I'm a 48 year old man who was born in Glasgow but raised in Essex, we went to rachazi every year and waiting for the van was something different to England and we loved it, we could never have believed that the violence that was behind it all, but that said,,, the people in Glasgow are such good people and it's only a few who make people think it's full of nasty gangsters
Kydan bommer, yes thats true mate. The police knew who did it from the very start, and alot of them were on the guy who did its payroll. So the police had to protect him and got billy love to do a deal who was looking at 12 year for armend robbery. But not if he signend a statement saying he heard tc and joe steele saying they lit the fire in the netherfield bar, then love would walk out the door with all charges dropped. It was totally fucking sickening what they rats did to tc and joe. Plus let them do 16 year then released them. What they do with most if not all lifers that appeal against convinction. So either way the police and courts still win but then try and look good after 16 years by quashing there convictions.
kids all going out in the freezin cold for pokey hats and a bottle of ginger with a side of murdur please. Everyone reckons drugs but in these early days it wasn't. I remember, we had ice cream wars in EK too and it was savage. Ooooh, the Jesus and Mary Chain in the music!!!
Very good . I read about that shocking case a few year back , in Paul Ferris book , vendetta . Puts a whole new look on the case when you see the 2 fellas and the people who supported them in the flesh. Heads should have rolled by now , surely ? Stay safe.
Tavy@ the police knew who did this from the start. But alot of them knew the guy who paid some one to light the match, they were on his payroll and he was a grass for the serious crime squad and the scottish crime squad and mi5. If he ever got into any trouble some one like his wife had a direct phone number to the top man of the serious crime squad to come and get him free and safely driven away. And one day this was witnessed by at least 40 people in there own street as the local police were taking him out the house with the craw pulling back and saying am no going a havent did anything and 5 minutes later the serious mob drove up and said get those 'fucking' cuffs off him your arresting a good witness?? Witness to what? Said the local mob with a bit of laughter as they already knew what he meant. They said fuck off hes our prisoner now. So the serious mob started fighting with the local mob and it was each man for heself so a good few of the local young team jumpend in and started battering any cop they could get, well a fights a fight while mcgraw just stood there watching as if his legs didnt work anymore. Then the local mob gave in and let mcgraw go free. The fight only lasted about 3 minutes. Nae stamina those local young cops, they took a back seater and took the cuffs off mcgraw and handed him to the serious mob. At the end of the street big tc campbell stood and watched all this from behind a bush and wouldnt have believed it if he hadnt saw it. This was in 1980 or 81 and tc had been in mcgraws house before the cops came and got out of his house fast, as he was drincking tea out of the blue the phone rang and mgraw answerd it and said ok jimmy right then jimmy ok jimmy thancks jimmy its ok am clean right cheerio. And put the phone down. Tc said who was that? And mcgraw said it was jimmy telling me the cops are on there way to lift me, but its ok theres nothing in the flat so its a waste of time. And tc said no if they bring some thing with them its no. Ok am out of here. And mcgraw said naw a need a witness just stay its ok. So tc said aye and a dont need a co-accused al see ye later tam and out he went and stood about 100 yards down the end of the street and at the end as the serious mob drove mcgraw to freedom he saw tc standing at the corner watching and didnt like it one bit, as he knew tc saw everything, from the warning in the flat to then taken mcgraw off the local cops. Tc wonderd if some one has that amount of protection then whats he really given them in return. Money mcgraw had it and lots of it, even in 1981. But he never thought mcgraw would get his pet poodles thats what he called his paid police to put tc and wee joe away for life. Tc said we all knew mcgraw was paying the police money and alot at that just to turn a blind eye since we did the rspo's since at least 1972, and it had always been a good earner. The mob got paid to leave us alone, or to tip us off, plus we made money and they made money. It was hard to see what was wrong with that? No one went to jail and its better to have a cop or two thats willing to help you instead of getting cought. By 1978 i would say the craw had 3 detective sergeants 2 detective inspectors and about 4 to 6 detective constables on his payroll, and thats not counting how many pc's. It just couldnt be proved if he was trading in bodys, he knew if that got out he was finnished for good. Especialy in 1978. They did a po and opend the safe in 1978 to find £168,000 pounds, between the craw, snadz and drew, alot of money then and sometimes we did two in the one night.
1980s the days of the fit ups when a plod would make up what you said while you were being arrested, even though you went no comment. the bias was on the side of the police in a incredible way, no matter what, in the eyes of the law the police were right.
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bbc-scotland-documentary-glasgows-deadly-28163506 The first episode of The Ice Cream Wars will air on BBC Scotland on Tuesday, October 11 at 9pm. The second and final instalment will air on Wednesday, October 12 at the same time on the same channel., I think it's actually Monday and Tuesday
@stuzo666 What laws did the EU set that effected the outcome of the Trial Verdict,,,,,This was all down to Police protecting themselves because they have McGraw a Licence to do whatever he wanted in exchange for information on other low life SCUM
The fire was the snake McGraw's idea for Fatboy running his brand new van add the road . possible GM,and an acomplus set it .sure did GM do do away with a gas cooker or two in is day .I think GM had something to do with it.
Not too far off the truth. They'd squeeze strawberry sauce all over rival gangs' vehicles' windscreens, which was so sticky it was difficult to remove.
I'm a 48 year old man who was born in Glasgow but raised in Essex, we went to rachazi every year and waiting for the van was something different to England and we loved it, we could never have believed that the violence that was behind it all, but that said,,, the people in Glasgow are such good people and it's only a few who make people think it's full of nasty gangsters
The police were up to their necks in these murders and protected their main grass, by sending innocent men to prison.
Aye , you're not wrong there pal , stay safe 👍
Kydan bommer, yes thats true mate. The police knew who did it from the very start, and alot of them were on the guy who did its payroll. So the police had to protect him and got billy love to do a deal who was looking at 12 year for armend robbery. But not if he signend a statement saying he heard tc and joe steele saying they lit the fire in the netherfield bar, then love would walk out the door with all charges dropped. It was totally fucking sickening what they rats did to tc and joe. Plus let them do 16 year then released them. What they do with most if not all lifers that appeal against convinction. So either way the police and courts still win but then try and look good after 16 years by quashing there convictions.
keep up the good content... five stars all the way
Excellent viewing
Same here i still remember being round the back playing when i seen the burnt out flat. Didn't know what it was about then i was to young.
kids all going out in the freezin cold for pokey hats and a bottle of ginger with a side of murdur please. Everyone reckons drugs but in these early days it wasn't. I remember, we had ice cream wars in EK too and it was savage. Ooooh, the Jesus and Mary Chain in the music!!!
That's the cure a forest
EK? By ' Eck lad
I was raised in Ruchazie.
Miss the old tenement scheme.
God Bless TC and Joe!
No you weren’t 😂
What part mate ? High or low
Great video mate
,innocent from rhe start !!!
My ma's a Doyle ..
Always been interested jn this story .. remember it happening
Dirty bastards …. THE BOYS WON IN THE END
RIP TO THEM BABYS
#got blunt TV , Here , here pal . Saps got their comeuppance ! Them babies would be adults , sad , absolutely , RIP , happy New Year !😪,👍
Rotten cops; who would have thought
Ice cream can’t last at that temperature
Very good . I read about that shocking case a few year back , in Paul Ferris book , vendetta . Puts a whole new look on the case when you see the 2 fellas and the people who supported them in the flesh. Heads should have rolled by now , surely ? Stay safe.
The person who did it is dead now
@@jamesirvine7268 person that did it or ordered it ?
@@weechill333 it was Garry Moore that did it
@@weechill333 he was an evil bastard
@James Irvine just read an interview from Steele saying defo not him ? I did have to google Gary Moore though as not a clue 🍻
I always thought The Ice Cream wars was some sort of “code” for a drug war, no a scrap over selling 99’s and wotsits 😂
The dude that lied should be in jail now for making shit up
The cops who lied should be in jail
The real guilty ones rarely face conivictions
I had followed this for years and I knew there was no way those two could've have done it, but who the hell did?
RIP TC
The Emperor of Carntyne
Ice cream sprinkled wae hunners & thousands.. of lead buckshot!😂
Every Cop involved should be thoroughly investigated
Shocking
This is just infuriating.
😪💙❤🙏
Rest in peace Thomas Campbell.
He was a decent guy and he lived next to my granny in Carntyne RIP TC 🙏🏻
Tavy@ the police knew who did this from the start. But alot of them knew the guy who paid some one to light the match, they were on his payroll and he was a grass for the serious crime squad and the scottish crime squad and mi5. If he ever got into any trouble some one like his wife had a direct phone number to the top man of the serious crime squad to come and get him free and safely driven away. And one day this was witnessed by at least 40 people in there own street as the local police were taking him out the house with the craw pulling back and saying am no going a havent did anything and 5 minutes later the serious mob drove up and said get those 'fucking' cuffs off him your arresting a good witness?? Witness to what? Said the local mob with a bit of laughter as they already knew what he meant. They said fuck off hes our prisoner now. So the serious mob started fighting with the local mob and it was each man for heself so a good few of the local young team jumpend in and started battering any cop they could get, well a fights a fight while mcgraw just stood there watching as if his legs didnt work anymore. Then the local mob gave in and let mcgraw go free. The fight only lasted about 3 minutes. Nae stamina those local young cops, they took a back seater and took the cuffs off mcgraw and handed him to the serious mob. At the end of the street big tc campbell stood and watched all this from behind a bush and wouldnt have believed it if he hadnt saw it. This was in 1980 or 81 and tc had been in mcgraws house before the cops came and got out of his house fast, as he was drincking tea out of the blue the phone rang and mgraw answerd it and said ok jimmy right then jimmy ok jimmy thancks jimmy its ok am clean right cheerio. And put the phone down. Tc said who was that? And mcgraw said it was jimmy telling me the cops are on there way to lift me, but its ok theres nothing in the flat so its a waste of time. And tc said no if they bring some thing with them its no. Ok am out of here. And mcgraw said naw a need a witness just stay its ok. So tc said aye and a dont need a co-accused al see ye later tam and out he went and stood about 100 yards down the end of the street and at the end as the serious mob drove mcgraw to freedom he saw tc standing at the corner watching and didnt like it one bit, as he knew tc saw everything, from the warning in the flat to then taken mcgraw off the local cops. Tc wonderd if some one has that amount of protection then whats he really given them in return. Money mcgraw had it and lots of it, even in 1981. But he never thought mcgraw would get his pet poodles thats what he called his paid police to put tc and wee joe away for life. Tc said we all knew mcgraw was paying the police money and alot at that just to turn a blind eye since we did the rspo's since at least 1972, and it had always been a good earner. The mob got paid to leave us alone, or to tip us off, plus we made money and they made money. It was hard to see what was wrong with that? No one went to jail and its better to have a cop or two thats willing to help you instead of getting cought. By 1978 i would say the craw had 3 detective sergeants 2 detective inspectors and about 4 to 6 detective constables on his payroll, and thats not counting how many pc's. It just couldnt be proved if he was trading in bodys, he knew if that got out he was finnished for good. Especialy in 1978. They did a po and opend the safe in 1978 to find £168,000 pounds, between the craw, snadz and drew, alot of money then and sometimes we did two in the one night.
Was this not Gary Moore who did this rotten to the core he is it
was shocking what he did Mcgraw paid him thousands
40 years on has anybody been charged here ,still nothing has happened
The reason why they should only be allowed to sell 99s
it may be called ice cream van but was mobile shop for new schemes with no shops and still same nearly 40yrs on
Tam McGraw .......
Gary Moore lit the match
in the black xr3 that was used returned to dealer then gave back after heat off from dealership cmon ppl facts are there
Remember this
I'll take a cornetto, please chief..
there were always an Eddie somewhere lol
1980s the days of the fit ups when a plod would make up what you said while you were being arrested, even though you went no comment. the bias was on the side of the police in a incredible way, no matter what, in the eyes of the law the police were right.
It's still like that just there for free flow information so they have to be careful
Did they still call it 'verballing' in the '80's?
@@micahbode5424 Not in my neck of the woods, I think they've always said in London, though.
I miss the 80s discounting this sprinkle of evil of events
Eye lyke ise creem 👍
Shame McGraw had Strathclydes finest in his pocket
they all needed a glasgow send off like that fat grass thompson
All that violence caused by someone upping their ice cream prices 😢
Anyone know how much compensation they got?
Nothing
They weren't just selling ice cream ....
Scheme ya we bawbag ye
who did do it then??
Anybody know the song at 1:39
A Forest by The Cure.
@@stephencorrall thanks mate.
What's the profit on selling ice cream in a van? Not worth killing for. Surely something more profitable was being sold
Probably selling drugs or stolen gear.
About £500+ a day on the right round. Pitches can earn even more.
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bbc-scotland-documentary-glasgows-deadly-28163506 The first episode of The Ice Cream Wars will air on BBC Scotland on Tuesday, October 11 at 9pm. The second and final instalment will air on Wednesday, October 12 at the same time on the same channel., I think it's actually Monday and Tuesday
Isn't it an irony that foreigners set rules in British justice system
Indeed. It's insane.
Set what rules,,,🤷
@@joecmccluskey laws ?
@stuzo666 What laws did the EU set that effected the outcome of the Trial Verdict,,,,,This was all down to Police protecting themselves because they have McGraw a Licence to do whatever he wanted in exchange for information on other low life SCUM
I hope the Licensee is rotting in hell for this!
They were guilty but gary moore was there and was the one who lit the fire
Disgusting fitting them guys up
Nothing to do with distributing drugs. Honestly.
That’s not disputed. Big difference between that and murder. I expect you know that
Remember Jimmy Fulton I no Ferris RMB him
He owes me 7 quid
Did they ever find the real killer in the end or is it unsolved
Unsolved. The biggest scandal
It's amazing what a grown man will do over a soft-serve cone. They don't even contain any dairy.
not right now mate .ffs
Who set the fire, a lot of people know, but no one is speaking.
The fire was the snake McGraw's idea for Fatboy running his brand new van add the road . possible GM,and an acomplus set it .sure did GM do do away with a gas cooker or two in is day .I think GM had something to do with it.
This was Glasgow's 5 Genertion's of one Family All Dead Then jailed The Innocent/wromg 2 guy's
So sad
Cops...jesus...
Mental. My brother dangled me over the bridge on Gartcraig Rd. CARNTYNE IN THE AREEEEEEEEA!!!!
Weren't they all selling smack?
police lies
They done it pair of wrong uns
Holy raspberry ripples
Duncan Bannatyne has a lot to answer for.
How
I always wonderd about that. But he was west side ; clydebank, and the OK etc
Dragons Den ?????
@@djsolace8085 yeah mate, he ran a fleet of ice cream vans
Wasn't it drugs ?
Nothing to do with drugs read tc's book tells you in there that fat boy ran tam McGraw's new van off the road hence the fire.
*FREE LUKE MITCHELL*
Let's not.
Sicko
Jeez I thought it was a war with actual ice cream, firing giant canons filled with vanilla and choc chip.
Don't disrespect the ice chocs 😜
Not too far off the truth. They'd squeeze strawberry sauce all over rival gangs' vehicles' windscreens, which was so sticky it was difficult to remove.
U being serious never herd that before lol
Police lying to convict. Nothing new here. Ever known an honest Police officer?.
Uh huh, me neither.
It's a bit naive to think the ice cream wars were about ice cream.
RIP TC