UNSC Infinity vs First Order Star Destroyer | Halo vs Star Wars: Who Would Win
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- The UNSC's deadliest capital ship, the Infinity, versus the new Star Destroyer of the First Order - the Resurgent Battlecruiser. Halo vs Star Wars: which comes out on top?
For those who don't play Halo, the UNSC Infinity was the most powerful capital ship used by Humanity after the Human-Covenant war. It was upgraded with Covenant Technology and utilized very powerful Magnetic Accelerator Cannons, which could easily blow a hole in an enemy ship. Humanity also used nuclear weapons, including the frightening Nova Bomb.'
The First Order Star Destroyer, also known as the Resurgent Class Battlecruiser, is terrifying in its own right. This nearly 3km long vessel builds an upgrades from the typical Star Destroyer, including through the use of Kyber Crystals which improve its weaponry systems. We saw this ship in the Force Awakens, expect to see it in the Last Jedi, Star Wars Episode 9, and future media! - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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EckhartsLadder Also, people tend to forget that in the second animated series, the magnificent class frigates were able to completely deflect asteroids. These asteroids appeared to be slow moving and they pumped all the energy into their front deflector shields. But still, 50 years and a change from a frigate to whatever the resurgent class is, they have shown that those shields can deflect physical objects.
EckhartsLadder But I think you forgot that the covenant ships had shields as well and a mac cannon could still break through.
I am hoping for a Sharlin Warcrusier vs any Imp ship.
I'd like to see the Kelvin timeline USS Enterprise vs a Nebulon B Frigate.
Bruce Oates So, you want to see a slaughter.
Why send the UNSC's flagship after anything? Lmao, just deploy a legendary Jackal Sniper from Halo 2 and it'll kill all the pilots in a surprisingly short time.
*INTENSE SCREAMING* SNIPER FIRE. IN SPA-
F*ck that!
Aint no lie.
Nah just send it against star killer base and grab some popcorn and a powerful telescope.
😂😂😂😂
*infinity comes out of slipspace right next to the star destroyer and rams right through it*
Problem solved.
Wrong, The infinity has stronger shields.
@thegreeenbeast, and the Resurgent is about twice the size of a regular star destroyer, actually. I suspect the two of them colliding would destroy _both_ of them.
The Resurgent is probably made of Durasteel. Its used just stronger than regular steel, but weaker than the Infinity's titanium (I think) armor plating.
That's still like only 1/3 the Infinity's size
@Timmy Howard, One third? Where are you getting that? The Infinity may be almost twice as long as the Resurgent, but it's also narrower on average. In terms of overall volume, they're probably very close to a match.
*states that the UNCS infinity can destroy almost the whole reaper invasion in the mass effect video* BUT IT CANT DESTROY 1 SHIP?
Probably because Starwars ships would rip reapers apart too. Like, I'd expect a Victory to win against multiple reapers.
Exactly why I dont watch these videos if they involve star wars. He ALWAYS picks star wars no matter what. If he has to pick something else, its ALWAYS 40k, and the whole time hes going "but if the star wars faction does this then".
DomInator I think that’s because certain universes are dramatically more powerful. Star Wars has galaxy spanning armies and tech compared to Halo’s several star systems. Then 40k is just insane and is all powerful (Not a bad thing, they’re just written to be all powerful armies slamming into each other)
@@thefonz444 800 colonies=several star systems? M8 wot? It's not a matter of power gaps, that amount of force would decimate entire planets ecosystems in one shot, it would cause so much debris to be kicked up into the atmosphere the plant life would die out, its strong enough to damage a forerunner ship, but it cant hurt a star wars dreadnought, something not even close to forerunner ships? Come off it. He has a clear bias towards star wars, it's obvious to anyone who isnt fan boying.
@@thefonz444 Comparing anything from Star Wars to Halo is just stupid. Halo is sci-fi and has elements that are actually technologically possible while Star Wars isn't. Star Wars is purely fantasy. Halo is closer to a reality we could see within the next several 1,000's or 10,000's of years.
You are wrong about the MACs. The Infinity carries Series-8 Super MACs which hit much harder than Orbital Defense Platform Super MACs.
I don’t know where he got the weaker than Defense Platform from
Indeed. The Orbital MACs are only two kilometers long, in the infinity is 5.6 kilometers in length, you can literally fit MACs much larger than those used my the orbital platforms onboard.
@@greygalaxy8638
Not knowing much about the Halo-verse, how heavy was each 'shell' the Infinity can fire, at what 'muzzle' velocity ...?
Reason for asking ...? Basic physics: F = ma
@@nigelft an ODP fires 3000 ton tungsten rounds at 12,000km per second. The series 8 Mac fires 27 meter bore diameter rounds of various sizes depending on necessity and is arguably more powerful than an ODP
"Much" harder, the Earth's Super MACs couldn't do anything to the mantle's approach and considering that covenant ships are made of nanocarbon (which it stated on halo wiki), the infinity rammed through a covenant ship, easily. And its armor is around 4 or more meters thick of titanium, meaning it can take heavy hits, though it could render it immobile if hit hard enough it would not be out of the fight
I think that as soon as the battle started the infinity wood just fire 2 MACs strait through the "destroyer," completely obliterating it
Correction six actually but counting the strident class destroyers so maybe 12 macs that is a lot and the turrets it is hard to believe that a star destroyer would win because long swords are a little but more flexible and they also have vultures hornets falcons (falcons are not meant for space combat) and other ships and spartans would actually do something because they have shields and do have forruner covenant weapons onboard the infinity so they can use those and they do have spnkr’s witch is a rocket launcher and they also have railguns so I would say the infinity would win also long swords carry shieva class nukes so yeah that is my reasonning
And like what the 8 other series 8 macs on the infinity
The hell is hell like math is confusing ? Bruh those macs on the infinity are like way stronger than normal macs two macs that shoot at the same time will punch a hole right through the star destroyer
Meta is lit I know the infinity has s macs but it also has series 8 macs as well for fire power and it also has 2 other s-macs on the sides
The infinity has 4-6 MAC cannons.
Strident class frigates have 1 MAC cannon.
THATS 14-16 MAC CANNONS!!!!
Actually dude, we DO know how powerful the main MACs on Infinity are. They're essentially SMAC cannons strapped onto a ship. 4 of them. And those things one shot even Covenant Assault Carriers, which are more massive than the Finalizer. Also, while it pains me to admit this, Disney Canon has Imperial Starships far less powerful than they once were. You were quoting legends material.
In legends the power was really high and echaladder even says that and there are new books withcaculatiins
Toxic CZcams and u said there was no difference so ur agree with me and proving ur own statement incorrect
The Infinitys MACs are way more powerful than the SMACs of the ODP array as seen in the final battle with the Mantle's Approach at the end of halo 4
A 3,000 ton tungsten slug accelerated to 4% the speed of light.
If the shield could absorb the kinetic energy of that, I assume that the resulting heat would probably melt a good portion of the ship’s hull and basically weld everyone inside, if not outright destroy it.
they dont have powerful shields
I know I'm a year late but I love me some physics so here we go.
As far as I and all the Halo-pedia's know, there are no canon numbers for the power of the CR-03 Series 8 Magnetic Accelerator Cannon, of which the UNSC Infinity had 4 (2 in the bow and 1 on each side.) However, we can make an educated guess based on the events of Halo 4 by scaling up the power of the Mark V "Super Mac" Cannons in Earth's orbital defense stations.
Each Mark V MAC fires a 3000 metric ton ferro-titanium slug at .04 c, or 12 MILLION meters per second. If we calculate the kinetic energy using the formula K=mv^2, we find that K=(6,000,000 kilograms)(12,000,000 meters/second)^2 = 864,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules, or 8.64 × 10^20 joules if you don't like typing dozens of zeros. This number is massive already, but we have to consider that DOZENS of Mark V MACs fired upon the Mantle's Approach and failed to even bring down its shields. Thus, the dual Series 8 MACs on the UNSC Infinity must posess at least an order of magnitude more energy than the Mark Vs (meaning at least 10 times the kinetic energy.)
Thus, using the aforementioned number for the Mark V, and assuming a range of 100-1000 times the energy for the dual series 8 (remember, at least 10 orbital platforms fired so the Series 8 must be 10-100 times more powerful,) we get a range between 8.64 × 10^22 Joules and 8.64 × 10^23 Joules. Numbers this massive are meaningless, so lets break it down in layman's terms.
The dual shot from the Series 8 MACs are equal to:
1. An explosive blast equal to between 400,000 and 4 million of the largest nuclear bomb ever detonated
2. 100-1000 times more energy than all of humanity uses in a year
3. Between 300,000 and 3 million times the power of a turbolaser.
4. About 1/10000th the energy of the Death Star Superlaser.
I couldn't find any numbers for the strength of the FOSD, but I'd wager that there aren't many ships in the Star Wars Universe that could take 300,000 turbolaser blasts at a single point in a fraction of a second.
Yeah,... Sorry StarWars fanbois, but if asteroids are giving you trouble, then a 27m slug fired at .04c is going clean through your ISD, shields and all. Preferably through the main reactor, or along the long axis for maximum damage. And unlike in StarWars, where nothing is properly automated ('cause they feared the AI revolution, or some shit like that), UNSC ships have at least "dumb" AI that can run an entire ship themselves if need be, and the Force help you if the UNSC ship has a smart AI.
I love it thanks
Ryan Chatham don’t forget about the 10 frigates that would be shooting at it as well
This would be considered a rather high end calculation, since you're assuming that each successive MAC variant is >10 times more powerful than the previous, rather than the incremental improvements that would be more likely. You're also failing to account for shield depletion- The Infinity wasn't exactly starting from scratch when it fired on the Approach, the ship in question had been under bombardment by Home Fleet AND the defense grid. And finally, if you're going to use a high end calculation like that, I'd like to remind you that the "300 Gigaton per bolt" figure he gave was for the guns of a planetary assault ship- A lander, not a Ship of the Line, such as the Venator, Imperials, or Resurgent, which all mount much larger, more potent weapons. Alongside that, if we're going to go high end, and as such include the 300Gt figure, I'd also remind you that star wars Imperial warships are expected to take an extended bombardment by those same weapons for several minutes barring ion weapons, which the UNSC doesn't have anything near as potent for EMP uses.
Gee willickers, it's almost as if they've had to deal with droid rebellions before, and the UNSC hasn't. Not just that, but they also had to deal with rampant droids, or ancient droids locked in their programming, or any slew of stuff. A droid that turns off its strength limitations can rip an organic in half, I'd like to remind you. Also, Starwars has precognition and force powers and data spikes specifically designed to destroy AI, which I think trumps the smart-AI thing, nevermind stuff like ion weapons which short circuit an entire warship regardless of EMP hardening.
"Sir, the enemy ship is laun... ching... Those... Aren't... Fighters... Those are not fighters at all."
"Ar- ARE THOSE FRIGATES?!"
I am pretty pro star wars, but Damm this comment. This is just beautiful.
@@mrbuttocks6772 more like corvettes, star wars doesnt use frigates
@@Bazzable Nebulon-b class frigate
@@RileyDasher2324
*often.
The Infinity has a Series-8 "Super-Heavy MAC"
Halo Wikia:
Only seen on board UNSC Infinity, the CR-08 Series-8 MAC fires an ultra-dense projectile at a fraction of the speed of light and is capable of creating terrestrial craters several miles wide. The shock-wave generated is powerful enough to knock in-atmosphere star ships out of the air. Its exo-atmospheric combat capabilities were shown when the UNSC Infinity managed to use the Series-8 to puncture the Mantle's Approach's hull.
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The Series 8 is said to be more powerful than the MACs used on the Orbital Defence Platforms mostly because of Infinity's Forerunner Core. Remember that the forerunner ship that powered High Charity was not running at maximum energy output since it powered something the size of the Death Star for well over 3000 years without refuelling. The UNSC infinity has a powerplant that could easily power a few planets. UNSC Infinity also had forerunner shields which were immensely powerful and can stand up to multiple MAC blasts (possibly even surviving a glassing). Turbolasers wouldn't be able to penetrate Infinity's shields.
Secondly although TIE fighters are manoeuvrable they won't be able to do much to the Infinity or it's escort fleet. They might be able to fly against Pelicans and Broadswords but the fighter itself is not well armoured and the Spartan Laser is a thing and is basically a handheld Turbolaser. A few dozen marines with spartan lasers standing on the hull would be able to make mincemeat of TIE fighters.
But there's one big difference between First Order ships and the Infinity and that is the problem of range.
In space range is the ultimate equalizer, since there are no obstacles or terrain to get in the way the farther out you can attack from the better you are. Star Wars ships are notorious for having a very short engagement range (only a few hundred kilometers after which the turbolasers seem to disperse) But the Infinity has MACs which would (in real life) continue on their trajectory indefinitely. This gives Infinity a range advantage that the Star Destroyers don't have. Given an optimal battle UNSC Infinity could have multiple mac shells impact the Star destroyer before it ever got within the Resurgent's range. Also Spartan and ODST boarding parties would decimate the Stormtroopers since their armour is not designed to protect against slug throwers. Furthermore a single A wing crashing into the bridge of a star destroyer is enough to take it out the Infinity's guns are alot more massive and much faster than an A wing.
How would the battle go?
UNSC Infinity enters orbit and finds a Resurgent Class Star Destroyer the Vengeance.
The Vengeance, seeing an unknown ship launches it's complement of TIE fighters and begins attacking and tries to close the gap.
Infinity fires her MACs at the Vengeance and her point defense system as well as railguns and anti-air missiles in defense. Infinity sends out her Strident Class frigates for more firepower and prepares Spartan IV boarding teams. Infinity's MACs slam into the Vengeance with the force of a 60 gigaton bomb as Vengeance tries to move within gun range. The Mac bombardment continues as missiles are exchanged.
The Tie fighters have no effect on the infinity and her escort. The TIEs are ripped apart by the railgun fire from the Onagers as well as from Marines with Spartan Lasers on the hull of Infinity and the defensive armament of the Strident Frigates. As the Tie fighters are dealt with Infinity sends out her Pelicans and Braodswords to begin boarding in order to seize the Vengeance.
Vengeance after withstanding multiple bombardments and with her shields down finally gets within firing range. Infinity and Vengeance begin trading blows and a Strident Class frigate takes out Vengeance's Shield Generator with it's MAC but gets caught in a barrage of Turbolaser fire and is destroyed.
3 Stridents move in towards Vengeance as Infinity forces the Vengeance to concentrate all it's firepower on her. The other Frigates have disappeared somewhere. Infinity's Boarding teams breach the Vengeance's hangers after using the first Strident as cover. Rockets fly and guns blaze as the Pelicans offload Warthogs and Spartans as well as Gungooses, Mantises, and Scorpions.
Infinity has been boarded by teams of Stormtroopers however the stormtroopers are faced with heavy ballistic (slugthrower) fire and are mowed down quickly. Infinity sustains damage to her Hanger Bays.
Spartan boarding teams make short work of the stormtroopers and a mech duel between a walker and a Mantis happens. A spartan plants a grenade on the First Order walker and it blows up. All the Spartans get into vehicles and begin driving them down the corridors running over any human they come across. A Scorpion tank destroys the barricaded doors as gungooses lay waste to First Order troops. After exhausting their Ammo the Spartans begin picking up their enemy's weapons. Realizing that the blasters are terribly inaccurate the Spartans proceed to simply drive warthogs into more stormtroopers. The Spartans fight their way to the turbolasers and generally wreak havoc taking the turbolasers offline. Another team fights to get to the reactor room and plants a Havoc nuke.
The Spartans leave the Vengeance.
6 Stridents appear behind the Vengeance and fire MACs at the Star destroyer's engines. The HAVOC detonates and destroys the Vengeance.
Or
Infinity enters Slipspace directly beside the Vengeance tearing it in two.
Well done you sir have done a lot of research
inventor121 the scinario is uber detailed, good and all but it does have multiple gaps that make the vengence able to win. i can make a counter scinario myself if youd like.
inventor121 i was thinking how halos weapons are far more powerful than the video lets on. and no mention of shields for infinity. range determines victor as infinity just has to stay out of range and lay into it. had it been fleets vs halo wins by a lot, since the largest fleet assembled(according to canon) was the battle of endor, with some ~50 imperial ships. while in halo the covenant attacks harvest with 750 ships, and most human fleets engaged with several hundred as well.
Tyler pantaleo thats because the empire was so big. The empire controlled 1000s of sectors, and one sector is fifty solar systems. Each sector fleet had like twenty or so ships patrolling it. Aside from the empire having 10s of 1000s(25000-50000+) of star destroyers its likely they had a million other warships to patrol their territory. The covenant had 9000+ warships, and i expect the UNSC to have more or less. In a full on mobilized war the empire would be able to pump out massive fleets larger than both factions combined
MyDuck IsOnQauck thats true as a fan of both, itd be interesting to see a definite at some point but humanity had 800+ planets under it belt and i dont know the fleet size of it either but its only like 16 sectors. it would be a large battle of attrition in the end between these universes. equal numbers= halo, current numbers= star wars.
You forgot one thing. One huge reason why Halo's Infinity would win.
Star destroyers are piloted by storm troopers.
Defective you fine sir are a genius
no their not
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''I just think again overall, that Star Wars is at higher level of technology and power, than Halo is.''
Forerunners: *FBI OPEN UP*
Ebim ;D u forgot the precursor ;)
Hhmmmm. I dont think so. Both are nearly the same. However. However I'm not sure where hard light tech fits in
@@S22SgtMax Boi they are not the same at all. Forerunners in their prime were WH40k levels of overpowered
Well, when you add the forerunners and precursors. Yeah.
But the forerunners do not represent the overall level of tech in the galaxy...covenant would compare better to sw tech but the majority of the unsc does not have the kind of tech seen on the infinity so it's a very accurate statement, even if it shouldn't apply in this particular matchup.
Can you explain how the shields of a Resurgent would be able to absorb firepower that was able to harm a Forerunner ship?
Halo is in the Far future ... Starwars was a long time ago ... The empire were the forerunners?
There set in different universes
@@kyodairiker r/woooosh
He probably used the BS legends numbers for Star Wars.
@@yuvrajshah1158 Legends numbers for a Disney Canon ship, seems legit.
Hmm... Since this is Disney canon ship using Legend info doesn't mesh well. EU writers say megaton or gigaton not knowing it doesn't reflect visuals.
Exactly.
and even worse, Halo has better feats for their engagements compared to the new disney canon
Don't really know other than covenant is purple and unsc is green and their ships are shaped like hotdogs
I would rename Infinity to be something like "Covenant Fister"
Doom Slayer vs Covenant Fister...
I'm laughing harder than I should
F@CKING LLLOOOOOOLLL HAHAHAHAHA BEST NAME EVER OF ALL TIME I WOULD GLADLY SERVE ON THAT SHIP XD
Lol!
Or something like "Humanity rules bitch class"
Or the “all to easy” is a good name
I feel like the second part is very one-sided. Most covenant weapon platforms & ships are direct contact energy weapon systems meaning that they are practically a beam of plasma. This is not that far away from the power of a canon on the StarWars battle cruiser. As well as show in an earlier clip infinity shields have the capability to bowl through ships and instantly destroy them. The star wars battle cruiser is not even half the size of the infinity and in comparison, he shields of infinity are more than strong enough to go through multiple if not 20-star wars cruisers due to the sheer size and forerunner technology. As well as if Spartans were access to the ship the battle would be lost as Spartan armour uses reactive shielding that disables electromagnetic and energised weapons from penetrating it and stormtrooper armour is not designed to hold high-velocity rounds out of UNSC firearms. It is simple the resources that the UNSC infinity brings to the fight are meer to overwhelming for any StarWars battle cruiser or battle group for that matter. The UNSC infinity would simply destroy the ship. I'm not going to go further with it into ODST's, the Strident class heavy cruisers and dropping them through the top of the ship or even the overwhelming capacity of fighters infinity has. UNSC Infinity would win. Like if you agree.
TMI
No
@@enclavegeneral2077 Yes
it definitely wins,you dont even have to shoot a laser,hust go through it
Don't underestimate Spartans getting on that ship and blowing it up.
The UNSC are experts in taking down superior ships. They were forced to do so for decades after all. Also if they have Master Chief onboard they win :-).
Alan Plint the keys manouver
in addition UNSC fleet has many battle tactics including pack wolf and others
you realise that one of the covenant ships destroyed like 2 dozen unsc ships in the war
@@scimitar8240 - And yet the UNSC manged to destroy several Covenant ships. My point still stands.
Just a few things I need to point out.
TIE Fighters would win if they closed to within combat distance. Their weapons are short ranged laser cannons whereas UNSC ships have missiles. Those missiles can be fired from well out of range of the TIE Fighter's Laser cannons and within range of the Infinity's protective bubble.
Slipspace. The Infinity is equipped with a Slipspace drive capable of highly accurate jumps within system. The Resurgence is equipped with a Hyperdrive. Hyperdrives aren't as accurate when it comes to jumps and well can't effective be used for an in system jump. Thrawn worked around this by having his ships perform a hyperspace jump and having his interdicters drag then ships out of hyperspace in a specific location, the Resurgence can't do this. Thus, the Infinity can run circles around the resurgence, conducting Slipspace jumps to emerge at angles where the battlecruiser is blind or less heavily armed or even just to jump further out of range of the Resurgence's guns.
Range. Turbolaser bolts have a speed of around 2km/s (Yes I've seen theories of the Turbolaser being an invisible bolt that travels at light speed and that but I've dismissed them for this, because if we start saying Star Wars have invisible shit in order to compensate for the fact its not a Science Fiction but a Space Fantasy, it just destroys Star Wars' own flair, its better being a good Space Fantasy than a Bad Science fiction.) The Infinity's MAC round travels at, at least .30km/s, most likely anywhere between 30km/s and 12 000km/s given its capabilities. This gives the Infinity a massive edge in range, as speed equals range in space, your weapon's range is the furthest away a target can be where it won't have the time to react your weapon. Of course, this differs between the target, giving the Infinity another edge as Star Wars Ships are sluggish and take much longer to react than the Infinity, which is seen as rather nimble for its size and has a Slipspace drive.
Now, as for the point on shields. Star Wars ships can protect against Energy and Physical attacks, yes, but requires the conscious decision to turn on the right type of shields. Now, in Star Wars, projectile weapons are considered vastly inferior, completely obsolete and rather primitive to the majority of people. So Unless the Captain of this Resurgence is a Mandalorian Supercommando who enjoys using Projectile weapons because they makes Jedi look like silly idiots, I doubt he will have the slightest sense to turn on his Particle shields, instead keeping Ray shields on at full power. He may have super magic sensors that tell him the exact specification of the Infinity's weapons but if the Infinity just entered combat range, scanning it will take time and the Infinity will have already fired four super heavy slugs towards your rather vulnerable ship. Star Wars ships have great shielding, but rather poor hulls and those four MAC rounds will tear through the Battlecruiser like a hot knife through butter. The Battle will be over before the Resurgence can even fire a shot of its three hundred or so gigaton capable weapon systems (ICS Calcs ftw?), and if its not, well the Infinity and its 10 Stridents just kite the Battlecruiser until it blows up.
The only chance I see for the Resurgence to win would be just proliferate the space around the Infinity with layers upon layers of Turbolasers to remove the capability of evasion, afterall a single shot can shatter the shields and cause some significant damage, at least according to ICS Calcs... But then theres the question of whether it can do that at the range the Infinity can fire its MACs, as I'm sure Lasky would likely see that the enemy's weapons don't have the speed to reliably hit them at the ranges he can them and would react accordingly.
Oh And I'd recommend covering this again after Halo Warfleets is out, since its being worked on by someone who did ICS... OP Halo ships, here we come?... Like seriously though, range of 8 light minutes for a Turbolaser, quite the joke sir, I don't recall Turbolasers being able to move faster than light.
Thraxus exactly bro long swords have missiles they kill tie fighters the ten frigates can pepper the shields plus the nukes they’d be firing old how the resurgence would win
Devlin Ware ties have missels to
Where do they have missiles I’ve never seen them use any in the movies Wendy
"I'm not sure how effective Spartans would be."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. How many entire fleets have just 1 spartan decimated?
"Over four hundred ships sir"
All fleet form Halo 123 and 4, all of them xD
@Gap Not much Thrawn can do when he's being riddled with holes from the boarding teams, but sure. Whatever you say.
Besides, Thrawn got taken out by a teenager and a tentacle hentai monster.
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The infinity mac are more powerful than the weapons platforms as the defense platforms couldnt breach the didects shield and the infinitys mac's did
"spartans wont do much onboard." yeah... not like *one* won a damn war against a superior army with numbers in the trillions
I was like "yeah storm troopers would do some damage, at least spartans can hit their targets"
A Spartan one did. I don’t think the UNSC infinity carries Spartan ones. Probs Spartan fours or something. They’re still powerful, don’t get me wrong, but it would take a fair amount of them to destroy a large ship.
@@gabbisan360 do you mean spartan IIs?
@@icrashedyourcar328 no. I meant Spartan fours, I’m pretty sure that’s what they carried.
@@gabbisan360 im talking about the ones you said infinity DOESNT carry.
Did you take into account the way that the Destroyer would react to actually receiving those MAC blasts? Because the *ship* absorbing the hit is one thing, but even Covenant vessels react to the physical shock of it if their shields are low. Which has to be borne in mind, because the shielding method is different for Star Wars vessels. They dissipate damage differently, which is why solid objects can be.. problematic for them, asteroids for example.
I personally think that the Stridents could cripple the Destroyer by pelting it with MAC shots all on their own.
Then we have the fighters to talk about. Now, Longswords - I am fairly sure - are shielded. TIEs aren't. They're also supremacy fighters, like the TIE Interceptors and Defenders, but fielded in numbers like normal TIEs, meaning that for all the salt that the TIEs can bring, the Longswords can outpace them. These fighters would also function with the support of the Infinity herself, under the guiding hand of a full AI, meaning point defense cannons would be fighting off the fighters as quickly and easily as the fighters.
Next is the intangibles, as you call them. Namely, history. The UNSC has spent decades finding ways to fight ships that could ignore whole volumes of their attacks, including ones that nullify MACs entirely ala the Covenant Super Carriers. THis means that the instant that one Strident's MAC was deflected, they would assume a surrounding formation, attempt to close in, and unleash Longswords as a screen for Pelicans, loaded with Marines and Spartans. Now, Star Wars *shields* may be able to stop kinetic rounds, but Stormtrooper armor isn't designed to. Bullets mostly ignore it, and that's what a Marine and Spartan will have. Meaning when they board - see above points about the fighter battle - which the will, they will unleash holy hell on the Destroyer. Even assuming they can't win the fight, the UNSC is just fine with using det charges to cripple weapons and other subsystems.
I think in this fight you didn't take into account the ways that Star Wars and Halo do battle as well. In Star Wars, ships seem to generally adhere to an axis, hence the wedge shapes of Destroyers and more, going all the way back to the Vindicator and Acclamator ships. Whereas in Halo, almost every fight is a three dimensional one, meaning at least two Stridents would likely be *below* the Destroyer, firing into its belly and unleashing flak at its hangars, mitigating the fighter support once more.
And at the end of the day, nothing the Destroyer has could stop the Infinity or a Strident from just ramming the fucker, as in Rogue One with the Hammerhead. The difference here is that a Strident is far larger, and may go through the Destroyer.
Now don't get me wrong, if the Stridents and Infinity line up as is the wont of Star Wars fights and try to line battle it, they lose. However, the UNSC simply doesn't do that. WHen they decide to go in for the brawl, or board, or surround it, or hell, just lob ODST pods into it? Game over.
Ozpin Cane spot on
Ozpin Cane but the stardestroyers weapons are just so overwhelmingly powerfull i doubt that any major battleplan change can even be put to action before the ships get vaporised.
How powerful? One shotting a UNSC ship powerful levels? They're used to it. A UNSC fight plan usually consists of screening your line precisely because you need to sacrifice smaller ships to prevent the Covenant eliminating your Admiral's ship.
The idea that the Destroyer is far more powerful means that this would be *a normal fight* for the Infinity's crew of the best Marines, pilots, engineers and so on in the entire UNSC after 50 or so years of nigh nonstop warfare against a race that is capable across the board of handling this sort of fight.
Technology is a huge advantage. But tactics? Those win battles. And the UNSC has the tactics for exactly this sort of fight.
ilmevavi As he mentioned shielding methods are different for both ships, so wether or not the resurgent can deal the damage the infinity will absorb it until the Shields fail. the damage of the star destroyer is reletive only to the star wars universe as a gigajule or what ever it is called is a made up unit of measurement.
I also have to agree with Ozpin's analysis, this battle completely ignored navel doctrines...and assumed they would fight the same way...
But another thing i would factor in that Ozpin failed to factor in is the range...Ilmevavi is right that star wars weapons are incredible destructive, but failed to mention the fact that they are incredible inaccurate, depending on volume fire to get any sort of hits in, and has significantly limited range...far too limited to actually engage any UNSC ships unless they are Knife edge range...(really close)
You need to take into account that the millennium falcon was able to take multiple hits from star destroyer turbo lasers, even the TIE fighter they escape in during The Force Awakens that doesn't have any shields was able to take a few hits. From what we've seen in the movies turbo lasers would have trouble killing a mouse let alone a capital ship.
Turbo lasers should be treated the same as Covenant pulse lasers.
Timmy Howard tru
That, my friend, is the super shield called plot armor. Not even the Halo rings can destroy something if it has plot armor.
Halo rings dont destroy things they kill smart stuff.
rigglesnz it's called PLOT ARMOR
I feel like this is a meaningless comparison. Star Wars numbers vary so wildly that, like the turbolaser power that you dismiss early on, no numbers can be trusted. Star Wars has never bothered to worry about internal consistency, and as a result, shields and weapons are generally "however strong they need to be to achieve the plot."
Spartans: Spaceship hull-grade armor
Stormtroopers: plastic? painted ceramic???
Me: Flextape armor
I win.
The flexening.
I respect your armor Lily Shang
It's not flextape it's duct tape LOL
Now thats a lot of *DAMAGE*
Flex tape #1 armor
spartan armor is tipacly fitted with over shields, the storm trooper armour is meant to deflect laser bolts not a .45 to the face
actually if you are referring to the magnum it is 50 caliber incendiary armor piercing full metal jacket round, if you are referring to the battle rifle it would be 7.62 full metal jacket incendiary armor piercing rounds lol.
Killer kawaii typically**
Thyre Radim I thought battle rifle was 9.3mm?
+kpmh2001, that is the heavy battle rifle from halo 3 and after lol (they have different variants of everything lol like the assault rifle from combat evolved is different than the one in reach and 4 lols and it's 9.5mm and it's the heavy variant.)
Killer kawaii Or a punch that has the striking power of a .50 caliber bullet
6:37 No, not at all. The Forerunners make the Galactic Empire look like cavemen.
Willem D True that
I agree with that, but I think he meant the power level at the moment the story take place, not what have been earlier in respective universe.
Death star/starkiller base = destroys planets, The rings = destroys all life in the galaxy. I think i agree with you.
if their was a video about Halo series against any other series Halo comes out on top with suicidal rings lol
Dobbsy but they couldn't really direct it soo but you do have a good point
I respectfully disagree with you. Just no.
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Halo three, my favorite moment was when the shipmaster said, Random Elite - "Shipmaster they outnumber us three to one" Shipmaster - "it is an even fight then"
soooooo Who here demands a redo of this match up?
Alexiel Black Definitely
indeed
agreed i see the infinity as having a much better trained crew also those macs are stronger than you think. he says it has 4 but only counts the blast damage of 1. 4 all at once can cuse major stress on shields plus turbo lasers are strong but range is not there strong point those macs have the range plus experience of the captains is something i would be taking into play
+seanking59 i agree plus the infinity has tactical superiority over the resurgence. the captain would deploy his 10 heavy frigates in order to divide up their firepower and reduce their overall effectiveness while maintaining their own
Ok so what does almost every star wars movie start with LONG AGO in a galaxy far far away Long ago so that would mean that that tec is outdated
Wow you are seriously downplaying The Infinitie's fire power and upping the Star Destroyers defenses.
The infinity has tech from the Forerunners, who make any race in Star Wars seem petite and pathetic in terms of technology. It literally punched a hole through the Ur-Didact's Flashship, nearly 150 kilometers long.
A btw, a 3000 ton shell traveling at more than 4% the speed of light is going to have WAYYYY more energy to it than any lazer aboard a Star Destroyer.
nicolae cutzarida something that heavy and that fast would pulverize anything it hits if it has weak/no shielding or if a lot of those shells hit.
Even if it has shielding, Avery Johnson estimated that the series 5 super MAC rounds, the ones on the orbital platforms (The ones who fire a shot so powerful it pierces 2 heavy ships with shielding and guts a thrid), he theorized that if a ship's armor or shields were to absorb all the kinetic energy of a super MAC round, the release of thermodynamic energy would still vaporize the ship.
The Infinity has 4 frontal Series 8 Super MACs. Stronger than the series 5, and can fire a round every 5 seconds.
How are we even discussing this matchup? The Tech used by the infinity is far superior and more powerful.
Just because they are using ballistics instead of lazers like the star destroyer dosent mean the later is more technologically advanced.
nicolae cutzarida holy fuck...
MAC shells weigh 3000 tons?
@Dalton Carbino
Yes; they are launched through magnetically accelerating barrels, where they approach a fraction of the speed of light. I cannot see a single way in which this particular video is accurate, as there is no way any SW ship, let alone their shields could ever possibly withstand such a massive amount of damage
nicolae cutzarida for fairness sake I thought that I would mention that ships in star wars can travel the speed of light meaning that if it rammed into anything it would be destroyed along with itself. So basically weaponry and shielding are pointless on a ship if the enemy is willing to sacrifice a single ship to destroy a single enemy ship and anything caught in the immediate vicinity. This means even a ship as small as the millennium falcon could destroy the infinity or any other ship/planet at the cost of being destroyed itself.
Infinity should just ram the star destroyer
@@theHoldac The Forerunner shields would easily withstand the impact, I'm willing to bet the Infinity could ram a CSO without taking ANY damage would be pointless and do nothing to it but it would show just how much of a fucking machine it is when it comes to actual ramming
@@theHoldac Yeah no, what would happen is it would jump in and tear it in half. Forerunner shields are next to invincible. If that doesent work, just snipe it with the 4 frontal MAC cannons and annihilate its entire hull.
Azaruan Mapping & Gaming “snipe it with its 4 MAC cannons”
that’s cute, an average star wars turbolaser has 200 gigatons of force.. a MAC cannon has 51 gigatons of force. That means that 4 mac cannons = one turbolaser.. oh and also, a Resurgant class SD has 1500 turbolasers..good luck humans. It’ll get shredded before it even reaches the SD.
@@theHoldac Yeah those numbers are bs and never have been shown so it doesn't count.
Colm Moody “never have been shown” Have you heard of SW EU? Lol dumb fuck
If a squad of Spartans manages to board the First Order destroyer, it would be 100% SCREWED.
If Darth Vader could bored the UNCS’s ship, it would be 100% SCREWED.
@@linewater2690 guy this isn’t necessarily Vader’s ship however there are Spartans on infinity without a doubt. One person can’t be everywhere all the time and Spartans are.
Considering this was built after Vader died...
The description says it was upgraded with "covenant technology" but it was actually forerunner tech. It has a forerunner slip space drive and fusion reactor. And has 2 aft energy lances. And a series 8 MAC(800 tons) has atmospheric capabilities too. It's. Bad ass.
earl edwards Not only that hit the MAC round alone weighs 3000 tons.
and creates a crater several kilometers wide on a planetary surface
And the Infinity was able to put a hole in the Didact's personal ship
I think a real question is just how much destruction can a battalion of highly trained, heavily armored, superior fighting capability spartans do once on-board a SD. My guess, they would kill and destroy anyone and anything the First Order had on that ship less than a Sith Lord. There's no way generic stormtroopers could go toe-to-toe with special forces Spartan IV.
funkeymanx the Infiniti would have an easy fight against the destroyer but to be honest I don't think sabres would even get close to it and if sabres wouldn't, then pelicans and the Spartans on them would just be canon fodder
Not a Fgt the SD turbo lasers are numerous but have a low rate of fire and have a difficult targeting fast moving targets. Numbers and probability are what is needed for success.
guys you forget even with only 1 gun apiece (or there abouts) I think 12 pelicans piloted by spartans could definitely destroy the entire tie fighter contingent cause lets face it without shields ties are fucked, cause it only takes 1 shot and it's a spartan.
funkeymanx Those spartans won't make it to even reach the Star Destroyer, due to the hundreds of turbolasers, ion cannons and misiles firing toward them. That Star Destroyer has enough weaponery to handle that transport fragates and the main ship.
umm....fuck no, you have to remember chief carried a bomb through space in the invasion of earth to blow up a single ship, and chief can fly like a bitch.
So, a few things I want to say:
First, You're comparing a Energy-Beam Particle Weapon against a Plasma-Pulse Cannon type. The powerlevels involved a far different from one another in this case. While the Turbolaser can do some serious damage it's energy output is nowhere near the damage a continuous beam of energized particles can do. As such using the feat of a Glassing Cannon as a parallel to what a Resurgent-class Battlecruiser would do isn't at all adequate.
As for the MACs, it should be mentioned that one of the most effective Ground-to-Space defense weapons in Legends is the Mass-Driver weapon known as a Hypervelocity Cannon, which fires a barrage of high-velocity projectiles into space that can take down a ISD2 in one barrage. The cannons on the Infinity are most likely a lot stronger than that weapon and it is unlikely that the Resurgence would fare much better than an ISD2 against a Hypervelocity Cannon, as that weapon could break the shields of an ISD2 and destroy it with the same barrage. Perhaps it wouldn't get destroyed, but it would most likely cripple the ship or at least deplete it's Particle Shields.
And for the defenses of the Infinity, didn't you just show a clip of the Infinity blowing through a large Covenant warship with it's shields not breaking?
The infinity has MAC cannons stronger than super MAC platforms. At the least the platforms used during the defense of earth.
Hold on, you said that the Spartans wouldn't stand much of a chance against the soldiers on board the ISD?
Okay, I listened to everything up to that point but that statement really invalidated the rest of the video for me. Theres some really heavy bias for star wars in the tech department here.
Sichunter95 ikr? spartans are modified supersoldiers, they would just go around snapping necks. if the spartan 2s were still around, oh, the first order army would be done.
I would say the amount of bias is stupidly large, but this is a star wars channel, so i'm not really surprised he didn't do his research.
in lore, Spartans are known to regularly dodge plasma fire to the point of never getting hit. Plasma fire is also superheated matter, to which the spartan suits are actively built to protect against. If the blasters are even comparable to plasma weapons, I doubt they would be able to best the plasma weapons.
Then there's the shields on the spartans, as well as the infinity - the tech of both come from civilizations that vastly outclass that of everything starwars has to offer, including their lightsabers. The only threat of the starwars universe that I could say is actually real, would have to come from The Force, which due to the vague guidelines set to its existence, it appears to be able to accomplish anything and everything, should enough effort be implemented, or should the ties to the force be strong enough. With this, they could crush any ship, or simply slam them into planets, ALA Starkiller style.
Nothing else bares even a threat the the infinity when it comes to a 1-1 battle, with the exception of StarWar's superweapons.
actually according to star wars lore the force can't affect things from other galaxies so force is fucked.
oh yeah, I forgot about that... at least, when it comes to individuals, anyway (in reference to that one civilization of 'evil warlords' from beyond the galaxy, that was largely immune to the force, with the exception of their surroundings)
Infinity would win hands down. Star Destroyer maximum range is maybe about 1,000 km. While the range of a standard MAC is around 16,000km. Given some rough calculations. The isd could close in about 6 and 1/2 minutes. An ODP can recharge and reload as fast as 5 seconds. So Im going to give the frigates a 1min recharge and reload rate and the Infinity 30 seconds. As the 5seconds is still during war and these ships are post war with much better tech. The 10 frigates would be able to get off 60 MAC shots off before the isd(Im still referring to resurgence when I say isd, its just faster to type) could get in range. The Infinity could fire 26 times. And the Infinity's MAC are far superior to that of the Frigates. It also has 10 Mark 2551 MAC guns, while severely less powerful than the main MACs were still able to go right through a Covenant ship. They probably have a range of a couple thousand km. And the recharge is only a couple seconds as we know from using the same type at the end of Halo Reach. So those 10 MAC guns could get off hundreds of shots. This is all before the isd can even respond. The strident frigates have Mark lV Heavy Coil MACS, considerably more powerful than the standard MAC that gives 64kilotons a shot. Im going to say minimum 200 kilotons per shot. That's 12 megatons raining down on the isd's shields. And thats on the low side of the Strident MACs in terms of power Im giving them. ODPs are what, about 50 something gigatons. Id say the Series 8 MAC Cannons of the Infinity have to be at least on par with if not more powerful that than that considering the ODPs could do nothing to the Mantle's Approach but the Infinity blew a hole through the hull. And the Mantle's Approach made both Death Stars look small. So lets say about 60gigatons for that. That's 1.38 teratons blasting at the isd. Lets say the Mark 2551 MAC guns are about half of a standard MAC. That's 32kilotons. Say they fire every ten seconds and their range is 1/3 of the others. That gives them about 2 minutes to fire. That gives them 180 shots. That's almost 5.8 megatons pounding the isd. This is all before it even gets in range. Then lets say the missile compliment of the Infinity alone, which is 8,400 archer missiles, which on the low side give 1kiloton a pop. That's 8.4 megatons. Then you have 7,500 Rapier missiles and 10,000 Howler missiles. Lets say they each give 1kikoton as well. That's at total of 25.9 megatons from all its missiles. Then the Infinity has HAVOK nukes. Which is bound to have several dozen. Each at 30megatons. This would all be before the isd can even answer back. I highly highly doubt the ISD could take such a pounding. And even then, Infinity has pinpoint slipspace accuracy. They could jump and appear behind the isd and destroy it easily from behind. And not to mention Roland would make child's play with any cyber defenses the isd has and could take over many of its facilities turning them on the isd itself.
Gavin Pierce another factor is that 16,000 km range probably is the accurate range. In space with mostly nothing to hit the ai could calculate and time hits from even further.
Yep or if there in slipspace roland can just detect it and exit near the star deatroyer
@@holikwakkemoli7477 the range is given by how fast the target can detect and move away since the round will not lose energy or targeting in space
Gavin Pierce The range of Star Wars weapons is extremely far. Venators can shoot at objects that are 10 light minutes away.
@@rager5865 Okay, so that's a little farther than the Earth is to the sun. If the Venator class weapons systems can fire their projectiles at light speed, then literally, it cannot be dodged, because once you detect it, its there. But if it travels at the speeds seen in the movies, or heck at even, say 500 kilometers a second, at that range, any ship with lateral thrusters could move out of the way. Pretty sure that's more of an antiplanet weapon you're thinking of, given the desired effective range is probably longer than typical planetary defense systems. At the bare minimum, in Halo lore, at least some of the smaller ships have these lateral thrusters that can push them sideways to avoid covenant fire. The Pillar of Autumn had these on hardened points, tho none of the sources on the Infinity state if she had them. Star Wars weapon systems and shields are really hard to understand, because at the megaton rating of turbo lasers, the latent energy in each laser/plasma/whatever would be so intense, that it would be a literal shining mini star/nuke flying through space, baking everything in its path from shear radiation of the beam. Given it's small size, a single turbolaser hitting anything would be a gigantic explosion as the material is reduced to a plasma, then heated even more to nuclear breakdown, resulting in everyone getting cancer. I can appreciate the fanning over Star Wars weapons, but the numbers assigned to their respective power output, and what really happens when they hit stuff do not match in the slightest. I'm not being salty as a Halo fan, but as a geek and an engineer who wants realistic sci-fi weapons and explosions. Also, this is all in fun, so... Don't try to care to much about this maybe? I'm just bored. That's all.
Eckharts Ladder: Hundreds of Spartan IVs would not be able to defeat tens of thousands of stormtroopers.
Spartans: Hold my Gruntageddon.
Even grunts can ripp of clones with their barehand
Master Chief could probably take that. His speed and reaction is just off the charts.
At least the covenant don't miss every shot
meanwhile noble team singlehandedly destroying a 23 kilometer super carrier and "ending" a invasion, not to mention only 2 of the three spartans participate in the final part of the mission
If your 300 gigaton turbolaser power is right less than 100 shots would destroy earth so yeah. Star Wars ships are harder to destroy than a planet.
The Death Star must have been anti ship then
the same for hand held blasters that "have" the power to melt tanks but good people survive some unclean shots.
uuuhhh. lol no. Orbital Supermac's put out 64 GIGATONS per shot, and the combined orbital defence grid of earth couldn't scratch the Didact's ship. Meanwhile The infinity punched through the shields and the hull with 2 shots. Also why are you sighting the LEGENDS numbers for turbo lasers? And the Infinity carries 3 NOVA bombs at all times. And I strongly disagree that infinity dies if it pulls out a NOVA, considering at any point it can jump into slip space.
The math for that is way off that would be it firing at 4% the speed of light they fire at near 50% the speed of light so that would most likely put it in the low double digit teratons of TNT range. Now you can try to say I'm wrong on this but the Halo: Encyclopedia doesn't lie.
Yep drop a nova or 3 and then emergency slipspace jump as all the orbital bodies in the area are destroyed
Including Earth
Aiden Parkes well that's forerunner enhancements for ya
Leon Trotsky the ODP technically fires a 3000 Ferric Tungsten Rod at just under 12,000 kilometers a second aka 4% the speed of light. It generates 51.6 Gigatons of force, I believe you are thinking of the plasma Torpedos which are theorized to travel at half the speed of light.
I need to correct something you said in the video. "Star wars technology is more advanced than halo technology" I think it's fair to say most technology in star wars is certainly more advanced than the UNSC's but compare star wars technology to that of anything covenant. And its not even a debate with forerunner technology. Its just a bit misleading to say star wars technology is more advanced than halo technology.
Sorry, Just needed to point that out.
You clearly misread the comment. I was going by certain factions in halo. Covenant and Forerunner technology is clearly more advanced than anything in star wars. But for 26th century humans, we're still solid projectile based weaponry, nuclear energy powered ship etc. Humanity's laser weaponry is very unobtainable and plasma weaponry is something humanity has only begun to experiment with.
actually I would say that modern halo is way ahead of star wars cause it is still a fact that bullets are more effective against people than lasers, and wearing any armor at all that doesn't completely stop the power from the laser is useless, cause the stormtrooper armor is stupid as fuck, and if you were being shot by lasers you wouldn't wear armor at all, cause then the laser would seal the wound and you wouldn't bleed and it wouldn't spread the effect of the laser, so after multiple shots you could still fight.
I changed my comment so now the replies don't make sense.
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@Miguel Ramos I know, but in terms of flagship versus flagship, it’d be...
I may be missing something, but I've watched some of your other "Star Wars vs. (Whatever)" videos and, in the ones I've watched, you always say that Legends has insanely exaggerated numbers. Yet in this video you used those numbers when talking about the Star Destroyer's firepower? Was just wondering why. And yeah, I know this comment is like CRAZY late. Just found your channel, love the videos though.
You aren't crazy late, I am crazy late
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the frigate grade MAC gun is couculated at 68 megatons of energy. the super MAC is couculated at over one Teraton of energy. The infinity has four of the most resent super MACs, capable of reaching grades extremely higher than those of the H.C.W era. with those four cannons the infinity also has several dozen lower grade MAC platforms similar to the one operated on Reach. it also has shields capable of stopping most weapons. The infinity also has the benefit of speed and range. fighting targets several thousand Kilometres away. in star wars most engagements happen with in knife distance. up close broadsides which is just a slug fest.
the unsc fights using tactics, not brute force. The infinity can use its smaller ships and fighters to keep it busy while it snipes from afar.
in closing the infinity wins at range fights, the star destroyer wins at slug fests
That makes a lot more sense than many other pro-Infinity comments. I agree with you.
Star Wars energy yields have never been remotely close the damage seen, where as Halo and Star Trek are extremely consistent with the megaton yields extracted. As such any energy weapon yield from star wars should be downgraded a lot and halo left as is more or less.
only "legends" pseudo canon has shown the fabled "super megaton/gigaton" firepower of SDs
with a new disney canon ship the firepower should be pathetic
There is actually a reason why the weapons are so inconsistent with what Canon says. The turbo lasers are in effect Plasma weapons. Hence they shoot ionized plasma. The amount of energy needed to do that is a lot. But all that energy is lost within the first few moments the blast is out in the world. The reason is magnetism.
See during the H.C.W the Covenant used Plasma controlled by electromagnetic fields, meaning it could turn, track, and follow its target until the target was destroyed or the host ship was taken out. The energy held in those balls of plasma was contained by the electromagnetic field thus ensuring that the payload was as strong as it was when it left the tube.
In star wars they don't do that. If you want an appropriate comparison throw a rock as something close then follow that up with throwing a rock at something far away. The energy of the farther rock is lost while the closer rock can transfer more energy to whatever you are throwing it at. Same applies to turbo lasers.
I was aware some star wars weapons where plasma, but I incorrectly assumed the turbo laser weren't. That does explain some for the inflated yields, likewise, there could be massive amount of inefficiency in the system that there including, where as halo might be doing yield determination more along practical lines. Regardless very few practical yields in Star Wars are too threatening to Infinity, a few of them admittedly would be annoying. Given the Deflector shields in Star wars don't always seem to handle small fast moving stuff and UNSC combat strategy already having shield depletion and multiple simultaneous time impact being key and AI's I would not wan tot be the Empire. Though with Admiral Cole on board it would be slam dunk...
6000 Spartans foruner tech and human tech and 8 super macs vs
Some new star destroyer
Actually there isn't 6,000 spartans, but still, the hundred or so on the infinity is plenty to kill a star destroyer.
K M but those things don't have the range of mac's so they're irrelevant
@J1nx I thought the other 4 MACs were spread out around the ship.
Thunder Blade all MACS are located in the front, with stupid range.
You mean forerunner tech that can be easily reverse engineered by a species that did not have energy weapon and shield tech?
Infinity would win.
Even if you literally cut it in half it would still beat the star destroyer.
@ANONYMOUS well you mustn't have been on the internet for very long. there are many people dumber than me, maybe you should take a look in the mirror for an example.
Yikes
What about banished space gorillas vs the infinity?
@@201hastings The monke had plot armor, I’m not even sure if 343 has given out a proper satisfying answer as to why the Infinity just got reamed by 3 Banished battlecruisers iirc
Pains me to give it a dislike, but there is a heavy bias here. The Infinity would destroy that ship in minutes! Star Wars calculations are massively off. The Infinity could happily ram that ship in half and get home in time for dinner... or they could use their weapons and rip that ship into a billion pieces from a handful of shots. Not to mention that Star Wars ships are limited by range effectiveness. The Infinity could happily fire out of range and the projectiles would not lose any or much speed- and a simple calculation of speed/energy would find that the armour of the First Order ship could not hold up to a projectile going something like 4-5% the speed of light.
“Star Wars ships are limited by range effectiveness” Lmao What? Star Wars weapons can hit targets accurately from 10 light minutes away.
..... scource? Because everything I’ve seen, which is mostly in the movies, shows them shooting at each other from maybe at most a few thousand kilometers away
alex moller it’s true.. they can hit things from 10 light minutes away
@@theHoldac scources please
ugh, sources, for whatever reason I cant edit comment rn : ^)
Before this even starts, MAC Gun > than shields
1 spartan is worth ALL the Stormtrooper.
Not to mention that even the standard UNSC armor can take more fire than Storm Trooper plasteel plates, even IF the Storm Troopers could shoot straight, which we all know they can't.
Brian Tolliver Fuck spartan IVs
I know and they can't even aim they'r assault rifles :D
Brian Tolliver not nearly worth Kylo or Vader tho
obama binladen Vader or kylo have alot to do with this conversation of course
Been asking, but does anyone know the name of that song that starts playing at 4:23? Ends at 6:39.
Wait let me understand
Super Star Destroyer beats one Resurgent class Star Destroyer
CSO Supercarrier beats a Super Star Destroyer
UNSC Infinity beats a CSO Supercarrier
But the Infinity loses to a Resurgent class Star Destroyer? That math doesn't add up ...
Eckharts stuff from 5 years ago had terrible stats and so many lopsided videos
Your argument for the power levels... even adjusted, of the star destroyer are just about as justified as saying "Siatama Punches the star destroyer and it blows up" but at least... at least One Punch Man understands that it makes fun of the invincible superhero genre... star wars tries to take itself seriously... while having logs that can be easily stacked by little furry shih-tzu people who get thrown around effortlessly by humans, yet are heavy enough to smash something that can supposedly takes several hits from a 300 gigaton laser and be almost unphased... Several Star Destroyers can in fact glass planets in a matter hours... i don't see why they didn't do it to hoth... but eh... whatever... but 3 CSS class supercarriers, can do the same thing in the Halo Universe, in a matter of minutes, if left unchecked... but the UNSC infinity, although smaller, was made to directly deal with CSS class supercarriers...
Next up: Kinetic Protection in the star wars universe... Logs... Asteroids, and even a light weight fighter, that was extremely structurally compromised, was able to breach the bridge of a star destroyer that supposedly can take multiple 300 gigaton blasts, and storm trooper armor... has to be the only mass produced armor in history that actually fundimentally INCREASES the damage its wearer takes...
DragonstarFighter I thought the infinity was built as the UNSC flagship, at the time it was built I highly doubt that the New Covenant had any CSO supercarriers
Ashley Forerunner The Infinity was in its prototype phase during the battle for Earth, and was probably intended as a Hail Mary if the Covenant won.
American Freedom probably
American Freedom that was actually its purpose. If earth fell the infinity was supposed to be the humans last resort. It was made to be a fleet killer and because of its updated slipspace capabilities it could also make pinpoint jumps and ambush covant fleets. In otherwords it was the UNSC's "fuck you" ship.
Just pointing out, if A beats B at task 1, and B beats C at task 2, that has no bearing on whether A can beat C at task 1.
Also, in all your kinetic examples, the vehicles in question were unshielded. AT-ST's don't have shields, the Executor's shield generator had been destroyed so its shields would have been down, and the star destroyer in the asteroid field had had its shields worn down over time by numerous asteroid impacts.
Also also, just because Ewoks are small has no bearing on their ability to move large objects. Humans built the pyramids with just as much technology, it just took lots of us.
How I envisage this battle occurring:
The Resurgence class is sat in space , guarding the system in which it resides.
Then the bridge crew are informed of a massive spike in Cherenkov Radiation adjacent to the ship as a large blue tear appears very close by.
Then Infinity comes out and rams the ship into a million pieces.
Or just sits there and shoots some MACs right through the Star Destroyer and absolutely fucks the shit out of it.
@@joenuts8312 or gets obliterated because anyone who bothers to research stuff knows that star destroyers can dish out 200 gigatons of laser fire per shot
@@harryforrest6347 Alert, alert, we've found the outdated Legends information. It's honestly really stupid that people still cite that lazy piece of writing that was struck from canon when Disney took Star Wars.
@@joenuts8312 oh yeah I forgot that Disney has the wheel. Never mind everyone, star wars can just go from being the most kick ass universe to being the most under powered faction to ever exist... like ever. Infinity for the win boi. Hang on... didn't Disney release books with similar specifications? Or should we ignore that info because we don't want infinity to lose this fight?
@@harryforrest6347 I haven't heard of a book reinstating the 200 gigatons or something also overpowered, I'll have to keep an eye out for that.
The Infinity is using forerunner tech and punched through the Didacts flagship which is far more powerful than your average forerunner ship (and let me just remind you that the forerunners were eons more advanced than anything in the Star Wars universe), in ONE shot. I don't think the Resurgent would be able to survive here. It can also perform really accurate slip space jumps which it can use to travel behind the resurgent and blow it up from behind.
And regarding fighters, there's a reason why the Halo universe don't use much of them. The ships in the Halo universe have point defense weapons aimed by AIs making them extremely accurate at taking down fighters.
I mean, Infinity carries stealthed slipspace capable pelicans that could just jump _inside_ anything Star Wars can offer and drop off a nuke or two.
also not to mention Infinity's Series 8 Super Heavy MACs are more powerful than ODPs, and Infinity has 4 of them. Imagine Infinity lock on to the target and fire all at once. Resurgent will be in dust
I can tell that this video was not well researched and was very rushed leading to my disagreement of the video as a whole
Kelpo Gaming Yep, the mac guns are enough to destroy the vengeance.
It IS a Star Wars channel, and with such, OP is of course heavily biased towards his preferred series. Providing multiple incorrect statistical numbers, often times skewed and bent so much that the opposing team basically lost all of its worth in a fight even against an ant, while using the biggest, meanest numbers generated from any Star Wars source he could find, including the use of Legends (i.e. one Turbolaser cannon shot is worth 200 giga tons of TNT, which could reduce the American's landmass by a sizeable chunk with just a single shot). And that's what I kinda dislike about OP. Because this series actually has great production value, but he's just gonna let his Star Wars stuff wins anyway, so why bother? I mean, I'm a fan of the Star Wars franchise, but considering I've played Halo 4 enough to know that Forerunner technology (from the makers who created the fucking Halo rings) basically dwarfs almost every manmade tech, and it's the UNSC's state-of-the-art Capital Ship, you would think that it would do better against a Star Destroyer (granted it's the First Order one, which was bigger and closer to a Star Dreadnought), but nooooo.
I hate the infinity, but it has a mac more powerful than the platforms.
but why?
Almost every video you do is complete Star Wars bias. I love halo and Star Wars but the infinity would win this battle hands down.
Darth Lol He doesn't even let us choose, which he has done in other videos. So this video is clearly bias.
@@jonathancole3149 your just salty that the star wars universe has better technology
@@enclavegeneral2077 nah bro the infinity is a literal God ship the infinity has super far range and could pick off the destroyer with Macs and nukes before the destroyer could even get in range, also storm trooper armor is useless against kenetic weapons and odsts have shields and plasma resistant armor so if an odst boarding party got on a star destroyer it would be a massacre
@@enclavegeneral2077 'better technology'
Forerunners: *CACKLES*
Precursors: *Thanos snap*
@@enclavegeneral2077 I can tell by your choice of vocabulary that you’re an immature kid.
Actually it's said that the MAC's on the infinity are so fast that the sheilds on a covie carrier didn't have enough time to register the shot and instantly obliterated the ship. I'm sure it can do the same with the star destroyer
one shot of the MAC on ODP can pentrate 2 Covenant ships and cripple the third one, and the Series 8 Super Heavy MAC on Infinity is more powerful than the one on ODP, and Infinity has 4 of them. Not to mention the 10 Frigates that Infinity carry has MACs as well, so...
Sir the Infinity would win and I think enough people have explained how and why it would absolutely curb stomp a destroyer
Dear Eckharts
Typically, I like watching your videos. You do a lot of research for them and look at both sides, giving what you found and also what you think.
However,this particular video is HEAVILY bias, to a disgusting degree. First Order troopers being able to take Spartans?
It was at that moment I questioned how much research you did for the Halo universe in this particular video.
That is one of the many things I found wrong with this. Some others being the Infinity's arsenal and personal, and overall strength.
If you have any amount of respect for research, or any love for your videos and how accurate they can be, I would suggest researching more and redoing this one.
It's just so sad at how little of it I see out of the countless others that are well researched.
Fafnir its not that they’re more powerful its just the ships wouldn’t make it on board due to the anti ship missiles and laser cannons on the resurgent. So maybe a couple squadrons would make it on board. That vs 10000 stormtroopers
This is a star wars channel, I'm not surprised he didn't do much research for the infinity
dude, the resurgent would be dead long before the spartans could board.
@@Quark983Music your forget that blue team was able to board a covenant ship using single pilot transports and their jetpacks and once inside able to mow it's way through the ship to its command center. Black team was able to conduct operations behind enemy lines for months without resupply or orders. Those are just spartan IIs..spartan IIIs (which some still exist...June I'm looking at you) were practically suicide squads given impossible missions. Some even succeeded (noble team). Spartan IVs while not trained as a child to be a killer are hardened war veterans in spartan armour. Think Johnson just in spartan armour. Spartans are far more potent than any stormtrooper on board.
So if even a single team gets on board the odds are still in favor of the Spartans. With AI help they can locate the reactor, destroy or sabotage it, and if they get out alive then it's a bonus.
Gutenburg100, in all technicality, Johnson was a Spartan I, so Buck and his ODST squad is a better example for vets who became Spartan IVs
So Spartans wouldn't make a difference you know your right advanced soldiers that can survive a fall from atmosphere run fast and jump high and Oh yeah actually aim and hit their target! But yea super soldiers in titanium armor vs guys in plastic the obvious choice would be guys in plastic that's the logical choice.
The point was theres like 10,000 of them
Soldier_76 The Master Chief is a one man army.
Soldier_76 Spartans shit on elites. Elites>>>>Stormtroopers.
After Spartan II's where introduced to the battlefield many of them have kill roughly tens of thousands of covenant soldier, soldier that shoot plasma which is hot enough to melt metal upon contact and the elites are equipped with shields even Spartan IV's can kill that many
@@hotsauce8780 chief probably has a kill count in the millions
Year late I know but he lost me instantly when he said the Infinity has 4 MAC'S when you can clearly see a 5th muzzle at the fore with the rest of them.
Could you do a rematch? You've since proven that the Mac cannons on the infinity are more powerful than a super mac which changes the game massively
Endurance Class vs. Venator Class.
Lets try this again.
Thomas Parry yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Thomas Parry this wouldn't be too bad of a matchup, but I'd have to give it to the Endurance. While the ships are very similar, the technological edge that the Endurance has would probably pull out a win.
Granted, the Venator was designed to be a front line combat vessel, while the Endurance is meant to be screened and supported by other ships, I think a one on one fight between the two would go to the Endurance about 5-6 times out of 10.
It'd still be the closest matchup to date, though.
I agree that this is a very close match. The ships themselves are very similar. I think it essentially boils down to more fighters vs. better fighters. If the Venator and its fighters can destroy the B-Wings and K-Wings before the bombers can pull off a bombing run, I would tend to give it to the Venator as the Venator has more weapons overall, especially point defense weapons, as well as a much heavier main Turbolaser Battery. If not, the Venator will be obliterated in short order before it can do much in retaliation.
Thomas Parry I like how the endurance looks
We can immediately discredit turbolasers being anywhere near as powerful, or more powerful, than a nuclear weapon when we are presented with the fact that the Imperial Starfleet is incapable of destroying a planet. Rapid fire nuclear warheads on a massive scale would be more than capable of doing so.
lol dude remember halo is better cause the unsc has fleets of thousands of ships that each has a mac and the mac is way better than turbolasers.
Thyre Radim again like I said slab of uranium or tungsten will go through a shield and go right there to reactor possibly
I'm on your side as any person with sense and is nto a star wars fan boy but the star wars uni dose say regular proton torps had the power of a heroshima nuke which I think is bull crap so for the star wars universe not impossible but any normal universe with any sense at all would that make sense
+StarConquest
Had I been given the chance to assassinate Kylo Ren, I'd say the odds are against him sir.
Ohh please, as much as I love star wars, their ships and super weapons always have a fatal flaw design/weakness. Halo ships on the other hand..
@@Myuutsuu85 couldn't have put it better myself 😂😂
Halo ships on the other hand.. had as many flaws.
You underestimated Spartans by a lot just saying.
A single shot with the MAC through the main bridge or one of the main reactors, and Resurgent is screwed. As much as I love the StarWars universe, I know from experience that the StarWars franchise doesn't know science from it's own ass, where the Halo franchise has tried to stay at least semi-consistient with the laws of physics, at least as far as human and Covenant technology is concerned. No matter how bright your laser is, two sticks and a rock (which you must share with your whole platoon) at several times the speed of sound (much less at a fraction of C as Infinity is capable of outputting) hurts so much more. That's just physics.
I love it how fans are giving solid facts to this dude and how the Infinity would obviously win the battle without trying much. just give that little destroyer a ram and it'll split and die.
nick w It is amazing. For a less biased viewpoint I go to spacedock. He provides a more grounded anaylsis of all the ships in various universes. From mainstream (sw, st) to fringe stuff like Warhammer40k.
alright man thanks
The infinity rammed a ship a little under half its size in Spartan Ops and completely destroyed it (Like a train vs a truck).
"Infinity emerged from slipspace in the midst of a Covenant fleet, plowing through a RCS-class armored cruiser" - It then continued to do battle with the remainder of the fleet, and did not compromise shielding.
If a destroyer and Infinity were to collide, there would be no "winner" you'd just have two crippled ships and a destroyer with an increasing count of Spartans.
joytech22 agree mostly. Tho Infinity's shields are still active when it did that tho, well as far as Halo goes. That destoryer is like same size as RCS cruider.
Mac cannons. You're welcoming.
Correct me if im wrong, but i do recalling somehwhere that even if a MAC round doesnt penetrate the shield of a covenant ship, the shear force of the round hitting the shields would vapourise the ship inside it. Also, look at SW EP8 (yes i know) when the admiral jumps to hyperspace through that giant snoke ship thingy, tearing it in half (well... 2/3), would a MAC not cause a similar effect?
Been years since its been posted, but if mach cannon cant breach shields, then how do breaching pods breach shields?
Cairo Station is smaller, and has a smaller MAC. Infinity punched a hole in Mantle's approach, which could slap a Star Destroyer down easily. The ships in Star Wars cannot handle much in terms of direct kinetic weaponry. A Covenant Energy Projector is more powerful than Malevolence's Ion-Wave cannon. Star Wars ships are notoriously weak against electrical weapons, most notably the energy projector that was placed on one of the Milennium Falcon's Mandibles at the end of the conflict with the Reborn Emperor. Remember that simple concussion explosives could swiftly destroy even Superstar Destoyers, and a MAC is not the kind of kinetic weapon that their sheilds are desined to handle. The Eclipse-Class Star Dreadnought was the only type of ship in Star Wars capable of running down another ship like Infinity, which has Forerunner Shields. Powered by Forerunnner Infinity's Forerunner Engines, These shields could have withstood anything from Star Wars smaller than a Star Dreadnought long enough for its kinetic weapons to eliminate the TIE fighters and the Star Destroyer. Roland must also be taken into account, as Star Wars has no AI, and as such , Roland could disable the Star Wars ship long enough for Spartans to capture it. Star Wars is also known for having only rare mentions of any kind of personal Armor or Shielding even close to the level of the Spartans' Mark VI and slightly lesser Mark VII.
If the star wars universe was really as durable as it claims to be, given the yield of the weapons, the tree logs of Endor would have to weigh approximately 300,000,000,000,000 pounds a piece... because an AT-ST can take multiple multiple turbo laser hits, and remain fully functional
Now, those logs were suspended by vines, lets assume that those vines were as strong as the strongest flexible material known to man, carbon woven carbon nanotubes, given their thickness in the movie, you would need about 100,000,000 per log... give or take, and then there is the one restraining it... and the ax cut to release it... well... the ax used looks pretty primitive... and is likely not going to be of any of these super matierals that these little teddy bears cant work by hand... we could say that its an ax made of obsidian, making it potentially the sharpest blades that can be formed, but that would be a horrible ax material... and it would fail to cut the much higher specific tensile strength nano tubes...
Now if you are lost in the ludicrous of this... basically the star wars universe is utter bullshit, it has become the sci fi version of dragon ball...
I believe that it would be considered science fantasy as apposed to science fiction. I think is weird not many people have noted that star wars ships seem a lot less maneuverable in space. Most ships in star wars fly like they are a plane instead being in space.
Where did you get that "taking multiple turbolaser hits" thing from? That seems like a totally made-up bit of information.
lol he is actually kinda right ( I mean +DragonstarFighter) lol and star wars is bullshit it contradicts itself to much and cannon is fucked up so much.
Just because the original trilogy had horseshit science does not mean that the whole series is bullshit.
+Theta Niner everyone who made the series is stupid cause they allways show tie's being capable of in-atmospheric flight.
If you're the Infiniti where do you aim on the star destroyer? if I have my support ships I shoot the enemy ship straight up with one mac and see what happens, then I get all the support ships to target the exposed bridge and shield generators in a volley.
Then I'd fire the remaining 3 macs
Looking back on these videos really shows how far eck has come. This particular video was clearly and blatantly biased from the very start, and it was obvious early on that he didn't do near enough research prior to this video. If your someone with a deep love for both franchises and their lore this is easy to see. While the technology is certainly vastly different and star wars doesnt much care for the laws of physics, the UNSC infinity in a one on one with this ship is a no contest scenario. Nevermind the infinities size advantage or its thick armor, its capable of in system jumps that earlier imperial and as far as we've seen so far, first order ships just arent capable of. UNSC point defense systems are notoriously effective and tie fighters by and large despite their maneuverability wouldn't get to close to the infinity, those that did would lack the firepower to do much anyway. The infinities shields are forerunner based and stronger than any used on covenant ships, the infinity can straight up ram through a large covenant cruiser without depleting its shields. The series 8 macs the infinity uses are MORE powerful than those on ODP's (orbital defense platforms) which can put a single round straight through a shielded covenant capital ship. And the infinity has 4, not to mention several mini macs along its hull, this in addition to a massive number of archer missiles and shiva nukes which are standard on all unsc ships. The unsc infinity is larger, faster, better shielded, better armed and far outranges any star wars capital ship. This much from a lore perspective is entirely indisputable. The only way in which one could come to the conclusion reached In this video is if they iether went in completely biased, simply didnt do any meaningful research or both. It's worth noting however he never Revisited this video or acknowledged the inherent error behind it.
It is my opinion, that the "numbers" given in the Incredible Cross Section books for SW ships are so grossly INSANE that they should never be considered cannon.
Now, the Infinity has four series-8 SUPER-HEAVY MACs installed, and we know from Halo lore that a series 5 HEAVY MAC fires a 3000-ton slug at 4% the speed of light. Now, we don't have any hard numbers for the series 8, but its a SUPER version of the series 5, well i'm willing to bet it has at least the same energy potential as the series 5. The series 5 is capable of delivering 2.16e20 joules. Which is about 51.5 gigatons (tnt)
Lets speculate, that the Infinity - which is larger than the Series 5 MAC Orbital Defense Platform can fire a 4500 ton slug at 8% the speed of light (Thanks to Forerunner tech of all sorts that integrated into the Infinity.) That'll be ~ 1.2942e+21 joules; which is ~309 gigatons. (yea, I'm pulling some numbers out of my ass, but that seems reasonable for a Forerunner enhanced weapon to have.) Using Nukemap - Long Island is gone. The Panama Canal is now the Panama. The Asteroid Impact calculators can't even go to numbers high enough.
Plus the far superior FLT capabilities, and shield capabilities of the infinity - it RAMMED a covenant cruiser, easily. A star destroyer got fucked up by another star destroyer being pushed by a shitty little Corvette.
Infinity wins this handily against anything less than a Eclipse and its' super laser.
Star Wars fans use the "numbers" as their ace. They first started using it in the old Star War VS Star Trek argument, now they still hold onto it despite evidence clearly proving that it is false.
Raving Rando Pff keep saying that halo fanboys, your argument is not considered as "real" until you begin to undersrand the Star Wars Universe. Make up as many "information" as you can but after all you don't even know the kind of firepower that Star Wars ships have, on the other hand everyone knows the kind of firepower halo has, if you compare both sides there's no match for halo, regardless of what universe you like the most.
An Energy Projector would one shot any Star Wars ships, only a shield on par with that of the Death Star's would be enough to tank it.
I've studied both. HALO/Star Wars fan FTW.
Yisus Christ Halo Array, activate it, one shot the entire galaxy. The end, everyone is dead.
Mark VI Gaming It sounds good, but I couldn't say that's enough, I haven't read the comic where an alien kind from another galaxy invades the galaxy where Star Wars takes place, I may be able to bring another ship or explosion capable of destroying everything and everyone hehehe, greetings bro.
If Master Chief is on board of Infinity, he is gonna: *"Sir? Permission to return First Order their laser shot!* ;)
Btw thats my favorite Halo moment, when MC stabs his energy sword to *Kylo Rens* baby ass!
X CUBE Gaming Nah but the Unsc well ONI has figured out how to use Slipspace to teleport and gave the Spartans the tech as an optional attachment to their armor. Oh and Spartan 4s in armor = Spartan 2s and 3s in physical ability. So since MC is the average Spartan 2 minus his luck .. There are 500+ heavily armed and armor MC clones with armor attachments to include teleport on board the Infinity who would like to teleport on to the Star Destroyers bridge to say hi to the Stormtroopers flying it lol.
Oh and just so everyone knows Spartans are pilot's. So tie fighter Stormtroopers meet veteran Unsc pilots of the Spartan Branch who have a normal reaction time of 23 miliseconds. Which is much faster than you can blink.
Master chief vs Ben swolo
lantornz been swolo is a Photoshop meme of Kylo Ren shirtless. That said considering light sabers don't deflect bullets as efficiently as they do plasma weapons. And given Master Chiefs reflexes , reaction time and speed . He would probably win. Especially since Kylo Ren is dumb enough to go CQB against something like Chief . And got his ass kicked by a girl who isn't even a half as fast as chief. Yeah Master Chief wins that one.
Even Darth Vader would keep his distance from Master Chief.
Dr Fopolopus It wouldn't be the first time he got choked. And you have to remember he's not a normal human. But super human due to his augmentations . And he's extremely lucky. Not to mention Spartans do use active camo which makes them effectively invisible.
So seeing MC would be more difficult. And remember Jedi have been taken down by the bounty hunter whos name escapes me at the moment.
And he wasn't even a quarter the speed of a Spartan in or out of MJOLNIR armor.
MC dodged bullets at age 14. And according to lore has only gotten faster and stronger as time has gone on. Not to mention MC did have his biology evolved by the librarian. So fighting him wouldn't be easy and given his training to ignore pain from injuries that would kill a normal human instantly.
So the sith sees him a few feet away as that normally happens in Star Wars with the main characters when they face off.
So the Sith trys to force choke MC ... He feels it and still fires off his weapon with the aim of a expert marksmen hitting his target , kill the Sith before the Sith can choke him out.
See that's the problem when we put a super human against a Sith that tries to force choke it.
Besides if the Sith is focused on choking MC then he's not focused on the .57cal AP Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot round coming at his head from Linda -058's custom , hand tuned sniper rifle Nornfang .
Remember MC is back with his team in current cannon. And none of them would sit there and watch some weirdo in a black cloak strangle their "brother " to death.
Dr Fopolopus
that wouldn't work,the force cannot affect beings without midochlorians,so chief would beat the sh*t out of kylo ren.
Halo 3 ODST, man that series was so great. The first time you drop in the ODST pod was just really satisfying.
I know this is an older video but I have to say, according to the halo wiki, the Mac's on the unsc infinity are CR-03, Series 8 Mac's,which are the EXACT same macs used on the ODPs.
And it makes sense, seeing as the infinity is around 4 to 5 times bigger than an ODP.
It probably would not have made a difference but I had to put it out there.
Plus the infinity has a much MUCH longer engagement distance than the destroyer, so it could have got off a few shots before the battle actually started.
The ODP are series 5 super mac, the infinity have series 8 super heavy mac, they are better.
Also remember, even if the s8 mac fires the same projectile as the odp s5 mac, due to the tungsten turd having a longer distance to accelerate it will impact with MUCH more energy (velocity is squared in the kinetic energy equation).
Eclipse vs yusong vong Worldship
+Neel Rao interesting
EckhartsLadder I see you liked my idea
EckhartsLadder yes please make that video!
plz
How about Warhammer 40K Eldar Craftworld vs the Yusong Vong World ship. You can do two separate videos for them.
If the infinity was able to puncture a forerunner battle ships hull (aka a god tier ship) then I'm pretty sure it would turn that star destroyer into a traumatised rape victim going through daily physical therapy
Even though the Infinity managed to puncture the Mantle's Approache's hull, it only made the tiniest, most insignifcant pinprick, which repaired itself almost immediately. E for effort though.
Xyro
Still
Star destroyers aren't made by god like aliens and they can't instantly self repair
GaffeGus One of the four heavy SMACs on the Infinity can destroy a CAS assault carrier with one shot, but yet, they only did a tiny dent big enough for a broadsword fighter to fit through. Comes to show how incredibly tough Forerunner armor is.
What is the infinity launched its frigates as cannon fodder and rammed the other ship?
youre actually wrong eckheart. The Infinity DOES have super macs, and they are MORE powerful than the ODPs mk2(reach) and Mk 5(earth) Super macks. The ODPs are as long as a cruiser. where as the infinity is over 5x as long.
Infact if you listen to to campaign the ODP grid didnt do anything to the space metapod where the infinity was actually able to poke a small hole in it.
Idk if the Smacs would blap the SD but if it didnt i dont think it would win vs the starwars ship. would really depend if it goes Pop when the infity shoots it or not.
SD would get popped if it gets continually hit by Super MACs. But no doubt it'll maneuver to bear its Turbolaser Canons. Big advantage goes to the SD.
its like puting a rail gun againced a flint lock
Well the infinity does use big ass rail guns, so you're right.
How to tell if the Infinity's MACs are on par with the ODPs:
1. Consider UNSC ships are built entirely around the MAC, and it would be foolish to think of the Infinity as an exception
2. Compare the length of the Infinity and the Cairo. This should give you an idea of each cannon's size.
3. Make a guess based on the size, factoring in the small tech advantage the Infinity has. Bingo!
Also, doesn't the Infinity have two MACs?
Final note: Anything even comparable to 50,000 megatons is far above the "multi-megaton range"
Infinity has 4 SuperMACs, but only two can fire at a time.
one super mac created an entire bay on sanghelios (Halo: The Thursday War for source material) many kilometers wide
Punched a hole a kilometer wide into the Didact's 150km long ship
GunFuMaster i doubt it was that big. Pretty tight fit around a broadsword
+Daniel Bob
Agreed. This video seemed heavily biased for Star Wars.
Could please have the battlestar galactica vs the unsc infinity or another dreadnaught class cruiser from the UNSC?
If the shields in sw can't impede projectiles, then why the ground attack in return of the Jedi?
I respectfully disagree with your assessment of the ships and here's why:
If we look at the planetary bombardment capabilities of both ships I think the infinity has the Finalizer beat.
Looking at this scientifically the Super MAC platforms fire 3,000-ton slug at 4% the speed of light or 12,000 kilometers per second.
If we use E=1/2mv^2(Kinetic energy related to mass and velocity) we obtain an energy of 2.16e20 joules, which is slightly over 1000 times the yield of the Tsar Bomba. Also since this is a projectile the impact would be at ground level causing the damage to be similar to an asteroid hitting the planet. The impact would have devastating consequences causing worldwide nuclear fallout, massive tectonic changes, a massive ash cloud covering the planet, and the subsequent frozen age that would follow.
It would basically be like that Death Star test scene from Rogue One but maybe worse. Plus the Infinity's s MAC's have been established to be near or even greater the power of the Super MAC's.
(By the way with regards to the planetary MAC strikes in Halo Reach I really don't think they were going for strict realism there)
If you want a visual of the area that would be immediately vaporized check out this link:
scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/24553/in-the-halo-universe-what-would-be-the-effect-of-a-mac-round-hitting-a-planet
When describing the Resurgent's capabilities with regards to orbital bombardment you cited the Finalizer's ability to "destroy the surface of continents within hours". This pales in comparison the the MAC's potential.
This is a video from KOTOR showing orbital bombardment on a city, though I doubt it's very relevant given how the technology has advanced from then. Still it's a reference point.
czcams.com/video/FpN4wl74CuE/video.html
By the way in the end I don't totally disagree with your ruling or your assessment of the ships. You can't really call a victor between these ships because in the end we really don't know how many MAC rounds the Finalizer's shields can take and vice versa. There is no accurate way to gauge the relative strengths of the ship's shields. I would honestly call this a draw.
However if the Infinity has the Nova Bomb TOTAL HALO VICTORY
@Alphaplayer248 the infinity had a series 8 MAC which was stated to be better than the ODP's MAC which could reload in 5 seconds.
this is probably the most accurate version of the match up I've seen.
I really admire all of the work you put into this.
although I'd have to say that you are comparing the effectively "special attack' against the standard weapons the Resurgence uses in combat.
I think reach's MAC shot was accurate since I don't think it was at it's maximum potential.
Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser vs MC30c Frigate (second try)
+Neyth best of luck
thanks, btw your videos are great
Neyth make it happen
Doesnt the resurgent have a small corvette docked near the bow?
Can you do ancient humans from the halo universe and use one of theyre ships or do we not have enough info on such ships
Real quick though, you made the claim the star wars universe is stronger than the Halo universe. What about the Halo array?
thewalrus cat I like your train of thought but simply put the halo array as far as I know cannot be targeted at anything so would simply kill everything friendly or enemy. in case you say that you could move it into the middle of enemy territory then activate it my response is that from what I know the halo arrays are linked and if you activate one one activate all of them. also the halo array only kills organics of sufficient biomass so in the end it would be halo AIs vs any droid controlled ships the empire has. if I got anything here wrong feel free to correct me. :)
Empire has like 1 droid XD. Also the ark and on the rings themselves is a shield from the array, so just move all your team on them then activate.
3 months late but the Halo rings could actually also focus their fire on a part of the galaxy.
+Joshua Reed Only The Ark can activate all Halo rings. All the Infinity would have to do is bring the fight to a singular Halo and activate it. Now they could do one of two things: stay on the ring or slipspace out. Tactics over firepower (well kinda).
The star wars universe has no answer to the forerunner.
You also forgot that the MAC puts all that energy it has from the projectile behind the point of the tungsten slug unlike an asteroid which disperses its energy through the entire impact. The force would be multiplied by the fact that it's all affecting the single point of impact. Also, infinity's MACS are much more powerful that the supremac stations around earth as those could not make a dent in the didacts ship while the Infiniti punched a hole in its hull.
in a battle that big im betting one will use a EMP blast to disable the other ship before it attacks
O yea I saw someone say that the lasers travel instantly in Star Wars but are just like that for the audience but if that’s the case how do the tie fighters and falcon dodge when fired on?
Yeah, they travel as fast as we see them travel. That's also why Lightsabers are no defense against bullets.
Irl... the Infinity would shit on the star wars ship.
yes but the warhammer universe shit on both
Doesnt mean much, Warhammer is ludicrously overpowered, which is the point of the Warhammer universe
the blood god what's warhammer?
+samuel caldwel
"Sir, permission to leave the station?"
samuel caldwell no
The point defence vs boarding parties aspect is a different matter, and covered in other comments, but regarding Spartans vs Storm Trooper legions...
Just try to imagine Storm Troopers fighting even Elites, and then consider how Spartans are capable of making Elites look like low grade chumps. Before the Spartan project, Elites had been nightmarish warriors that cut down human soldiers with arrogant ease. Storm Troopers are basically those same regular human soldiers, on par with the basic marines. It's pretty hard to imagine them even slowing the Spartans down that much really.
Storm Troopers vs Brutes O uO that just be wrong on so many levels XD
AnimeAmvStar
That’s not a battle, that’s a massacre.
@@joshuahadams not a massacre its genocide at that point....and lots and lots of flesh being eaten....brutes gotta love them.
Is this Infinity with Materchief on board? If so the other ship is going down.
The infinity is always equips with upwards of 700 Spartans
@@zachb1706 Thanks for the info. I love all the details of crew compliments.
in these 3 years has your opinion changed on this, if so can you make another video about this?