Georgian and Corsican Polyphony. Similarity.
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- čas přidán 31. 08. 2011
- This how Georgian and Corsican Polyphonies are similar.
Pre-Indoeuropean peoples have a lot in common. If Georgian and Basque languages have similar words and grammatic bonds, then here we see Georgian and Corsican polyphony sound similar to each other. As of Corsican language being Indoeuropean then it never means that Corsicans themselves are Indoeuropeans, since the tribe of Corsos , their ancestors have non-Indoeuropean roots. - Hudba
much love to our Georgian and Corsican brothers from SARDINIA! autochtonous europeans
I am Basque, but I know we came from Georgia. We just have too many similarities. We have many song that are almost identical which survived through time.
we are all IBERIANS: GEORGIANS BASQUES CORSICANS SICILIANS SARDINIANS CATALANES IT WAS PRE IDNO EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION SO CALLED PELAZGIC-ETRUSCAN CIVILIZATION!!! GOD BLESS US ALL !!!
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According to legend, the Basques call themselves "Egus Skaldun". It means "rising sun" in Basque. That is, they believe that they came here from the land of the rising sun, from the east. And we know very well that ancient Kolkheti, Egris was considered the land of the rising sun. Many pets and household items in the Basque Country have the same name as in Georgia. For example, in Basque, a pig is Gociano, Shoshya - Shoshua, Goose - Pato, Cat - Cat. In many cases, the toponymy is also unchanged. For example, Georgian villages here are called: Gali, Lentekhi, Khashuri, Gori, Mestia. Most importantly, there are many Basque surnames that are absolutely identical to Georgian ones. If not for migration, how should there be such Georgian surnames as: Lolua, Nodia, Khubuluri, Inauri, Ochiauri, Tsiklauri, etc. This proves that over the millennia. The Georgian and Basque musical instruments Chiboni (Gudastvir) are identical. None of them have D (რე) major. Despite the fact that the Basques have been influenced by many cultures, they have still preserved their national dances, including the sword dance, the analogue of which is nowhere to be found, except in Georgia. They also know how to make cheese in our own way. You grill the barbecue exactly the way we do, on the grill. as the Svan Zoskhora. As it turned out, exactly the same kind of blood kupat, which the Basques are crazy about, has been prepared in Svaneti since ancient times with blood, lard and spices. In short, all these and many other things, which I cannot list, are a common bridge between us and the Basques. Ioan Mtatsmindeli himself went to Spain in the 10th century to get acquainted with the Basques. His biography says: “Our blessed father John decided to take his son and several disciples and go to Spain, because he realized that some relatives of the Georgians live there.” Javier Quintana translated "Leopard" into Basque, he is still alive today and made a great contribution to the discovery of Georgian-Basque parallels.
The Iberian Peninsula, where the Basques live, is still called Iberia by the Spanish and Portuguese. Approximately 3,500 years have passed since the migration of the Caucasian and Iberian tribes to Europe, and the Basques turned out to be truly special among those who migrated - in other territories, the Caucasians mixed with other peoples, but the Basques did not. In which they were helped by the mountains. Basques are remarkably similar to Georgians. Even today, these people have the greatest respect for elders and juniors, even today they modestly treat the remains of the ancient oak with which the Basque elders decided the fate of the country before the Second World War. The oak was so symbolically associated with the rebellious Basques that the Spanish dictator Franco bombed the city of Guernica, where the oak stood, to the German fascists. The second century Greek historian Appianus said:
"The Iberians who are in Asia are considered by some to be the ancestors of the European Iberians, by others to be newcomers, and by others only to be cohabitants.
It is really amazing that there are surnames in the Basques - Bokeria, Nodia, Barateli, Loria, Meunargia, Narsia, Lolua, Anthia, Alania, Zarandia, Beria, Benia, Saria, Ubiria, Bedia, Landia, Eristavi, as well as Khubuluri, Inauri, Ochiauri, Tsiklauri, Amaskua and so on are common surnames in Georgia. There is also the mountain "Archanda", "Guria" near Bilbao.
Finally, I would like to quote a very interesting passage from Niko Mari's work:
"The ball is a sacred object. The game of ball is a relic of the cult, as should be the technique of the game, whether it is a specially erected high wall in front of the player, as the Basques have, or fighters competing with each other to carry the ball to the end. At the same time, the achievement is crowned with a shout of victory - LELO!, which It should be the name of the deity. In one of the beautiful corners of Georgia, called Guria, there is still a "Lelo ball.” Every year in Georgia, the republican championship of Leloball is traditionally held. The title of Master of Sports of Georgia has been established in this national sport.
Tsiklauri is surname in basques????
@@anatsiklauri1421 დიახ დაიკო, გვარი წიკლაური ბასკებშიც გვხვდება საკმაოდ
Божествена музика. Кристални гласове. Поздрав от България
This is a melody of one ancient civilization preserved only in mountains of Georgia and island of Corsica.
This is song from kakheti region, not from mountains of Georgia. In every region is absolutely different and amazing style of singing💗
Corsicans, Sardans, Ligurians, Basques, Georgians, Proto-Semites, Minoans, etc., belong to archaic civilizations, which have its origins in the "night of the centuries" that is, the beginnings at the time of the Italic Aborigines, the Janigenes, the Pelasgians ... The Mediterranean Matrix.
I have listened to similar music since I was a child in our churches and my grandmother also sang to me.
I love you dear people. God be with you all! Be healthy and blessed and peace be upon you!
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Beautiful. We Chechen have this style of singing as well 😌
@@ianadiradze652 მაგის თქმას ვაპირებდი მეც ❤️
I am from Bulgaria, but as I said in a comment below, I grew up with similar music from my grandmother (a Bulgarian newcomer from White Sea Thrace) and also in our church. Now I travel and work all over the world, but when I get nostalgic, I listen to 3 playlists - Orthodox, Corsican and Georgian. Be healthy and may God bless you!
Я из Болгарии, но, как я уже сказалa в комментарии ниже, я вырос на похожей музыке от моей бабушки (болгарской новички из Беломорской Фракии), а также в нашей церкви. Сейчас я путешествую и работаю по всему миру, но когда у меня возникает ностальгия, я слушаю 3 плейлиста - православный, корсиканский и грузинский. Будьте здоровы и да благословит вас Бог!
Corzicans and sardinians share part of their gene with us balkans
The subject indeed needs further study. Recently I learnt that Guria, a Georgian province and the oldest name of Georgia, is "Our Land" for Basque.
Beautiful! In Serbia we have same polyphony singling! Cheers
Folk songs from people living in not quiet places surrunded or attacked by enemies made a special culture . Myself I live in Corsica
Hi, I am from Georgia; I heard many times in our country, that Corsica has many Eberians living there and do Corsicans think same, that majority of them, may be of Eberian descent?
Magnifique ces voix et ces mélodies géorgiennes et corses. Je suis, so corsu, j'ai baigné dans ces chants. Bravu
Yes! I knew that! As soon as I discovered georgian music I thought there were similarities (also with sardinian "canto a tenore").
yes for sure it old Iberian Culture
I am Georgian and listening to the Corsican song I had a feeling that I was listening to a very close to me person, a soul mate, long-lost mate, part of my culture, blood and soul, that is calling from the other side of the shore. I had goosebumps on my body and tears on my eyes. As soon as I have a chance, I will visit Corsica. I have to see these people that sound so mine.
I have the same feeling about Georgian songs, I am corsican and I love the Georgian songs because it makes me feel like Georgia is like our soulmate
I feel the same... and I'm from Sardinia. Subtle links between lands so far but so close... and so charming...
@@kiriguserra1540 indeed!
@@alexandershulter2157 nu motkanit tvini am tkveni vitom stumartmokvareobit. aseti sivelure ashinebs civilur da normalur adamians. jer free ekneba da mere ormag tkavs gaazrobt! mogitkant inturistis kulti. ase free tu shegizlia, kartvels daexmare, shimshilit suli rom zvreba!
@@virtual7insanity of course, you are welcome here! Sardinia too has a deep, inner e magic beauty
It is amazing how two peoples who have been seperated from each other, yet share a common blood link, still express themselves with similar ways of magnificence.
The cultural expressiveness is through blood, the genetic make-up of a nation; in rare occasions so beautiful, a Natural gift.
what is you knowledge about similarity between georgian and basque music? and perchance cornish music? are there any similarities?
Adam Pstrykstein basques have similar language more like then culture... basques kept their language while Corsicans could keep their culture but their language was latinized by Roman empire
basque language is the fourth qarTvelian (georgian) language...also--megalit arqiteqture,traditions
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Yes, there are some similarities. There is even a theory about Basques and Georgians being related, however, no one has ever provided a substantial evidence to prove the theory. So it is mostly believed that we are not related with Corsicans or Basques in any way.
Moreover, there are many cultures as well, other than Corsican, Georgian and Basque, in Europe, where people sing polyphonic folk songs.
Son los asturianos del Cáucaso, impresionan, precioso.
Corsica is a small Georgia. Georgia is big Corsica.
The same applies to Sicily, Sardinia and Bilbao.
Incredibile somiglianza, grazie.
infatti
I Love my Georgia and Georgians people
Thank you for placing these videos side by side, wonderful music!
As for the singing, there is certainly some similarity in the fact that the two styles are both ornamented. However, the style of ornamentation is quite different, with the voices following different protocol for movement. In my opinion, we are saying that the apple is like the orange. Well, in some ways it is - but in the most important ways, it is not. Let's give each of these two beautiful traditions credit for being a unique art form rather than trying to put them in the same category.
we and korsikans are old iberians!!!!!!
Корсиканская народная музыка звучит точно,так же, как часть грузинской народной музыки, в то время, как другие грузинские песни очень похожи на народные песни других народов Юго-Восточной Европы, не говоря уже об абсолютном внешнем сходстве Корсиканцев и Грузин, исходя из общего этно происхождения самих Грузин и Корсиканцев (со своей стороны Грузины относятся всеобщему Иберскому этническому группе, как потомки Колхидов и Иберов ). Да, грузинская культура, народная музыка и танцы уникальны, как культура, народная музыка других европейских стран и народов (как и других стран этой планеты), но в то же время она является частью универсальной европейской культуры, как остальные европейские культуры. Грузины ( не смешанные Грузины) очень похожи на других народов Юго-Восточной Европы, на других народов Европы, Иберского, Иберо/Кельтского происхождения, часто внешний идентичны этим отмеченным народам Европы, исходя , опять же, от Иберского, Медитарианского, южно-восточного Европейского происхождения самих Грузин.
Все европейские народы изначально пришли с Кавказа
How amazing!!!
WE ARE ONE NATION WE ARE IBERIANS WE ARE OLDEST CIVILIZATION WE WERE AND RULE BEFORE ROMAN AND GREEK ERA. WE ARE FIRST EUROPEANS. GEORGIANS BASQUES CATALONIANS CORSSICANS WE ARE PART OF THAT GREAT CIVILIZATION WHICH ONE WAS CENTURIES AGO.
Catalans o.O?!
ჩვენები არიან, ჩვენები❤
I looked for a LONG time to find the Corsican song, and finally did.
It is called "a paghjella di l'impiccati", and the recording in this video is here: czcams.com/video/9vDLnYYx_jU/video.html
IT'S TRUE
Corsicans, Occitans, Basques, Ligurians, Georgians are brothers ❤️
Tutti i popoli maggiori d'Europa [ LATINI, GERMANICI, SLAVI, E IN MINOR MISURA COME QUANTITÀ, CIOÈ : GRECI. ALBANESI, CELTICI , BASCHI, CORSI] SONO INDOEUROPEI CAUCASICI. QUINDI IMPARENTATI TRA LORO, NON SOLO, MA ANCHE CON I CAUCASICI (GEORGIANI, ARMENI, CIRCASSI). PERCHÉ DA LI' PROVENIAMO! In due ondate , tra il SECONDO ED IL PRIMO MILLENNIO AVANTI CRISTO. CONSULTARE ENCICLOPEDIE , LIBRI DI STORIA, STORIOGRAFIE. BIBLIOTECHE ETC .
Sometimes a striking answer comes to many questions - like this video...if you compare, you HEAR, there are a lot of similarities. Iberian People are/were mostly a people of vocal polyphony. Today at different places on earth - still same Spirit!
once i watched a movie L'enquête corse and heard there corsican song i was surprised it was so similar with georgian :)))
1) Some Georgian polyphony songs go back to pagan era. "Lile" (sun) is one of them.
2) Certain songs originate form early medieval, when there were no trace of polyphony in Italy or Europe.
3) Greeks and Armenians are also Christians, but their ecclesiastical music is monophonic. Both were adjacent neighbors of Georgia, but have no trace for polyphony either in church or in everyday life.
4) Most of Georgian polyphony is not ecclesiastical, which means religion had no input on it.
Очень тонко подмечено!
As a Greek I can confirm we do have polyphonic music in some areas of Greece, especially in Epirus, the Ionian Islands and some islands of the Aegean. However our polyphonic music is not ecclesiastical. Greek orthodox Christian chants are monophonic indeed
@@lizelantt I suspect Epirus, Ionian, Aegean, Corsican, Basque, and from the other hand Georgian traditional singing share roots with Iberian culture, the habitat of Europe from Caucasus to Ireland before Indo-European invasion. This a scientific theory and as I know many scientists work on it.
@@sergocusiani epirus and ionian is probably albanian and probably actually iso-polyphony if he meant that. Greek culture had heavy influence from albanians like arvanites. I dont know anything about agean islands though they not to far from where albanians clans settled
@@lizelantt the one you have from albanians doesnt count
A paghjela di l impiccati di u Niolu
Corsican people and children had been hanged by French army at the city's gate because they wanted to set the Corsica free again.
Not the best song to show similarities but we manage to see how we are close to our Georgian brothers.
Soul stirring
Georgians and Corsicans we Iberians
Pure beauty!
Beautiful!
@kavkasia, During last 20 years, I had met parquet-floor geologists, surveyors, engineers, even parquet floor politicians. But parquet-floor musician I have met for the first time.
quand un peuple ce préserve de l'envahition culturel mondialiste il y a de nombreuse similitude qui vienne de la tradition primordiale
Гениальная музыка!
Южная Осетия чья ???
@@штормЗСУ Вы дурак?
Génial Bravi!!
საოცრებაა...
Einfach nur geil diese Musik echt toll
Pretty similar to our traditional singing in Republic of Srpska.Singing style named Krajiska pjesma na suvo
zdravo pozdravim iz georgii
Can anyone write the meaning of corsician song text?
Дуже сподобалось. +++++++++++
@kavkasia Linguists? I know some excellent professors, that do, however truly you are right, that there is not enough concrete evidence. However a very important trait of Basque and Georgian similarity is similarity of grammar in these two languages and I mean not only the ergative constructions...
@kavkasia, Hypotheses with some generality, which survived initial testing, become well established theories or "paradigms". They are immune to rejection even if subsequent testing may find evidences against them. A few negative results are used to refine the paradigm to make it continue to fit all available evidence.
It is only when the negative evidence becomes overwhelming that the paradigm is rejected and replaced by a new one.
So, go and change you 20 years old prejudices.
great video ;)
It is proved that Corsicans and Sardinians both have common roots in Caucasus
yes ! And Basques too ! Portuguese have close ties with Ossetians, for they are descendants from Alanians, who came from actual Ossetia. It is surprising to see that Portuguese people are frequently mistaken with Georgian ot Armenian. People from Algarve or Alentejo are totally identical with those people (the "Armenoid nose" is frequently seen among those people) and have developped their own polyphonical singing tradition,very close with Georgia or Euzkadi
@@thierrylaugier3245 Yes Cante Alentejano is very similar to these songs but the people from the south of Portugal don’t differ that much from the north ( maybe a little less Celtic) and they don’t look very Armenian or Georgian they just look Mediterraneans Europeans
@@Gabpt and who told you that Georgians and Armenians look the same , dude ? In Georgia blonde hair and blue eyes is much , much more common then in Armenia . And it comes from a Russian person . I'd say most Georgians are ligh haired and eyed , but of course about 20% of them looks tan and simmilar to pontic Greeks . While Armenians are tan , and armenoid race about 90%
@@mihanosmihanos603 yeah armenians look more middle Eastern
@@rare9931 you armenian ?
It is also similar to Croatian "ganga" singing, and Serbian "ojkača" singing.
The ensemble that performs the first piece is Shavnabada. The rest of their songs are pretty much in the same style as this piece, though let me know if you meant it in a broader sense.
bravo
it's great, where can i find more music like the first piece??
Catalonian language, as we call it today, before roman empire? I don't know what kind of sources you have, but you should check them...
@kavkasia, If your study of "melodic structure of the ornaments and the protocol for part movement" fails, you should change the theory.
What about the Aromanians from Balan peninsula (the old Trakians)?
ჩვენია დალოცვილი :DDDD
there is 450 words similiar in Georgian and Basque languages. Basques and Georgians both were Iberians in Ancient times.(Spanish Iberia and Caucasian Iberia). But Georgians are definately Ibero-Caucasian peoples speaking in Ibero-Caucasian language.
bardzo mocne
Why is it, names of villages, places, hills, rivers, etc., in many places of West Iberia (Spain, France) sound like Georgian (East Iberian) names? And not only sound, but can be found in Georgian language. Like Mount Archanda near Bilbao.
Pardon, you may say:"Well, based on some approach to ornamental combination of letters, they may look similar, but if one reads it from the point of view of my 20 years old persisting experience in linguistics, they may not".
In this sample the Corsican polyphony sounds similar to Slavic/Orthodox chant while the Georgian polyphony is more contrapuntal and unique
+Nick Burningham - i would not agree with you. it sounds pretty much like Georgian folk song
From my point of view Corsican songs are very similar to Georgian, especially West-Georgian. Words also.
Some may not agree about words, but that style of singing, is very much like Georgian folk singing.
Slavic churches adopted some western scales in the baso profondo traditon with byzantine and baroque influence. This chant in corsica is a result of rennisnace chant and trallarelo singing from genoa. The chant in georgia was pre christian and muslim and was a part of the pre christian religion of the area.
Tamar Khoshtaria ჩემი აზრით, ორივე- როგორც დასავლეთ ასევე აღმოსავლეთ საქართველის სიმღერებთან არის საოცარი მსგავსება❤❤
@cccpninakias Minoan roots come from Pelasgians. Pelasgians themselves are close to Ibero-Caucasian people.
Am Irish and Scottish mostly in music but also in heart and Jewish in thought and perception.
What's the name of the second song and who sings it? I find it magnificently haunting.
+Dragan Vrdoljak Thank you very much.
visu43
your welcome dude
Did a comment get deleted? I've been trying to find the second song as well but haven't been able to find it and it looks like something got deleted here.
@@adamhutchings4023
A Filetta
'' a paghjella di l'impiccati * ''
song of the hanged *
'' the song is about an episode in the colonization of Corsica by the French ! in 1774 the French colonists hanged 11 rebel Corsicans , one of whom was only 14 years old ''
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@@adamhutchings4023 Yeah something got deleted, can't see it either.
Humble thanks to You for this, but I am sorry I cant understand Georgian; so If its not imbosible; how can I learn of it?
Wonderful music, the corsian and the georgian as well. Very old, very deep minded, fantastic! But, my dear Georgians: No one except You Yourselves can read the comments in Your language with these Your own special letters. They look very beautiful, for my eyes at least. Much more beautiful than latin or kyrillic letters. But I am not able to read anything. I suppose that this happens to everybody, who is not Georgian. I know, if I could read it, it would not mean I could understand anything. But by using Your letters outside Georgia You do not make it easier for the others to find a way to Your language. Which does not only look beautiful in letters, but also sounds very melodic for my german ears.
好！那我们会讲中文吧！
Danke sehr fur deinen Kommentar! Ich denke heutige Zeit sagt uns dass wir allen verschiedene Sprachen kennenlernen mussen. Es ist etwas sehr wichtiges fur uns, den Georgier, dass wir konnen mit einander auf Georgisch sprechen. Nochmal, ich danke dir fur deinen Kommentar!
@@AyeOldSponge Oh yes, that´s just the same how georgian letters look to me. A nice joke of Yours.
@@AyeOldSponge Wie hast Du denn gemerkt, daß ich Deutscher bin? Und warum kannst Du so gut deutsch schreiben? Großes Lob! Ich kann nur deutsch, etwas französisch und gut englisch.
@@nickweiserfolz hhh in Wirklichkeit mein Deutsch ist nicht etwas besonders. Aber ich hab in Oesterreich meine Schulzeit verbracht und deswegen ich kann ein bischen sprechen!
Basques=Kartvelian(Iberian)🇬🇪💋❤️
Yes, i have a film about this disk. And Georgian scientist read this, This is old Iberian which one is very close with Georgian language and linguistic and second dick found in Georgia Kakheti with same manuscripts. This is grace about there mother god.
ქართული თუ იცით, ინგლისურად ნუ წერთ.
სირცხვილია.
omg, huge similarity...........♥
The corsican music begins at +- 3min 30sec.
As is well observable, music spreads, travels accross linguistic boundaries, or, on the contrary, remains the same in spite of language change. In principle, various kinds of isotonic polyphony must have existed all over southern Europe (one monk of mediaeval Italy mentiones folk songs with intervals of seconds and the like "Like the howling of wolves" - and then listen to southern Albanian, especially Lab, polyphony, for example)
So when polyphony appeared in church singing, it wasn't new...
I see your point. I would add Romanian music to your list, the Serbian Goran Bregovich being the crown of what is generally called Balkan music.
Find "ojkača", "ojkavica", "orzanje". It is music of Balkan. It is very similar to music of Georgia and Corsica.
@kavkasia, SERIOUS MUSICOLOGISTS. I remember, one of them was truing to persuade the audience as if blues and rock&roll music "deserve no credit to be played on piano".
officially Thracians are considered indoeuropeans, yet their age, links with Dacians and pelasgians point to a non-indoeuropean origin. :/
Welcome :D
euxaristo, o Theos na evlogi tous Ellines.
@sergocusiani I don't have "bananas" in my ears, and I know what I'm talking about. Neither of us can prove that there's a link, or that there isn't. I've studied Georgian ornament extensively for more than 20 years and I know how it works. I've also studied Corsican, and yes, there are similarirites - but there are also key differences, like the melodic structure of the ornaments and the protocol for part movement.
@kavkasia, you must have had bananas in your years when listening to these songs. Or like armenians you are so much accustomed to unisonic songs that you refer to polyphony with animosity.
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We are one nation with Basques and Sicilians part of great Iberian civilization which one was before Romanian and Greek Era. Today
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I hear structural similarity to 12th century French polyphonic organum.
nice i like old pholyponic stiles-.
, here u have ancient illyrian/albanian polyphony tradition.
Thelleza qe shkel mbi vese
Hysni Niko Zela & the Albanian Iso-Polyphonic Choir live
Vajza e Valave-Këngë Labe nga Himara
@kavkasia, your 20 years old experience in existent study of Georgian ornamental music is accumulated from to 1 year of cramming multiplied by 20.
Georgian and Corsican songs in present performance has passed thousands of years of isolation and independent development. Nevertheless, even your book worm suggestions go broke.
Roots of Iberian culture goes back to 8000 years. What are 20 years of mistaken experience compared to that?
ეს რა მადლიანი გალობაა, ბიძაშვილები გვყოლია ყურის ძირში, ჩვენ კიდე კორსიკის ავლით პარიზში ჩავდივართ?!
სიცილიელებიც კრეტა ძველი მთელი ესპანეთი ილირია თურქეთი კავკასია ქართველებით იყო დასახლებული
@kavkasia Truly apple and orange are similar. For both apple and orange were created by God.
This was little part of huge Iberian civilization and manuscript which one was found on Krete proved this. Sp we can say that Indo-Europeans from central Asia came in North Europe and than settled on Iberian territories, South Europe. But Iberian culture is here and we haven't disappeared.
I wrote "when polyphony appeared in church, it wasn't new" suggesting that it existed in Europe (as folk tradition) long before it penetrated into the Christian Church music. (An early mediaeval treatise mentions "weird" polyphony among Italian folks) Greece has polyphonic folk music (Epiros), so do Bulgarians, Albanians. Macedonians. Corsicans, Georgians. All of those have no roots in Church music, but surely pre-date it. Modal chant came from Middle East together with the new religion.
Greeks dont really count because theirs is from albanians
Pavle Aksentijević
Georgians Corssicans Basques Catalonials Siciilians are one People we are IBERIANS.
@cccpninakias the whole thing is that they found a phaistos disk that had some unknown symbols on it. One Georgian scholar read it with old Georgian script, Asomtavruli I guess. The disc belongs to Minoyans. Make conclusions...If a Minoyan disk had Georgian scripts than most probably these two were linked. And it is very possible that Minoyans and Georgians had similar alphabets just like albanian caucasians and Georgians in Caucasus
Well... Georgian here with some background of graphological research of origins of Asomtavruli. 70% of our first alphabet was copied graphically (but not phonetically) from Ethiopian Geez syllabic alphabet. Exactly the same way as Mesrop Mashtoc did for Armenian, and that's why they are still going on about him "inventing" both. He didn't invent anything, just copied Geez glyphs and randomly assigned Armenian sounds to them. Some Georgian Monophysite (heretic, that's why most of the references about him were destroyed after Nicea, I guess) scholar did the same, just adding some letters from Greek.
So, chances are, Asomtavruli-looking glyphs on that disc might be Geez, as it is clearly more ancient than ours.
@@DavidJashi May I inquire the source of the research? I visited Ethiopia recently and was surprised to find that Ethiopians can pronounce the ჭ and წ sounds. While the country is ancient, I believe its alphabet is also derived from Semitic Scripts.
Georgian Alphabet's earliest inscriptions date anywhere from 400 to 500 AD especailly in Jerusalem , which is certainly not the date of its invention. We have evidence of Georgian scripture which dates to Grakliani hills (BC), which not necessarily is linked to Asomtavruli, but can likely be linked to it. Thus I doubt Georgian alphabet should derive from Ethiopian especially from a monophysite heretic, considering that heresy of monophysitism was declared only during the Council of Chalcedon in 451.
In this way, while certainly Georgian may derive and have borrowings from ornaments of middle eastern Semitic alphabets, I believe it should be a result of inspiration, rather than direct copying from Ethiopian alphabet.
But then yes, the disc is unclear so far and existent theories are rather hypotheses, than established truths...
@@AyeOldSponge CZcams keeps deleting my replys, so I guess I will write "Olderogge" ("Ольдерогге, Дмитрий Алексеевич")
you would mind to type their name in Georgian as well "შავნაბადა"
ne re thats the point, i'd recommend not to consult with wikipedia.
I'm about Georgian language. Iberian language are much older than any other European languages.
Exchange93 How you know? Evry nation say same !
@@stevanvuletin8306 because iberian languages are much closer to a common ancestor than later indo-european languages
Georgians are the first Europeans, we are the most well preserved descendants Culturally, Linguistically and genetically of Paleo-Neolithic farmers of Eurasia, we are homeland of wine and agriculture. These are facts and yes we are Original Iberians! I don't want to sound disrespectful, but Corsicans, Sardinians, Basques, Spaniard-Portugalians or Irish , these are just partial descendants of those archaic Europeans , while we are major descendants in all 3 segments. Just stating facts, I respect all nations.
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@@antoniettadilorenzo9064 შენ ამბობ რომ ქართველები ინდოევროპელები ვართ?! იქნებ შენ გაერკვიო ჯერ საკითხში და შეისწავლო ქართული გენეტიკა, დამწერლობა, მეტყველება. არცერთი არ განეკუთვნება ინდო ევროპულ რასას.
@@PANZERSIM ahimè, non capisco il georgiano. Può riscriverlo in italiano. Grazie
@@antoniettadilorenzo9064 use Google translate
ara marto korsikelebis me espanel xalxs velaparake da bevri imm azrzea ro baskebii da ara marto baskebi pesvebi kavkasiidan aqvtt amas zalian bevri ambobs espanetshi
baskebi da korsikelebi chveneburebi Arian. mchadis gaqeteba qartvelebi da Baskebi ician
very ice but Georgian is still different from corsician. similarities like this is everywhere in every culture because we all are human :D. show me something like "krimanchuli"
OK, let's not drag Guria into this, as we are clearly not local and God knows where we came from. Partly from Samtskhe, partly from Laz country, like my forefathers, some from Greece (Kandelaki, Galogre) and, as a cherry on top, Glonti's, who immigrated from Italy for some inexplicable reason.
This video shows similarities with Iberians, not Kolkhis.
გამაჟრიალა ეს რო მოვისმინე. რამდენი ათასი წლის უკან წავიდნენ საქართველოდან და ნახე როგორ შემოინახეს კულტურა.
@sergocusiani Ask a serious musician or musicologist about this phrase which seems so useless to you: "structure..." and see which "humans" don't care. It's clear to me that you're only interested in your opinion, and not in reality. I'll kindly leave this forum and leave you to your preferences, as I don't really believe in using insults as a way of communication.
ti thelis Kirie?
If you have something to say lay your arguments.