My first time pressure washing a WHOLE roof ended in DISASTER!
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I'm a builder, I would do a full inspection of the loft first, the holes where not caused by you, it's just very old felt, on thing I would say, never spray up words towards the ridge tiles, always spray down towards the gutters, so angle your turbo thing in the direction of the gutters
Exactly
I've just watched this closely and hears my 2 cents, first of all. With that many holes in the roof lining ill bet you didnt cause not one of them ! The tiles on the roof take most of the force from the turbo nozzle and what water gets behind it shouldnt put holes in it! That roofs been patched up allot so there was a problem there to start with. The lady mentioned that water got in through the boiler exhaust pipe, now that one could have been caused by rinsing down the roof and some water going down the pipe, you can actually see the dirty pipe in the vid. Think you did a great job there for your first one, next time take lots of pictures and inspect everything.
He was presher washing up the way. Can’t do that
I would agree with this, I don't have the pressure wash experience, but that bungalow was built around the 1960s and the sarking felt is original. I am an experienced builder and have a similar bungalow with the same felt and lots of holes as the felt becomes brittle with age.
The chap carrying out this work is inexperienced.
If the homeowner took legal action against him - this video alone would lose the case for him.
Too many inexperienced clowns doing this unnecessary work on peoples homes...
I’m a plumber ( often in roof spaces) and there’s plenty of lofts with random tear holes just like those in the older felt a long time before roof washing was a thing , it had a lifespan of 20-30 years but extreme conditions can cut that time dramatically
I would agree with this, I don't have the pressure wash experience, but that bungalow was built around the 1960s and the sarking felt is original. I am an experienced builder and have a similar bungalow with the same felt and lots of holes as the felt becomes brittle with age. Besides that issue, nice work on the cleaning.
It is really helpful for people to see things that go wrong, not just perfect things, so thanks for that. I use a pressure washer at home but have to be so careful (and don't use it on the roof which is even steeper and higher than the average 2 or 3 story house) and even on a bit of fence it has made a hole. It is just too powerful for some jobs I'm afraid. Also a lot of houses have loose tiles so I wouldn't feel safe using a powerful pressure hose
Hi Jake, that damage was probably already there. Always a good idea to take a look round in the roof space before pressure wash. Lots of pros and cons to pressure washing roofs and water will always find a way to ruin your day lol. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
Only advice I will give you before you do any roof cleaning is go around the property take pictures of any broken tiles or damage already on the roof, go up into the loft before you start the job as well, and if you notice any damage or anything take photos before you start, if any customer complains u can prove the damage was already there before you started. Nice work on the roof clean👍 Hope you have plenty more in the future.
And make sure you have good third party liability insurance as well.
Thanks for sharing such an honest video of success and failure. IMO I can't see how you could have caused the visible damage inside the roof but fantastic job to remedy for the customer. Possible you caused some minor issues as you were learning but far more experience heads have commented on technique. All in that looked a very stressful experience, I feel your pain. (especially trying to handle +35ft of extended pole for any length of time)
Hi mate, from what I see you did fine. I would be surprised if you caused the damage to the roof. I've cleaned a lot and not had that before. Potentially, when resting the turbo nozzle on the tiles before pulling the trigger, you get a build-up of compressed pressure, as you know. And there is the slightest possibility that is what may have caused the damage. I would expect to see broken tiles or clear signs of damage from the outside though if that was the case. Anyway... get shot of the bin lid thing you were using looked like cheap tat lol buy mosmatic they are worth it 👌
Excellent video, 🙏 thanks for exposing some of the problems even though I don't think they were caused by your work. That is precisely why I haven't done anything of this sort to my roof yet, I was worried about leaks especially mine being so old.
Love this video I've been doing this for 7 years I would like to give you advise use a ladder standoff and put it on the tile it give you stability stop your ladder wobbling and never put your ladder on the gutters you could pop a joint out of place but love the vid
Sprayed wet & forget on my roof,slowly over several months the roof become clean like a new roof.
That was 4 plus years ago and roof still looks new no moss and no need to jet wash.
Also works fine on the patio.
It's just sodium hyperchloride
@@joeboy4242 don’t care what it is 4 plus years later still clean.
How did you spray it, diluted through a pressure washer? Any info would be interesting cheers
@@geedub2019 yes diluted as per instructions with a garden sprayer.
There are some small businesses round our way that have set up offering a similar service.
Nice job! I started in on driveways I have too much anxiety to do houses in case I have some disasters lol, maybe one day.
Nice job Jake, don't beat yourself up about the felt it was already knackered but defo look out for that next time. I clean a lot of roofs with skyscraper and biocide. I leave jet washing roofs to the guys who have the time to clear up the awful mess & don't mind risking their liability insurance.
Definitely needs re felting. You didn’t cause any of those holes. Unfortunately water probably did get up under the tiles and in through those holes, but you did a cracking job on the food for your first go! 👊🏼
All a learning curv mate! Would love to know what the issue may be. Fair play for recording it all some people would just blag everything was fine.
You couldn’t have made them holes Jake you just blasted a tile surface. That old tar felt is very brittle but you couldn’t have done it. When roofers put battens on they can often rip the felt with their boots. Felt is just a back up not the waterproof surface. Like you said check the felt first take photos it will cover you.
Great job matey! That clearly wasn’t your fault at all. As you said in the video a scaffold every time will help. Don’t get to down with the armchair critics in the comments. These guys forget they started somewhere as well when cleaning roofs. Lovely job in the end mate and it’s a great service to offer to build the business. When I do roofs I pay my labourer more for that roof clean than I would on a general gutter or driveway day. Keep going mate 👍🏻🫡
I would say those holes in the felt were pre existing as its old and will perish over time but because of the extreme pressure the water has penetrated through the tiles upwards and leaked straight into the loft through any holes in the felt
This is why I don’t think it’s a good idea to clean a roof in this way , roof tiles like this aren’t meant to withstand pressures like this
I’ll bet this happens all too often
Nice to see you went back and addressed the issue 👍
Jake don’t let it put you off done a good job there mate great video too! mistakes is how you learn. Doubtful you made them holes inspect next time 👌
Never had that happen, probably age of the roof. ( Did you lower the pressure on the p washer?) but most likely week or already failed liner. Maybe be worth inspecting the roof liner on qoute if possible could be a good idea. But I watch how you washed the roof and it seemed good, I use a twin turbo nozzle but also use a turbo devil disc cleaner which is awesome.
"Just going to patch these holes like they've done previously." There's the problem, "previously" but good on you for taking care of someone else's problem.
What i can definitely see is that you are an honest man. Im no pressure washer cleaner im a plasterer with experience in a lot of things them holes were fro rotten felt old past its life time you done well top job ii would definitely recommend you if you lived in South Wales
morning.... as a fully quailed roofer of 35odd years I would say that non of the holes in the roof were caused by yourself. the undefelt is know as 1f a hessian and bitumen build up that is very very old and falls apart when people go into the loft and rub/nudge against it.
modern day felt is like paper and heavily breathable to allow heat to dissipate correctly from the property.
please forgive me for putting my 50ps with in...... but dont shoot water near any roof sill vents ,headworks,chimneys especially as they are all acting like a candles wick into the property and allowing the possibility of wart ingress..
keep on doing what ya doing as every day is a school day.....
hope thus helps and remember.......
be kind to yourself
@edenandmeadow
And there speaks the voice of experience. Well said and some excellent advice given.
B.S 747 PART 1F sarking felt it was.......I remember it well.
I suspect he will carry out pre-inspections to the roof spaces on the next job......
As people have mentioned do a pre-loft inspection with video and photo evidence of any current damage (actually show them this footage as they may be completely unaware) Also get them to sign something that says they’ve seen the pre inspection damage. (Maybe get a marker pen or Small piece of tape to mark the original damage spots so it can be much easier to determine after the work is complete if any damage that doesn’t have a mark on would’ve been caused by you)
Hi there enjoyed your video. The reason the loft had water ingress is because when pressure washing a roof you need to wash from ridge down making sure not to let the water spray up under the tiles at all. A roof should be waterproof even if there was no felt as normal rainfall will just cascade down the roof providing roof has been tiled correctly, try to avoid trays flashings etc. I was a roofer for many years so that would be my two pennith.
Ive blown tiles off a grade 1 listed building . Its always best to aim downwards .
From the tip of the roof aiming down .
Cat ladder is the safest method without braking further tiles in the job .
Absolute perler mate 👌🏼
We tend to use a cat ladder and a tower for safety purposes and always jetwash down start from top and jet against the tile weather strip not into some roof tiles are way too worn for jet washing especially concrete and we tend to spray roof with polyurethane after treatment a good tiled roof will stop 99.9 % of water a lot of old roofs didn’t have felt just cement bodging so modern membranes are mostly for moisture from property but can stop leaking from cracked tiles but not for a long time
Also bud, theres no wah you caused them holes in the felt, but you can use a product called flexacryl to stick the patch to the felt, its an instant repair compound, we use it all the time for sealing holes in guttering and flat roofs, it sticks to anything and has fiberglass grains in it.
You done really good never give up on CZcams there Is allways one that think he knows everything keep it up 😊
I think them holes were already there in the first place. Tape wise bitumen tape would stick better i think, its like glue the stickyness of it. You have done a good job on that roof 👍 i think if you take anymore roof jobs on def take a look inside the loft before and take photos and the show the owners.
If you want a foot pedal I have left one on a job in Redditch I did before Christmas you can have it if it's still there customer said he put it to one side
The WetJet 14" Flat Surface Cleaner is also available on the lawn and power website.
It is only rated up to 11 lpm. The nozzle orifices are probably too small for your machine. Luckily they are the standard 1/4” size so you could replace them to get the correct flow for your machine.
I was actually looking at this FSC to pair with the lawn and power 3100 pressure washer which is 11pm.
How is that loft ventilated? That roofing felt looks like the non-permeable stuff that used to be used. At my place, it has lots of holes that I assume were punched by the roofers when the installed it, as ventilation. I saw some condensation on the material so I followed advice and cut a hand-size flap near the top for more ventilation.
Are you not allowed to use chlorine in that side of the world? In the US I own a roof cleaning company. That would have been done in 2-3 hours with minimal effort due to the use of chemical. Still nice work!
Do you put the chemical on first and let it sit or mix into the pressure washer?
Hi bud to stop the moss running to the drains disconnect a section of gutter at each side and set you're sheeting under that this also helps with the weight of the moss in the gutter, we never high pressure wash them always low pressure as low as our machine will go. People say it takes this and that of the roof if you are careful it will only lift the top layer of moss you will work out distance. It will take 50 60 years of a roof is the things I hear none of us will be here to see it and its rubbish if done properly
The moss was the only water proofer that old roof had. Looks like that would be the last of the roof washing there's enough siding and driveways to wash. And with your set up you could do drains as well. Kits for drains are easy to come by and drains are a quick and easy job that makes damn good money.
Thanks for the video, my old roof felt perished and looked very similar. I doubt it was your doing but offering to have a look in the roof or asking the condition seems prudent, particularly if the property is 50’s - 80s and still on the original roof. I was up in the roof of a property the in-laws are buying and the felt membrane is also shot to shit. Great to see your patch work, it looks like a great temporary fix that I might need borrow and perform in due course!
Instead of using pressure why not use a 6% sh mix? Here in the us we use sh on tile roofs as well and if it has bad growth like your moss we broom it.
Jake fairplay to you fella. After this house, did you do another house? Just bought my gutter sucker. I've been thinking of doing roofs. Thank you for your video. Respect ❤
Tip , get a couple of thick cleaning brushes from the shop and stick them in the gutters. Stops the need for you to clean the gutters out afterwards and keep it out the drain
I wouldn't have never got in to this business if I had to clean like that 😅 I hope you all are paid amazing
Love the video could you tell me what pressure washer you use and what psi and flow rate lpm looking at starting myself and would you recommend a seller much thanks
That is a relevent question indeed
It sounds backwards but I believe you're supposed to start at the bottom and work your way up, and then give it a rinse afterwards, otherwise you can end up with a huge pile of heavy wet moss as you get near the end that can cause damage, flooding or be harder to move.
Just got further in the video and noticed that you are doing that later
What you say is right but it's not the point here. Some are trying to know if the pressure equipment can cause infiltration through the tiles ... and if yes, could we avoid it (by directing the nozzle to better angle ..?.. or by using a lower pression..?).
I well agree with @neverlandio: The holes are one thing and the infiltration is another one. To me Jake is not responsible for the holes (obviously) so he should not fix them, but he seems to be responsible as for the infiltration. So the question remains: Why some will use exactly the same equipment and seem to provoc no infiltration, when Jake apparently did ?.. The answer could be that the water did not get in through the tiles (otherwise there’d be water here and there in the Atic and espacially around the holes which does not seem to be the case), but somehow it did get through the boiler pipe (as neverlandio points it).
I have done a few roof cleans, but always recommended to scrape Mose off and then biocide after. Pressure washing looks great but seriously it’s a risk. The biocide should work well and can slowly change the colour after its rains.
What brand of biocide do you prefer. What do you mean by change color? Is it slowly cleaning or actually changing color?
Hey mate, for future reference,
You were kind of advised wrong by the roofer, you should really cut a slice into the existing felt going across and ideally pass the dpc from inside the roof at the top and outside at the bottom, as if the rain did go through the tile, water would still gather on your dpc the way you have laid it.
Good luck in the future mate
What lance are you using to clean this roof
You can hardly be blamed for the integrity of the roof, it looks quite old and has had quite a few seasons building up all that moss! My suggestion would be to cross that path of roof integrity with the customer first and ensure you have a disclaimer in place for any water ingress that may occur! If you have a contract signed before work begins and one that has you covered legally for such things! Good luck for your new business! That extending jet wash is a great tool when you have a good roof! Before you showed us that, I wondered how you were going to jet wash the roof and I thought about ladders all over the roof, which would be cumbersome! Great tool when used on a solid roof! I hope your customer paid for the repairs? Next up, the neighbour?
I think you should start from the top and work your way down..... And also wet the WHOLE roof first... just to get it wet before you start the actual cleaning, tthat would probably make the moss come off a little easier AND your not pushing water UP the tile. Water naturally runs Down over the next tile....good luck on the next one ....and this one ended up coming out damn nice. Lessons learned.
Fit a pressure gauge and have the pressure around 90 bar to start with , that way you'll always be around the right pressure you'll need mate, also recommend and turbo devil so much easier
Sounds high that's like 1400psi ?
@davegill7614 not really , you running about 1/3 rd pressure you have to have that balance on the pole
Hi. can you help me please. Could you tell me what sizes of nozzles you use in the Surface cleaner? We have regulated the flow and pressure of our machine. but it throws too much water. We are using 25020... thanks. Greeting from Spain.
soft wash is what needed to be done..never a good idea to apply pressure on a roof..nor on sidings of a property like vinyl or stucco..over all the roof looks great just gotta be careful with that pressure..wish you guys much success and keep rocking
you probably should have the nozzle pointing down and start at the top and move down quickly.
I feel if you were located at the peak of the roof and shooting the pressure water in a downward position. Which doesn't force water up under the shingle.
We do not now offer any pressure washing on roofs, only traditional scrape & Bio. We had an absolute disaster on one luckily some of my pals are roofers and we got it fixed for next to nothing, could have gone into the thousands tho. Really you need a steam set up or hot water so u can get the pressure right down, should be around 100bar.
Fair play tho looked graft & yeah u need a tower to make things easier and safer 👍
Why do all you guys in this part of the country pressure wash the roofs instead of use soft wash technique like we do here in the states? I soft wash all sorts of roofs. Hell a lot less work and a lot safer for all materials. It kills all that stuff .
@@BRExteriorPro problem we have here in the UK is that it's a lot damper so the moss can be super thick. There's now also apparently laws which prevent hypo being used on live moss, the one we are working at the moment is so thick moss it's like a carpet
@@JPHeath yeah that's crazy. It was definitely an interesting video but I've always wondered that like do these guys not know soft washing? 😆. Maybe get a long pole with super strong brush or scraper on it and pull the moss down. Then shoot some sodium hypochlorite on it maybe?
@@JPHeath That was some thick ass moss though
@@BRExteriorPro yeah that's exactly the technique I use with my company, apart from we use Biocide for softwashing instead of hypo. We do sometimes use hypo it depends how bad the tiles are
All I can add is that if you’re going to continue doing roofs, definitely inspect them from the loft. We’re in a 30’s semi and have no felt or membrane whatsoever. If we had it pressure washed it’d definitely leak.
Boom! Just what i needed 😊
you need to invest in a rotary sprayer like you had, but a more expensive one on wheels. All this don’t pressure wash a roof is nonsense. The rotary sprayer I have described can’t jet under the tiles which is the concern of many. Also you can pretreat the roof with a chemical wash then return a few days later & removal is easier. 😊
Whoever said use gaffer/duck tape to seal that up is possibly not a roofer? I think some flashing tape maybe better for that task.
The holes were probably already there from birds, we have similar in our roof, they poke the hell out the liner when they nest in soffits or roof space and then desperate to get out. Always check the internal roof space before starting the work to make sure of this beforehand.
Its the moss over years it seals in between cracks once its removed water seeps in
we know the felt is old but question is "how and why did the water get into he building in several places"? understand if was in just one place where a fault or bodge work around pipes ect?
Cleanest looking loft space I have ever seen, I'd ALWAYS check them before doing any more roof cleans.
Good job, but invest in the moss matic and get ani vibration gloves 👍🏻
Bungalows suffer condensation and damp and sometimes people put holes in the felt for ventilation ….. I’ve seen it before
This obsession some people have with cleaning their roof - is completely daft.
I hope you have good liability insurance.
So you are against a nice looking home ? Plus all the Algae and Moss damage all roofing systems.
@@tittyrino It is a totally unnecessary expense.
And do explain how moss and algae will damage all roofing systems.?
The roof on my house is approaching 80 years old and has never been cleaned - and it is perfectly watertight. I clean the gutters once a year - and the amount of moss in the guttering is at most minimal. So no damage here.
Pressure washing my roof would cause much more damage....
I agree. All that needed doing was cleaning the gutters of moss etc and that small area of roof where moss was growing. And that could be done with gentle scraping.
@@scienceexperimentsforhomee261 When you know - you know.
Roof cleaning is not necessary. And all this nonsense shown in this video is just a glorified fashion trend by customers that have more money, than they have common sense. All the lads are doing is jumping on the bandwagon and trying to get rich quick on it.
Pretending they are some sort of tradie with skills. what a lot of hot air and baloney.
What confused me there is that first felt hole you looked at, the fabric on the floor is carbon fibre. That's not the same stuff the roof felt is made of :/ You did a good job. I'm inclined to say that at least some of those tears if not all of them were already there. As you said, it's already been repaired in places. That is very old roof felt. It degrades over time any way. Chin up mate, you did well.
100 bar maximum pressure, buy a decent turbo nozzle from ac pressure washers and don’t work up the roof that’s how the water can get in.
Also a lot of leaking can come from the ridge tiles
Nice clean work on the roof, just a shame it caused the felt issues.
Me & my hubby live in one & ours was built in the 1970s identical roofing & he gets up with ladder's walks the roof to the top with the hose pipe & works from middle of roofing & just hoses it off & it still lightens the colour of tiles & other times before Moss builds up to quickly, he waits till the sun as burnt it dry & brushes it off in sections & lines the base of the property like you both did.
Shame it went as it did as your both clean worker's & take everything around you into consideration, as there's some right cowboys out there who couldn't care less.
Would of been there before always pre check inside before a clean. Roof needs to be stripped right back. At least you got clean tiles to go back on.
You may get calls for wall damage later as well...thas a lot of water that went through
Take photos of the roof when you price it and tell the customer you want a Quick Look in the loft if you see day light coming through
Been in the business myself for 25 years, although in Belgium. That lining is detoriated from age. You simply cannot blast that with your nozzle, that is impossible. If it was, the the roof lining was already prone to outer damage because of gaps and broken tiles. Next time, do a pre-work inspection, also on the inside, to prevent things like this happening. And if something occurs, have it repaired by a roof-specialist, don't go DIYing with tape and plastic sheets....
Think you did great mate
It's strange that the "nice lady" didn't check the loft before you did the job. You have learned a valuable lesson, record evidence before it is needed. Job well done.
Did you stop in one place to long?
Do you no what a would of done picked all the Moss up around there just to be a good tradesman but all in all good job a part from one slip up we all have to start somewhere 😊
Good video think you was unlucky with that felt it was already battered lol you did a good job good to know to go inside and check if i ever make that step of taking a roof on
How much did you charge for this cleaning
You need some wheels on the end of the pole so it could be pushed up and down instead of being held up, dragons den moment 👍
Mate you haven’t done nothing wrong.. it’s old felt tel the customer she needs to have breathable membrane installed that felt as been up there since 70s 👍
I would not say that this job was a failure. Life is an experience. You have to have experiences of different things to gain knowledge. Overall you did a good job. Could you have done better? Well of course you could....we "all" could do better and i would hope that we all strive to do so. Some valuable lessons learnt here. Not just for you but all who watch the video. I learned from it.
If i may give a bit of advise? From my early days and repeatedly drummed into me in the Army......PPPPPPP Learn the Ps Prior Planning Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
Practical use of the Ps... Prior - Before you took the job was the time to have learnt the job! Plenty of good CZcams videos you should have watch
Planning- Tower, petrol (logistics over tactics- know what you need to complete the task. Fuel consumption x hours etc)
Preparation- Learn job, consider logistics needed, GET everything needed (check, check and check again)
Prevention- comes from Prior Planning. And you avoid the Piss poor performance.
Good video enjoyed watching it. Refreshing to see a video thaf was not just about showing how "good" the person posting was.
How did you get the moss off the front edges of the tiles, ive done 100s of roofs never had an issue however i always do a survey and if it shouldn'tbe done i tell them sorry its not for you. , but ye you should of looked in the loft before starting, you could of caused a big issue, and it would of been your fault for not looking and having the knowledge to recommend weather or not a roof is in the right condition to clean to start with, maybe go learn a bit about roofing and how a roof is built before offering something that COULD potentially cause £1000s in damage, its someones home at the end of the day. Not a jab, just free advice,😊
Bituminous felt usually very brittle, so if you jeted up the tiles doing the front edge you could of caused it. Get a rope access course done, and do it right .. good luck
That’s great advice. Let’s go and do a roofing course with absolutely no intention of ever doing any roofing. All because a customer got some water in her loft.😂. The issue was clearly there before he started. fair enough go and check it but to spend a fortune learning roofing is absolutely bonkers. That’s what insurance is for pal. It’s a safety net. Just like the “ hundreds of roofs you’ve cleaned”. You had to do your first one just like everyone else
Nightmare, you go to do a job with all your best equipment and something goes wrong , I do think the age of the roof has to be taken into consideration before a clean is carried out as tiles can become weak and degraded over many years of been exposed to all sorts of weather eg hairline cracks , the question is how do you spot signs of damage on a roof covered in moss ?
How much for that roof clean?
I think she took advantage of you to repair and patch those holes her roof was probably damaged before since you didn’t do a pre inspection
Did you treat the roof after ?
He clearly did
Use some CT1 on the patches
Did you pretreat it with SH
I would say the felt was already like that no way you could have done that as for the fsc I would think wrong jets and you may have to turn the pressure back up as you are running 2 nozzles rather than the 1
There’s no way you busted that roof felt, sure it was your water getting in, but that old slaters felt had holes in it long before you started cleaning, and yes I have had plenty of experience in the roofing trade.
You can fit scaffolding in a Sprinter van.
You can’t be sure the turbo nozzle is what caused those holes… they could have been there before you started and the excess water gave them away… do an inspection with pictures and you shouldn’t have any issues.
Old damage that is! Not caused by you 👍.. it becomes dry and brittle and is easily punched when shifting things around in the loft
Maybe u shud get a cheap walk talkie system saves you shouting information u can just use your radio it might help especially when u want the pressure raised or lowered thought it might help good luck
No chance in a million years you caused that damage mate.Dont let it hold you back !
Oh dear, never work at height.This is a full scaffold job.crack on bro 😎
Here's a thought......
Who the hell wants their roof cleaned??? Jeezuz, the worlds gone absolutely mad!!!!
I've always been told that you leave that well alone. The roof covering will have its own waterproofing elements if installed correctly and blasting it with a jet wash is only going to undermine that nevermind any natural weather resistance that's built up over time.
Concrete tile break ..because of the mos grow..the tiles get more porus ..the best is when installed new to impregnate them
Buy a pressure gauge and run the machine between 100 and 130 bar, use a flat surface cleaner.