking paint but we already have 18 horses that we keep because we rescue and foster as well. The reason I'm upset is because we don't need anymore foals in the world and already so many are orphaned and taken from their mothers. River is a Quarter Horse and the neighbors want her foal but Vadalia we got a month ago and is an ex dressage Lustano who was left in chains about three miles down the road from our house. It's the last thing she needs is to go through the stress of foaling, and the worst part is my neighbors want a stud fee for the mares!
@@vixeneris2307 No way in hell I'd pay a stud fee. I'd be more likely to sue the stallion owner for their irresponsible actions. They should, at the least, be paying all the expenses incurred. That includes the cost of raising the foals until they're sold, advertising until they sell, all vet bills for the mares and the cost of leasing two horses for the duration to replace the use of your mares. Don't forget a fee for maintenance of two pregnant and nursing mares which can get expensive with their increased nutritional needs.
@@vixeneris2307 The fact that they dared to ask for a fee instead of offering to pay all expenses makes me furious. I forget what disease the Impressive line carries because I don't do quarter horses but I hope their stallion has been genetically tested to make sure he's not a carrier since one of the mares is a quarter horse and may be a carrier herself.
I saw this video a while ago. If im not mistaken I believe the owner NEVER takes him out etc. This woman felt bad and wanted to form a bond/ relationship and help. She has other videos where she goes a few times during the week to just to let him out and run because hes constantly stalled. Very sad. Poor thing is clearly frustrated. I dont understand people who get animals and do this, very sad. Love your videos:)
If you lack the experience or don't have good reason to keep a stallion don't keep one. If you have to lock him up and isolate him don't have him. How simple is that.
It is never ending. Over and over we try to educate idiots. My experience is with dogs, but the rediculous ego is universal. "I want to show my kids the miracle of life". Take them to the pound (or kill lot) and show the reality of death.
The life of a teaser stallion must be pure hell of constant sexual frustration and zero normal interaction with a herd 🤬 (even with apparently the little side jobs some get )
If people genuinely don't understand why they shouldn't own a stallion, they certainly won't understand why they don't need to be a breeder. Agreed--most people simply don't need to own a stallion.
She is grooming a Arab. They are known to be sensitive and high strung. Not that I am disrespecting the breed. Just pointing out that grooming against the grain on a breed of horse with a thin coat because they were bred for a warmer climate will cause discomfort.
senka2578 I can absolutely confirm that, when I got my rescue Arabian it took something about 2 months for his skin to just get completely used to a plastic brush, before that his skin shivered every time I took out the hard brush. (I’m talking about the start of our journey when he accepted brushing) But to this day I can’t brush him with metal brushes, only plastic ones. To be honest most Arabians I’ve worked with can’t be brushed with metal brushes. Plus he gets scratched from wearing a blanket in the winter ;-;
I have been listening to your videos all the time. A friend of mine said she has a new barn, but her horse was kicking the walls. She asked if there was something that she could put on the side of the walls so her horse's feet and legs don't get hurt because the horse was kicking the walls. I told her maybe her horse was bored and wanted to be out with the other horses. I am sure she did not like my answer. Everyone had an answer about how to stop the horse from kicking he walls. No one said take the horse out of the stall.
I got a stallion and immediately called the vet to have it scheduled. He’s so much happier as a gelding. He was pretty laidback for a stud but it seemed cruel to make him stay alone all the time.
About 25 years ago I bought a used paper back book on horse training. It was published in 1979. I never looked at it until about 2 to 3 weeks ago. Sometimes the old ways of doing things might give you some good hints. The first thing the author criticized was the way indiscriminate breeding was ruining horses. His belief was that the majority of horse problems was basically because people were breeding horses simply because they could. This situation has only gotten worse. The only time you should breed any animal is because you KNOW the off spring will actually improve the species. Otherwise leave it alone. Another point. I have been in parts of the country where riding a stallion was considered a way to show your superiority over other equestrians. In my opinion this attitude was just prideful arrogance. If the male horse is not a noteworthy example of his breed, that is going to be used to increase the successful viability of the breed, he should be cut before he starts showing stallion tendencies. My $0.02 worth!
I agree with ya here Rick, for the most part. The average horse person, who can only afford a horse or two should not have a stallion IMO. Also agree about the too many unwanted horses already thing. But if you wanted to breed a specialized horse breed, then that's another story. And I've known several stallions over the years. Some were quite nice fellows that were totally cool with human contact. But they do lead awfully lonely lives, unless they are kept with some geldings, or even better, a mare that has been sterilized. The nastiest stallion I ever met, that I could not make any headway with, was transformed into the sweetest fellow once his owners found a sterile mare to put in with him.
I agree 100% with you. I often see young girls with their "powerful" stallions think stallions are better and more beautiful but they all end up having horses they can't control, with stressful behaviors, and they have to sell them
Bought a 1 yr old emeciated stallion and a 9 mnth old mare. They grew up and when the stallion started showing ''stallion'' behaviour we gelded him. Its that easy people geez.
What I'd like to know is why she owns a horse she can't groom without hiding behind a wall. If you're afraid of him don't have him. Not to mention that it's usually better not to annoy your horse needlessly.
I'm curious, what do you think of breeders keeping "teaser" stallions used to tell whether the female is in heat so they can be inseminated? That has to be frustrating for the stallion.
I saw test stallion photo recently and he had a protective apron on him. So he was allowed to jump the mare. Other than that I have no idea of breeding and I domt even want any.
God damn, if I had a horse, I would keep it in a pasture. Locking them up in stalls is just cruel. They need to expend that energy, socialize. Geld your stallions, they'll be a much happier horse.
1 - at first she was using a rubber curry comb, this is supposed be used in a light but circular motion to break up the dirt down to the skin before you brush it out. She switched brushes when he started enjoying it. 2 - this applies to ALL horses, not just stallions! DONT KEEP ANY HORSE LOCKED UP IT WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO ITS MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH. 3 - Noone needs to be breeding, but plenty people own and work with stallions with no problems on the daily.
Point #2 makes point #3 wrong. I've seen too many stallions go through fences to get to a mare in heat. That creates an issue for whoever owns the fence, a probable injury for the stallion, and a problem for the person caring for the mare. It can also be dangerous for a person trying to separate them!
Stallions are ONLY for very VERY EXPERIENCED STALLION handlers. I did not say that wrong. Horse experience is not the same as stallion experience. Stallions are magnificent animals. But they have way more energy and caracter than 99.9% of people can handle.
If you're afraid of him don't have him. And she obviously is or she wouldn't be hiding behind a wall. If I pulled my leadrope up though bars and hid around the corner I'd have one angry suspicious stallion. I ask mine to stand for grooming and bridle path clipping without having to halter him. I do my own training so he's a cooperative partner rather than my adversary.
My stallion isn't locked up. He's out playing with the geldings. He has a job that requires him to be a stallion. I've seen stallions that are kept locked up alone all the time and I pity them. My stallion is a busy and happy horse.
Thanks for this video; too bad the people who should listen to you probably won't. I always felt bad for the stud colts in training at the racetrack; being locked in a stall 23 hours a day is no way for a horse to live. One of the trainers I worked for had a farm only five miles away, so the horses would be sent to the farm for a couple of weeks to be turned out; you could see how much they appreciated it.
I'm concerned if gelding your horse at young age might end up affecting his body structure. Geldings are very generic looking, with low muscle definition unlike mares and stallions. I don't own horses but in case I did, is it possible to neuter the stallion after it has gotten a good body structure? would he lose it even if he kept his routine?
@@kingghidorah8106 hey many people do leave their horses maybe till 1-2 years some do so later to achieve better conformation of a horse but the later you leave the castration the more they could end up retaining more stallion behavior. This could cause them to be possibly possessive over mares or more aggressive towards other male horses
@@kingghidorah8106though I am not a professional and this is just my small bit of research and little knowledge I have obtained and observed over the years 🤗
@@Isabella_TimarieArabianHorses then i should just get a mare in case i get a horse, they're so muscular and have a lot of determination too. Besides male horses need extra care that ugh... if you don't they might need to get their willies removed 💀
My paint horse was a stud til he was 4 years old. He was just as calm and gentle as he is til this day. People didn't believe he was a stallion, told them look he has his nuts. He is a happy gelding til this day, had him since he was 6 months old. He is 10 years old and he is an amazing horse, and I love him dearly. And he likes to chase the wild turkeys out of his pasture and he is a show off, so cute.
I completely agree. Sometimes you can't fix stupid. People and their egos and ignorance are the biggest problem with behavioral issues with any animal.
The horse sport industry is treating animals like efficient money making machines…until they’re not …and then delegate them to the cull pen ( or sold to unsuspecting novice owners who don’t realise they may well have purchased a horse with a lot physical and/ or mental damage. ) There are regulations regarding animal welfare ( I am in Western Europe) but unless there’s some serious visible mistreatment or obvious signs of doping, the welfare people don’t tackle the sport industry. That applies to greyhound racing too. It stinks.
We've had stallions my whole life (not many, 1 or 2 at a time) and I've never once witnessed one self mutilate or even stomp like that. This may be because we only allow the best skills, conformation, and BEHAVIOR to breed. If we have a two year old who is showing too much stallion behavior we will geld him before he even starts training, it's not worth breeding psychotic horses. Of course my current stallion still gets excited when mares are around but ONLY if there is nobody on him and he is not wearing a saddle. He's just well behaved I suppose but he does get a lot of exercise to stay in show shape all year round.
I grew up with a stallion and he was a wonderful horse. I rode him when I was 7 on and he wouldn't even go down a ledge if he thought I would get hurt. How ever this lady is horrible and she is scared of it and jumping into hall. I agree let them out. And punish the little brat trying to bite it outside. Poor horse getting attacked on all side know wonder horse is acting up.
From a medical point of view you have to consider reproductive cancers. They can get testicular cancer and if they have a testicle that has not come down into the scrotum it can become a specific type of tumor in the abdomen which is very dangerous. Long story short just geld them before they get cancer. I am a Certified Veterinary Technician and reproductive cancer is a real problem. My horse passed away from abdominal cancer and it couldn’t be prevented but reproductive cancers can be prevented if you geld your horse. I understand you really can’t spay a horse so you really can’t expect to prevent reproductive cancers in mares just because it is hard to spay a horse. However, gelding a horse is easy and it will prevent a lot of behavior and medical issues.
It’s the second reason after preventing behavioral issues to geld or neuter any male any animal. If the testicle is not there there is a 100% chance that they will not develop testicular cancer. If the horse is crypt they can develop a type of cancer called a Sertoli cell tumor which can also be dangerous. In cats and dogs the main reasons for sterilization are to prevent behavioral issues but also to prevent all reproductive cancers including mammary cancer in the female. As I mentioned I understand spaying a female horse is pretty much impossible so it doesn’t get done often but the same logic follows in male animals all around. I am sorry you find my opinion “stupid”, however, this is what I learned in school and what I stand by. I have worked in shelter medicine most of my career. I know this is small animal medicine but it still resonates because all of these particular organs do the same thing. Of all the cancers in pets I have seen, the overwhelming majority have been mammary, ovarian, testicular, and prostate cancers which are all reproductive cancers that could have been avoided by having the pet fixed at a younger age.
When she was going against the grain she was using a curry comb to loosen up the dirt. After that she went back in with a stiff brush to brush it all off. There are some horses that love being curried, and others that hate it.
When I got my horse he had been kept in a stable for his whole life and when I decided to keep him out for all year except December (weather gets too bad) he got so excited he didn't know what to do with himself 😂😂
I saw this video the other day. No wonder their comments turned off. They lirerally said the stallion not on the pasture every day and they tried say he is sassy because he is a stallion. He was rotting in a box for days. What they expect?
Neighbor had a stallion, he caught wind that my mare was in season. My mare was being ridden by the very Christian hired hand. Nice guy slow on the uptake. Brother saw stallion coming all out to "visit ", the hired man almost ended up in a 3way. Luckily no one was hurt and the saddle did get taken off in the nick of time. Fyi this was in a huge ranch pasture so this was an unexpected encounter. Did end up with a beautiful chill filly though and the hired hand learned about nature. 😉
I have a little thoroughbred mate who used to be a racehorse. She was beat in her stall so she hates being in stalls, so we keep her outside with run ins and shelters. She has acres of land and other horses to be with yet still cribs because of what her previous owners did to her. We have been trying and trying to fix this problem but don't know what to do because we can't get her to stop. Any suggestions?
My horse used to do that nose response for ages every time a woman wore perfume anywhere near him - not at any other time. It was funny. They were quite insulted. I don't think he likes perfume. My horse is an ex-racer and he cribbed for a few years even after I bought him, though he was kept in large large paddocks when he was with me but he eventually stopped. Nothing would stop him wind-sucking until he just got over it. Now he just grazes like a normal horse and has done for the past few years. It's cruel to box an intelligent animal. I think he was damaged from being boxed during his racing days.
He used to have this stallion but when we adopted him we found out that the mare we already had was his half sister so he was geilded the next day. He now lives hapily with his herd of 4 mares on our 47 acres of trees meadows. Hes soooo fat.😂😂
While I agree most idiots that have stallions shouldn't, stallions aren't the devil. The only bad stallions I've dealt with were either locked up all the time, handled badly, or had bad genes. I acquired a nice colt several years ago and decided not to geld him based on the fact that he was an excellent specimen. His mom was nice and quiet and his dad was nice and quiet, and he is the same. He is the most willing, sensitive, and just all around wonderful horse I've ever owned. He's bred before and he knows the difference between working and breeding time. He is pastured 24/7 with geldings that will play with him but will kick his ass if he's being a jerk. So while I agree most people have no business owning a horse let alone a stallion, it doesn't do any good to misinform people by indicating domesticated stallions are going to have a bad life because they are crazy and can't control themselves because it simply isn't true.
When I first got my current colt, he was too little to be gelded. I had so many people trying to talk me into keeping him a stud. No. I never had and never will have a reason to own a stallion. So, I stood firm and I got him gelded as soon as he was old enough.
My favorite saying, Show me the horse, I'll tell you the man." Apropos of stallion, gelding, or mare. A horse is a direct reflection of the human in its life.
I don’t understand why people keep horses stallions if you wish to cage them up like a prisoner? Both my stallions live out full time and guess what? They don’t have behavioral problems they act like any normal horse would because they are treated like one! Obviously they would get all fancy around mares in heat or new horses but that nature . I also I’m extremely confused when people keep horses a stallion if they have no means to breed them? Unless medical reasons or breed endangerment I believe the horse should be gelded but now this is my opinion here. I’d like to hear anyone else’s thoughts on this though?
I agree geld all colts. It makes life easier for everyone including the horse. I work with 7 TB Breeding Stallions on a client's TB Stud. They are more fortunate than many in that each has a large paddock all year round to graze during the day, they are, at least, always in sight of other horses and during the breeding season they cover mares. Yet, while these particular stallions have a better context to live in than many horses that spend most of their lives boxed in stalls (geldings and mares included), their life is still a significant compromise just in the solitary nature of their existence. On my own place I have a client's entire 2yo colt. He has always lived outside with other horses. Up until about 18months of age that included mares, now he is limited to the company of geldings. He has now also started covering mares. His manners on the ground are impeccable. (He hasn't been started under saddle at this stage). It is worth noting that NONE of the eight I look after are aggressive. They are strong. They are masculine. They will occasionally challenge you but vicious they are not. (Actually - there are 2 more stallions on the stud I work with as well - the teasers - and they too are obedient and well mannered). So, 10 stallions in total. None of which are aggressive or vicious. In FACT of the 18-20 stallions and countless entire colts I have known personally and worked with in just the last few years only one had a genuine nasty streak. But I still reckon geld them because an entire male horse has testosterone in his system and unless it is handled skilfully there will be tears before bedtime.
Interesting to hear your commentary on this video. I hope someone (anyone???) takes your message to heart. There are too many unwanted horses for people to feed their ego by breeding their horse. GELD YOUR HORSE PEOPLE!
I was going to say the same thing. I have a gelding that's a pretty stocky guy, he doesn't really take crap from the studs so turning them out (one at a time) with the gelding seems to do them a world of good. They get to have some herd socialization and are more responsive (and a bit more respectful) in training. In addition, their stalls have large grazing paddocks attached so they run and buck as much as they like, whenever they like. The stalls/paddocks are also only about 20 feet apart, I've found this keeps them much calmer having another horse, even another stallion, close by. I turn the mares out in the field and they barely even notice when the girls wander off. That being said, I don't believe stallions (or any horse) should be kept locked in a stall for 23 hrs a day (or more). These are large animals that have evolved to be walking around and grazing, it's unhealthy, physically and mentally, for them to be in a standard stall situation for any length of time.
@@Arkine13 my stallion is turned out with two gelding and two mares currently. They are stalled to feed and really bad weather. And by bad weather I mean high winds snow and negative temps
@@outlawfarms6961 That's awesome. I'm hoping I can do something similar and then let the boys be out with their little herds, but I've got to get better fencing in first. We have neighbors that often turn out their mares in the field next to us and I could see at least one of them deciding to bust through the fence. I will probably pull the fence in about 20 feet from the other property as well.
a friend of mine had a 20 something year old arabian stallion who was turned out with a hackney pony mare 24/7. at my ranch the stallions get turned out with a little mini gelding. if you do it right, stallions absolutely don't need to be isolated.
@@JCElzinga yep a lot of old school horse people who are responsible and really care for horses use that saying all the time, especially where I come from. Over breeding leads to a lot of horses without homes or end up sold for slaughter. Just a common sense saying that goes a long way 😉
@@JCElzinga it's only used from serious people who know horses and back in the day. Not used in riding stables. People who truly know barn management that have private farms.
@@chirpycrow2061 yea i agree with the message. just normally a saying is like a catchy phrase like 'the long way is the short way'. I'm arguing semantics here. a saying is always a commonly said EXACT phrase. if i google 'the long way is the short way' a bunch of results will come up. if i google your thing, no one uses that exact phrase. Its maybe an old school belief, but its not a saying.
Thank you for doing this video and topic, Rick. I've been wondering about this a lot lately. Thanks for clarifying and giving such common sense reasoning.
People will find all kinds of excuses to not spay or neuter their pets, even if that's actually the best for the animal itself. Most people aren't looking out for what's the best for their animals, they're only interested to look out for what's best for themselves and are unable to make a difference between the nuts of their horse or their dog and their own.
kennikitty so true. People wanna own the biggest, most magnificent stallions or dogs and parade them around. Like living through your kids but with pets lol.
Kate C Exactly. Pets are a possesion and there's a good chunk of people who want to show off with them. The more expensive the animal, the worse it gets. The more of a status symbol the animal, the worse it gets. When Paris Hilton turned pocket sized dogs into a status symbol, everyone started carrying dogs around like an accessoire. These dogs are often highly aggressive towards other dogs and not trained properly, BUT they have this nice and beautiful bag to be carried around in and they're getting groomed and are having baths every week for their shiny coat and they get to wear a different ribbon on their head every day! Yes, because that's what's f*cking imprtant. I'm a vet tech, I see this bs every day. The easiest way to piss me off to carry your perfectly groomed pocket sized ankle-biter to the front desk, that is already growling and barking at other dogs and me the second it enters our doors. You don't need to say a single word and I'm already fed up with you. That's how easy it is. Another one of my favorites are the big bad boys, that parade their big bad dogs into out clinic. You wouldn't believe it. Just ealier this week we had a 9 years dog with a tumor in his right testicle. The owner (male) had the nerve to ask us, if we could please only take out that one testice and leave the second one intact. Out vet couldn't believe his ears, his face was priceless. xD He straightout told him that this question was about the owners own nuts, but we're castrating his DOG, so both nuts will go. End of discussion. Sometimes I love this particular vet, because he doesn't take shit and if he does, he throws it right back at you.
A stallion in even the most capable hands is potentially dangerous, but in the less than capable hands is dangerous. In this case, I agreed with you Rick, this and most intact male horses should indeed be gelded if their life is going to be one of domestication. Additionally, offering food to a stallion from your hand is an invitation to disaster and encouraging increased mouthiness and potential biting habits. Common sense dictates.
Hmmmm. My stallion and I must be oddballs. He never showed aggression towards me, and I could hand feed him at will. Then again, he lived an outdoor life with five other horses, and he and I worked together 6 days a week. Maybe it was because he was never trapped in a stall, had a job, and had a social horse life.
@@gelisgiallen4088 Your experience is not at all typical. There are obviously always rare exceptions, but I would still recommend caution with any intact male horse. Changes in hormones can suddenly change behaviors with no warning.
In almost five decades, I've never met an unmanageable horse....only people who are too weak or unskilled to work with them. Maybe you should just have older more manageable (tired) horses rather than attempting to handle a stallion in the first place. That would be better than mutilating a perfectly good horse. A stallion's virile spirit is what makes them beautiful and alive. Leave a stallion to those who love them like they are and get a different horse, Mr. Common man dicktates.
I would’ve never noticed that she was irritating him when she was brushing him back and forth, I guess I just was focused on the horse being so stud y. Then noticed the change when she brushed him nice and slow.
Great information as always. I don’t have horses but I would like to have some one day. I’m doing all my research and I’m lucky I stumbled into your channel and your horse blog. I’m reading and watching all these videos and I’m learning so much. If one day I’m lucky enough to have land and everything else a horse needs, including a pink bit (I’m joking) I’ll adopt a couple horses and give them a good life full of pink fairy dust. Lol. I want to make sure I can provide a good and happy life for them and all this info is helping immensely to understand these amazing animals. We are lucky to have them around. They teach us patience and kindness. But only if we are willing to listen and observe like you teach. Thank you for this. Mister T and Buddy are good boys!
I notice many of the commenters are defending their having multiple stallions. They think that they are not frustrated, that they, the human are in fact the lead stallion, yada yada. I think they prove Rick's point very well. Think about it. Only the lead stallion mates, the others either are frustrated or frustrated and rebellious and kicked out of the herd. You think this is a good life? If you want to breed horses, take your mare to a champion stallion - you will have a better foal and you wont be part of the problem.
I've seen this video before but I didn't pay attention to her brushing. I agree, it looks like she's deliberately provoking him for the camera. When she brushes him nicely he settles down and is calm.
My stallion hates it if I use a curry comb in circles. He says I must go in the direction his hair lies and only with a soft rubber curry comb. Arabians and some thoroughbreds tend to have sensitive skin and hate being groomed in the usual way.
Best sound a colt can hear is the crunch of those emasculators. I've had several offers on my boys for stud services. I declined and I still gelded them ASAP
I have has so many people ask if they can use my male GSD to breed and I am like “he is neutered you dummy and there are enough animals in this world you dont need to make more!” So annoying.
I know cats arent related to horses but the same happened with a bengal cat which two elderly friends of mine wanted to breed with, but its like they didnt realise what having an indoor male cat would mean for them and me who was lodging with them. Nothing like cat spray and the constant meowing. Did my best to help him use up energy with play but wasnt enough. Eventually they neutered him. Dont get a pedigree unless you know what u are doing.
I thought with a curry comb, you go in circles and against the grain to knock loose the dirt and dead hair so that you can brush it off with a stiff brush later on
yes you're right, it's perfectly fine to use a curry comb in a circular motion, it's not uncomfortable to the horse as long as you brush their coat back afterwards.
This horse looks like a wormblood, they usually have really sensitive skin and even a curry comb can be a bit uncomfortable when used against the grain. Of course you can get most of them used to it but it takes a while and you shouldn’t brush against the grain for this long if the horse isn’t used to it yet.
The horse is named Gringo? Is he a white, light colored or a fair colored horse? I only ask cause Gringo means white man where as Gringa means white woman.
All these folks who keep their horses banged up in stables 24 /7 ,,,your horses will get lame ,and develope stable "vices" ,they are in prison going mad ,nothing else,,all yr cutey vids of them shaking their lips etc is sorrow and frustration ,,these beings are designed to walk all day ,at least 17kms? ( not sure more maybe), slowly ,so there is contant on off pressure on there feet to keep circulation going ,,99% of yr problems are made by bad ignorant management.but i know yr horse is too special and shiny to go out side,, Youd rather call the vet for his legs and dope him with calmer ,so you can keep him in prison ,as this guy says ,,oh hes a stallion ,,he must be special ,oh hes dressage cant run around outside,, I wish you would all lock your damm selves up ,,make sure its a tiny space u can only turn round in ,then come out and perform athletic feats from basically Cold and stiff,no wonder you have sad robotic and unheathly horses ,listen to this guy ,i hope he nearer gives up harrassing you!
Good one (mean ole) Dad - hope you are feeling better and those gorgeous boys are ok - Mokey too. Buddy Hollywood..Wise ole Mr T...and Dad...you are THE BEST 💙 💙 💙
Lots of horses go to kill pens every day and die a miserable death and these are our pets .Its wrong .As soon as they are marked for human consumption they are mistreated as is they mean nothing. There are too many horses.
Horse is all up in her space. Lol telling the horse to relax. She sure doesn't need a stallion. This horse should be turned out with bred broodmares they will put him in his place. I hate how most people stall stallions and show horses. I always say, a good stallion will make a great gelding.
Out of interest. I know a couple of people that own stallions that are kept with geldings and are very chilled. They are not bred from and have jobs. In fact one of them is better behaved than the gelding henis kept with.
In that case I think that is pretty good. I think he is referring to the majority of stallions which is the case a lot of the times. There is always exceptions , I deffinately agree with what your saying though. I think its not the idea of having stallions its people misunderstand them and create a miserable life for them and put the horses in positions to be in bad situations from the majority of people who do not understand how to give stallions a comfortable life.
My stallion strikes and paws the air while showing off to mares or stamps and strikes in order to show dominance to geldings or stallions. I don't see any reason for this to concern me even if I happen to be standing right at his side. It's between him and other horses. It's not about me. Every few minutes he checks in with me and expects to be told what a good horse he is. Praise is obviously important to him. Don't worry. He's a happy guy who lives outside and gets to spend plenty of time with horses.
Yup! I just got two mini stallions. Just rescued them from two different homes. Skin and bones. Just keeping them separated until they get some meat on the bones and then gelding them. Too many unwanted ponies as it is. I have only had a mare in my younger years, full size half draft. But both these guys were treated like puppies and full of bad manners. I love your videos because I never had any issues with my first horse. These guys are learning very quickly that when they do something naughty, their feet start moving :D but I can only do so much until they are a bit healthier. But thanks to your videos in the couple weeks I have had them the kicking and biting, charging and pushing has stopped. I can at least work with them for their care. Awesome work, sir. I will keep watching you and Berryhook.
If horses liked being in a stall ... we would see them inside every tight, small area they could find in nature. Most horses I had, got very nervous and avoided those areas when they could.
i hope you feel the same about dogs, rick. the dog breeding industry is just as vile and there are even more rescue dogs out there than horses. adopt don't shop, people. animals don't exist to be bought and sold like clothes and cars.
I know for me my stallion(s) will be out with a herd of mares. I won't have one stay a stallion if I has to be separated from other horses. My Stud colt I got as a yearling has spent his life with geldings and other stud colts as well as mares and I've noticed a big change in temperament since doing that for him compared to when I got him. But. If I can't let a stallion live as natural of a life as possible then I won't keep it a stallion. No matter what the bloodlines or show record or how great his conformation is.
I've always thought why the stable is so frigging important to humans. Because the horse doesn't care if it's clean, it doesn't care if the walls paints have come off, and it shouldn't be kept there without a good reason. And then there are humans spending money on painting the stables walls white and getting brighter lighting.
I have a happy stallion who is spending the fall babysitting a friend's weanlings. I can turn him lose on the farm to graze near my chair while people ride mares nearby. He handles easily in a nylon halter and doesn't live in a stall. He only covers carefully selected mares with owners who have a good reason to breed the mare. He's just a lovely guy.
Lee Alexander I have a question for you. If your stallion got out and bred some of your neighbors mares would you at least take some responsibility? You seem like a fit stallion owner so I need to know.
@@vixeneris2307 I'd be happy to purchase any unwanted foal he made. If the mare owner wants the foal they will have gotten a free breeding which would otherwise have been rather expensive.
@@lwolfstar7618 I just happened to get a stallion who likes foals. He is also especially fond of children. It just comes naturally to him. But you're absolutely right. Turning a young stallion out with mares in foal is a great way to teach manners. I've done it with several over the years if they wanted to be a little to he obnoxious. By the time those mares foaled the stallions had learned their lesson too well to risk bothering a foal.
@@vixeneris2307 I hope you keep up posted on how the mares do. My biggest concern (if an unwanted pregnancy wasn't a big enough concern) is that it also risks your mares. Pregnancies can and do go wrong and can end up with both dead mares and dead foals without medical intervention. I would absolutely hold them responsible and take them to court if things went that badly. That is a shame that they don't think he could service a mare; how many other stallions are in the area??? Mares don't magically get knocked up...
Well, if you have the knowledge and experience AND the possibility to let a stallion lead a proper horse's life, being outside with other horses and doing what he was meant to do, then you can keep a stallion. Sadly, way too many people (also breeders) simply lock all their horses up in boxes and isolate especially the stallions, so no wonder these poor horses simply turn nuts. I wouldn't keep a stallion myself because I know I don't have the possibilities as well as the knowledge. But if a stallion behaves like a jerk, it's because the humans are idiots. Same with every other horse, basically, even if it's maybe on another level.
Isn't what she's doing at first 'currycombing', where you do have to brush in circles to loosen and lift off caked dirt? Then you brush it off with a coarse brush with the grain. That looks like a 'high end' barn where they keep the horses well groomed and the aisle cleaned, and the horses locked up on a strict schedule. I haven't been to many barns, but the few I have seem like 'screw it' barns, where the horses are free to wander the barn(safely) and pastures, 'cleaning day' is once a week, and the stalls are pretty much only used for feeding time(and probably overnight and bad weather maybe?). The horses seemed happier there with the free choice they had most of the day!
the barn I used to work at had a spanish stallion, so of course he's got hot blood and of course they lock him away from the other horses and he's never ridden and no one can handle him because he's been locked away for over fove years now. After working there for almost two years I left due to the horse abuse and abuse I received however this poor fucking stallion was thrown out in some 13×13 paddock for probably ten minutes every day (or every other day depending on how he acted). He was pretty sweet to be honest but very very mouthy and pushy, he knows when you're afraid and won't let you think twice about moving out of his way, either you move or get shoved. He's a big boy too, due to lack of exercise and overfeeding this poor stallions stomach is easily the size of a large Clydes so of course when he pushes you its not lightly. Any time ANY horse passes he freaks right out, it's a dangerous situation and I've said dozens of times that he NEEDS to be gelded, all my coworkers say "he knows what a mare is" or "he's too old" but as you said in the video he'd eventually calm down, the testosterone levels go down and he would eventually get to be a horse. So what if he mounts a mare? He's gelded nothing will happen so long as he's not out in the field right after he's been gelded. They don't even use him for breeding, hes just a barn decoration that screams and eats and scares people.
We bought a beautiful Palamino stallion and a mare. Both had been raised in pitifully small corrals all of their lives. They were never turned out in a pasture. The stallion was always so worked up and he paced constantly. The BEST thing we could have done was to have the stallion gelded and we did it even though he was 6 years old had been bred many times. Now he is the sweetest natured gentle boy. He can be completely trusted. He is so much happier than he was. Our mare also is happier -and we are thrilled.
It's never too late to geld.
My late stallion (rest in peace) was a stallion, mamy years we were at an expensive show boarding stable.
Back whem I was an idiot, whem I started to listem to myself when I felt like this can't possibly be right he got gelded at 13 years old eventho he used to be a stud.
He was like a whole differend horse when we moved from that bs stable 1200€ a month with indoor arenas and 5 effing hours of turnout in tiny-ass pens per day and tiny stalls in a fancy 60 horse stable.
It was downright unnatural and I'm ashamed how mamy years it took me to listen to my instincts and mot listem to the barn witches that told all the stories how angry mares and angry stallions are NORMAL how we should use spurs bita whips.
None of that shite anymore I was done!
Took me a while to realise It was all made to make PEOPLE happy, not horses that lived there.
So pasture stable it was after that and costed us 250€ a month, whips spurs and bits are a thing of the past with my current horse too and pasture stable is the only one I will ever board a horse.
I"ve known stallions that were super sweet, and stallions that were nasty effers. I think it really depends on how they were socialized and if they've been mistreated by stupid humans that don't understand horse language. One of the nastiest stallions I've known was a tiny mini horse named Sir Charles. Poor little dude was confined to a stall inside a barn and never allowed out to interact with the other horses. I could never make headway with him. But then the day came his owners got the bright idea, and wonderful idea, to put him in with a sterile mare. Changed his whole personality. He became the sweetest little fellow that could be handled by anyone. A truly amazing transformation.
@Anders Hoel What point are you making?
It's a barren Mare,put in with this Shetland stallion,although,to be honest,these,tough Island Ponies,Shouldn't be Indoor stabled,at all!!
Unless,the climate is worse than the Shetland Isles.WbAX.
we have a lustiano stallion who plays perfectly fine with one of our geldings loose in the arena, he is also better well behaved than some of our geldings so i think this depends on the horse
I don't own any geldings but I can't help noticing that my arabian stallion has far better manners than any gelding I know. Since most people ride geldings I know a lot of them. Bad stallion behavior is nearly always caused by humans.
Lustiano and Andalusians are very smart breeds PRE in general are by far more well behaved. They were originally bred for war and needs to be handled side by side with other horses.
I used to work at a vets and I gotta agree, its the same with dogs, if you arent breeding them, then the dog will have a much happier life if its castrated. Can't imagine the frustration of stallions kept in boxes and away from herds when all their instincts are telling them to go breed. I know there are some exceptions but majority of domestic animals are ultimately happier. No point keeping his cherries just to proudly state you own a stallion..you are thinking of YOU and not the HORSE.
Amen.
I own intact dogs and they aren't miserable and i have intact females in the house too.. they act nothing like how people say they will and is honestly one of the best behaved dogs i have ever had
@@jaynecrafter434 depends on the animal some cope ok some dont
@@seiren294 Uh.. from what i have seen and what not almost all intact dogs are completely fine and don't have any issues other then when a female dog is in heat but even then they don't act too different or suffer they get over it my mom and my grandparents and my great grandparents have owned intact animals and none of them have ever suffered the way you are saying they usually suffer when intact i see plenty of intact dogs on a daily as where i am spay / neuter isn't common and people barley do it and none of the dogs are acting out or behaving badly actually most of the dogs behave better then spayed / neutered dogs
So true, my neighbor has two female dogs which they don't take care of. Animal control refuses to do anything, dogs are very aggressive and has come into our yard trying to attack our dogs. Neither of them are fixed either so some random stray dog which are around the neighborhood got into there yard and got one of the females pregnant. And neither of them have ever been to the vet, it's surprising that the dog and puppies ended up okay.
But it's so sad seeing two beautiful dogs be so aggressive and neglected... And now they have puppies which won't be properly taken care off much less fixed. And most likely also end up pregnant as well, all my family dogs are fixed since we don't want any of them getting pregnant/getting another dog pregnant (we have 2 girls and 1 boy) and it's a good thing we did since in the past strays on rare occasions got into our yard and had we not gotten them fix there was the chance of one getting pregnant
But Rick....if I geld my stallion Pookie he might get mad at me....and hold a grudge....and then maybe he won't magically communicate with me any more...and then he'll post mean things on his FB account about me...and he won't share his thoughts with me any more.. ;>}
My stallion is far to direct to use Facebook to tell me when I've made him angry. (I bathed him on BOTH ends?!!! But he only wanted the back half washed. He's going in where he doesn't even have to look at me again today.😠 )
@@Sarah-cp1dt I love my stallion just the way he is. Personality plus and just bit of a drama queen. He keeps me entertained and makes me laugh. Always forward on the trails and eager to go exploring. Best sport horse ever born and beautiful on top of all that. I got him as a six year old who had never been successfully haltered. Now at six he rides either tackless or in a hybrid halter and leadrope. He says a rope halter might hurt his pretty little face. He rides in company or by himself equally well.
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There were TWO stallions at the barn that I was working at before I quit. Poor guys were caged across from each other and got out for an hour. Both of them would be cycled to the same pasture where mares were and I just watched it and felt sick every time.
They deserved better, they were both really great horses, but one was developing the behaviors in this video. The other one just depressed me. They said they "had to inject him with vodka daily so he calmed down." I almost responded with "you have sixty three goddamn acres, maybe -put him out to pasture-.
Mine lives outside with other horses and is the world's best babysitter at weaning time. Other people send newly weaned foals over in order to make weaning easier on them.
Stallions can be tame and gentle, but they need extensive work and training, which most casual horse owners lack the skill or the time for.
I used to want a Friesian stallion, influenced by Ladyhawke. But with the knowledge I accumulated over the decades, I'd happily settle for an older gentle gelding... I'm not as unbreakable as I used to be.
There are way too many horses getting slaughtered because no one wants to take the time to work with them, no one should have a stallion.
Worked at a Clydesdale breeding facility and their main stallion was wonderful. He was turned out daily and super chill. I do agree that if he isn't going to be used for breeding then he should be gelded. It cuts down on potential problems and the danger. I have the same opinion with dogs. If you are not a professional breeder then please get them fixed. There are enough dogs out there, stop producing poorly bred puppies
I do agree with Rick though, that the average stallion should be gelded, because their life will be much easier. There are very few people that ever take into account, the average horses need, let alone a stallions need, to have horse companions, be out in the sun, and be treated with some love and respect by their owners. Wouldn't hurt to get them laid from time to time either. I think if you're going to have a breeding stallion, you should also have a mare for him, maybe a sterile mare or surely in this day and age, there's some procedure maybe an IUD that could prevent unwanted pregnancies, and allow the stallion a bit of a normal life. The few stallions I've known, generally live very lonely lives, sometimes in dark stalls and are only brought out to breed a mare. It's no wonder so many of these confined stallions are crazy, any human male would be also in those conditions.
I agree. If you can't offer a horse a good life don't have him. At the moment my stallion is babysitting weanlings for a friend so his usual companions are fenced next to him.
"An ounce of prevention equals a pound of cure." Brilliant. I'm going to start using that now.
I think it depends a lot on the stallion. I've knewn some stallions that are extremely calm, they could be in a herd with other geldings and it was completely fine. Some could even be together with other stallions (obviously not when mares were close, but we had the option to keep them completely separate). They were no where near being aggressive or the other bad things being said about stallions. Obviously not all stallions are like that and the ones i was talking about where Icelandic horses, which are known to be extremely calm and kind. But i think if it is a kind stallion and you have the option to keep it in a herd with geldings and/or stallions, it is completely fine to keep them as a stallion
Also some of them you could tie up right next to a mare and they would behave, even when it was a mare they were currently in a herd with and breeding with. And keep in mind we didn't really train them to be like that, that was just their character.
Completely agree Rick. The Arab I had years ago was kept as a stallion for 11 years and was always couped up in a stall. I felt terrible and offered to buy him since the owner never did anything with him. The poor stud even ended up hurting his shoulder because he would charge the stall walls to get to the mares. Once I got him I gelded him immediately and I noticed how relieved he was. He became so much better and his quality of life was increased. I even helped with Arab breeding back in the day and I just felt so terrible for the studs. They were always stalled and never got turned out. Please geld!!
He probably calmed down because you stopped trapping him in a stall. Studs don't go around thinking "boy, I know I'd be much happier if someone would just cut my nuts off for me".
Jack Williams here in Idaho owned my mare before we purchased her. I can't count the countless horses he has had that have colliced, and or lost their minds from being kept in dark stalls for MONTHS ON END! Then only time they are brought out is to be ridden hard, shown off, then shoved back into the stall. Don't own a horse people if you aren't able to provide adequate care, and give them the life a horse should have.
Most people doesn't understand horses and therefore should definitely not own a stallion. I grew up on an Arabian stud farm, so naturally we had a stallion present. Thing is, if you know what you are doing and have properly socialized and handled the stallion you wont have to be fearful of it, and you don't have to lock it away in a stable or put it all by himself outdoors.
But it is rare to find well mannered stallions these days, so many people ruin them, create aggressive individuals with no manners or horse language skills. I hate to say it, but humans are creating a bunch of aggressive rapists. Far from all stallions know how to behave with and around a mare today, all they got on their brain is sex, and no wonder when humans lock them up and stop them from exercising their natural behavior. It is so sad.
Don't get a stallion unless you are prepared to give him a herd to look after. Don't keep him intact unless you are able to provide this for him.
Couldn't have said it better myself. My aunt used to show her Arabian stallion and filly, and her fella only had one iffy behaviour, that was that he liked to snatch food, and never was confined to a stall. I even rode him and helped with grooming him at 8 years old. Its a shame more ppl don't care for horses in general properly let alone think they want stallions and baby goals when they couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel
Totally agree with you you
I stood my stallions I had a quarter horse stallion I raised and trained he wouldn't cover a mare in my presence so he had his huge 2 acre lot that he pasture bred and the mare had foals by their side he was the most gentle horse ever my granddaughters would ride him bare back and a rope around his neck he was the best babysitter ever
I also had an Arabian stallion he wasn't raised by me but I had known him his whole life he couldn't be turned out with the mares he would have killed him self breeding the mare to the point of death
But he had a huge lot where he could run and play
Two totally different horses and different breeds but I could ride my stallions side by side without any issues! And without abuse they did it because I was higher than they were I owned them until they died
Personally I rather be around a great stallion than a mare in heat and that's a different conversation
I don't like stallions at all, especially right now. My stupid neighbors put their stallion next to our property and near our mares. He broke the fence between the property and now two of our mares, River and Vadalia are pregnant. I've yelled at my neighbors but they say they are not responsible for the stallion breaking into my property and breeding my mares. I don't own geldings only mares, and these people never put the horse out in that pasture. My neighbors said that they didn't think their stallion would breed the mares, I find that hard to believe. People who get stallions please geld them, and if you don't keep them away from mares you don't own.
They are definitely responsible. If the stallion had been properly fenced he wouldn't have gotten out. I use a solid welded steel bar fence over 6' tall and a hot wire for my tiny 15 hand stallion. In my opinion (backed up with decades of experience) hollow steel pole, wood or wire is insufficient.
Your neighbors have no business owning a stallion if they don't think he will breed mares at any and every opportunity. Do these people have no good sense whatsoever? A stallion will breed through a fence if he has to. What are these uninformed people doing with a stallion? Giving stallion owners a bad name with their stupidity, I guess.
Lee Alexander I'm glad that you are knowledgeable about horses unlike almost everyone who owns one. The stallion is this apparent AQHA champion, he is 16 hands high and was bred out of the Impressive line of Quarter Horses. He is a good looking paint but we already have 18 horses that we keep because we rescue and foster as well. The reason I'm upset is because we don't need anymore foals in the world and already so many are orphaned and taken from their mothers. River is a Quarter Horse and the neighbors want her foal but Vadalia we got a month ago and is an ex dressage Lustano who was left in chains about three miles down the road from our house. It's the last thing she needs is to go through the stress of foaling, and the worst part is my neighbors want a stud fee for the mares!
@@vixeneris2307 No way in hell I'd pay a stud fee. I'd be more likely to sue the stallion owner for their irresponsible actions. They should, at the least, be paying all the expenses incurred. That includes the cost of raising the foals until they're sold, advertising until they sell, all vet bills for the mares and the cost of leasing two horses for the duration to replace the use of your mares. Don't forget a fee for maintenance of two pregnant and nursing mares which can get expensive with their increased nutritional needs.
@@vixeneris2307 The fact that they dared to ask for a fee instead of offering to pay all expenses makes me furious. I forget what disease the Impressive line carries because I don't do quarter horses but I hope their stallion has been genetically tested to make sure he's not a carrier since one of the mares is a quarter horse and may be a carrier herself.
Yes. Too many backyard breeders, much the same as with dogs. Not too mention the temperament of stallions.
I saw this video a while ago. If im not mistaken I believe the owner NEVER takes him out etc. This woman felt bad and wanted to form a bond/ relationship and help. She has other videos where she goes a few times during the week to just to let him out and run because hes constantly stalled. Very sad. Poor thing is clearly frustrated. I dont understand people who get animals and do this, very sad. Love your videos:)
If you lack the experience or don't have good reason to keep a stallion don't keep one. If you have to lock him up and isolate him don't have him. How simple is that.
It is never ending. Over and over we try to educate idiots. My experience is with dogs, but the rediculous ego is universal. "I want to show my kids the miracle of life". Take them to the pound (or kill lot) and show the reality of death.
One of the absolute worst reasons to breed a mare.
The life of a teaser stallion must be pure hell of constant sexual frustration and zero normal interaction with a herd 🤬 (even with apparently the little side jobs some get )
Totally agree with you on this, 100%. Let the horse out and run, or get him fixed. Stop preventing him from what Mother Nature designed him to do.
If people genuinely don't understand why they shouldn't own a stallion, they certainly won't understand why they don't need to be a breeder. Agreed--most people simply don't need to own a stallion.
There are so many backyard breeders period. Horses, pitbulls, snakes/geckos, damn cats.
She is grooming a Arab. They are known to be sensitive and high strung. Not that I am disrespecting the breed. Just pointing out that grooming against the grain on a breed of horse with a thin coat because they were bred for a warmer climate will cause discomfort.
senka2578 I can absolutely confirm that, when I got my rescue Arabian it took something about 2 months for his skin to just get completely used to a plastic brush, before that his skin shivered every time I took out the hard brush. (I’m talking about the start of our journey when he accepted brushing) But to this day I can’t brush him with metal brushes, only plastic ones. To be honest most Arabians I’ve worked with can’t be brushed with metal brushes. Plus he gets scratched from wearing a blanket in the winter ;-;
I have been listening to your videos all the time. A friend of mine said she has a new barn, but her horse was kicking the walls. She asked if there was something that she could put on the side of the walls so her horse's feet and legs don't get hurt because the horse was kicking the walls. I told her maybe her horse was bored and wanted to be out with the other horses. I am sure she did not like my answer. Everyone had an answer about how to stop the horse from kicking he walls. No one said take the horse out of the stall.
So, did she put him out?
I am not sure. She did not say.
I got a stallion and immediately called the vet to have it scheduled. He’s so much happier as a gelding. He was pretty laidback for a stud but it seemed cruel to make him stay alone all the time.
About 25 years ago I bought a used paper back book on horse training. It was published in 1979. I never looked at it until about 2 to 3 weeks ago. Sometimes the old ways of doing things might give you some good hints. The first thing the author criticized was the way indiscriminate breeding was ruining horses. His belief was that the majority of horse problems was basically because people were breeding horses simply because they could. This situation has only gotten worse. The only time you should breed any animal is because you KNOW the off spring will actually improve the species. Otherwise leave it alone.
Another point. I have been in parts of the country where riding a stallion was considered a way to show your superiority over other equestrians. In my opinion this attitude was just prideful arrogance. If the male horse is not a noteworthy example of his breed, that is going to be used to increase the successful viability of the breed, he should be cut before he starts showing stallion tendencies.
My $0.02 worth!
I agree with ya here Rick, for the most part. The average horse person, who can only afford a horse or two should not have a stallion IMO. Also agree about the too many unwanted horses already thing. But if you wanted to breed a specialized horse breed, then that's another story. And I've known several stallions over the years. Some were quite nice fellows that were totally cool with human contact. But they do lead awfully lonely lives, unless they are kept with some geldings, or even better, a mare that has been sterilized. The nastiest stallion I ever met, that I could not make any headway with, was transformed into the sweetest fellow once his owners found a sterile mare to put in with him.
in my mind, a gelding can make a better horse that people want then a mare.
Elise Johns I second this!
Depends on the individual horses.
I rode a Friesian Stallion and it was like riding Harley-Davidson!
Sexual frustration is a hell of a thing!
I agree 100% with you. I often see young girls with their "powerful" stallions think stallions are better and more beautiful but they all end up having horses they can't control, with stressful behaviors, and they have to sell them
Bought a 1 yr old emeciated stallion and a 9 mnth old mare. They grew up and when the stallion started showing ''stallion'' behaviour we gelded him. Its that easy people geez.
Penelope Swink well danes rarely use the danish words for filly and colt so i tend to forget they exist😂
To us its just "that little stallion" or "the little mare over there" 😛
Damn... my heart cried for that poor stallion, that was groomed.. so frustrating to watch.
What I'd like to know is why she owns a horse she can't groom without hiding behind a wall. If you're afraid of him don't have him. Not to mention that it's usually better not to annoy your horse needlessly.
I'm curious, what do you think of breeders keeping "teaser" stallions used to tell whether the female is in heat so they can be inseminated? That has to be frustrating for the stallion.
I saw test stallion photo recently and he had a protective apron on him. So he was allowed to jump the mare. Other than that I have no idea of breeding and I domt even want any.
God damn, if I had a horse, I would keep it in a pasture. Locking them up in stalls is just cruel. They need to expend that energy, socialize. Geld your stallions, they'll be a much happier horse.
1 - at first she was using a rubber curry comb, this is supposed be used in a light but circular motion to break up the dirt down to the skin before you brush it out. She switched brushes when he started enjoying it.
2 - this applies to ALL horses, not just stallions! DONT KEEP ANY HORSE LOCKED UP IT WILL BE DETRIMENTAL TO ITS MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH.
3 - Noone needs to be breeding, but plenty people own and work with stallions with no problems on the daily.
Point #2 makes point #3 wrong. I've seen too many stallions go through fences to get to a mare in heat. That creates an issue for whoever owns the fence, a probable injury for the stallion, and a problem for the person caring for the mare. It can also be dangerous for a person trying to separate them!
Stallions are ONLY for very VERY EXPERIENCED STALLION handlers. I did not say that wrong. Horse experience is not the same as stallion experience. Stallions are magnificent animals. But they have way more energy and caracter than 99.9% of people can handle.
Enough with the over breeding. There is already enough horses going to the slaughterhouse .
He wasn't taught manners number one
Number 2 she doesn't know what she is doing with a stallion!
If you're afraid of him don't have him. And she obviously is or she wouldn't be hiding behind a wall. If I pulled my leadrope up though bars and hid around the corner I'd have one angry suspicious stallion. I ask mine to stand for grooming and bridle path clipping without having to halter him. I do my own training so he's a cooperative partner rather than my adversary.
My stallion isn't locked up. He's out playing with the geldings. He has a job that requires him to be a stallion. I've seen stallions that are kept locked up alone all the time and I pity them. My stallion is a busy and happy horse.
And yes, I trust him.
THANK YOU! Why can’t most people understand that if a stallion is well trained and correctly cared for he is just like any other horse?
Thanks for this video; too bad the people who should listen to you probably won't. I always felt bad for the stud colts in training at the racetrack; being locked in a stall 23 hours a day is no way for a horse to live. One of the trainers I worked for had a farm only five miles away, so the horses would be sent to the farm for a couple of weeks to be turned out; you could see how much they appreciated it.
This woman is so scared of this horse.
unless your'e a horse breeder, geld 'em
I'm concerned if gelding your horse at young age might end up affecting his body structure. Geldings are very generic looking, with low muscle definition unlike mares and stallions. I don't own horses but in case I did, is it possible to neuter the stallion after it has gotten a good body structure? would he lose it even if he kept his routine?
@@kingghidorah8106 hey many people do leave their horses maybe till 1-2 years some do so later to achieve better conformation of a horse but the later you leave the castration the more they could end up retaining more stallion behavior. This could cause them to be possibly possessive over mares or more aggressive towards other male horses
@@kingghidorah8106though I am not a professional and this is just my small bit of research and little knowledge I have obtained and observed over the years 🤗
@@Isabella_TimarieArabianHorses then i should just get a mare in case i get a horse, they're so muscular and have a lot of determination too. Besides male horses need extra care that ugh... if you don't they might need to get their willies removed 💀
@@kingghidorah8106 I love mares and yeah I must admit a sheath cleaning is not the best 🥲
My paint horse was a stud til he was 4 years old. He was just as calm and gentle as he is til this day. People didn't believe he was a stallion, told them look he has his nuts. He is a happy gelding til this day, had him since he was 6 months old. He is 10 years old and he is an amazing horse, and I love him dearly. And he likes to chase the wild turkeys out of his pasture and he is a show off, so cute.
I completely agree. Sometimes you can't fix stupid. People and their egos and ignorance are the biggest problem with behavioral issues with any animal.
The horse sport industry is treating animals like efficient money making machines…until they’re not …and then delegate them to the cull pen ( or sold to unsuspecting novice owners who don’t realise they may well have purchased a horse with a lot physical and/ or mental damage. ) There are regulations regarding animal welfare ( I am in Western Europe) but unless there’s some serious visible mistreatment or obvious signs of doping, the welfare people don’t tackle the sport industry. That applies to greyhound racing too. It stinks.
We've had stallions my whole life (not many, 1 or 2 at a time) and I've never once witnessed one self mutilate or even stomp like that. This may be because we only allow the best skills, conformation, and BEHAVIOR to breed. If we have a two year old who is showing too much stallion behavior we will geld him before he even starts training, it's not worth breeding psychotic horses. Of course my current stallion still gets excited when mares are around but ONLY if there is nobody on him and he is not wearing a saddle. He's just well behaved I suppose but he does get a lot of exercise to stay in show shape all year round.
I grew up with a stallion and he was a wonderful horse. I rode him when I was 7 on and he wouldn't even go down a ledge if he thought I would get hurt.
How ever this lady is horrible and she is scared of it and jumping into hall. I agree let them out. And punish the little brat trying to bite it outside. Poor horse getting attacked on all side know wonder horse is acting up.
From a medical point of view you have to consider reproductive cancers. They can get testicular cancer and if they have a testicle that has not come down into the scrotum it can become a specific type of tumor in the abdomen which is very dangerous. Long story short just geld them before they get cancer. I am a Certified Veterinary Technician and reproductive cancer is a real problem. My horse passed away from abdominal cancer and it couldn’t be prevented but reproductive cancers can be prevented if you geld your horse. I understand you really can’t spay a horse so you really can’t expect to prevent reproductive cancers in mares just because it is hard to spay a horse. However, gelding a horse is easy and it will prevent a lot of behavior and medical issues.
Amanda Hausman I am 100% for gelding, but your argument is stupid. Removing organs because they can become cancerous ......
I worked in the veterinary field as well, I don't think gelding will prevent cancer as a result of cryptorchidism
It’s the second reason after preventing behavioral issues to geld or neuter any male any animal. If the testicle is not there there is a 100% chance that they will not develop testicular cancer. If the horse is crypt they can develop a type of cancer called a Sertoli cell tumor which can also be dangerous. In cats and dogs the main reasons for sterilization are to prevent behavioral issues but also to prevent all reproductive cancers including mammary cancer in the female. As I mentioned I understand spaying a female horse is pretty much impossible so it doesn’t get done often but the same logic follows in male animals all around. I am sorry you find my opinion “stupid”, however, this is what I learned in school and what I stand by. I have worked in shelter medicine most of my career. I know this is small animal medicine but it still resonates because all of these particular organs do the same thing. Of all the cancers in pets I have seen, the overwhelming majority have been mammary, ovarian, testicular, and prostate cancers which are all reproductive cancers that could have been avoided by having the pet fixed at a younger age.
Rick, great education thank you. Anyone can see the pent up energy and frustration of this poor horse, he’s about to go mad, very sad to see.
When she was going against the grain she was using a curry comb to loosen up the dirt. After that she went back in with a stiff brush to brush it all off. There are some horses that love being curried, and others that hate it.
But she currying properly, in a circular motion. She was going back and forth.
When I got my horse he had been kept in a stable for his whole life and when I decided to keep him out for all year except December (weather gets too bad) he got so excited he didn't know what to do with himself 😂😂
I saw this video the other day. No wonder their comments turned off. They lirerally said the stallion not on the pasture every day and they tried say he is sassy because he is a stallion. He was rotting in a box for days. What they expect?
Neighbor had a stallion, he caught wind that my mare was in season. My mare was being ridden by the very Christian hired hand. Nice guy slow on the uptake. Brother saw stallion coming all out to "visit ", the hired man almost ended up in a 3way. Luckily no one was hurt and the saddle did get taken off in the nick of time. Fyi this was in a huge ranch pasture so this was an unexpected encounter. Did end up with a beautiful chill filly though and the hired hand learned about nature. 😉
I have a little thoroughbred mate who used to be a racehorse. She was beat in her stall so she hates being in stalls, so we keep her outside with run ins and shelters. She has acres of land and other horses to be with yet still cribs because of what her previous owners did to her. We have been trying and trying to fix this problem but don't know what to do because we can't get her to stop. Any suggestions?
grazing muzzle
Think Like A Horse thank you! We will try this for sure!
My horse used to do that nose response for ages every time a woman wore perfume anywhere near him - not at any other time. It was funny. They were quite insulted. I don't think he likes perfume. My horse is an ex-racer and he cribbed for a few years even after I bought him, though he was kept in large large paddocks when he was with me but he eventually stopped. Nothing would stop him wind-sucking until he just got over it. Now he just grazes like a normal horse and has done for the past few years. It's cruel to box an intelligent animal. I think he was damaged from being boxed during his racing days.
Alien Robot Most horses are kept in boxes. Not only racehorses. Not everyone has the luxury of pasture, paddocks, in and outs.
He used to have this stallion but when we adopted him we found out that the mare we already had was his half sister so he was geilded the next day. He now lives hapily with his herd of 4 mares on our 47 acres of trees meadows. Hes soooo fat.😂😂
While I agree most idiots that have stallions shouldn't, stallions aren't the devil. The only bad stallions I've dealt with were either locked up all the time, handled badly, or had bad genes. I acquired a nice colt several years ago and decided not to geld him based on the fact that he was an excellent specimen. His mom was nice and quiet and his dad was nice and quiet, and he is the same. He is the most willing, sensitive, and just all around wonderful horse I've ever owned. He's bred before and he knows the difference between working and breeding time. He is pastured 24/7 with geldings that will play with him but will kick his ass if he's being a jerk. So while I agree most people have no business owning a horse let alone a stallion, it doesn't do any good to misinform people by indicating domesticated stallions are going to have a bad life because they are crazy and can't control themselves because it simply isn't true.
Very well said!! I've seen stallions successfully turned out with geldings who were very respectful around mares too when going off the property!!
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I totally agree with this! I work with a few stallions and due to great handling, they are amazing to work with.
When I first got my current colt, he was too little to be gelded. I had so many people trying to talk me into keeping him a stud. No. I never had and never will have a reason to own a stallion. So, I stood firm and I got him gelded as soon as he was old enough.
I've never owned a gelding but I've also never owned a stallion who was not fit to breed.
My favorite saying, Show me the horse, I'll tell you the man." Apropos of stallion, gelding, or mare. A horse is a direct reflection of the human in its life.
I don’t understand why people keep horses stallions if you wish to cage them up like a prisoner? Both my stallions live out full time and guess what? They don’t have behavioral problems they act like any normal horse would because they are treated like one! Obviously they would get all fancy around mares in heat or new horses but that nature .
I also I’m extremely confused when people keep horses a stallion if they have no means to breed them? Unless medical reasons or breed endangerment I believe the horse should be gelded but now this is my opinion here. I’d like to hear anyone else’s thoughts on this though?
That woman agitating him and then saying relax relax over and over is so irritating
I agree geld all colts. It makes life easier for everyone including the horse. I work with 7 TB Breeding Stallions on a client's TB Stud. They are more fortunate than many in that each has a large paddock all year round to graze during the day, they are, at least, always in sight of other horses and during the breeding season they cover mares. Yet, while these particular stallions have a better context to live in than many horses that spend most of their lives boxed in stalls (geldings and mares included), their life is still a significant compromise just in the solitary nature of their existence. On my own place I have a client's entire 2yo colt. He has always lived outside with other horses. Up until about 18months of age that included mares, now he is limited to the company of geldings. He has now also started covering mares. His manners on the ground are impeccable. (He hasn't been started under saddle at this stage). It is worth noting that NONE of the eight I look after are aggressive. They are strong. They are masculine. They will occasionally challenge you but vicious they are not. (Actually - there are 2 more stallions on the stud I work with as well - the teasers - and they too are obedient and well mannered). So, 10 stallions in total. None of which are aggressive or vicious. In FACT of the 18-20 stallions and countless entire colts I have known personally and worked with in just the last few years only one had a genuine nasty streak. But I still reckon geld them because an entire male horse has testosterone in his system and unless it is handled skilfully there will be tears before bedtime.
Interesting to hear your commentary on this video. I hope someone (anyone???) takes your message to heart. There are too many unwanted horses for people to feed their ego by breeding their horse. GELD YOUR HORSE PEOPLE!
My stallion gets along with my gelding and gets turned out with them.
I also have mares too
I was going to say the same thing. I have a gelding that's a pretty stocky guy, he doesn't really take crap from the studs so turning them out (one at a time) with the gelding seems to do them a world of good. They get to have some herd socialization and are more responsive (and a bit more respectful) in training. In addition, their stalls have large grazing paddocks attached so they run and buck as much as they like, whenever they like. The stalls/paddocks are also only about 20 feet apart, I've found this keeps them much calmer having another horse, even another stallion, close by. I turn the mares out in the field and they barely even notice when the girls wander off. That being said, I don't believe stallions (or any horse) should be kept locked in a stall for 23 hrs a day (or more). These are large animals that have evolved to be walking around and grazing, it's unhealthy, physically and mentally, for them to be in a standard stall situation for any length of time.
@@Arkine13 my stallion is turned out with two gelding and two mares currently. They are stalled to feed and really bad weather. And by bad weather I mean high winds snow and negative temps
@@outlawfarms6961 That's awesome. I'm hoping I can do something similar and then let the boys be out with their little herds, but I've got to get better fencing in first. We have neighbors that often turn out their mares in the field next to us and I could see at least one of them deciding to bust through the fence. I will probably pull the fence in about 20 feet from the other property as well.
@@Arkine13 my naighbor has one mare a mile away but if a stallion isn't happy at home. They will find a way to get to that other mare.
a friend of mine had a 20 something year old arabian stallion who was turned out with a hackney pony mare 24/7. at my ranch the stallions get turned out with a little mini gelding. if you do it right, stallions absolutely don't need to be isolated.
The old saying goes, if you're not breeding, you have no business having a stallion on the farm.
is that a saying?
@@JCElzinga yep a lot of old school horse people who are responsible and really care for horses use that saying all the time, especially where I come from. Over breeding leads to a lot of horses without homes or end up sold for slaughter. Just a common sense saying that goes a long way 😉
@@chirpycrow2061 i mean, what you say is true, but i don't think that counts as a saying.
@@JCElzinga it's only used from serious people who know horses and back in the day. Not used in riding stables. People who truly know barn management that have private farms.
@@chirpycrow2061 yea i agree with the message. just normally a saying is like a catchy phrase like 'the long way is the short way'. I'm arguing semantics here. a saying is always a commonly said EXACT phrase. if i google 'the long way is the short way' a bunch of results will come up. if i google your thing, no one uses that exact phrase. Its maybe an old school belief, but its not a saying.
Thank you for doing this video and topic, Rick. I've been wondering about this a lot lately. Thanks for clarifying and giving such common sense reasoning.
People will find all kinds of excuses to not spay or neuter their pets, even if that's actually the best for the animal itself. Most people aren't looking out for what's the best for their animals, they're only interested to look out for what's best for themselves and are unable to make a difference between the nuts of their horse or their dog and their own.
+kennikitty VERY well stated!
Agreed!
kennikitty so true. People wanna own the biggest, most magnificent stallions or dogs and parade them around. Like living through your kids but with pets lol.
Kate C Exactly. Pets are a possesion and there's a good chunk of people who want to show off with them. The more expensive the animal, the worse it gets. The more of a status symbol the animal, the worse it gets. When Paris Hilton turned pocket sized dogs into a status symbol, everyone started carrying dogs around like an accessoire. These dogs are often highly aggressive towards other dogs and not trained properly, BUT they have this nice and beautiful bag to be carried around in and they're getting groomed and are having baths every week for their shiny coat and they get to wear a different ribbon on their head every day! Yes, because that's what's f*cking imprtant.
I'm a vet tech, I see this bs every day. The easiest way to piss me off to carry your perfectly groomed pocket sized ankle-biter to the front desk, that is already growling and barking at other dogs and me the second it enters our doors. You don't need to say a single word and I'm already fed up with you. That's how easy it is. Another one of my favorites are the big bad boys, that parade their big bad dogs into out clinic.
You wouldn't believe it. Just ealier this week we had a 9 years dog with a tumor in his right testicle. The owner (male) had the nerve to ask us, if we could please only take out that one testice and leave the second one intact. Out vet couldn't believe his ears, his face was priceless. xD He straightout told him that this question was about the owners own nuts, but we're castrating his DOG, so both nuts will go. End of discussion. Sometimes I love this particular vet, because he doesn't take shit and if he does, he throws it right back at you.
A stallion in even the most capable hands is potentially dangerous, but in the less than capable hands is dangerous. In this case, I agreed with you Rick, this and most intact male horses should indeed be gelded if their life is going to be one of domestication. Additionally, offering food to a stallion from your hand is an invitation to disaster and encouraging increased mouthiness and potential biting habits. Common sense dictates.
Hmmmm. My stallion and I must be oddballs. He never showed aggression towards me, and I could hand feed him at will. Then again, he lived an outdoor life with five other horses, and he and I worked together 6 days a week. Maybe it was because he was never trapped in a stall, had a job, and had a social horse life.
@@gelisgiallen4088 Your experience is not at all typical. There are obviously always rare exceptions, but I would still recommend caution with any intact male horse. Changes in hormones can suddenly change behaviors with no warning.
In almost five decades, I've never met an unmanageable horse....only people who are too weak or unskilled to work with them. Maybe you should just have older more manageable (tired) horses rather than attempting to handle a stallion in the first place. That would be better than mutilating a perfectly good horse. A stallion's virile spirit is what makes them beautiful and alive. Leave a stallion to those who love them like they are and get a different horse, Mr. Common man dicktates.
Common sense is so rare these days, thanks rick 👍🐴
I would’ve never noticed that she was irritating him when she was brushing him back and forth, I guess I just was focused on the horse being so stud y. Then noticed the change when she brushed him nice and slow.
Great information as always. I don’t have horses but I would like to have some one day. I’m doing all my research and I’m lucky I stumbled into your channel and your horse blog. I’m reading and watching all these videos and I’m learning so much.
If one day I’m lucky enough to have land and everything else a horse needs, including a pink bit (I’m joking) I’ll adopt a couple horses and give them a good life full of pink fairy dust. Lol.
I want to make sure I can provide a good and happy life for them and all this info is helping immensely to understand these amazing animals. We are lucky to have them around. They teach us patience and kindness. But only if we are willing to listen and observe like you teach.
Thank you for this. Mister T and Buddy are good boys!
I notice many of the commenters are defending their having multiple stallions. They think that they are not frustrated, that they, the human are in fact the lead stallion, yada yada. I think they prove Rick's point very well. Think about it. Only the lead stallion mates, the others either are frustrated or frustrated and rebellious and kicked out of the herd. You think this is a good life? If you want to breed horses, take your mare to a champion stallion - you will have a better foal and you wont be part of the problem.
I've seen this video before but I didn't pay attention to her brushing. I agree, it looks like she's deliberately provoking him for the camera. When she brushes him nicely he settles down and is calm.
Um I think the reason she’s going in circles with the brush is becuase she is using a curry comb . Just saying
My stallion hates it if I use a curry comb in circles. He says I must go in the direction his hair lies and only with a soft rubber curry comb. Arabians and some thoroughbreds tend to have sensitive skin and hate being groomed in the usual way.
Poor horse.
Best sound a colt can hear is the crunch of those emasculators. I've had several offers on my boys for stud services. I declined and I still gelded them ASAP
I have has so many people ask if they can use my male GSD to breed and I am like “he is neutered you dummy and there are enough animals in this world you dont need to make more!” So annoying.
I know cats arent related to horses but the same happened with a bengal cat which two elderly friends of mine wanted to breed with, but its like they didnt realise what having an indoor male cat would mean for them and me who was lodging with them. Nothing like cat spray and the constant meowing. Did my best to help him use up energy with play but wasnt enough. Eventually they neutered him. Dont get a pedigree unless you know what u are doing.
I thought with a curry comb, you go in circles and against the grain to knock loose the dirt and dead hair so that you can brush it off with a stiff brush later on
Yeah, I think she was just using the curry comb first and then brushing.
yes you're right, it's perfectly fine to use a curry comb in a circular motion, it's not uncomfortable to the horse as long as you brush their coat back afterwards.
This horse looks like a wormblood, they usually have really sensitive skin and even a curry comb can be a bit uncomfortable when used against the grain. Of course you can get most of them used to it but it takes a while and you shouldn’t brush against the grain for this long if the horse isn’t used to it yet.
The way that woman is picking up his foot is uncomfortable for the horse and dangerous for her.
my stallion does not jump or be agressive and i use whistle commans and he will protect me or if he runs of i whistle and gringo will gallap back
The horse is named Gringo? Is he a white, light colored or a fair colored horse?
I only ask cause Gringo means white man where as Gringa means white woman.
All these folks who keep their horses banged up in stables 24 /7 ,,,your horses will get lame ,and develope stable "vices" ,they are in prison going mad ,nothing else,,all yr cutey vids of them shaking their lips etc is sorrow and frustration ,,these beings are designed to walk all day ,at least 17kms? ( not sure more maybe), slowly ,so there is contant on off pressure on there feet to keep circulation going ,,99% of yr problems are made by bad ignorant management.but i know yr horse is too special and shiny to go out side,,
Youd rather call the vet for his legs and dope him with calmer ,so you can keep him in prison ,as this guy says ,,oh hes a stallion ,,he must be special ,oh hes dressage cant run around outside,,
I wish you would all lock your damm selves up ,,make sure its a tiny space u can only turn round in ,then come out and perform athletic feats from basically
Cold and stiff,no wonder you have sad robotic and unheathly horses ,listen to this guy ,i hope he nearer gives up harrassing you!
Good one (mean ole) Dad - hope you are feeling better and those gorgeous boys are ok - Mokey too. Buddy Hollywood..Wise ole Mr T...and Dad...you are THE BEST 💙 💙 💙
Plenty of fools here commenting about their own stallions & blah, blah, blah.
Some of us have very fine stallions. We are proud of their high quality and kind behavior.
Oh look you attracted one
Lots of horses go to kill pens every day and die a miserable death and these are our pets .Its wrong .As soon as they are marked for human consumption they are mistreated as is they mean nothing. There are too many horses.
Horse is all up in her space. Lol telling the horse to relax. She sure doesn't need a stallion. This horse should be turned out with bred broodmares they will put him in his place. I hate how most people stall stallions and show horses. I always say, a good stallion will make a great gelding.
My great stallion makes a great stallion.
Out of interest. I know a couple of people that own stallions that are kept with geldings and are very chilled. They are not bred from and have jobs. In fact one of them is better behaved than the gelding henis kept with.
In that case I think that is pretty good. I think he is referring to the majority of stallions which is the case a lot of the times. There is always exceptions , I deffinately agree with what your saying though. I think its not the idea of having stallions its people misunderstand them and create a miserable life for them and put the horses in positions to be in bad situations from the majority of people who do not understand how to give stallions a comfortable life.
Only qualified people should handle stallions. I’m not one of those people, so my horse is gelded.
My stallion strikes and paws the air while showing off to mares or stamps and strikes in order to show dominance to geldings or stallions. I don't see any reason for this to concern me even if I happen to be standing right at his side. It's between him and other horses. It's not about me. Every few minutes he checks in with me and expects to be told what a good horse he is. Praise is obviously important to him. Don't worry. He's a happy guy who lives outside and gets to spend plenty of time with horses.
Yup! I just got two mini stallions. Just rescued them from two different homes. Skin and bones. Just keeping them separated until they get some meat on the bones and then gelding them. Too many unwanted ponies as it is. I have only had a mare in my younger years, full size half draft. But both these guys were treated like puppies and full of bad manners. I love your videos because I never had any issues with my first horse. These guys are learning very quickly that when they do something naughty, their feet start moving :D but I can only do so much until they are a bit healthier. But thanks to your videos in the couple weeks I have had them the kicking and biting, charging and pushing has stopped. I can at least work with them for their care. Awesome work, sir. I will keep watching you and Berryhook.
If horses liked being in a stall ... we would see them inside every tight, small area they could find in nature.
Most horses I had, got very nervous and avoided those areas when they could.
i hope you feel the same about dogs, rick. the dog breeding industry is just as vile and there are even more rescue dogs out there than horses. adopt don't shop, people. animals don't exist to be bought and sold like clothes and cars.
Honestly animals probably dont see it that way.
Eilidh Somerville Yes! Not all breeders are bad. Many are improving the breeds!
Unless they are outstanding individuals that are being used in planned breeding programs, geld them! Life will be easier for you and for the horse.
do you support eugenics in humans?
I know for me my stallion(s) will be out with a herd of mares. I won't have one stay a stallion if I has to be separated from other horses. My Stud colt I got as a yearling has spent his life with geldings and other stud colts as well as mares and I've noticed a big change in temperament since doing that for him compared to when I got him. But. If I can't let a stallion live as natural of a life as possible then I won't keep it a stallion. No matter what the bloodlines or show record or how great his conformation is.
It is better to have a first class gelding than a miserable stallion.
I've always thought why the stable is so frigging important to humans. Because the horse doesn't care if it's clean, it doesn't care if the walls paints have come off, and it shouldn't be kept there without a good reason. And then there are humans spending money on painting the stables walls white and getting brighter lighting.
I have a happy stallion who is spending the fall babysitting a friend's weanlings. I can turn him lose on the farm to graze near my chair while people ride mares nearby. He handles easily in a nylon halter and doesn't live in a stall. He only covers carefully selected mares with owners who have a good reason to breed the mare. He's just a lovely guy.
Lee Alexander I have a question for you. If your stallion got out and bred some of your neighbors mares would you at least take some responsibility? You seem like a fit stallion owner so I need to know.
@@vixeneris2307 I'd be happy to purchase any unwanted foal he made. If the mare owner wants the foal they will have gotten a free breeding which would otherwise have been rather expensive.
Yep, a herd of mares will usually teach a stallion manners real fast when it comes to their babies safety lol
@@lwolfstar7618 I just happened to get a stallion who likes foals. He is also especially fond of children. It just comes naturally to him. But you're absolutely right. Turning a young stallion out with mares in foal is a great way to teach manners. I've done it with several over the years if they wanted to be a little to he obnoxious. By the time those mares foaled the stallions had learned their lesson too well to risk bothering a foal.
@@vixeneris2307 I hope you keep up posted on how the mares do. My biggest concern (if an unwanted pregnancy wasn't a big enough concern) is that it also risks your mares. Pregnancies can and do go wrong and can end up with both dead mares and dead foals without medical intervention. I would absolutely hold them responsible and take them to court if things went that badly. That is a shame that they don't think he could service a mare; how many other stallions are in the area??? Mares don't magically get knocked up...
Well, if you have the knowledge and experience AND the possibility to let a stallion lead a proper horse's life, being outside with other horses and doing what he was meant to do, then you can keep a stallion. Sadly, way too many people (also breeders) simply lock all their horses up in boxes and isolate especially the stallions, so no wonder these poor horses simply turn nuts. I wouldn't keep a stallion myself because I know I don't have the possibilities as well as the knowledge. But if a stallion behaves like a jerk, it's because the humans are idiots. Same with every other horse, basically, even if it's maybe on another level.
Isn't what she's doing at first 'currycombing', where you do have to brush in circles to loosen and lift off caked dirt? Then you brush it off with a coarse brush with the grain. That looks like a 'high end' barn where they keep the horses well groomed and the aisle cleaned, and the horses locked up on a strict schedule.
I haven't been to many barns, but the few I have seem like 'screw it' barns, where the horses are free to wander the barn(safely) and pastures, 'cleaning day' is once a week, and the stalls are pretty much only used for feeding time(and probably overnight and bad weather maybe?). The horses seemed happier there with the free choice they had most of the day!
Byzanoid that's what I thought curry combing as you do that on circular motion
Jen 6265 She was roughly going back and forth, not in smooth circles.
the barn I used to work at had a spanish stallion, so of course he's got hot blood and of course they lock him away from the other horses and he's never ridden and no one can handle him because he's been locked away for over fove years now.
After working there for almost two years I left due to the horse abuse and abuse I received however this poor fucking stallion was thrown out in some 13×13 paddock for probably ten minutes every day (or every other day depending on how he acted). He was pretty sweet to be honest but very very mouthy and pushy, he knows when you're afraid and won't let you think twice about moving out of his way, either you move or get shoved.
He's a big boy too, due to lack of exercise and overfeeding this poor stallions stomach is easily the size of a large Clydes so of course when he pushes you its not lightly.
Any time ANY horse passes he freaks right out, it's a dangerous situation and I've said dozens of times that he NEEDS to be gelded, all my coworkers say "he knows what a mare is" or "he's too old" but as you said in the video he'd eventually calm down, the testosterone levels go down and he would eventually get to be a horse. So what if he mounts a mare? He's gelded nothing will happen so long as he's not out in the field right after he's been gelded.
They don't even use him for breeding, hes just a barn decoration that screams and eats and scares people.
Vivien Wolfwright: To which I can only say... stupid humans. What a shame.