Breast Support in the Middle Ages? || Yesterday's Pajamas
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- Medieval underwear is a little...passion of mine, one could say. As it goes, I am one of those people who needs the support to manage all the things I do at events, and modern bras just don't get the right silhouette. I hope this helps any of you join the 14th/15th century boob support squad! It's sometimes a cult, with how much those of us researching it like to talk about it.
Materials:
4.7oz Linen from Dharma Trading Co
Silk thread from DeVere Yarns
Linen thread from Burnley and Trowbridge
Linen tape from Burnley and Trowbridge
Further Reading on the Subject:
Bras in the 15th Century? A Preliminary Report. In: Johanna Banck-Burgess and Carla Nübold (Eds.) , The North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles XI. (Rahden/Westf. 2013 ) p. 221-225.
Really, Nutz seems to be the only one publishing papers on the subject, I'd binge her academia.edu page if I were you
Balade sur Les Femmes Qui Troussent Leur Tetins by Eustache Deschamps
La Chirgurie by Henri de Mondeville
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I can't wait to try this! I love the tip about leaning over and pinning on hands and knees. If I can get this right, this will revolutionize my MODERN silhouette. Maybe medieval solutions can solve modern problems. No matter how much you pay for a bra, it was designed by someone else for a standard body. If I can develop the skill I would be delighted to spend time instead of money.
I typically wear mine over a non-supportive shift to help smooth things out even further, and it does get worn under modern dresses too hahaha. Highly recommend!
Omg I wasn't sure where you were going by pulling out the rabbit, but yes perfect explination 😂
I like the idea but the thought of having to squeeze into a super tight little every day is slightly daunting. However I found various versions of, what in mediaeval documents, are called breast bags. The best information is from katafalk on Pinterest who made some and tested them while working as a teacher. As a result I tried making myself some and worn over a shift (or camisole top) they are fabulous and comfortable. And I speak as an M cup.
I admit that I saw this video and honestly thought that these were what you were referring to, but no such luck. They are more basic than the Lengburg bra, and are basically a tightly laced shift bodice with vertical bra cups. Well worth trying and give you a shape similar to those in mediaeval art (and possibly what the Bishop was decrying, certainly other priests did, and by name). I now wear mine daily in place of a modern bra, and they are so, so, much cheaper as well.
One thing I do differently to katafalk, I don't have the skirt addition to keep the waist down so I simply add a single bone in each side seam and another each side of the CF simply because I lace mine at the front. Best garments I have made, and will never buy or wear a modern bra again.
Absolutely love the neutral shift you are wearing at one point. Do you have a pattern and a how to please?
Never seen anyone talking about a shift like that. Totally interesting ^^. Just want to add, that the extend bras where found in Austria not Germany. Two different countries, and austrians don't like being called german.
Thank you so much for the correction! I've had the castle and region memorized, but never the modern nation of origin, and since most of Nutz' publications are in German, I guess that's what filled in there.
@@FayeSterling that's totally understandable, i just remembered because i'm austrian and thought it was cool that it came from here :D
many thanks....informative as well as illustrative.
Amazing work! It turned out great! I would have like to see more after shots! So gorgeous :)
This is just what I need! Thank you so much😁
This was very informative and straightforward! Thank you for also sharing which texts you used as reference! It also looks good and not as snug looking as I guessed it might.
WOW ! It looks great ! thank you for the historical information on it too.
It was my pleasure! this is one of my favorite focuses for the medieval and renaissance era, and I really think they should be used more often
Me: Watching tea being prepared while listening to soothing perhaps old English background music. Lovely.
Also me: Sees rain out the window and Hears the words "rainy day in Texas." ?!?!
Backs up, play again ...yup she said Texas. Mind blown.
Looks super comfy and supportive. Great future project.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills.
Neat, and that's such a cool bit of tea ware!
I love my 1860s china!
How supportive is it? I was trying to find historical underwear for my larp character but idk how it would do for running. Yours came out lovely!
While it's by no means as good as a modern sports bra, part of the benefit of the reduction it gives is that, especially in comparison to the previous strophium and an unsupportive shift, it's far more comfortable for running (and fighting longsword), at least for my DDs. As always with support styles your mileage may vary, since all bodies are different!
That was so interesting to watch!! I love that one can find more videos on undergarments from various eras now and you provided helpful information for further research into this topic as well. And your hint/showing how to pin was as practical as it was hilarious :D Thank you for filming this!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Secretly, I'm hoping the cult of supportive shifts spreads, which is why I knew I had to make a video about it, lol
Thank you! ❤💐 😊🇨🇦
I definitely need to make one!
Looks great! Excellent video and sources :)
Thanks a lot! It's been quite a bit of trial and error in figuring out the best draping method, but I'm glad with how things have improved in the last three trials
THANK YOU THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED
6:01 ominous kitty shadow
Since you mention intentional flattening, will you make a video about the fashion and views of the day? I recall one monk or bishop writing about how being well endowed was a sign of sinfulness (which may explain the flattening), though I think that might've been a few centuries earlier.
I don't know about that they didn't choose to to have large breasts.
@@jacobitewiseman3696 It's an idea that comes from the Greeks. A woman on trial for some crime once stripped, and because she was beautiful, it was taken as evidence she was good, so she was cleared of the charges.
It's the idea physical characteristics reflect the soul/nature, and are signs of divine contempt/approval.
Of course, it's not to say everyone agreed with that fellow.
@@vanivanov9571 yeah I'm pretty sure that wasn't standard church teaching. Now I would agree if he was talking about implants or unneeded breast reduction( there are cases of necessary ones). I also theorized it could be a regional thing. Look at Corinthians talking about men with long hair but yet men of good standing having long hair like Sampson. For another example Scottish women tend to be well more ample bosomed on average compared to the rest of the British isle. Medieval Europe wasn't the medieval empire . Also big breasts that are proportionately big are beautiful.
Ooh I want one
Hi! I love your video! Would you have any information about Ancient Roman underwear?
Sorry for the late response, I wanted to get some notes together first since my focus on underwear really starts around the vendel era. However, the strophium that I mentioned is seen in roman mosaics, like in the Villa Romana del Casalle mosaic. The lower half would be covered by a subligaculum. Just like braies, there are a couple of methods for making them, and an extant leather one from Roman London. I hope that's a good launching point for you!
@@FayeSterling It is, thank you! I knew about the leather ones, and I'm trying to hunt down methods, too! Thank you again!
I'm not sure if it will help with your question, but Buzzfeed: Ladylike tested historical bras/breast support several years ago and tried wearing a strophion (as well as bullet bras etc) for a day. They decided it was supportive, but seemed to shift over time.
The video is still available on CZcams, and is an amusing watch even if it isn't useful to you.
Hi! I'm trying to make this and I'm a bit confused. Do you have like a pattern? Or a diagram?
It's a draped pattern, so I don't really have one that I could send. Every bust is different and requires slightly different shaping to get similar support/reduction. But you should aim for four panels in the bodice, two in the back and two in the front.
Love it! What are you wearing in the second half of the video?
It’s the underwear for my German gown! I did a video on the petticoat as well in March of 2020