Best discussion on this I've seen. Was flying with a friend a few days back and we got talking about this. I mentioned your last video and it got me thinking, so I made a change, (was running Airmode as a feature). Since I like horizon for when I go LOS to walk a quad home or such, so I set a 3 pos switch as such - up=Horizon/Air mid=Acro/Air and dn = Acro. This way I can always pull the switch down to land, skid or "Bonk" (although I don't fly many places where Skid and bonk are possible). FWIW - I idle most of my machines @ 4.5%, but that's a lot on 6" or on high KV setups, so those are usually lower. Thanks, Keep up the 'tech and how it effects your flying' theme, I like it!
It's videos like this where your engineering background comes through. Thanks for explaining it so well. I have debated putting airmode on a switch, but now I'll try it. now what to BONK?!? 😂
Nothing against the other tech vids the other RR guys do, but THANK YOU for your tech videos. You do one thing that most don’t; you explain it in plain English!
Drib great coverage of a very impotant topic! I use Airmode on a switch, Idle up and pid_at_min_throttle = off so my BF4.1 is the same as my KISS build...
I noticed after my first flight with airmode besides the obvious, is that it's very zippy. At mid to low throttle my quad is much more reactive. So glad I found this video and tried it. It's has so much better control. I'm limited to the front yard on the week days so lots of lower throttle flying. It's almost a must to fly with. Now I just have to learn how to disarm really fast when I crash. That's my only concern. Even on a switch one must be fast to avoid burning up equipment. Thanks for your excellent video
I recently set up idle up on my quad and will test it against airmode. In butterflight, I changed following parameters: set min_command = 1060 (was 1000 by default), set min_throttle = 1050 (was 1070 by default) and set pid_at_min_throttle = OFF (was ON by default). On top of that, I added an override throttle Channel switch with val=-100 in my taranis and set min microsecond to 1068 on throttle Channel output.
great vid thanks. I had this curve set on AMRing switch combination AND not a dedicated swtich. Of course quad would not arm due to THROTTLE warning flag raised (BF 4.2) :) So I added anoter Logical switch (which there are plenty) with ARM switch combination and a delay of 0.1 sec and now I dont need to use two switches for ARMING and IDLE UP but just one switch.
I keep air mode on a switch as well so I can turn it off for hand launches Mr Steve style or to check props or anytime i'm gonna bonk something, never bothered with idle-up though, maybe i'll throw it on a switch and give it a try.
hey buddy i have to ask. i put skate park quad wheels on my quad to rip skate parks is this the only way to do it still? airmode we flipping and tricking then hit the switch as u come down on a ramp for idle up so no airmode bounce
Thx for the info. Also im not afraid to admit it..,I wish to know your rates if you wouldn't mind sharing? Or even a ballpark. Ive been flying for around 1 year with nothing bigger than a 3" quad so I have finally started messing with my rates and I've also just bought my first 5" geprc mock 4 , 4k . Im only two backs in with it still massing with bf .
I have a prob maybe you can help have a quad i built bardwell board 3.3 betta flight when i do a punch and throttle up than throttle down quickly the quad continues to idle up for a second before it idles back down any ideas what it could be
Nice work...great video and I like that you are talking with some technical authority... keep it up on stuff you are passionate about. A tip... if you are recording voiceover in your noisy room......record a couple of minutes of not speaking and use that for the videos when you aren’t speaking... it’s disconcerting when it goes silent.
Holy crud how did you do the Mario "Grow" tune as your power up sound!??? Can that be your next Drib2 video?! That was hilariously amazing! I wanna do that! Is that within BetaFlight?
5% is pretty low, I can't get a stable pid controller at 5% but at 8% things become manageable,. At 10-12% it becomes indistinguishable to Airmode but has some definitive thrust inverted and in dives. At 8% I can still tell a very minor difference but really appreciate the reliability in contact tricks and accidental clips.
Thanks a lot for the quick reply drew. Love your flying videos, it's sooooo smoothhhhhhhh man. Please keep up your great work, been following you on the other channel for quite some time. cheers.....
I have the newest Betaflight version, but when I try to land in airmode it still jumps away like crazy, even before the quad touches the ground, maybe because my Idle is at 9.
Tune-in' FPV because he already set minimum throttle to 1050 when activate the idle up switch. So the 1,5% idle is only before idle up switch and airmode are active.
i was setting up idle up. it was arming until i put this command in. the FC light flashes that its armed but motors won't spin now, what did i do wrong? lmao I've tried turning up the idle value an still didn't work
This question is not about airmode or idle up, but I hope it is okey. In the dvr I we can see the rssi. Is that something you can set with spektrum reciver or are you useing crossfire on this quad? If it is a spektrum reciver, how can I set that up? I realy like this two videos about airmode and idle up. I am new to this hobby and this was a good explanation. Regards Øystein
i remember the days when you had no choice but to learn not to completly drop throttle ,,your afternoon was done then and there if you did go to 0 throttle lol
I know you commented this ages ago, but do you prefer idle up or air mode? I always used betaflight and airmode, now I'm building a kiss v2 system so I'm curious about trying idle up.
Hey Drew.. there is still an issue with what you are calling idle up here. Back in my heli days idle up meant setting a steady motor speed that kept the helis head speed at a certain rpm no matter what else you were doing. This gives great authority for 3d heli flights. What you are doing on your quad is only putting min throttle command on a switch and not actually idling up to a stable rpm. Most set ups use min command at 1000 and then min throttle is set to the lowest point at which all four motors spin smoothly. Then the choice is made to use motor stop which does not let the motors spin when armed or to not use motor stop and have the props always spin at that min throttle setting when the quad is armed and the throttle is at its lowest position. Do you set your quads up differently then that to achieve what you are calling idle up?
Yeah everything you said except... his arm, motors spinning at like 1020 and pid loop inactive... then flip the, "idle up switch" to spin the props up faster, and air mode disabled. So you can sliiide and bonnk!
To turn off the pid controller make Shure you don't have air mode on permanently and use 👇👇in cli set pid_at_min_throttle = off whenever your throttle is at 0 your pid won't be active ✌️✌️there are lots of vids on it MAKE SHURE YOU WATCH A FUE AND UNDERSTAND IT FULLY before implementing it onto your craft
If you guys would like to do like Steele, and have the gyro not active on a switch check out my video about that. czcams.com/video/KAVexAd-gBE/video.html
Can't decide weather you are a nerd who just happens to look good or a good looking man who found out that nerd life is the way to roll. Are there any such persons besides from you? ;)
Hmmm Interesting! I'm going to put my o'lady in airmode tonight ..see if she vibrates when I hit her with some slides and bonks! >>Gotta love the Drib 2 channel! Boys will be Boys!
Only handles drones, very short coming. Idle up on a 3D helicopter means full throttle but 0 degree pitch on the middle stand of your throttle gauge, up is positive pitch, down is negative pitch. This is how we are able to fly upside down. Air Mode is non existent on 3D helicopters. We have normal mode where the pitch is fixed and you control throttle, in this mode 3D flight is not possible.
can you tell me how you make your videos constantly pop up no matter what i'm watching you and joshua bardwell seem to always load up next on my playlist, wtf have you done? malware or something. rotor riot also. your like telemarketeers, geez u made unsubscribe.
Best discussion on this I've seen. Was flying with a friend a few days back and we got talking about this. I mentioned your last video and it got me thinking, so I made a change, (was running Airmode as a feature).
Since I like horizon for when I go LOS to walk a quad home or such, so I set a 3 pos switch as such - up=Horizon/Air mid=Acro/Air and dn = Acro. This way I can always pull the switch down to land, skid or "Bonk" (although I don't fly many places where Skid and bonk are possible).
FWIW - I idle most of my machines @ 4.5%, but that's a lot on 6" or on high KV setups, so those are usually lower.
Thanks, Keep up the 'tech and how it effects your flying' theme, I like it!
Im a newb and still learning. Airmode amazes me! It blows my mind how well the kwad holds its last stick orientation
i just noticed this video was since last may but believe me i've just watched it, A million thanks for this valueable info.
Totally makes sense. Thanks bro...keep it coming.
Perfect Explanation thank you Drew.
Thanks a lot Drew! Very helpful!
Love! the content on this channel ...keep it up!
GREAT VIDEO! Perfect timing. I'm having an issue with this atm.
It's videos like this where your engineering background comes through. Thanks for explaining it so well. I have debated putting airmode on a switch, but now I'll try it. now what to BONK?!? 😂
Nothing against the other tech vids the other RR guys do, but THANK YOU for your tech videos. You do one thing that most don’t; you explain it in plain English!
Learned allot! Thanks brother!
Great information!👍
I like idle up works well for me Thanks Drew.
Drib great coverage of a very impotant topic!
I use Airmode on a switch, Idle up and pid_at_min_throttle = off so my BF4.1 is the same as my KISS build...
I learned something. I like all of this stuff. Im not good enough for it yet but i like it
Interesting... Thanks for sharing!
I noticed after my first flight with airmode besides the obvious, is that it's very zippy. At mid to low throttle my quad is much more reactive. So glad I found this video and tried it. It's has so much better control. I'm limited to the front yard on the week days so lots of lower throttle flying. It's almost a must to fly with. Now I just have to learn how to disarm really fast when I crash. That's my only concern. Even on a switch one must be fast to avoid burning up equipment. Thanks for your excellent video
Hey Drew, how did you get the stick input on your OSD? Thanks for your videos and all your uploads! Greetings from Los Mochis, Mexico
at 14:50 you solved all my griefs with 1 quad for 2 years... thanks
I recently set up idle up on my quad and will test it against airmode. In butterflight, I changed following parameters: set min_command = 1060 (was 1000 by default), set min_throttle = 1050 (was 1070 by default) and set pid_at_min_throttle = OFF (was ON by default). On top of that, I added an override throttle Channel switch with val=-100 in my taranis and set min microsecond to 1068 on throttle Channel output.
Interesting . I need to do more homework on this .
love those awkward silences, mmmmmmmmmm..... also having a DX6 you kinda need that channel for turtle. So Airmode on all the time is great!
great vid thanks.
I had this curve set on AMRing switch combination AND not a dedicated swtich. Of course quad would not arm due to THROTTLE warning flag raised (BF 4.2) :)
So I added anoter Logical switch (which there are plenty) with ARM switch combination and a delay of 0.1 sec and now I dont need to use two switches for ARMING and IDLE UP but just one switch.
Great video - and timely for me - The best description I have heard on idle up versus air mode. Thank you for sharing!
Hi Drib
In What freestyle tricks do you turn off the airmode? Thanks!!
Hey bro ,thnks for clear explain.for sure i understand beter then JB tutorial ,i like you show some flights ,more easy to understant 🙂
this was awesome. thank you for revisiting this subject.
Set cam autofocus off, that's always bouncing from you to background 😉
That Mario beep was dope. Now I want a Sonic one.
I been working on my drone so its normal to arm a drone in its already idle my done do that idk if it was safe to fly
I keep air mode on a switch as well so I can turn it off for hand launches Mr Steve style or to check props or anytime i'm gonna bonk something, never bothered with idle-up though, maybe i'll throw it on a switch and give it a try.
Can you turn 'motor stop' on, then use a switch on your tx to spin up the motors to 5%? Is that essentially the same as scenario #2?
hey buddy i have to ask. i put skate park quad wheels on my quad to rip skate parks is this the only way to do it still? airmode we flipping and tricking then hit the switch as u come down on a ramp for idle up so no airmode bounce
Kinda of off topic but can you do the themed esc tone on non 32bit ESC?
Thx for the info. Also im not afraid to admit it..,I wish to know your rates if you wouldn't mind sharing? Or even a ballpark. Ive been flying for around 1 year with nothing bigger than a 3" quad so I have finally started messing with my rates and I've also just bought my first 5" geprc mock 4 , 4k . Im only two backs in with it still massing with bf .
I have a prob maybe you can help have a quad i built bardwell board 3.3 betta flight when i do a punch and throttle up than throttle down quickly the quad continues to idle up for a second before it idles back down any ideas what it could be
very well explain drib very andy rc
I had the same thing happen to me, tri blade broke one prop off and kwad was taking off on me!!
Drew do you use reverse motors direction on your quads
with kiss, i didnt realize how the idle up/ air mode worked. yup. took two motor bells before i learnt that one.
My skidability factor just increased to Gnarl-mode!
Nice work...great video and I like that you are talking with some technical authority... keep it up on stuff you are passionate about.
A tip... if you are recording voiceover in your noisy room......record a couple of minutes of not speaking and use that for the videos when you aren’t speaking... it’s disconcerting when it goes silent.
I'm interested in the sticks overlay (OSD). Does anybody know how to do that?
Holy crud how did you do the Mario "Grow" tune as your power up sound!??? Can that be your next Drib2 video?! That was hilariously amazing! I wanna do that! Is that within BetaFlight?
Thomas Cee u. Need blheli 32 for that
Andreas Klein I have it... whats next ??
czcams.com/video/5ZSaqyscqbI/video.html right here my dude. JB also did a video on it.
Fuzzwad ahhhhh !!!! Thank you brother !!!!
5% is pretty low, I can't get a stable pid controller at 5% but at 8% things become manageable,. At 10-12% it becomes indistinguishable to Airmode but has some definitive thrust inverted and in dives. At 8% I can still tell a very minor difference but really appreciate the reliability in contact tricks and accidental clips.
Do you use active breaking on your escs?
how to settup iddle up in BF 3.3?
Thanks again for a great video.
Wanna ask if i'll be using Air Mode, should i make sure that Motor Stop is OFF?
I recommend turning off Motor Stop
Thanks a lot for the quick reply drew.
Love your flying videos, it's sooooo smoothhhhhhhh man.
Please keep up your great work, been following you on the other channel for quite some time.
cheers.....
I have the newest Betaflight version, but when I try to land in airmode it still jumps away like crazy, even before the quad touches the ground, maybe because my Idle is at 9.
9 seems high, default is 4.5 and has worked well 2”-6” for me.
Thx
Great!
Please what's the name of your Vtx antenna ? Have you a link ? Thx ;)
that's an AXCI (I BELIEVE)
How do you not get de-sync running idle that low????
Tune-in' FPV because he already set minimum throttle to 1050 when activate the idle up switch. So the 1,5% idle is only before idle up switch and airmode are active.
So fluffy bearing sound :P
WHATS UP GUYS!
I just switched from air mode to idle up, and set the pid at low throttle off in CLI... now its just like steeles quad.. RIPS too!
i was setting up idle up. it was arming until i put this command in. the FC light flashes that its armed but motors won't spin now, what did i do wrong? lmao
I've tried turning up the idle value an still didn't work
HardTimeZFpv idle up has to be OFF.. then arm.. then turn on idle up...
OHHH! I have idle up on my arm switch, I'll go change that! thank a million, man!
HardTimeZFpv Not a problem man!!! Sub me if you'd like, I'm starting to upload lots of stuff! How tos and tests are coming soon!
that help is suuper appreciative, I definitely got you!!
Errr air mode simply enables the PID loop at no/low throttle, idle up only spins up the motors at low speed.
what 3d printer do you have ??
This question is not about airmode or idle up, but I hope it is okey. In the dvr I we can see the rssi. Is that something you can set with spektrum reciver or are you useing crossfire on this quad? If it is a spektrum reciver, how can I set that up?
I realy like this two videos about airmode and idle up. I am new to this hobby and this was a good explanation.
Regards Øystein
It is Spektrum. I’ll try to cover soon. :)
i remember the days when you had no choice but to learn not to completly drop throttle ,,your afternoon was done then and there if you did go to 0 throttle lol
What would happen ? Desync ?
Air mode for life son
Until I watched this and JBs take, I thought I was just crapy at landing.
And your videos are fucking great, I love the way you fly...learn from you, on your video
Hello how to find a pilot with one hand?I'm from Russia,so the pilot and me.he can something tell me how better to manage with one hand
set pid_at_min_throttle =off in cli, makes it to behave like kiss does in idle up mode.
I know you commented this ages ago, but do you prefer idle up or air mode? I always used betaflight and airmode, now I'm building a kiss v2 system so I'm curious about trying idle up.
Hey Drew.. there is still an issue with what you are calling idle up here. Back in my heli days idle up meant setting a steady motor speed that kept the helis head speed at a certain rpm no matter what else you were doing. This gives great authority for 3d heli flights. What you are doing on your quad is only putting min throttle command on a switch and not actually idling up to a stable rpm.
Most set ups use min command at 1000 and then min throttle is set to the lowest point at which all four motors spin smoothly. Then the choice is made to use motor stop which does not let the motors spin when armed or to not use motor stop and have the props always spin at that min throttle setting when the quad is armed and the throttle is at its lowest position.
Do you set your quads up differently then that to achieve what you are calling idle up?
I set up my quads exactly as explained in this video.
Yeah everything you said except... his arm, motors spinning at like 1020 and pid loop inactive... then flip the, "idle up switch" to spin the props up faster, and air mode disabled. So you can sliiide and bonnk!
real world people would say.
keep the calculated rotation speed difference of the props at the lower boundary in place.
Now i am confused of what im should use XD
Set your focus to manual and lock it in on your face!
To turn off the pid controller make Shure you don't have air mode on permanently and use 👇👇in cli
set pid_at_min_throttle = off
whenever your throttle is at 0 your pid won't be active ✌️✌️there are lots of vids on it MAKE SHURE YOU WATCH A FUE AND UNDERSTAND IT FULLY before implementing it onto your craft
I love you ;)
Airmode can kill motors and ESC s in a crash. What you think? In 8S 5", yes 8S :D 1 chrash = 1 burnt motor :D
is air mode increase hang time?
ryuu ji no, just increases stability during hang time (and other low throttle situations).
Maybe... I think in air mode, it increase I-term so keep the drone up.
If you guys would like to do like Steele, and have the gyro not active on a switch check out my video about that.
czcams.com/video/KAVexAd-gBE/video.html
If you need an idle up for airmode, your min throttle is set too low.
unless you do that intentionally for reasons explained in this video
Can't decide weather you are a nerd who just happens to look good or a good looking man who found out that nerd life is the way to roll. Are there any such persons besides from you? ;)
Hmmm Interesting! I'm going to put my o'lady in airmode tonight ..see if she vibrates when I hit her with some slides and bonks! >>Gotta love the Drib 2 channel! Boys will be Boys!
Only handles drones, very short coming. Idle up on a 3D helicopter means full throttle but 0 degree pitch on the middle stand of your throttle gauge, up is positive pitch, down is negative pitch. This is how we are able to fly upside down. Air Mode is non existent on 3D helicopters. We have normal mode where the pitch is fixed and you control throttle, in this mode 3D flight is not possible.
150 amps! What is your setup there? And your going to need better C batteries, every time you hit those amps it gives a low battery 😂😜😘
boi
Couldn't handle the auto-focus madness. Sorry.
can you tell me how you make your videos constantly pop up no matter what i'm watching you and joshua bardwell seem to always load up next on my playlist, wtf have you done? malware or something. rotor riot also. your like telemarketeers, geez u made unsubscribe.