@@zippityzop I think all us old ATI fans miss Ruby, and I wish they would bring her back, but really thinking about it in 2021 the social media snowflakes would sadly call it misogynistic, or some other Bull if they did while trying to drag AMD into the dung of their bull!!
When old out of production hardware is easier to obtain than the new stuff. I miss the ATI logo. AMD needs to bring it back. Ruby needs way more love to.
I really feel ya as last Friday evening when taking yard waste off to the local recycle drop off, I found a nearly new condition HP Pavilion HPE h8-1017c PC tower in the e-waste bin with the Premium Graphics ATI Logo on the case, and it made me so nostalgic for the ATI logo, and Ruby, so I agree they should at leat bring Ruby back for some demos. the GPU in the system was a 1GB Eyefinity Radeon HD6570, but with GPU's being in short supply I pulled out an MSI AMD R7 250 2GB OC GPU from my collection for the upgrade, as it's going to be mostly be an office PC with some light gaming on the side running Manjaro Mate Linux.
@@CommodoreFan64 rock on! I don't understand AMD's marketing strategy or even if they have one! They should be making commercials to air on major networks. Ruby is a bad ass super spy. Make commercials with her in them. Hell even 3Dfx used to advertise on TV before they got bought !
@@zippityzop I don't know about TV ads with less eyeballs than ever watching the major networks these days, even with sports, but maybe more aggressive online ads on sites like YT, and ads for streaming services like Hulu, PlutoTV, etc.. would help.
@@zippityzop They don't have much marketing at the moment, they are just now recovering financially. Which is a good thing because im not interested in an Nvidia monopoly.
I skipped the X1000 series straight to HD2600 from a X700Pro. The difference was huge. My GPU chronology (iirc): 9250Pro X700Pro HD2600 HD3750 HD5750 HD7950 R9 390 Vega 56 RX 6800 I'm not a Radeon fanboy. Just so happens to get the better deal on Radeon cards every time I went shopping for a GPU.
I never had any idea that the 9500 Pro was a lower clocked version of the 9700 Pro, and not the 9600 XT. I also didn't know the X1300 Pro was so much faster than both.
5:45 the cancelled PowerVR Kyro III had the same 4 pipes and 2 vertex shaders as the Radeon x1300 Pro of course with lower clocked, core was clocked at 250mhz. RIP Kyro III wish it had come out
I was like, all I need in this hot summer day is a PixelPipes video. So I was about to find a good old one I could enjoy, then I see there is a new video! Awesome! Too bad CZcams doesn't send me notifications anymore. :| Great video! :)
I like the idea of using a low(er) end / value card to target mid-high end performance of a couple of generations back. Also, sometimes low end cards have huge overclocking potential! 😎 Regarding 9600XT vs 9500Pro, the only reason I see the XT should be faster is the slightly higher memory bandwidth; would have been interesting run the test with the same RAM clock. P.S. Keep up this Fragment thing, like it! 😉
Overclocked 7300GT from 380/266 to 570/400 and it nearly matches GeForce 6800 (just 6800 not GT) in games and benchmarks. Sometimes does better because it has 4X the memory but half the memory buswidth so it varies.
I did something similar in a way, wanted HD4890 CFX for my retro XP PC as that's what I ran back in the day but saw that HD5770s were half the price. They're basically the same card with less memory bandwidth, DX11 compatibility and less power consumption...so I went for the HD5770.
My roommate once had a Radeon 9500 with the L-shape to the RAM, and he successfully modded it into a 9700. That said, it ran great like that for a couple of years, till he tried to push the clocks just a BIT too high, and the card started acting flaky. He put it back to a stock 9500 and it worked perfectly for another several years.
Few notes about 9500/9500Pro. L-shaped cards cannot be flashed to full performance out-of-the-box. They can be soft-modded with special driver, which is easier to do. Flashing requires changing position of one SMD element on chip's PCB: stevesimons.altervista.org/hardware/GCMods/images/differences/95009700pro1.jpg Also, in real-life scenario (non 3DMark) 9500Pro can use 2xAA in most of the titles. 9600XT cannot, even with limited overclocking.
Technically, the fastest AGP card not to require external power should not be a 9600XT but a FireGL X1-256, since it is basically a 9700 Pro with twice the RAM and it draws all of its 37W through the AGP slot (AGP pro 50, not compatible with every motherboard, but for instance an ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe supports it).
One of the most interesting shifts with modern GPU Architechtures and the trend towards Compute, is the elimination of the weird scaling of lower end parts. Nowadays (meaning since Tesla/Terascale) there is no more of this lower card outperforming a higher card of the same generation...
Awesome review of the Radeon x1300! It's nice to see where these retro video cards stand. I may be more inclined to get one of these now, not sure what I would do with it, hum. Thanks again Nathan, always love your videos.
I remember upgrading from a 9600XT to a X850XT back in the day...I remember being pissed when I realized the card lacked SM3.0. Something similar happened recently with my 5700XT and mesh shaders. (Alan Wake 2)
I used to have an AGP x1650PRO 256MB from sapphire, and it was great. I return to use an HD5750 1GB ddr5 on my system, after seeing the inflatted prices on the market, a little old for new standards but is still better than most integrated graphics nowadays.
I remember looking at purchasing a X1300 pro for around $100 back in 2006-07 , eventually deciding to go with a "open box" X1600 pro from Newegg for roughly the same amount. I might have been able to get a better deal but I was limited to AGP 8x cards only, which sucked because the PCI-E counterparts of most cards were always a little cheaper or a little faster or both.
Lol I had one of these when I was 16, my grandpa gave me his hp desktop with a pentium 4 @2.8ghz and I put one of these x1300 pro in it,,, I was able to atleast play half life 2 ,,albeit around 30fps. Back than only high end cards could hit 60 fps, budget cards just allowed you to run the game pretty much, because Intel igpu wouldn't even be able to start the game lots of times you needed a dedicated 3d card to just rub it at all. Now you can easily hit 60 fps with contemporary " budget" cards like the 1650 or 1660...unheard of back in 2005 like I said. Was much more expensive to get in pc gaming from what I remember.
nice comparison. I would only add that too bad X1300 doesn't support Win98 like the other two. That would make it really interesting option for late Win98 gaming :)
One thing would be a nice fragment is which was the best integrated video at the end of the nineties. Is it in 1997 or later? Ati, S3, Via Chrome or some other brand. On which platform, AMD, Intel, chipset Ati, Via, Ali or ...? Or is this to big for a one day video. Can ask this from RetroSpector78, because I know him. Maybe it's something for PhilsComputerLab, I really don't know, or for all of you in this GPU June.
using a hd4670 in a rig i cobbled out of junk parts laying around. i think my motherboards got a bum ram slot.. seems to me when ever i have all slots populated. i get strange system freeze ups randomly at seemingly random points load no idle or in use just randomly end up with a frozen screen... so far so good no freezups using 3 slots... old ass am2 mobo..
It would be great to see results of X1300 Pro @ 500/600 to see difference between 9600 XT on clock-to-clock basis. Otherwise, pretty neat to see those graphs. 9500 Pro has slight advantage in fillrate department, whereas 9600 XT has much higher memory bandwidth. To me that explains most of the results. If you were to drop the resolution to something like 640x480, I think 9500 Pro would take a lead over 9600 XT. HL2 and X1300 Pro result was a big surprise though! Personally, I had 9600 back in the day. Swapped with my friend for 9550. He got faster card on stock, I gained 4ns memory chips (mine 9600 had 5ns chips). I managed to get ~515/500MHz (core/mem) on this thing after doing some overvolting. Managed to break 4000 barrier in 3DM05, so I landed in between 9600 Pro and XT.
i just picked up a real gem of a card sir! It's a sapphire radeon HD3850 AGP version for $40. I hear it's the fastest radeon agp card made....is that true? FYI i also replaced the thermal paste on it as it was also hard as a rock.
Looking at the performance of this card (I suppose you are using a pretty high end XP system) I wonder, once we start using XP instead of 98se do we still benefit from hardware and driver performance and compatibility benefits by using hardware that is somewhat "period correct"? (whatever these word really meant)
Nice content but if I were you I would use a more period correct resolution. Those cards are midrange/low range from 2002/2003/2005: common resolution for that period and those cards are 1024*768.
Maybe an 256bit radeon 9800SE could win here with 4 pipe. Or a 9500 non pro with 256bit memory interface. But they are too rare. I have a 9500 non pro but faulty:( Only works with Microsoft driver and do many visual bugs.
I do wonder what's the performance difference between the Radeon 9xxx and Radeon Xxxx cards, or even the Geforce FX cards when running games in DX8 vs DX9.
I have an old computer about that I believe I used to have a 9700 pro in, but it now has a vacant AGP slot and is of no use to me. I've been looking around a bit for a cheap card to put in there without turning it into a complete potato, but the 9700 pro and similar cards are insanely expensive nowadays. I've seen a regular x1300 for sale though. On paper, it looks pretty much exactly the same as the pro version, just clocked lower, I think? Does anyone know how much of a difference there is? Somewhere in the middle of these results I guess?
As i remember in time when 9600xt hit the market.... you cound get in same price 9700.... which was much better... Again, in price of radeon 9600pro you could get 9500 pro which basically had performance like 9600XT so about -25% higher.... 9600 series was crap and downgrade
..its 2022 russia is invading ukraine canadian gas is 2.00 a litre .... im installing aquamark to test out an ati x300 32mb card on a dell 5150.... lamenting the fact it didnt have the x600 it was came with. lol
I just love these old Radeons. It's too bad that AMD dosen't use Ruby anymore.
Tech demos need to come back. I miss Ruby to.
@@zippityzop I think all us old ATI fans miss Ruby, and I wish they would bring her back, but really thinking about it in 2021 the social media snowflakes would sadly call it misogynistic, or some other Bull if they did while trying to drag AMD into the dung of their bull!!
@@zippityzop nVIDIA still makes them, and ATI(AMD) stopped around GCN launch as far as I know
@@classic_jam I think AMD made one called The Hangar Demo
@@CommodoreFan64 That's exactly what would happen. It's ironic because Ruby was an actual badass agent, which fits the whole "strong woman" narrative.
Very underrated channel. Love your passion for GPUs, thanks man.
I remember my Radeon 9550 one of the best mid range cards!!
Same, It was my first discreet graphics card from PowerColor⚡️🔥
@@BossBrownsugar yeah Great memories with that videocard 🔥👽🔥
Just found your channel and have been binge watching while I recover from surgery. Thank you!
LGR Blerbs but with Pixels and Pipes
When old out of production hardware is easier to obtain than the new stuff. I miss the ATI logo. AMD needs to bring it back. Ruby needs way more love to.
I really feel ya as last Friday evening when taking yard waste off to the local recycle drop off, I found a nearly new condition HP Pavilion HPE h8-1017c PC tower in the e-waste bin with the Premium Graphics ATI Logo on the case, and it made me so nostalgic for the ATI logo, and Ruby, so I agree they should at leat bring Ruby back for some demos. the GPU in the system was a 1GB Eyefinity Radeon HD6570, but with GPU's being in short supply I pulled out an MSI AMD R7 250 2GB OC GPU from my collection for the upgrade, as it's going to be mostly be an office PC with some light gaming on the side running Manjaro Mate Linux.
@@CommodoreFan64 rock on! I don't understand AMD's marketing strategy or even if they have one! They should be making commercials to air on major networks. Ruby is a bad ass super spy. Make commercials with her in them. Hell even 3Dfx used to advertise on TV before they got bought !
@@zippityzop I don't know about TV ads with less eyeballs than ever watching the major networks these days, even with sports, but maybe more aggressive online ads on sites like YT, and ads for streaming services like Hulu, PlutoTV, etc.. would help.
@@zippityzop They don't have much marketing at the moment, they are just now recovering financially. Which is a good thing because im not interested in an Nvidia monopoly.
I skipped the X1000 series straight to HD2600 from a X700Pro. The difference was huge.
My GPU chronology (iirc):
9250Pro
X700Pro
HD2600
HD3750
HD5750
HD7950
R9 390
Vega 56
RX 6800
I'm not a Radeon fanboy. Just so happens to get the better deal on Radeon cards every time I went shopping for a GPU.
I never had any idea that the 9500 Pro was a lower clocked version of the 9700 Pro, and not the 9600 XT. I also didn't know the X1300 Pro was so much faster than both.
Love the LGR Blerbs Style look at tech!!!
5:45 the cancelled PowerVR Kyro III had the same 4 pipes and 2 vertex shaders as the Radeon x1300 Pro of course with lower clocked, core was clocked at 250mhz. RIP Kyro III wish it had come out
Nice series idea. And I didn't think that card was that powerful.
I was like, all I need in this hot summer day is a PixelPipes video. So I was about to find a good old one I could enjoy, then I see there is a new video! Awesome! Too bad CZcams doesn't send me notifications anymore. :| Great video! :)
I like the idea of using a low(er) end / value card to target mid-high end performance of a couple of generations back. Also, sometimes low end cards have huge overclocking potential! 😎
Regarding 9600XT vs 9500Pro, the only reason I see the XT should be faster is the slightly higher memory bandwidth; would have been interesting run the test with the same RAM clock.
P.S. Keep up this Fragment thing, like it! 😉
Overclocked 7300GT from 380/266 to 570/400 and it nearly matches GeForce 6800 (just 6800 not GT) in games and benchmarks. Sometimes does better because it has 4X the memory but half the memory buswidth so it varies.
I did something similar in a way, wanted HD4890 CFX for my retro XP PC as that's what I ran back in the day but saw that HD5770s were half the price.
They're basically the same card with less memory bandwidth, DX11 compatibility and less power consumption...so I went for the HD5770.
It's faster only in Mark. Not in titles, even older ones.
PixelPipes Blerbs? I like it 👍
Interesting direction with this concept! Will follow to see how you develope this idea! It's more loose and free feely. I like it, keep it up!
Fragments are a good video format, great video! Looking forward to more quick takes.
I love this its just rambling about old VGA even better if someone used it back in days, great video thanks
My roommate once had a Radeon 9500 with the L-shape to the RAM, and he successfully modded it into a 9700. That said, it ran great like that for a couple of years, till he tried to push the clocks just a BIT too high, and the card started acting flaky. He put it back to a stock 9500 and it worked perfectly for another several years.
I got 2 of those bad boys that I use in a XP build to play games from 2000-2006
Pixel pipes, pixel fragments, pixel dust, pixel paste; I'll take whatever you got.
I like the watchfinder talking hands look
Few notes about 9500/9500Pro. L-shaped cards cannot be flashed to full performance out-of-the-box. They can be soft-modded with special driver, which is easier to do. Flashing requires changing position of one SMD element on chip's PCB: stevesimons.altervista.org/hardware/GCMods/images/differences/95009700pro1.jpg
Also, in real-life scenario (non 3DMark) 9500Pro can use 2xAA in most of the titles. 9600XT cannot, even with limited overclocking.
Being this quick on a video was seemingly a fragment of my imagination.
Technically, the fastest AGP card not to require external power should not be a 9600XT but a FireGL X1-256, since it is basically a 9700 Pro with twice the RAM and it draws all of its 37W through the AGP slot (AGP pro 50, not compatible with every motherboard, but for instance an ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe supports it).
Love the style and looking forward to more frequent videos soon!
I miss these old ATi cards. I had a 7500, 9700 pro, x1650 pro, 5770. Good times...
One of the most interesting shifts with modern GPU Architechtures and the trend towards Compute, is the elimination of the weird scaling of lower end parts. Nowadays (meaning since Tesla/Terascale) there is no more of this lower card outperforming a higher card of the same generation...
... except of course with the RTX 2060 TU104 edition...
Awesome review of the Radeon x1300! It's nice to see where these retro video cards stand. I may be more inclined to get one of these now, not sure what I would do with it, hum. Thanks again Nathan, always love your videos.
Schönes Video für Liebhaber dieser längst vergessen GPUs. Thanks
Really enjoyed this, you should definitely keep doing them :)
Videos like this are great, would enjoy seeing more.
I still have a x1600 full passive cooler . Its PCI express it's the card that does the tests when all goes wrong :). Good work keep it up
My personal favourite 4-pipe card was 9800 SE 256-bit.. damn I miss Ruby. :D
Liking the pipework
I remember upgrading from a 9600XT to a X850XT back in the day...I remember being pissed when I realized the card lacked SM3.0. Something similar happened recently with my 5700XT and mesh shaders. (Alan Wake 2)
I used to have an AGP x1650PRO 256MB from sapphire, and it was great.
I return to use an HD5750 1GB ddr5 on my system, after seeing the inflatted prices on the market, a little old for new standards but is still better than most integrated graphics nowadays.
Dude, i just receive a Palit 1300Pro not working, now i have a 100% functional card after reballingm thanks for the video
Have you considered adding F.E.A.R. to your benchmark list? It has a built-in benchmark and it's a real system hog on period hardware.
Yes it is in regular use as a benchmark in some of my other videos
My first graphics card was X1650 pro, I used until I got my own computer in 2011, (I was still using P4 system! )
just found one that my girlfriend had but never installed from 2005. things basically brand new. no dust or anything.
Great test!! BIG like! :-))
I have x1650 pro & 9600xt. Both are AGP on my P4HT & P3 retro system. Overkill on both system, cpu bottlenecking but I am happy with both setup.
I remember looking at purchasing a X1300 pro for around $100 back in 2006-07 , eventually deciding to go with a "open box" X1600 pro from Newegg for roughly the same amount. I might have been able to get a better deal but I was limited to AGP 8x cards only, which sucked because the PCI-E counterparts of most cards were always a little cheaper or a little faster or both.
Lol I had one of these when I was 16, my grandpa gave me his hp desktop with a pentium 4 @2.8ghz and I put one of these x1300 pro in it,,, I was able to atleast play half life 2 ,,albeit around 30fps.
Back than only high end cards could hit 60 fps, budget cards just allowed you to run the game pretty much, because Intel igpu wouldn't even be able to start the game lots of times you needed a dedicated 3d card to just rub it at all.
Now you can easily hit 60 fps with contemporary " budget" cards like the 1650 or 1660...unheard of back in 2005 like I said. Was much more expensive to get in pc gaming from what I remember.
Wonder how a 4-pipe GPU from this time would work if it were die shrunk to a smaller process like 32nm, or even 14.
I'd be down for that
I have one of these cards. Might throw it in a system this week.
I like this channel
Go look at prices for the x1300 pro right now. Pci-e: 20$, AGP: 60 to 100$?!
nice comparison. I would only add that too bad X1300 doesn't support Win98 like the other two. That would make it really interesting option for late Win98 gaming :)
One thing would be a nice fragment is which was the best integrated video at the end of the nineties. Is it in 1997 or later? Ati, S3, Via Chrome or some other brand. On which platform, AMD, Intel, chipset Ati, Via, Ali or ...? Or is this to big for a one day video. Can ask this from RetroSpector78, because I know him. Maybe it's something for PhilsComputerLab, I really don't know, or for all of you in this GPU June.
It's a good idea but unfortunately I don't have any boards of the era with integrated graphics.
i loved the hell out of my x1650xt. 1300 on agp cant be 1/2 bad. for the times.
using a hd4670 in a rig i cobbled out of junk parts laying around. i think my motherboards got a bum ram slot.. seems to me when ever i have all slots populated. i get strange system freeze ups randomly at seemingly random points load no idle or in use just randomly end up with a frozen screen... so far so good no freezups using 3 slots... old ass am2 mobo..
@@homelessEh nvidia chipset mb?
@@oremarinkovic7925 it was deffinitly a bum stick of ram. but yeah them nforce burner chips i know bout them.
Interesting card, would make for a good all-rounder in a WinXP 32 build.
Pixel Fragment, I like it. More "here look at this cool thing" content.
I always wondered what a frame time graph would look like. I remember hating stutter back then. Seemed like there was no way to get rid of it
It would be great to see results of X1300 Pro @ 500/600 to see difference between 9600 XT on clock-to-clock basis. Otherwise, pretty neat to see those graphs.
9500 Pro has slight advantage in fillrate department, whereas 9600 XT has much higher memory bandwidth. To me that explains most of the results. If you were to drop the resolution to something like 640x480, I think 9500 Pro would take a lead over 9600 XT. HL2 and X1300 Pro result was a big surprise though!
Personally, I had 9600 back in the day. Swapped with my friend for 9550. He got faster card on stock, I gained 4ns memory chips (mine 9600 had 5ns chips). I managed to get ~515/500MHz (core/mem) on this thing after doing some overvolting. Managed to break 4000 barrier in 3DM05, so I landed in between 9600 Pro and XT.
i just picked up a real gem of a card sir! It's a sapphire radeon HD3850 AGP version for $40. I hear it's the fastest radeon agp card made....is that true? FYI i also replaced the thermal paste on it as it was also hard as a rock.
Hi! I have a X1600 Pro AGP with 512MB 128bit GDDR2. Do you think it's a good card for WinXP?
Yeah I'd say so. Depends on what you want to play and what settings, of course.
Nice format. I enjoy it. I wonder how is this card compared with a X700 Pro AGP
wonder how the 9800 pro would do vs. the x1300 pro
Looking at the performance of this card (I suppose you are using a pretty high end XP system) I wonder, once we start using XP instead of 98se do we still benefit from hardware and driver performance and compatibility benefits by using hardware that is somewhat "period correct"? (whatever these word really meant)
You should put your previous videos on oddysee or LBRY you would beat alot of the current retro channels on there.
Nice content but if I were you I would use a more period correct resolution. Those cards are midrange/low range from 2002/2003/2005: common resolution for that period and those cards are 1024*768.
Resolutions tested were 1024x768 and 1280x1024
Maybe an 256bit radeon 9800SE could win here with 4 pipe. Or a 9500 non pro with 256bit memory interface. But they are too rare.
I have a 9500 non pro but faulty:( Only works with Microsoft driver and do many visual bugs.
Ati rebranded x1600 to 1300 XT.
i have the X1550 512Mb AGP(
SAPPHIRE RADEON X1550 512MB DDR2 AGP ) and its my fav card on win-xp :D
What about X1650SE ?
And maybe S3 Chrome S27?
maybe you could keep scores of all the cards and show where they stand as you move through the cards..
Do I need to plug external power into it? I have one and it looks like it has a floppy drive power connector but I'm not sure
Yes externally powered
I do wonder what's the performance difference between the Radeon 9xxx and Radeon Xxxx cards, or even the Geforce FX cards when running games in DX8 vs DX9.
FX can play Team Fortress really well with proper 32bit drivers and 32bit OS with DX8 forced
Try
x1300pro vs Ti4600
I have an old computer about that I believe I used to have a 9700 pro in, but it now has a vacant AGP slot and is of no use to me. I've been looking around a bit for a cheap card to put in there without turning it into a complete potato, but the 9700 pro and similar cards are insanely expensive nowadays. I've seen a regular x1300 for sale though. On paper, it looks pretty much exactly the same as the pro version, just clocked lower, I think? Does anyone know how much of a difference there is? Somewhere in the middle of these results I guess?
6600GT's are a dime a dozen. And are a competent card.
@@wishusknight3009 Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for those as well.
What about cards like the FX5950? That is a 4 piped card.
That could be an interesting comparison!
Was that the fastest agp card ever made?
Oh hey, i have one of those CPUs. How did you overclock it to that point? What was your method to over clocking it so strongly?
My method was give it 1.52v and don't care a flip about Prime95 testing.
@@PixelPipes Ah, I see. Wish I could go that route, but, my experience has shown if I ignore Prime95 errors, instability follows _quickly_ thereafter.
Thıs ıs my last AGP card.
As i remember in time when 9600xt hit the market.... you cound get in same price 9700.... which was much better...
Again, in price of radeon 9600pro you could get 9500 pro which basically had performance like 9600XT so about -25% higher....
9600 series was crap and downgrade
My GPU has 6 copper pipes :)
..its 2022 russia is invading ukraine canadian gas is 2.00 a litre .... im installing aquamark to test out an ati x300 32mb card on a dell 5150.... lamenting the fact it didnt have the x600 it was came with. lol
Radeon 3850 was the fastest