The creation ideal is the biblical intention. It seems obvious to me. The question is how we honor God by standing for what He designed, and how we care for people. God allows for gay people to exist, just as he allowed for slavers to exist, and divorce to be permitted to exist. What is the intent and design mandate? The answer is obvious. There are no same sex pregnancies.
I disagree. God does not intend recreate the creation ideal brick for brick. When He talks about the New Earth, He talks about a NEW thing. God is creating beauty from the wreckage of sin. Which is why we will not have marriage in heaven, but will be like the angels. People get married, people die or get divorced and then remarried. It's messy. But if people are saved through our testimony our lives there will be better for it. Do I believe that gay marriage and gay relationships were the creation ideal? No. The creation ideal was for us to be straight, naked vegans, sleeping outdoors and marrying our siblings. Does wearing clothes and eating honey make us against God? No. Will there be indoor housing in heaven? Yes. I believe gay marriage is not the ideal in the way grocery stores are not ideal. Would it be nice to grow your own food and pick it fresh from your garden? Sure, but some people live in climates where that can't happen and they don't deserve to starve because their yard wasn't made that way. People need food. People need love 🏳️🌈. In the end, we don't take any of our romantic relationships with us to heaven.
Two arguments that do not make sense to me. 1 The wasting of male sperm, which I believe is taken completely out of context… if ejaculating without the intention of producing a child is a sin then all sex within a marriage that prevent the production of a child, prevention or having sex with a woman that cannot produce children any more must be killed because that is what God did to Judah’s son. 2. The same word that is used when Ruben slept( raped, incest) with Billah… this is a precise indication of what kind of sex is wrong with another male… sex with someone in a weaker standing than the perpetrator and also with in the same family… That is plain reading of the Hebrew…
Also the reason there is no trajectory is because it is not an issue …. EG White does not even mention it in the Sodom story and we all no Sodomy in the Bible has nothing to do with sex but is being poor of spirit and inhospitable …. Does that remind you of something?
i feel exploited by so many commercials. lol
It was getting ridiculous
Thanks for posting this
Humanism or true theology?
"In some sense" -famous last words
The creation ideal is the biblical intention. It seems obvious to me. The question is how we honor God by standing for what He designed, and how we care for people. God allows for gay people to exist, just as he allowed for slavers to exist, and divorce to be permitted to exist. What is the intent and design mandate? The answer is obvious. There are no same sex pregnancies.
I disagree. God does not intend recreate the creation ideal brick for brick. When He talks about the New Earth, He talks about a NEW thing. God is creating beauty from the wreckage of sin. Which is why we will not have marriage in heaven, but will be like the angels. People get married, people die or get divorced and then remarried. It's messy. But if people are saved through our testimony our lives there will be better for it. Do I believe that gay marriage and gay relationships were the creation ideal? No. The creation ideal was for us to be straight, naked vegans, sleeping outdoors and marrying our siblings. Does wearing clothes and eating honey make us against God? No. Will there be indoor housing in heaven? Yes. I believe gay marriage is not the ideal in the way grocery stores are not ideal. Would it be nice to grow your own food and pick it fresh from your garden? Sure, but some people live in climates where that can't happen and they don't deserve to starve because their yard wasn't made that way. People need food. People need love 🏳️🌈. In the end, we don't take any of our romantic relationships with us to heaven.
@@Adronitisit's more than just not ideal...it's an abomination. It leads into further degeneracy.
Two arguments that do not make sense to me. 1 The wasting of male sperm, which I believe is taken completely out of context… if ejaculating without the intention of producing a child is a sin then all sex within a marriage that prevent the production of a child, prevention or having sex with a woman that cannot produce children any more must be killed because that is what God did to Judah’s son.
2. The same word that is used when Ruben slept( raped, incest) with Billah… this is a precise indication of what kind of sex is wrong with another male… sex with someone in a weaker standing than the perpetrator and also with in the same family…
That is plain reading of the Hebrew…
Ps… do not forget to produce an offspring with your sister in law if your brother dies without an offspring.
Also the reason there is no trajectory is because it is not an issue …. EG White does not even mention it in the Sodom story and we all no Sodomy in the Bible has nothing to do with sex but is being poor of spirit and inhospitable …. Does that remind you of something?
This is the most you have grilled your guest. You must had hated him as a teacher? Haaa