Shelob - Mordor's Horror
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- “There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful.” And…
We so often forget the little details when taken back by grave news, but… it is in those little details that an even graver danger is spoken of. An evil which does not side with foul men or Orcs, but hunts, and consumes them all. A monster only ever temporarily placated with sacrifices of living, sentient flesh. Her Ladyship, Shelob.
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Honestly, I kind of hope Shelob survived. The idea that even into the Fourth Age there was something horrid lurking around Mordor is morbidly appealing.
Shelob is Pennywise confirmed, LOL
@@danweaver3901 Pennywise wishes he was a cool as Shelob.
So, in the 4th age, one of Sam's daughters retraced the steps of her father's journey. She desired to see Orodruin herself and cross Gorgoroth. The King Elessar allowed it with an escort. Faramir, lead the guard but they were not to enter Shelob's lair. They climbed the stairs, looked into the entrance, then went around through Minas Morgul (now basically an unholy, but generally safe ruin) up to Cirith Ungol and to the Eastern exit from Shelob's lair. As they looked into the cave, they saw 8 yellow, glowing eyes looking back at them. One of the guard took a shot with their bow. The eyes disappeared and terrible, evil screech and loud scuttling was heard as the dreaded creature fled. Later, the next morning, 2 of the guard of Minas Morgul were missing and a others swore they heard a loud scuttling through the ruins, heading east and south...that is the very last we know of the last daughter of Ungoliant.
@@richardjohansen5371 Is that just a good piece of fan fiction or something Tolkien mentioned himself in one of the books I haven't read?
@Greasus Goldtooth I think it's a bit of both. One of Sam's daughters really loved to travel and explore and Sam did take Rosie and his young family on a road trip to Minas Tirith. The bit about his daughter exploring Mordor I think is fan fiction, but I consider it a really cool little addition.
Can't get enough of Tolkien lore videos, it's such an intriguing world with some of the best fan art out of any fantasy series
I agree! I love seeing how others imagine how characters look.
People always depict her as a standard giant spider, but Tolkien's description is so, so much worse. She is "most like" a spider, but only in the way that Cthulhu is man shaped.
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking, cause yk portraying Ungoliant and Shelob and standard giant spiders was never as terrifying as tolkein described them to be
Ungoliant and shelob were much worse than a spider, just as cthulhu was described as of somebody would look at it they won't be able to comprehend its shape and be driven mad, the same can be said for Ungoliant and Shelob
Shelob is definitely not a standard giant spider because she has a stinger on her abdomen. Spiders do not have stingers.
@@stevenwetherbee7573 but still, they have to be more than that to scare the first dark lord
Tolkien was bitten by a spider as a child and almost died, so he found them terrifying
we all have little shelobs in our homes, hiding in cracks and tiny gaps, perhaps watching us right now. Watching, waiting.
At 9:23, you say Shelob's brood spread throughout the area north of Ephel Duath into Mirkwood.
I have never heard that take before. I think we all know that it makes more sense that Shelob FIRST went to Mirkwood, spawned the race of Spiders that infested that forest, and then traveled south until she eventually settled in the caves along Cirth Ungol Pass.
Extremely well done good Sir!
Wonderful artistry provided by talented Folk and a gripping narration. I'm dutifully impressed.
Thank-you. I think it now time to check out your other vids, which I anticipate are just as well presented.
absolutely enthralling! thank you so much for this meticulous and masterfully weaved piece
😭😭 my bro said "DAMN that's a sexy spider" at the thumbnails😂😂 WHY are my friends like this
I always thought dwarves didn’t became Nazgûl because they couldn’t get up on the horses
I didn't know that Shelob was a spawn from Ungoliant. Thinking about it, could it be that her decision to not bow to Sauron came from Ungoliant sharing her own hatred of Melkor due to his betrayal? The same could be said about Sauron avoiding her allegiance due to his previous master's almost being destroyed by Ungoliant's power after she consumed the Trees of Valinor... he surely would have known the risk Melkor took, and maybe wanted to avoid the same fate.
That... actually might be possible!
It's never stated in the lore, but it would be a logical reasoning indeed!
I always assumed she would take no master simple because she was too powerful.
Yeh Shelob is supposed to be from Ungoliant's last bit of eggs
So you think that Ungoliant "told" her spiderlings about Melkor?
Sauron never needed Shelob's "allegiance." He did however take advantage of her presence and send her "orc food" once in a while. That turned her into the guard Sauron wanted her to be.
I was wondering, if Shelob is the only survivor of the spiders of Nan Dungortheb, then there would be no other spiders for her to mate with . unless there were other colonies of them that had spread over Middle Earth long before Beleriand was destroyed.
Actually Tolkien never even explained how Ungoliant mated with the spiders in Nan Dungortheb. I guess we have to accept that there were spiders "large enough" to breed with Ungoliant and Shelob in the areas where they bred.
Let's not think of how any other giant spiders may have survived from super spider death valley.
I find Shelob's prospect of surviving very interesting, I thought she died from the movies. Her being around in the fourth age is interesting. Perhaps the Orc cults in the fourth age go to her?
There might be some hints on a common origin or background kindship-link between Shelob and her mother, Ungoliant, and the Nameless Things at the deepest chasm of Moria, as it´s "UNKNOWN" which creature gnawed the tunnel which she later choose to settle later on at Mordor´s mountains, as she didn´t made that tunnel and just went to live there. The Nameless Things are known to be some type of burrowers, and kinda seems to be in tune with darker creatures as the Balrog of Moria, so... there could be hints of tolerance on Shelob as Ungoliant´s common eerie and unknown background origin as them.
Still doesn´t makes sense why Melkor/Morgoth choose Ungoliant for the specific role into damaging the Light Trees of Valinor, albeit she wasn´t so much loyal-trustable as Sauron,, and well her specific power sounds eerie specific for the dreadfull task how Melkor used her, and mades wonder why he hadn´t used her before in all more oftenly, which then sounds of something more special unique than a simplier Maia as Sauron was too, who might have been mightier than her considering all the previous role he played around the Breaking of the Lamps, so something goes missing out of saying that she was some random minor divine spirit corrupted early on by him, but well... that made some endargerments on the very core of Tolkien´s mythology lore based on Christianity as it requires a darker greater background of macrocosmic level, where maybe Illuvatar isn´t the mightiest being of all outside of the Universe he creates around him, and well he kinda is the only-one Good exception on a broader unknown cosmos of unknown beings which are very much amoral or blatanly evil against his own power, and so... maybe has done the Universe a lot of times, before the Others ruined his creation just for fancy bullying and antagonizing him, as cannot eliminate him but does with his creation endless times before and maybe even in the future, but... well that meants to settle an ideological and nihilisti criteria which sets against all universal morality and ethics existence and therefore on the Catholic Christian principles on himself, regardless of that it doesn´t meant that in all, eventhough there were mightier things outside the Universe of Eru, still all within it is kept within his own power after all, and seems each time kinda gets harder to get corrupted by the outside oposition infecting with darkness and eerie creatures as Ungoliant or the Nameless Things.
Great video, watched all your content and look forward to more middle earth videos :)
Great video! Thank you for your work! However I think you made a mistake at 5:25.
> once stung, though paralyzed, her prey would remain conscious
I don't think the prey would remain conscious, at least Frodo did not:
In The Return of the King Chapter 1: The tower of Cirith Ungol Frodo does not remember, that Sam took the ring:
"‘They’ve taken everything, Sam,’ said Frodo. ‘Everything I had. Do you understand? Everything!’"
In this same chapter, Frodo describes the effects of the poisoning:
"Something hit me, didn’t it? And I fell into darkness and foul dreams, and woke and found that waking was worse. Orcs were all round me."
I think spider venom does paralyze the prey. I also think you make a great point. I never thought that much about Frodo's condition. I had just assumed he was "unconscious" from the spider venom, but I think real spiders do paralyze their prey. But that would mean Frodo would be able to hear and maybe (if his eyes were open) see what Sam was doing and hear what he was saying.
..... which means Tolkien's Spiders' venom is like anesthesia, I guess.🤷
@@Enerdhil I don't argue that it does not paralyze. Actually, according to Shagrat the poison paralyzes:
"When she'shunting, she just gives 'em a dab in the neck and they go as limp as boned
fish".
I just think that the prey will lose consciousness. Shagrat says this too: "this little filth, he'll wake up, in a few hours; and beyond feeling a bit sick for a hit, he'll be all right."
@@rolandsz8831
You make great points. It was nice to read your take on these things.
Thank you for a most excellent video. A great story and narration. Very enjoyable.
Thank you! Well done!
I appreciate your style of storytelling!!
we can say the dysfunctional family is Morgoth+Ungoliant = Shelob?
Seeing such fine work on these subjects brings me great hope.
Weird they never sealed the pass and killed her! But great info. Great Video! Great presentation! solid 8.5 out of 10. TY!
Hey, Great video, I have a few more ideas for vids, Morgoth/Melkor, Sauron, Barad dur and Orodruin, the first war of the valar and battle of powers
i often wish i was an invunerable entity, i could visit creatures like shelob without fear of being harmed and speak with her, perhaps seeing another side to her that nobody could ever see
I love your sign off so much 😂
How about doing a video addressing how Gandalf or Aragorn were planning on taking the Ringbearer into Mordor? The Black Gate was impossible. Going around the mountains either to the south or the east would have taken far too much time. And you can't count on eagles for going over them. That left going to the south where Frodo and Sam went and choosing between Cirith Ungol (which they took) or the Morgul Pass.
The best theory I have heard is that Gandalf and Aragorn knew of another way in.
This video just popped up in my recommedations, i don't know why., But it seems fitting, since i'm playing through Shadow of War right now, even if the game cannot be considered canon.
Very good story telling I subbed for sure 👍
thanks for the video :)
"His cat, he called her, but she owned him not." - The Two Towers
R.I.P Anyone with arachnaphobia
If she-lob was “a light-eater like her mother” as you say, then why would the phial of Galadriel be an effective weapon against her? Seems to me like it would be a delicious appetizer. One certainly wouldn’t try using such a weapon against Ungoliant….even the Silmarils didn’t scare her off (nor the trees). This is the first I’ve heard of shelob being a light eater - I never made the connection before but it does seem odd.
We mustn't forget that, in terms of power, Shelob didn't even come close to the power of her sire. Yes, the Phial of Galadriel only shone with a "diminished" light that once originated from the Two Trees (as it came from Ëarendil's Star, which came from a Silmaril, which came from the Two Trees), but there is no direct comparison that can be made when it comes to the degrees of diminishing over the ages, only the conclusion. And as such, we can only conclude that where the original shadow Ungoliant was able to consume the Two Trees, their indirect "scion" in the Phial was able to overcome Ungoliant's spawn Shelob.
I'm sorry we can't really give a better explanation, though I hope it's good enough.
@@MysteriesOfWesternesse thank you for your thoughtful response. And may I say i find your voice perfect for these voiceovers.
Thank you very much!
speed 1.5 still long breaks between lines, but good video
I wonder if she was an inspiration for Lolth in DnD?
i still like ungoliant and morgoth or is it melekor
She definitely wasn't Guarding Mordor. Her lair wasn't on a direct path to Mordor. Plus, all the entrances were ground level and she was way up on a mountain pass.
There were two ways to get into Mordor. One up the Morgul-road and through the Morgul Pass. The other was the Cirith Ungol Pass, pass the tower of the same name. That is the way Gollum took Frodo and Sam. Shelob did prey on creatures that traveled along that pass, so she was kind of acting as a guard for Sauron, who nonetheless sent orcs that way, knowing she would kill and eat some of them.
The fact that she attacked Sam and Frodo proved that she was "guarding" that pass for Sauron.
Yeah Sauron promised her he will feed her in return she will guard Mordor its even stated that sauron calls her his cat@@Enerdhil
@@creativenamesmth
That's right! Shelob the 🕷️ = Sauron's 🐈⬛.
Guys how do you get all of this lore?
Like is there a book or something?
This chapter's lore is mainly from the Lord of the Rings books themselves (both story and the appendices), and also some from the Silmarillion 😉
Thank you so much :)
There are so many tolkein books
Yes the books are called the lord of the rings.
if she was a light eater, why didnt she eat the light from the galadriel light?
I think because it would be something akin to an ant eating an entire cheeseburger by itself. Shelob is a fraction of her mother
Ungoliant was the "light eater." Shelob was not.
@@Enerdhil It literally said Shelob was also a light eater.
@@198sambrrs
I don't know where you get your ridiculous beliefs, but just Google "Is Shelob a light eater? I found an April Fools statement that she was. Other places say she could not eat light like her mom. I thought you were getting LotR Gaming lore mixed up with the real lore. Anyway, the light of Earendil's Star was unbearable for her. That should be enough.
@@Enerdhil brotherman, that's what he says in this video. It's not a "belief", it's a comment around the content of this video whether correct or not, I don't know or really care. Take a deep breath my man, reddit is that way --->
Very nice Video🎉🎉
Aye among the first 20 commenters. I wish there was more to Tolkien’s stories. Some part are given so much detail, but other significant areas are, in my opinion, neglected. Maybe theyre left ambiguous intentionally, but I wish there was more about specific places, like moria.
If you want to learn more about Tolkien's world, read the History of Middle Earth collection.
It is funny, as a German speaker and reader of "Der Herr der Ringe" as it called in our language I can't stand the name "Shelob", as it is "Kankra" in the German translation, which sounds much more evil to me. ;-)
I am curious, are there any other names changed in the german localisation?
And then Shadow of War came along and was all “But what if she was a hot MILF doh?” smh. 😤